Why are you not learning BJJ?

fights in pubs I guess
but they only consist of throwing haymakers until the bouncers break them up (roughly about 10 seconds)

Actually
The Bersaglieri were pretty elite and impressed Rommel
It's just that the whole command was CHOKE FULL of absolute retards who weren't able to target their wives' cunts with their cock, let alone command men.
They were all sub iq 60, using tactics from the Bronze Age, who only got promoted because they went full muh fascism

I'd rather not play touch-butt with some smelly wnb-jits artists from Yea Forums or /fit/.

If you go to bad night clubs, I guess.
If you live a wholesome life, you are unlikely to be in a street fight.

lmao in street fighting there arent rules so why not just learn karate instead

love this
youtube.com/watch?v=dbpJ1pr_wG8

>Not training Krav Maga
>ISHYGDDT

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I think if you don't want to learn BJJ you should learn boxing instead or wrestling/judo. I say this after having watched thousands of street fight videos

Wrestling on concrete kills people. It's even uglier than KOs when people get slammed on concrete

youtube.com/watch?v=PVoi0D388S8

>boxing
>chad
Lmao, Royce and his BJJ totally destroyed your sorry ass sport in UFC1 against Art Jimmerson
Boxers cant fight once they are on the ground

boxing is more aesthetic and also funner.

but ive been doing jiu jitsu for the alst 3 weeks, and you basically "spar" everyday which is awesome

But in the streets you're going to fight literal cans that can't even throw a punch. Boxing can work as well in street fights if you don't mind getting CTE in training
youtube.com/watch?v=HEjflWAdbiM

more takedowns on concrete:
youtube.com/watch?v=kCtnQpXUcZs
youtube.com/watch?v=7oQ1I0ujC6M

Wrestling, boxing, bjj, Muay thai work in the streets

>rolling around on the street

You don’t want to be rolling around on the floor in an actual fight. Boxing is best for the street, boxing+judo is ideal.

>martial art for the street.
I can just get the best mace from my purse and you incels will be on the street sobbing while I walk away before you start your capoeira dance

This guy disarmed someone using BJJ (lot of luck imo)
youtube.com/watch?v=WPi9agFQbvE

>you don't want to
Thing is, sometimes you end up there and if you're fighting someone bigger than you then you're fucked if you don't know how to get out

Small guy bjj vs big guy
youtube.com/watch?v=vtg7ff7v-Oo

how popular is bjj in brazil? decently common or is it totally a niche

Admit to the fact that BJJ is the superior martial art and destorys every other fighting art

I'd say it's popular if we're talking about people practicing an art. It's not popular when it comes to the sport of bjj. The average bloke will react with "lol it's two men hugging. so gay" if they see it. I think it's most practiced in Rio but nationwide I think Judo is more practiced than bjj which isn't to mean that people don't practice bjj outside of there

Do you guys never go out?
You could get in a fight over parking or many other things. People are idiots and you can't allow someone to push you around

>The average bloke will react with "lol it's two men hugging. so gay" if they see it.
Are they wrong though?

>2019
>practicing the manlet approved martial art

I would literally shoot any of you faggots before you got a chance to hump me on the floor. Complete joke of a “martial art”

>b.....but muh gunzzzzz
kys, looks like you are enjoying those school shootings and gang driveby shootouts
Your "gun-fu" wont stop you from Tyrone shooting you from the back at a distance with a silenced weapon (unless of course you are some mutant with eyes on your back)
Muh gunz will also not save you if some bellend mugs you in the airport, nightclub, or gov building
stay delusional Yank

Because I train silat instead.

I am nigga I got a blue belt yesterday

Boxing+wrestling is all you need really. Boxing+wrestling+jits is probably the ultimate Chad kino fight style.

Traditional martial arts are gay as fuck.

Post webm of Burns getting heem'd by Hooker

What's blue belt in nigga, swipe that ebt and steal a 40 without being detected?

BJJ works until you get kicked in the head by the guys friends while you're in mount.

you are such a massive faggot it never ceases to amaze me. it's like you're reddit incarnate

You can always train boxing and BJJ but it's not a good idea to fight multiple attackers alone. You can be punching a guy and then someone fucks you up from behind

exactly. But people who do just BJJ think its some kind of secret super martial art.

I train boxing and BJJ, shit is cash. BJJ is fun because you can go hard as fuck in training and not get injured as long as you and your training partners aren't retarded.

Same, I train kickBoxing once a week and BJJ 4 times a week.

How friendly is it for beginners? Looking to get into either BJJ or boxing.

Leave your ego at the door, look at MMA gyms and look at the reviews. Any place that has flaring egos = don't go you'll deal with assholes and you will get injured.
Very friendly sport desu

Why not both? Boxing is good for beginners, but honestly BJJ is a bit of a grind at first. Unless you are built like Brock Lesnar, you're going to get mauled for months before you get good.

But you really should train a striking martial art and a grappling martial art, to be a complete martial artist.

I'll take a look then. Thank you for the advice!

I don't have a lot of time due to work unfortunately and I guess I might want to put more time into one thing consistently than try to juggle two different things. Would you recommend boxing over BJJ? Thank you for your advice as well!

If time is an issue, I'd probably recommend boxing. BJJ takes more of a time commitment to develop skill, I'd say.

Durinho!

BJJ is being exposed in modern UFC.

Sorry but not really.
People still win by submission constantly.
I'm not saying BJJ owns every submission or created it but nevertheless those submissions are what you can learn when training jiu jitsu.
Knowing submissions, submission defense, transitions, and sweeps are all very helpful skills for a fight.

As someone who recently started training yeah I've noticed the bjj guys are real high on themselves.
The thing is though is at a certain skill level, martial arts are like superpowers (compared to those who dont train, which is a majority of the world)

An average sized golden glove champ will knock out anyone his size or slightly bigger that doesnt train.

Same for a black belt in BJJ. It's not magic but you will absolutely man handle anyone not trained that's around your size.

How? even wrestlers train BJJ. BJJ is like a basic requirement. What's getting exposed is "BJJ Specialists" but this is since the 2000s when people who rely on one art too much get exposed

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Also I shouldn't say "BJJ". What I should say is: Ground fighting is a basic requirement. It can be catch wrestling, bjj or whatever
But most guys in MMA train BJJ

because its fucking useless in the street against more than 1 guy.

No, it's not. There were 2 submissions, 2 KOs, and 3 decisions on tonight's main card. BJJ is far from "exposed", it's mandatory for everyone to train if they want to be a complete fighter.

I'm alright at boxing, but in BJJ I'm one of the best guys in my gym. And I'm honestly at the point now where most people can't do anything to me at all in grappling. It's weird because I've never been good at anything before.

It does feel like having a strange and very limited superpower.

I don't get into fist fights over parking, no. If I did I would sooner or later end up with a record which would make any sort of career more or less impossible.

>in the street
>where going to the ground just gets you kicked by a bunch of low-lives

Just knock him out and run.

BJJ is a meme sport created by people that got their asses handed to them by practitioner of the true JJ.

Really?
This guy who competed in kosen judo rules got completed dominated on the ground by rickson and then after he saw royler fighting someone he learned BJJ and now has a gym in japan

youtube.com/watch?v=GukHAMMDE_U

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Wrestling is superior. During the original challenges the patriarch of BJJ himself lost to a high school wrestler. Gracie could not deal with Hughes is a ground game. BJJ is a solid base, but it is inferior to wrestling. That is what early MMA tought us. Unabashed BJJ promoting aside ground and pound absolutely dominated MMA. When headbutting and groin strikes were allowed and before modern time limits ground and pound ruled. And it was wrestlers doing it. Look at the success and longevity of Dan Henderson. There is just no comparison.
Me as well. Wrestling and submission work back in the day. A boxer that can sprawl and strike is a nightmare to grapplers.

Gracie beat a catch wrestler in the first UFC: Shamrock
then beat Dan Severn who was big wrestler
also beat Remco Pardoel who was a judoka
Coleman got subbed by Nogueira

There are multiple times where wrestlers get submitted

Ah I forgot. Hughes (welterweight) got beat on the ground by BJ Penn who was a lightweight. BJ "The Prodigy" Penn

>The Prodigy originates prior to him competing in mixed martial arts, from accomplishing his extraordinary feat in the sport of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (earning his black belt in just under three years and winning the black belt division in the World Jiu-Jitsu Championship only three weeks later)

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*continued*
To the point where the modern rules are a direct reflection of taking the advantage away from wrestlers.

Story time
>be me
>at a local bar
>bit drunk start playing duck duck goose slapping people on the back of the head
>slap sone hipster
>stands up and says "you don't know me"
>i start to laugh
>his friends grab him, one says "we are hokding him to protect you not him"
>laugh harder
>the hipster breaks free of his friend
>dives at my ankle and does this twist thing, hurts abit like a rough massage but mostly annoying
>i start hammer fisting the side of his head
>his friend pushes me over
>hipster starts to basically scizzor me while twisting my ankle
>our balls basically rub, i use my free leg to start kicking him to his unprotected face
>his nose starts to bleed as he starts crying
>bar owner approaches and says "that will do ladies" and stands us up
>i headbutt the hipster when he gets to his feet then i get tackled out of the bar by owner and his son

Also every time people mention these wrestlers who give submissions. I go to read and I find out that they it's a load of bullshit

For example, Hughes trained at Miletich. I find out that's the same camp of Jeremy Horn who is a BJJ guy and miletich himself trained in BJJ. They definitively had training on the ground

Horn about Miletich:
>he was an avid boxer, and he did jiu-jitsu as well.

There are multiple times grace himself got beat in challenges. You are aware he wasn't even the best of the Gracie's, yes?
You can go back and forth using singular examples all you would like. Beginning around Mark Coleman's rise wrestling absolutely dominated the sport. So badly they had to change the rules multiple times to remove the advantage. Even still guys like Huges walked in and dominated. As I said this propaganda was very expensive for BJJ to promote. The godfather of BJJ himself lost to a high school wrestler and football player back in the day trying to prove BJJs "superiority". I practiced BJJ. I trained for a year with a very good freestyle coach. BJJ has some great submission techniques. Wrestling is a far better ground game.

Matt Hughes was cross training at miletich. He wasn't a pure wrestler

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Miletich
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miletich_Fighting_Systems

>hen Miletich coupled BJJ with his strong foundation in boxing/karate, he realized where his fighting career should go; MMA

Penn was decent. He got beat by edgar though. That's why he switched classes. And edgar was a boxer, wrestler first. So you are kind of proving my point. Sure they all started mixed training. But where do the bases come from? Even Liddell was a college wrestler. That's why he was hard to take down.Randy Coture was a wrestler. Shit even tank abbot had a wrestling background.

Coleman
>absolutely dominated
kek

When he faced Nogueira he got subbed like a noob

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Nobody has been a pure anything in the UFC. What the fuck is your point? Anyone good cross trains. That does not negate the superiority of the base.

Reading comprehension issues? Go back and try again. Probably punch dumb from lying on your back like a whore.

Frankie is also a bb in bjj

When pure wrestlers faced BJJ guys then usually get subbed. That's my point. The wrestling guys had to learn bjj defense

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The rules in the UFC actually favor wrestlers. See the rules in pride where if you miss a double leg you'll get your head caved in with knees or soccer kicks

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No they didn't. Only tards like you think wrestling has no submissions. When pure BJJ guys faced pure wrestlers in challenges they lost. Again ask the Gracie's about when they first came to America. The shit did not work our the way they thought it was going to. I've seen it play out today as well. The local BJJ kids come to mess around with the high school wrestlers. It is hysterical. The BJJ guys get torqued the fuck up.

Names a sport where the last champions held two belts and was literally an American wrestler.

Muay thai and boxing are better for street fights that's why

100%
First year and a bit was a grind for me. Even as you improve, its still frustrating. Worth it though

nah look for this clip where a bjj dude fucks over 2 car thieves.

>When pure BJJ guys faced pure wrestlers in challenges they lost
No, they did not. I just named in the first UFCs

Royce triangled Severn who was
>In amateur wrestling, Severn was a two time All-American at Arizona State University and a U.S. Olympic Team alternate.[10]

> The local BJJ kids come to mess around with the high school wrestlers. It is hysterical. The BJJ guys get torqued the fuck up.
just watched this yesterday youtube.com/watch?v=pLnAwSG-7Ew

>most practical
to kill someone, maybe

what kind of psycho charges someone and starts tricking their arms/neck?

Because I don't live in a nigger infested shithole so I don't have to worry about defending myself

how autistic is this brazilian holy shit

And as I stated the patriarch of the sport himself lost an open challenge to a high school wrestler in his first attempt to spread the sport to America.
It is unfortunate the reality gives you the butt hurt.

And Henderson was an Olympic level wrestler and wanderlia was a Brazilian who practiced BJJ and was a champion. Until Henderson took his belt.
Belfort was declared by Gracie himself as the greatest he had seen in BJJ. He poked Coture in the eye and then couldn't even take him down when he was half blind. Coture is a wrestler. The fight was stopped standing due to a scratched cornea. The second fight belfort lost. Belfort was the purest BJJ fighter around.

>talking about Henderson
in henderson time there's no pure anything anymore. yes, his base is wrestling but people were being more than one dimensional..

Wanderlei was a muay thai fighter with a bjj black belt. he also beat dan henderson the first time they fought.

Dan Henderson also lost to another bjj guys: Arona and both Nogueira brothers

I forgot: got dominated by shields on the ground who is a bjj guy with terrible terrible striking

beat belfort and then lost right after to enson inoue (bjj) by arm bar
youtube.com/watch?v=qeJsDpoViKc

Boxing is better

manlet's night out

I'll write in crayon for you. This shit played out before the UFC. without prior knowledge or training against each others discipline the BJJ lost to wrestling. Again for the slow readers the patriarch of bjj actually challenged KID who was a wrestler and football player and lost. In front of everyone. It wasn't even a challenge. The kid destroyed him. The Gracie's know all about the disadvantage. Why do you think Severn was chosen? He wasn't exactly in his prime or a physical specimen. Ken Shamrock was a fucking beast and a brawler, but Frank had the better ground game. Grace in the early tournaments had two advantages. The first no other fighter had. They made sure of it. Grace trained against the disciplines of all the other fighters he would face. He walked in the ring ahead of everyone else. Imagine kimo, shamrock with access training partner who mimicked a BJJ fighter like grace had of them. They would have fucking destroyed them. As it is he barely won some of those fights. Contrary to what was claimed. Second he used his gee. That is a huge advantage and he used it to win more than once. Goodrich used to do the same.
Stop drinking the BJJ cool aid. The submissions work. I have trained in BJJ. It is good. It's not a superior to Jack shit.

>Belfort was the purest BJJ fighter around.
Can't tell if a troll or a retard

Beat belfort. Belfort poked him in the eye. Then literally held belfort on the ground helpless and beat him again.

Which wrestler defeated Helio Gracie?

Black belt in BJJ under Carlson Gracie.
Yeah, that's what I said. All the Gracies said he was the second fucking coming. He was BJJs champion. Until he couldn't defend himself on the ground. Lol.

It was a random fucking kid. That's how sad it is. Even the Gracie's acknowledge it happened. They start rambling about how the kid was big and young. Lol. I'll find the kids name. Literal nobody.

We can start talking about the "Gracie" challenge as well if you want. How they backed out of challenges when they knew the fighter was a good grappler or was being trained by one. The Gracie's have been pushing this shit with serous financial backing for a long time.

>Martial arts system which relies on you being on the floor

Are you fucking stupid or something?

BJJ is a good plan Z, I'll give you that but fuck me are you thick.

Why don't wrestlers go and dominate the ADCC?

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I think only Mark Kerr here is a wrestler

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Proof? I have never heard of it.

Because high school, college, pan am, and Olympic titles and medals are all more prestigious and recognized.
Most people don't even know what the Abu Dhabi, let alone... but recognize an Olympic gold medal instantly.

Ben Askren is an olympic wrestler and lost in the ADCC

Look at Askren rolling with former ADCC champion Marcelo Garcia. It's like he doesn't know anything. He gets fucking dominated
youtube.com/watch?v=30Ujz5sCS3k

Vitor was very talented, but I don't think he ever competed in a black belt BJJ tournament. He was not a BJJ champion.
And to say he was a "pure BJJ fighter" is very idiotic.Up to the Saku fight, he had one submission victory and 6 KO victories.

The best BJJ fighter of his era was Rickson Gracie, by far.

When was the last time you were in a fight? I cant even remember but I guess when I were 8 y/o

>krav memega

>It's the most practical martial art for the street.
BJJ was designed purely for competition lol, it has no practical purpose

>BJJ was designed purely for competition
Most retarded thing I've read today. The Gracies are anti-sport. The gracies to prove their system was superior started challenging people to fights since the 1930s

>The gracies to prove their system was superior started challenging people to fights since the 1930s

thats competition retard

It wasn't for points. It was for whoever finishes the fight.

Also there were many street fights like for example Gracie fighting a rival on the beach
youtube.com/watch?v=0sbKebJiD9o

Rickson never fought anyone in an MMA match that could even be considered a challenge. Typical Gracie MO.

The question was "who had the best BJJ in that era", not "who was the best MMA fighter in that era".

Fuck the Gracie's. The Origin of BJJ and the patriarch of the Gracie family had the right idea. He ditched all the bullshit that didn't work and adapted it for his small self. As a concept it worked. Bruce Lee came to the same conclusion, you can still find images of him putting an arm bar on Bolo. Modern MMA is the natural evolution of that concept. The Gracie's have a history of "defending" the martial art and the family name. It is common knowledge at this point. They have threatened and attacked people that beat them on video. They were extremely selective during the "dojo challenge" years. They even backed out of fights when they found out someone who had grappling experience against them was training fighters. Notice they didn't wander onto any top college wrestling campuses and issue challenges? I'll say it again and again. Wrestling and boxing are the best bases you can have.

You are bullshiting a lot.
Helio fought against Masahiko Kimura, arguably the judo GOAT.

The statement was

>Best judo and best MMA are far apart. Rickson was a paper fighter in MMA

No, bjj is not useless.
No, (only) bjj is not the best choice either.

Train bjj for the longest time for fun.
Train MMA at least 2 years for self-defense.

youtube.com/watch?v=OVx1ot7NpqE

Belfort was not a pure BJJ fighter. He relied on his fucking fists. He always used BJJ as a fallback. There were better guys who to represent the "bjj specialist" type than him

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In randy's era the best HW division was in PRIDE not in the UFC and there Big Nog won a lot and he relied on his BJJ then came Fedor who was a sambo dude he also had a great ground game.

When Big Nog fought randy in the UFC he dominated him. Dropped him twice on the feet, swept him on the ground and put him in many submissions which randy fought through. In the end big nog won.

You are beyond retarded.

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not an argument

Coture was a light heavyweight at his peak(when he fought Vitor)not a heavyweigh.

Statement of fact. No need to respond to your "counterpoint" with anything of substance because it is simply a display of poor reading comprehension and lack of understanding of the subject.
In other words, you are fucking retarded.

>sambo dude he also had a great ground game.
You don't know what sambo is do you?

blah blah blah not an argument

Yes I do, obnoxious man.

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Randy's peak had him fighting belfort, Liddell, and that paper champion Tito the pornstar assaulter who got his ass handed to him by Frank shamrock and then picked up a vacated title. He then spent the rest of his career getting beat up like a school girl by anyone who could fight and beating up fighters who were past there prime. Tito was smart. If you don't look at the dates on his fights he looks like one of the greatest fighters in history. If you look at the dates you can see he was a paper champion. Shit. Tito backed out os a fight against Dana white.

You don't have very good reading comprehension.
Helio Gracie and Rickson Gracie are not he same person. When Helio fought Kimura, there was no MMA. You argued that the Gracies didn't fight men they knew to be good grapplers. Helio fought the best grappler of his era.

You didn't do yourself any favors there tard.

>The statement was
>Belfort was the purest BJJ fighter around
Which is an idiot statement.
Belfort was particularly different from other BJJ fighters in that he had a better boxing than average.

this shit is gay

I had just responded to someone else on Rickson. Typing error. I stated they picked and chose who they fought. They backed out of fights they new they couldn't win. I didn't say they never fought a good grappler. That's your straw man. I did say they avoided college campuses and wrestlers like the plague when they came back to the US to promote. As the Patriarch got his ass handed to him by a kid. He also lost having his armed snapped in a bunch of directions as well.
The myth of the Gracie's is far bigger more impressive than the reality. The old man was tough as fuck. No if ands or Buts. Everyone after him is somebody protecting a legacy. And frankly sketchy as fuck.

I'm not sure you aren't legally retarded.
>has better striking
>his BJJ is now comprised and impure
You. Retarded. Cunt.

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Can I do it online?

You argued that the Gracies backed out of fighters who had good grappling. You are ignorant.
There were plenty of grapplers they fought with. Their rivalry with the Luta Livre guys was famous.
Carlson fought with Euclides Pereira and Ivan Gomes who were extremely tough guys.

Have you actually watched the fight?
youtube.com/watch?v=ZIxZ2XIdpkQ

They were on the feet. Randy double legs him. Belfort wants to get back the feet as they get back up randy starts kneeing him and doing that dirty boxing thing and hits him with many punches. Belfort gets rocked and does the belfort thing where he gives up and falls down goes into fetal position and then randy starts GNPing a dead belfort

There are two alternatives here:

- You are ignorant of what people mean when they say a fighter is a "pure BJJ/boxing/etc" fighter
- You are pretending you didn't know what that means because you were embarrassed and you are trying to escape this discussion.

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I do, but not for the streets, only because it's fucking amazing and keeps my body and mind fit - and that's more than enough for me. Also, if you come training to us just to become the weekend gladiator in your local shithole bars, you'll be most likely to walk home crushed both in flesh and ego. We're training just for passion and to help each other become better. Folks with that attitude are not welcome here and rarely stay for long.
For self defense, go get some military training that prepares you to deal with actual combat situations. Any martial arts can give some advantage in a streetfight - I think BJJ and Muay Thai combined is enough for general self defense -, but there's no wonder weapon that can stop anyone you come across to. The only thing you can completely rely in is your brain. Avoid the conflicts as long as you can, or have a large squad. Itf it's unavoidable, be the one who hits first, hit hard, then run. No fucking pride worths a stab in your guts.

>It's the most practical martial art for the street.
Until you realize getting kicked in the head and face while you're rolling around on the ground by the friends of the dude you're fighting with and random strangers isn't much of a "defense"....or offense.

You WANT to be able to stay on your feet in a "street" fight so you can get the fuck out of dodge when it all goes to shit. Rolling around on the ground is the last option you want.

t. doorman

also, this

this
I used to run clubs, never saw a doorman dealing with one cunt (or his five cunt mates) by grappling on the bottle covered shitty concrete. Here's what they did if it got to that state: punch them out flat, usually in one shot.
Yeah, grappliing standing up to get them out is going to help, but on the floor, fucking joke you're asking to die.

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who are the better fighters

brazilians or chechens/russians

>when people who rely on one art too much get exposed

*laughs in sambo*

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>chechens/russians

>fact
The Gracie's backed out of fights with good grapplers
>fact
The Gracie's did not bring their challenge to college campuses where groups if good wrestlers were like they did to other disciplines.
>fact
The Gracie's backed out of challenges when they found out the fighters were being trained by people who had grappling experiences against them
>fact
The Gracie's physically attacked people who beat them publicly
>fact
You have not refuted any of this. You have just knocked down poorly built straw men. That is because it is all common knowledge.

There were three fights. Coture won two. Lost one to an eye poke. Belfort was like a helpless child even when randy was hurt.

This comment is top tier window licker shit.

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Because I don't live in a shithole where I have to defend myself on the streets.

The Gracies fought plenty of good grapplers and didn't physically attack Kimura, Pereira, Santana or Sakuraba.
You are just a huge liar. Prove that a "highschool wrestler defeated Helio Gracie", liar.

This has to be a complete troll thread, BJJ is absolute shit ein street fight, compared to boxing sports.
All of you that think BJJ is 'the patrician street fighting discipline' are completely retarded

Where's your hue jizzu now?

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it seems pretty cool. i think if you went to ground in a street fight you'd get your head kicked in though. either that or some black cunt will just stab you in the chest and leave for your dead

You have displayed such horrible reading comprehension I'm just going to call you retard. Retard. Clearly you are at an intelligence level that of an extra chromosome having, window licking, mommy wiped your ass into your teens, bed wetting retard. BJJ is perfect for you. Cunt up on your back.

>reality
youtu.be/ktojuukrKU8

Another example of what happens when "pure" BJJ" meets wrestling and the fight is evenly matched.
youtu.be/h84_sY6VOW4

>hurrrrr BJJ white belt lost to an experienced wrestler, that means wrestling numba one!

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Wrestling is college amateur shit, doesn't work in real life, plenty of wrestlers gets btfoed by BJJ guys constantly, you just cherry-picked and only found one example lmao

Gis are expensive

Boxing is really overrated
No defence what so ever against takedowns, knees and legkicks
Bjj guys owns them all the time in the octagon

Boxing is the most practical martial art there is. Since Khabib is a violent psychopath, there is plenty of footage of him street fighting. How much sambo does he use? 0 (zero). All he does is throw punches, anything else is a waste of time in most situations. Even Khabib is just swanging and banging on the streets. That says it all to me.

I say that as a BJJ purple belt.

You have been proven wrong. Why are you so mad?

>Can not count to two.

Most martial arts are more or less the same in a street fight. Be it Karate, BJJ, Boxing.
And if you are fighting in the streets, it would be better to start asking yourself what in the hell you are doing wrong with your life rather than training more martial arts.

The problem with boxing is that it gives brain problems.

Jonah Hill is that you?

>Failed to understand the statement.
>Thinks it somehow proved it incorrect
Keep pounding away monkey Shakespeare will show up eventually.

You argue like a feminist.

>There is no argument.
You failed to comprehend the original statement. It's just you. Banging your head off the wall that is your own ignorance. It's cute you pop up and declare victory every once and a while though. Shows real class a retardism.

That is the problem with boxing, but you can minimize that with headgear, quality gloves, and sparring smartly.

came here to post this vid

it explains it all really, wrestling is a little dull and bjj too brittle. in a fight involving punches dominant folkstyle rides are king

ok admitted, I did not read the thread at all. years of discussion made me ignorant ... just dropping one or two things:

t. 30 years of MA, won several tournaments + 10 years as trainer: BJ, BJJ, boxing, wrestling, JJ, Judo etc. etc. bla blad abla [insert name droping]...

Yeah BJJ is good but NO it's not best for 'muh street's; it misses striking and that's a fucking game changer even on the ground. And yes, I have tested this: myself and with my students... forget BJJ rules, adept the techniques add some ground and pound and you have a decent system. Cross train with boxing / thai boxing and it's top notch.

wrong headgear does nothing to protect your brain; in the end it's even worse than without because people have a false sense of security. and yes, this has be proven ... you get fewer cuts though.

where is that video of the bjj guy getting his head stamped on by 5 guys in UK?, doing BJJ in the street is suicide

fighting in the streets is for faggots, drive bys and full on shootings are best

You said Belfort was a "pure BJJ fighter". When people mentioned he was not even close to be a "pure BJJ fighter" you started this shit.

There is that retard level comprehension rearing it's head again.

>Art Jimmerson
Literally who?
Of course if you pit ATG MMA guys against not even top 300 Boxers the MMA guys will probably win in a fight (Assuming it's not a fist fight or a boxing match).
Meanwhile Merciless Ray Mercer literally slept the UFC Heavyweight champion. Yes, an old, fat, out of shape Boxer who hadn't been a champion in over 15 years had knocked out a UFC Heavyweight champion who only lost his belt months prior to the MMA match with Mercer.

>inb4 "B-b-b-but our ATG beat James Toney!!!"
Who cares, James Toney was like 50 and extremely punch drunk and fat. Prime James Toney would've knocked Couture into next week.

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>he posted severn of all people
when severn fought Royce he looked clueless on the ground.

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This mercer fight is literally the only fight you people have kek

Botha lost to Akiyama
youtube.com/watch?v=iXEFVvWYJ2c

Mercer got destroyed against remy bonjansky in kickboxing rules
youtube.com/watch?v=EXkcYul1LRo

Mercer lost to a fucking street fighter:
youtube.com/watch?v=DahOLe5z3Ek

Toney lost to a guy who was 5 years older than him (pic related)

This guy got raped by a kickboxer
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Tim was a Joke. Just saying.
A top level boxer a a power guy Tyson, a Morrison, a technical fighter like Olexander Usyk they would have zero issues transitioning into the UFC if they were in their prime. They would dominate.
There isnt a guy in the UFC that could strike with them. Olexander would fucking wreck Jones. It wouldn't even be a challenge.

That's after fighting several other people correct? That's the fight were Severn is so fucking gassed right from the beginning he grabs Gracie, throws him on the ground and just lays on him for like 15 min? The same fight night that grace breezed through his opponents? Mmmm. Nothing suspicious going on there right?
Anyone can get cought in an arm bar.

Notice how you guys can only do that to Boxers who are so over the hill that they can't even really compete with guys ranked 100-200 in Boxing anymore though.
Tim Sylvia was knocked out by one of those guys, and he was a recent Heavyweight champion of the UFC, the highest honor you can have.

Imagine what one of the current guys would do to your BJJ or Wrestling chumps. They'd savage them.
Too bad we'll never find out because MMA as a sport is too poor to afford even our lowest paid American Boxing champions.

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Look dude, I have nothing against wrestling. Many of my favorite fighters in MMA are wrestlers. It lets you control where the fight goes. I enjoy the takedown game but you can't ignore that many wrestlers have been caught in MMA when they enter a dangerous guard and their defense is weak. That's just what I'm saying.

Once a wrestler gets complete then they get very strong. Also we're talking about MMA here. Of course wrestling in the streets is good and you can even kill someone by slamming then on the concrete

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You are aware Art Davie and Gracie were the original owners of the UFC right? Lol. The first fight nights were a calculated advertisement. They had full access of and control of who they would fight. How they fight. Who they would have to fight to get to the final fight. The Gracie family had full control. Of course they fucking won.

He literally won the first UFC by beating Ken Shamrock who was a legit catch wrestler.

UFC 1
Gracie quarter final fought 5'11" 190lb Art Zimmerman a hack
Shamrock fought 6'2" 225lb Patrick Smith
a fucking brute
Then what did Gracie win with? Was that the sleve choke? Get the fuck out if here. Gracie prepared for those guys. They didn't have that same advantage. They set there little boy up in every fucking way possible. It was a joke. Imagine if they had brought in somebody like Dan Henderson? Oh wait they did and ge fucking walked away with the night.

After Shamrock he also had to fight Gordeau (the dirty dutch guy who blinded Nakai in one eye)

Gordeau:
>Height 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m)
>Weight: 216 lb (98 kg; 15.4 st)
>former savateur, karateka, and mixed martial artist.

You're making too many excuses. Just admit the guy was legit

>the huesperg is still going

Dan Henderson wasn't even fighting yet according to wikipedia. He started fighting in '97. first ufc was in 93.

If someone like Dan Henderson went there they would have used Rickson Gracie who is bigger

Why do you think only I am autistic? I'm not arguing with myself here

UPPERCUT

You are absolutely fucking retarded. Seriously. Obviously I'm talking about 98.
They didn't bring in Rickson because he is a fucking paper fighter even his dad said he is full if shit. He wouldn't have lasted through UFC one.

He was spoon fed three fucking championships. They picked the competition. I didn't see any boxing champions in there prime did you? You see any gold medal or college championship wrestlers in their prime? I didn't. For fucks sakes Severn admitted he didn't have a clue how to fight outside wrestling. He figured he would just either get the fuck back or close the distance if he saw someone taking a shot. That was literally his fight plan. Grow the fuck up already early UFC was a set up. Once they let the young guys with talent in the Gracie's got the fuck out.

>obviously I'm talking about 98
so you're the retard here because royce fought from UFC 1 to 5. UFC 5 was in 1995

He only got back to the UFC in 2006 to fight Hughes when he was already 40 years old

My point was you dim yellow bulb once they let accomplished wrestlers still in their prime in they won repeatedly. Shit.

>boxing champions in there prime did you
lmao boxing champions aren't fighting in MMA even today imagine in fucking 1993. He fought Art Jimmerson who was a boxer. Why would a boxer have any idea of fighting a grappler? He would just get taken down and wouldn't even know what was happening just like Jimmerson.

>Severn admitted he didn't have a clue how to fight outside wrestling
But you were arguing earlier that a pure wrestler would fuck someone up without any previous knowledge of bjj. isn't this the whole reason we've been autistically arguing all this time.

The first UFCs were about showing which art were efficient. That was the mindset. Like "your art" vs "my art"

IF the wrestler beats jiu jitsu then that defeats the whole purpose. You have to understand the context of what it was in 1993. It was about exposing shit like kung fu

*if the wrestler learns jiu jitsu beforehand then it defeats the whole purpose of what they were trying to show

Severn did fuck people up. Lots of them that's the point. He fucked grace up as well. mUh dinner jacket. Poor Gracie's. Hopefully they don't start a fight in tee shirt weather. Severn was already past his prime. He was not an Olympic level wrestler.
I understand the context. You could say I watched them as they came out. The Gracie's controlled everything. A top level young boxer or an Olympic level young wrestler was there worst fucking nightmare. They kept away on purpose. They knew they couldn't beat it. Fucking kimo was a joke martial artist who was tough as fuck and Gracie barely beat him.
Everything you believe is a lie.

continuing. The Gracies advocate that most fights go to the ground and there fights are won. They claim to have the best system to fight on the ground and they'll show that this is the superior way of beating people. If a wrestler like Severn has to learn about jiu jitsu beforehand then it proves their point because he had to learn to fight on the ground to win a fight outside of his art. That was the whole fucking point.

Yet Gracie was prepared before hand on every competitor he fought. He had complete knowledge of all the other fighting styles and practiced against them.
You live in Brazil. Go invite the instructors you know to challenge top level American college wrestler and see what they say. Ask them why the Gracie's stayed away from the campuses and the top level boxing schools when they came to America with the "Gracie challenge"
Its because they couldn't win. So they didn't fight. That is the true legacy of the Gracie's.

>olympic level
They beat decent people in their arts. They were selling their system of fighting. They also talk self-defense on the streets against regular people. This was enough for them. You have to understand this.

If you want modern MMA fighters from that time from here then look at Marcos Ruas who was already cross training

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The best system for fighting on the ground is wrestling. It always has been.

No, it's not. Wrestling is good to control where the fight goes.

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Not to mention james toney is not a natural fucking heavyweight. Dude is literally just a fatass who ballooned up to that weight

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The best ground system couldn't beat top college level wrestlers or get past top level boxers for fear of getting knocked the fuck out. Sounds like a hell of a con.
They didn't beat the champions of the day. That's what they claimed they could do. Bring in the best. They didn't do that. They left out the best boxers and wrestlers. And believe me they applied. Yet the very best got left off the card.

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You know what? I'll just post wrestlers getting owned by BJJ fighters now...

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sperg away, my jungle friend

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Oh the places you will go. The Gracie's could only dream.

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