MLS Is full of libera-

Hi lefty/pol/. You are as cringy as /pol/

These lads are doopin mental

From what ive read they're spic fascists

has the german humor spread into scandinavia?

Every. Fucking. Time.

NO DOOPIN FASCISTS IN THE DOOPIN STANDS IN THIS HOUSE
DO YOU'SE HEAR ME

Since there’s antifa in the audience, obviously they’re left wing

Islamist MLS team when

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What do they have against Latino fans?

whats wrong with you americans? what happened to the everyman attitude of the past?
why can't you just stop being retarded for like 3 months.
stop this civil war larping shit for like a week.
stop looking for fights and disagreements for like 48 hours.
just stop

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>When your town wikipedia page reads like a Tolkien description of Mordor
kek

Kek’d

Soccer fans and players have brain worms that cause toxicplasmosis and gives you brain disease. They’re not just mentally ill

Obviously Jews are against far-right extremists, idiots. Fair-right extremists tried to exterminate them less then a century ago

So did socialists like Stalin
Kind of like extremists are fucking awful people

>Joel Greenberg, a professor at NYU, blamed President Trump for the recent rise of fascist fans at NYC FC games.

>President Trump tells his supporters every day to assault minorities, journalists, gay, and trans people. He incites violence in this country like we’ve never seen before.

what? do you even know what liberal means? kek

Daily reminder that DC United is the true right wing MLS team. Barron Trump plays in their academy and the fans wave German Empire flags.

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>what happened to the everyman attitude of the past?

Multiculturalism turned up to 11

joj

Disgusting that they do this shit in the Bleacher Creatures stands. They're gonna get a visit from Tony and his cousins Paulie and Joey

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Fascism isn't just a buzzword for angry meanies, user.

probably all chicanos.

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They are, but good luck getting the media to acknowledge that.

The Left in the US have conjured up so many fake boogeymen. How do they function day-to-day?

>Silverman

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Isn't it ironic that Americans elected a Muslim woman from the Democratic Party to their Congress and the first thing she does is expose the Jewish influence and lobby in the US like some /pol/tard would do?

/pol/s AND tumblr's heads must have exploded over who they're supposed to support in this matter....

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actual liberalism (referred to classical liberalism in america because of some bullshit reason where the left hyjacked the term along with "progressive" for their own deceitful means kind of like how hitler exploited and corrupted the swastika) is pretty much the antithesis of fascism as it demands a small government and openness of non nationalistic free trade.

/pol/ unironically respects Islam and always roots for Iran to nuke Israel

I don't think it blew anyone's mind that a Muslim disliked Jews. Here's who I support in this matter: I choose to eat neither shit sandwich.

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the US is less multicultural than it has ever been
if you mean "there's brown people" then just say that instead of hiding behind buzzwords because that's what you're used to having to do in order to not be banned on Reddit

I FIGHT NAZIS EVERY DAY!
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I HATE THEM.
I never saw one in real life, but don't worry about that.

>why can’t people just be free to express themselves haha but I gotta kill that guy with a pointy white hat haha

Based anti Zionist proxy user

At this point "Nazi" just means, "Someone who's not a communist."

nice original opinion grandpa

Yeah guy in pointy white hat should be free to express themselves in their preferred mode of hate crimes and racial intimidation. Gosh, so much for tolerant liberals.

KKK and Nazi sympathizers trying to invoke the tolerance paradox as if THAT is the biggest hypocrisy of the left never fails to make me laugh.

Is the KKK even still relevant these days?

They seem to be mostly made fun of these days desu
Even Edward Norton made fun of them in his nazi role in 'American History X'

MLS is officially too based to ignore

and next theyre going to beat the Mexicans in our continental cup

that's more entertaining then watching players kneel at our flag in the NFL

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Nothing funny about making your opponent live by their book of rules.

There is nothing in the liberal book of rules that says you should tolerate intolerance. That is the tolerance paradox.

civilisation means not tolerating intolerants

Their god emperor has officially declared 'soccer' to be the new national sport in America, so they're just following what their leader told them.

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Yeah, NY sure has a massive fascism problem...

what about islam.

Conservatives are walking entities of hypocrisy, granted, but the far left has hypocrisy too

No they're mostly pathetic whiny faggots who pretend to be clueless why everyone hates them. They occasionally stage rallies which are always violent shitshows.

They aren't relevant at all. Which is why we have idiots like Jussie Smollett making up hate crimes for attention. That's not to suggest there aren't plenty of white people who don't like racial minorities here but the KKK is nearly non-existent.

Islam isn't an intolerant religion per se, the problem are teocratic governments, but from any religion

>Islam isn't an intolerant religion per se
It's as much a political system as it is a religion

fuck off pussy, everyone hates you fucking faggot

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>in the mls if you go doopin mental youre labaled as a facist
so that was their plan all along

Liberals don't endorse sharia or any oppressive aspect of Islam. They are tightlipped about outwardly criticizing it but it's not like Islamic law has any political clout here.

Fucking lel that pic

Wasn't quite sure if I was seeing correctly, bu yes, Jennifer Miller has a beard.

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they need a Clayton Bigsby to bring them to greatness again.

>Islam isn't an intolerant religion

It literally is though.
Their quran tells them to subdue every non-Muslim in the world.

While Christians (as "people of the book") are allowed to live in exchange of a special tax imposed on them, Atheists and religious groups that aren't mentioned in the Quran are to be forcefully converted or exterminated.

It's the same with Judaism and Christianism tho, the problem is when you literally use the sacred book as the law

It's intolerant in its dogma, I'd say that's pretty well ingrained into it. I'm not even advocating against its practice but I've read the Quran and I would not say tolerance is one of its strong points.

Don't be mistaken.
35% of the countries voters are in the trump cult.
out of that 35%, a good 30% are the scared "liberals are planning a mass white genocide, let me go on /pol/ and where Nazi arm bands in private"
Granted they are more basement pussies than a strong organized unit, they still exist.

The Bible also says lot of fucked up shit, they were wrote in periods of time when they were a persecuted People who were on full-defensive mode

>islam isn't intolerant
>liberals don't endorse sharia, just don't criticize
the far left also tends to defend them, and call anyone criticizing them (like classical liberals like Bill Maher - who are the most consistent and intelligent group among us) islamaphobic and ignorant and bias and hateful.

It's worth noting that the Bible becomes more tolerant as it progresses (from old testament to new) the Quran does exactly the opposite. I would never be an advocate for either religion but they really aren't the same in their final messaging or even concept of god's nature.

one of the Hitchens brothers can't recall which said that the new testament was worse than the old because and I misquote "only in the new testament is there any mention of your immortal soul being tortured for all eternity,"

yes, but one went through a cultural revolution, after the crusades and other extreme times, and what hasn't yet.

Islam needs dissenting voices in order to evolve.
to pretend Islam doesn't have connective tissue to Islamic terrorism is a fruitless argument.

I think the difference is (i dont know about judaism) since christianity has a strong central leader it has changed alot along the years
i think islam lacks that thus making it harder for the religion to change itself

It's a hard topic tho, liberal or not, it's hard to put yourself in a position to judge a different culture, either to defend or attack it

God I wish that was me

>classical liberals
I hate how that word has been corrupted

>is one hundred percent correct
>gets uneducated responses from people that wont even define fascism because it describes leftist practices in general
yup youre on the right track user youve touched a nerve and they hate when that happens

join the good fight

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Soon

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"So not even in death can you escape persecution"

I'm speaking specifically about the KKK as an organization. They hold no political power and have no clout. If they did, politicians wouldn't run from their endorsement rather than embrace or at least tacitly accept it. That doesn't mean people aren't racist but just because someone holds racist beliefs doesn't mean they belong to the KKK.

You're conflating criticizing generalized Islam vs. criticizing sharia law. Liberals get defensive about criticizing islam as a whole as a knee-jerk reaction to islamic scapegoating post-9/11 but anyone who thinks they'd just roll over and install sharia to not appear racist is fucking deluded.

You can't fix your obviously flawed and failing world view by just coming up with special terms to put plywood over the gaping holes in the foundation. The "tolerance paradox" is only a paradox if you hold on to the dogma that tolerance is a good thing. Healthy concepts and philosophies don't need special exceptions to the rule like that. Truth is good all of the time. There's no truth paradox that says "truth is good all of the time except when the truth makes us look foolish!"

The Bible DOES NOT advocate for the genocide of other religious groups though. You can argue that it is a little bit brutal at times (especially in the Old Testament), but the core message it transports is that of love and tolerance.

I'm even much of a Christian (only officially), but you can't really compare the Bible to the genocidal message of the Quran / Islam.

Nah dude.
Have some fucking principles.
If someone says "Gay people should die", "anyone who leaves islam should die", and the culture supports brainwashing women to wear bee keeper suits, then they SHOULD be criticized.
they NEED criticism.

well what else can we call them these day, the far left hurt the word liberal.

most of their fans are hispanic though

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Islam hasn't always been like it is today, and not all Islams believe the same things

In the middle age Muslims were way more liberal (speacilly in the way they treated women) than Christians or Jews. If it wasn't for Muslims we would have lost all classic Greek books because Christians burned them

Also, we have the largest Muslim population in Latin America and they live in peace here and never ask for the shariah law to rule the nation. They only go radical when they put themselves in a defensive position, when you attack them. It's the same for all cultures and religions

>voting as a racial block for your own people's interests makes you a pussy Nazi larper

Pushing the migration agenda too quickly is inevitably leading to a mass racial consciousness among whites in America, the closer they come to a plurality the stronger the solidarity will be between white people, the same is true for every other racial/ethnic group in a multiculti democracy. For some weird reason it's double super extra evil for white people to act as a solidified group in their own countries instead of celebrating the demographic changes taking place.

Not to mention they criticize our culture every day. The taboo of criticizing foreign cultures only ever seems to flow one way.

Based Franco Spain

>implying that isn't exactly what social media has degenerated it into

And who the FUCK decides that? Who decides what is "intolerant" or not? That fucking stupid argie c'mon

I haven't read the full Quram, but there are parts where they talk about educating the non-Muslims, teaching them how to write and read

For long periods of time they were the most educated and cultured People on Earth

*not

>Islam hasn't always been like it is today
yes it has, golden age is a myth

golden age happened in the places were Muslim rule was the weakest, usually in the periphery, and despite Islam

as soon as those places got tighter rulers that enforced Islam, it all went to shit

Christians and Jews were third class citizens, always

>when you literally use the sacred book as the law
Their book says to do exactly that unfortunately
Generalizing is a bit dumb ofcourse but it is odd how islam avoids criticism because of muh tolerance

Everyone in this thread is a fag, go back to plebbit

When you want to kill/exile a group of people. It goes either for far right (nazis) as for far left (communism)

It's a simple concept you buffoon. Not tolerating intolerance is not a flaw or hypocrisy.

golden age wasn't a long period of time, and it was only in the periphery, central Musmilands were always backwards

Black people vote 93% in lock step and it's a beautiful sign of the times.

White people vote 58% together and it's a trouble sign of in-group preference.

He’s a Jew that probably still wishes for the Andinia Plan

But I agree with that, the problem are teocracies. It's ok to people to have the religion they want, but no country should be ruled by some religious book wrote hundreds of years ago, they tend to all be a bit intolerant if you take them literally

>Fascism is a form of radical, right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
Dont see a resemblance bub

Wonder how frustrated actually fascist get when they’re compared to radical centrists.

Haha no man, this is the common mistake.
Obviously we should attack muslims in our country who have adjusted to liberal western living, but you are misunderstanding the sheer percentages of muslims outside of the US who believe extreme shit.

Obviously liberals wouldn't vote for sharia law - that's retard shit, agreed.

But you have to ask yourself what a moderate muslim looks like.
do 60% of all muslims believe all bets are off and its semi justified to murder if you insult the profit.. or are gay.. or you want to leave the religion.
Yes.
certainly, only 5% are active extremists, but at least 20% believe the extremists justified, and another 40% are close to that as well.

Of course there is connective tissue from sharia law to islam general, and at the end of the day liberal principles directly refute religious principles.

Fascists are always frustrated anyways

Google added the "right-wing" part to the definition.

>Who decides what is "intolerant" or not?
...intolerance isn't some kind of philosophical subjectivism, user...

>(((Silverman)))
Every day /pol/ makes more and more sense.

Same way actual Bolsheviks get when they see college campus Liberals like pic related

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That's exactly what it is.

that's why I hate its corruption, as a brit it makes conversing with american so damned confusing it's so confusing.
though elements of the british media seem to be corrupting its use here as well, fortunately the existance of the liberal democrats no matter how castrated they've become creates some resistance.

kek, she will end up making jews switch sides and support the republicans

seems like a gift from heaven....for the conservatives in the US

Literally the only words in that statement that don't align with socialism are 'right-wing'.

Its how they do it.
Most conservatives exist due to manufactured fear, created to scare you into voting for their tax cuts. You guys need to understand this.

The Quaran has tons of passages that call for death to infidels, muhammed was a war lord who executed tribal leader.

I have read the Quran and the more tolerant messages are nearer the beginning of the book. The Quran is fairly chronological which is why one of the most accepted rules for reading the Quran is that when any two passages are paradoxical or have opposite preachings, the later passage takes precedence. Early in the Quran it speaks of living along side the pagans in Media peaceably but as soon as the Muslims had enough power to wipe them out, the passages change to condemnation and genocide. There's actually a lot of this in the Quran, including what to do about Christians and Jews. I could go on about how they decide which Hadiths are accepted and not accepted. Don't take my word for it, check it out.

We ALL need to remember not to fall for the divide and conquer trick.

80% of liberals are reasonable and logical, 10% are loud feminists and SJW twitter warriors. The rest you can say are in-between.

80% of conservatives aren't in the KKK or terrible racists.

We have to stop looking at the worst of each side as a caricature of that side.
Its very very easy to go on /pol/ and look at the worst of the worst from liberals on a daily basis and form an anti liberal view.

Those jews at google at it again huh!!

why are US politics so greatly entertaining these days?

i unironically care more about what happens in American politics than in our own soul crushingly boring political world

american politics literally seem like a reality TV show that is actually good and watchable

>jews
>not supporting conservatives
Are you coming from an alternative universe or did you just forget how much of a jewish puppet Trump is?

Right. The DNC never uses fear tactics.

There's already a pile of Jews influencing Republican thought and doctrine, they play both sides of the isle, which is why the only thing the Congress ever unanimously agrees on is support of Israel.

Honestly this is the real reason they fear populist economic policies and nationalism, it's a direct threat to the neocon/neoliberal government they've set up, it says there's more to a government then simply growing a GDP and a nations people aren't just interchangeable cogs that can be moved freely as a form of human capital. Anyone still supporting the current power structure has sacrificed their own humanity at this point.

>authoritarian
No
>ultranationalism
No
>characterized by dictatorial power
No

Both sides have become ridiculous so it’s fun to observe.

pretty sure most american jews still support the democrats regardless

look at all the hollywood showbiz jews for example, pretty much all of them passionately hate Trump and/or constantly make fun of him

Yes. That's right. When the definition of a word is one thing for decades and then changes in time for a presidential election there's something going on.

Not on the same level.
And I have no dog in this fight.
but im willing to listen, which examples are you speaking of?

Jews outwardly support the DNC but either party is favorable for their bank accounts.

>ignores the fact social democrats and socialist governments from all over have been democratically elected, thus not dictatorial or oppressive

Because your fuckhole of a country is already dead and you know it. There's no reason to care.

You're understanding of politics seems to be limited to a left right dichotomy focused on economic policy. It's a dying model, people are tired of being treated as a tool for economic growth instead of the economy being used as a tool to grow the nation.

The simultaneous rise of populism in the U.S, Brazil, and Europe isn't some kind of GOP conspiracy theory, it's a resurgence of the human spirit that was snuffed out a century ago.

Jussie Smollett literally hiring Nigerians for $3500 to fake a hate crime or women walking around in Handmaids Tale outfits kek.

youtube.com/watch?v=8SOQduoLgRw
A useful video to watch

now this is based

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Literally the only major difference is that in fascism the government doesn't technically own the means of production, it just orders the private owners around. Socialism is fascism except it has direct instead of indirect control over the means of production. It's no accident that the more socialist a country becomes the more authoritarian and dictatorial it becomes.

Why are americans ruining everything

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>democratically elected
That's not how it works, as Hitler was "democratically elected".

When you have the fucked up system in place the commie yuro's do, you have either a stalemate where nothing gets done, or you end up with a fringe element in charge because they got a "majority" of the votes...which means shit when there's 20 different "parties".

Hitler got elected with way less than a majority of the votes, because they intentionally split the votes, as do all commie / fascist scum.

They do the same in the U.S..

if only
people here are too content and satisfied with their lives to start voting for some real change

Merkel will probably be replaced by a slightly more Conservative gay-hating version of herself, because people want more of the same just without more refugees

same old, boring shit basically

>of course our 99% election win is legit :^)

>The world is FULL of alt-right Nazis! Fascists everywhere! Roe vs Wade will be cancelled! Women are in danger!

You've got to be shitting me.

>people are tired of being treated as a tool for economic growth instead of the economy being used as a tool to grow the nation.
Too bad thats objectively false. People and production make the economy grow. Without production there is not economy, the economy that doesnt exist cannot grow a nation.
Even if you were right, it doesnt matter when the profits of our economy are not used to help the nation. They are being used right now to make everyone in politics, dems and repubs, filthy rich.

Im a business man. I make over 130k a year as a high level exec in a private company, and the stock market on the side.
But even I can admit that our economics are a mess due to corporate greed.

Conservative rise, recently, had revolved around 1 thing - immigration. which can obviously cause problems, depending on the country and its policies.

That obviously doesn't qualify as democrat politicians pushing fear tactics.
Anything else?

I haven't heard anyone say the country is filled with Nazis
I have heard people say trump supporters are Nazis - Which is wrong, although you can argue that 30% of them may be - which is a lot.

Roe v Wade will be canceled if conservatives have their way, expecting anything else is silly.

anything else?

Reasonable and correct imo.

Hillary Clinton unironically arguing that Trump having the nuclear codes will result in an atomic holocaust within a week of his inauguration

literally me

>I have heard people say trump supporters are Nazis - Which is wrong, although you can argue that 30% of them may be - which is a lot.
Funny saying goes, "not all trump supporters are racist, but all racists are trump supporters"

>high level exec
>130k a year

Choose one.

I've read some interesting differences between how Americans and Germans view government in general. I was born in Germany myself and spent many years there. What I noticed and what seems to be the case based on polls and such is that Germans tend to trust their elected leaders and Americans do not. I think that's why our politics tend to be more radical and thus entertaining. Very few Americans actually have much to bitch about but we sure can make mountains of molehills.

>We shouldn't give someone who doenst have a clue what they are doing nuclear codes
This isn't a scare tactic its "no fucking shit"

unfortunately true.

Haha im placed high, but don't get paid enough. though I walk in and out and work only about 20 hours a week lately, so im not pushing it.

You talk like nations exist only to support whatever economic system they've decided to operate.

>30% of them may be - which is a lot.
If 30% of them were "NAZI's" then our cities would have been on fire when the U.S. elected a nigger, but amazingly enough all the rabid "racists" that the communists convince people exist in the U.S. failed to materialize.

Meanwhile the DNC is still paying useful idiots from college campuses to throw national temper tantrums 24/7.

Any and every white person

Andrew Lloyd webber's "cats" was british not american theatre

Like I said above guy, most are message board private basement dwellers, who aren't actually organized Nazis.
to agree with you, I don't think theyre actually a problem.

the problem is how willing the right was to throw away all of their principles and their spines in the garbage in the face of a cult of personality.
That can potentially be very dangerous.

>only "X" political group are "racists"
The most racist pieces of shit in the nation are city dwellers. They self segregate and hate anybody that doesn't live in their shitty city.

You look at the media and advertising and you'd think the U.S. is a urban/suburban mixed race ethnic society. It's not. They hate rural Americans, and American culture that falls outside their shitty urban centers.

Did you not see what DNC politicians said or tweeted immediately after the faux hate crime? Kamala Harris’ run for president is probably already over because of her overreaction.

I was just saying that the masses create the economy with their production. Without the people working to build an economy and without uncorrupted heads of state that use the profits to build the nation, the nation will not grow. I believe that everything works in tandem.

>nations exist only to support whatever economic system they've decided to operate.
Sadly, that's a stance that many politicians would support

>its "no fucking shit"
Then explain why some Kenyan nigger "community organizer" was given the codes.

I wouldn't say we exactly trust our government, but we trust the non-establishment option much less, so we just keep the current powers in power as the non-risky option

Trump would have NO CHANCE here since he represented something new and innovative in the way he ran his campaign, so people wouldn't want to take the risk of putting him in power over here

you guys did it though and I, for one, am very thankful for that
our generation probably doesn't even yet fully realize in what unique, crazy timeline we get to live and whether he is the cause or just a symptom of it, Trump certainly is a big part of the zeitgeist

>because shitskins aren't racist murdering pieces of shit
Who could be behind this post?

>Very few Americans actually have much to bitch about but we sure can make mountains of molehills.
Most of western politics in a nutshell tbqh

Roe vs Wade will not be cancelled "if conservatives have their way." Conservatives have held a majority in the High Court multiple times since Roe v. Wade and they've never even tried to overturn it. it's scaremongering, nothing more.

You can argue 30% of Trump supporters are Nazis but arguing something doesn't make it true. What scientifically conducted poll shows 30% of Trump supporters are Nazis? What evidence of any kind exists to lend credence to that argument?

People also said Trump would ruin the economy ( and are still saying this and will continue to say this) because people think presidents have way more control over the economy than they actually do.

I also heard it said that if Trump was elected a war with Russia was surely going to happen somehow at the same time he was Putin's lapdog (which is itself a whole other set of fear mongering.)

How many examples would ya like?

>problem is how willing the right was to throw away all of their principles
That didn't happen and you're just a bitter dramatic bitch.

>The most racist pieces of shit in the nation are city dwellers. They self segregate and hate anybody that doesn't live in their shitty city.
Of course, not to mention they are all gentrifying closet racists, the "lock your door were in the hood" types. I was just telling a joke.
Also suburbanites are all generations of White Flight-ers. I agree that attacking the rural community is bad, which is why trump won. Someone finally listened to them and stopped making fun of them

Yeah, no racists in the Black Panther party or over at The Root!

This. Most GOP supporters, save for the Evangelicals, don’t mind abortion because it means less black babies on gibs. They only think Planned Parenthood takes too much federal shekels and should be privately funded.

In what way has Trump been dangerous? He's effectively accomplished nothing in two years except increasing aid to Israel and cutting taxes for the rich? Everything else has been pretty much the status quo from Obama.

I guess I can give him credit for not putting boots on the ground in Syria and starting peace talks with North Korea as well, but if it wasn't for the sensational media coverage of his presidency it would be the most boring tenure since Carter.

Dude. Stop.
Don't play stupid. The reaction was completely justified in the face of a gay black kid almost getting killed and a noose being put around his throat by guys wearing MAGA hats.
You expect media and the country not to react to a story like that?
There was nothing wrong with the initial reaction. at all.

Don't be fucking stupid.
whether you like him or not Trump has shown Zero evidence of competence or knowledge in any particular 1 of the 300 complicated issues a president has to be knowledgeable about.
I have criticisms for Obama, but he was obviously 100x more intelligent and informed than trump at his best.
to say otherwise is blatant delusion and lying to yourself.

This is the shit im talking about - you people fell for personality and ignored blatant evidence.

to suggest you would bet more than 7 dollars that trump would pass a 3rd graders civics test is fucking asinine.
this blatant disregard and disrespect from the right on intellectuals and scientists, and learned people is one of its major problems.

I bet you man druid on wow fag

Or in the Kike community....or in the Hispanic / Latin / whatever the fuck they call themselves community...no sir. No racism there.

I agree with that, my original point is that economic growth has been placed above the well being of the nation and its people at this point, the way people talk about politics you'd think the only thing that matters is to keep GDP expanding.

>Don't be fucking stupid.
You first.

Yes, there was. How many cry wolf fake hate crimes have to happen before the media and politicians take a step back and wait for more context to be available to form an opinion? Blacks constantly spray paint “KKK Fuck Niggers!!!” on their churches or driveways and wait for the GoFundMe dollars to come in.

Youre right, that is all that seems to be talked about now. The worst part is no one seems to realize that no matter what the economy is like, the every day person is still struggling. After Obama's 2008 bank fiasco, I was hoping people would realize.

1. They can't express doubt of any hate crime or their pets will turn on them
2. They figure the people who get outraged at them for taking fake hate crimes at face value will be too disparate and quiet to make a difference

>roe v Wade
once again, I have no dog in this fight.
But its silly to suggest that conservatives haven't fought tooth and nail to rewind abortion rights for years.
Yes. That is factually a real fear, even if its a difficult undertaking.

We Wont know Trumps effect on the economy for another 6 months or so.
it takes 2 and a half years to see policy effects on a macro level.
I predict we will have a bad recession very soon.
We only have evidence of stupid shit hes done so far, like tarrifs that fucked farmers, to which trump gave 12 billion in welfare to.

Trump being putins lapdog obviously isn't fear mongering either.
Evidence points to it being likely - with EVERYONE going to fucking jail over lying about contacts with Russia. Are you joking?

this level of delusion isn't helping you.

Most of the right have exposed themselves as spineless cowards.
Trump has lied on camera 7000 times, and the right is defending him when he calls 10 independent intelligence agencies liars and that Putin is the honest one.
once again, not really debatable.

the Danger is his supporters.
they have proven themselves to have no balls, no principles, and will defend and even vote for any change or idea he has in mind.
He is incredibly corrupt
has his children in positions of power
attacks the pillars of democracy
etc etc etc etc etc

Yeah, and they have been expelled from countries throughout history. Really makes you think

No, they're communists. Far deadlier for normal population that fascists.

An unsubtle sign of increased multiculturalism.
Again, who should like it and who should hate it? (Or whom.)

>/spol/ is at it again

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>how many cry wolf hate crimes?
What are you talking about, this is the only fake one I remember in modern media times.

You kidding me? How the fuck was the reaction "justified?" He "almost" died but had time to go home and eat the sandwich he protected with his life before calling the cops? The fuck kind of crack are you smokin?

And yes, I too expect people to actually wait for evidence that a claim is true before blaming half the country for a crime no one committed. How the fuck is that too much to ask?

And how the fuck is it the initial reaction to an obviously fabricated story perfectly understandable when those same people didn't bat an eye over an 81 year old man being actually assaulted over his choice of hat?

my girlfriend actually works for a prominent bank and theyre expecting a huge crash next year.

What race is this

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Dude. Listen.
If im a famous gay black kid, and I go to the police beat up with a noose around my neck, and say I was attacked by guys in Maga hats.
It will instantly become national news.
Of course it will, and it has every right to be.

HOWEVER, the system worked and followed through on the story and updated it, and now the kid is fucked.

that's a win win.

All the kid did was hurt liberals.

that "kid" is a 36-year old man

SoCal race

You get the point.
this stupid ass "omg how could national media run with this story!!!" is a useless stupid point.
the media handled it correctly.

Retard, I'm saying from the authors POV. You idiot.

>once again, I have no dog in this fight.
But its silly to suggest that conservatives haven't fought tooth and nail to rewind abortion rights for years.
Yes. That is factually a real fear, even if its a difficult undertaking.

How exactly do you explain the conservatives fighting tooth and nail for something, having all the power to do said thing and then not doing it? If they actually wanted this to happen it could have been done multiple times already. It hasn't even been attempted! How do you square that circle?

>We Wont know Trumps effect on the economy for another 6 months or so.
it takes 2 and a half years to see policy effects on a macro level.
I predict we will have a bad recession very soon.
We only have evidence of stupid shit hes done so far, like tarrifs that fucked farmers, to which trump gave 12 billion in welfare to.

Just repeating the fearmongering doesn't make it not-fearmongering. Are you aware that part of the proposed deal to end the trade war is that China is supposed to double agricultural imports from the US, right? Exerting tarrifs over China is literally the only way, outside of a war or embargo, to get China to play by the trade rules they agreed to and constantly ignore.

>Trump being putins lapdog obviously isn't fear mongering either.
Evidence points to it being likely - with EVERYONE going to fucking jail over lying about contacts with Russia. Are you joking?

>this level of delusion isn't helping you.

Yup, two years and the FBI has jack shit to pin on him, sure seems likely the smoking gun's going to be found any moment!

I'm the delusional one, lol.

I hate you all

Go fuck yourself you piece of shit

I'm not arguing it wasn't news, I'm arguing that the uncritical reporting that was done wasn't justified. The fact that the case was so well publicized and fake means it'll probably hurt real cases of such abuse. That is not a win-win of any kind. A win-win would have been both the media and the police being careful and critical, then we wouldn't have the fucking blow-back.

>Conservatives don't want to repeal abortion rights
Yeah man that's a great hill to die on.

>Trump might do good for the economy
Ok, we will see.
Evidence points to the contrary so far, but we will see, ill give him credit if he does well.

>the FBI has jack shit
That's really fucking dub to say isn't it?
Ive seen threads on /pol/ "this will surely be his end"
but they all seem stupid enough not to understand the basic structure of an investigation.
Obviously as time goes on and Mueller collects mountains of info and evidence, Trump grows closer to danger every single solitary day - not farther away from it.
You understand the basic principles of collecting evidence silently, and keeping it strongly under wraps, don't you?

I mean would you honestly bet more than 15 dollars that trump is clean?
that would be very silly of you.

You're a stupid coward.
You're such a coward you cant even look yourself in the mirror.
So don't get pissy with me cleetus.

um, sweetie...

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come on dude.
You think a story like this wont make national headlines immediately 100% of the time?
allegations never make news?

I am proud of the media for adequately properly covering the fact that it was fake, once new information was provided, and that this kid is getting punished for it. the system worked.

How am I a coward? How am I being a coward? Is it cowardly to back someone that can get your entire career and life and friendships torn to shreds? Who should I back? Do you have any answers for that? Should I have backed Hillary or are you one of those too-smart-to-actually-make-a-decision types who can talk shit to everyone because you're too cowardly to make a choice?

It's not that they ran with the story. It's that they ran with the story without one hint of skepticism or fact-checking.

>The Quran is fairly chronological
No it's not at all

If you want to read it roughly chronologically you should be starting at the end and working your way back

my brother. Im sorry, I truly am.
But ive watched this shit for 3 years.
I am tired of the arguments, tired of the bullshit.
I have spent countless hours speaking with Trump people. They are simply not interested in listening to anything, they threw their principles in the garbage, they support a guy who lies and bullshits all day every day, and they do nothing but fight for him and troll the left.
I am forced to start to question the blurred line of stupidity and cowardice.

Now I didn't like Hillary at all.
But YES of course we all should have voted for Hillary instead of trump, given those 2 options.
1 is a 10 year old emo school girl, and the other was the most qualified boring moderate weve ever seen.
This position is WAY too important to fuck around and give to your buddy, or your uncle.

What facts could they check? when new info came out they reported it.
I can not criticize them, here.
the news are sensationalists, as they have been for years.

OH NO NO NO *wheeze*

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>the other was the most qualified boring moderate

You seem like you're the one who isn't interested in hearing anything new, brother. What made her qualified? The senate seat she only got because of an untimely death? Foreign policy failure after foreign policy failure? Name one thing she accomplished that would even begin to justify you making that absurd claim.

>Yeah man that's a great hill to die on.

Not actually going to try and argue the evidence then? I'm conservative, I don't want abortion rights ended. Clearly I'm not the only one or the shit would have been done by now.

>Trump might

My assertion is that presidents don't have that kind of power not that Trump might do some good. The economic data we have so far suggests whatever is being done and whatever effect is being had is a positive one. But much like the abortion stuff, you're not arguing the evidence that exists, your arguing the evidence that hasn't manifested yet. I'm with you though, whatever happens may or may not change my opinion. I am open to that evidence.

>That's really fucking dub to say isn't it?

No, it isn't. I'll grant you investigations can take time but if they had proof of wrong doing against the guy they are trying to get, they wouldn't be sitting on it like a nest egg. Once you've got the dealers and distributors on tape exchanging the money for the drugs, you send in the SWAT team, you don't sit on your hands.

Just because an investigation is taking a long time doesn't mean its bearing fruit either. It's every bit as likely that it's taking so long because they can't find what they need. Given the number of, "The evidence is in, they are totally about to get him!" stories that have turned out to be total bunk, I'm unconvinced they have anything of real note.

Don't just tell me I'm wrong, prove I'm wrong.

Also, I don't think Trump is clean. I don't think any significant politician is. I also don't think Trump is Putin's lapdog. Proof, my dude, proof not speculation.

to become the CEO of apple, one should have expertise in 100 areas, from computer programming, to marketing, to innovation practices, to business practices, to etc etc etc.

High level positions require expertise.

Hillary, like her or not, was vastly knowledgeable on the 300 extremely complicated things that a president Must have a grasp of.

Trump, might have a basic grasp on 3 of the 300, and even screws those 3 up.

This isn't a real competition, its an NBA player vs a 7 year old.
She may not be the best NBA player ever, and you may disagree with her decisions, and she may cheat, but it still virtually isn't close.

This was the major issue I saw form the right - choosing a guy you Like instead of a guy who had the slightest clue of what the hell he was doing, and was boring.
You can not hire your uncle to run Apple, no matter how entertaining he is.

Again, I didn't say it shouldn't have made the news. I said it should have been reported on critically. Those two things aren't antithetical to one another. Why do you insist that blatantly lopsided reporting on the incident was in any way good? You said yourself that it hurt the liberal's cause. That's not good, right?

That's a lot of keystrokes to say you can't think of anything.

I have no interest in arguing that conservatives don't overwhelmingly want to roll back abortion right.
I appreciate you being smarter than them, but that's a Hell of a claim to make.
No I wont argue with you about it because I think that would be really really stupid.

I agree, Presidents Typically don't have enough power to fuck the economy alone or Make it great, HOWEVER many economists who believe exactly that are saying Trump is looking like an exception due to making huge economic changes.. such as trade wars and tariffs.
Im not calling him a failure yet, but I am saying the next year and a half will show us whether what hes done is right or wrong. because the current situation is Picture attached

and Yes absolutely we need some level of proof before calling him the traitor of all traitors, but I have to contend that this does not look good for the guy. His son literally got an email saying "dirt on Hillary from Russia continuous support of his election"
Also that everyone around him is going to jail, and everyone around him is being caught lying about Russia.
It is seriously looking pretty fucking obvious.

however obvious isn't good enough, and Mueller knows that. In order to come at the president as a traitor, he has to collect so much fucking evidence its indisputable. And in doing that he can not come at Trump like a cop, he has to do it politically and slowly.

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lol

bunch of manlets baka

You're not quite getting me.
How can you report critically on 1st hand information without a recording?
All a reporter can do is try to collect more info later on when its available.
They made no mistake, I have no criticism for them on this case. And I am very critical of media.

Cant think of anything?
1 is qualified, 1 is clueless.
it doenst get more simple than that.

You report critically by not simply assuming that because person X says a thing, it is true. You don't jump to conclusions and THEN wait for the evidence. And even then, his own account had enormous and unmistakable holes in it. Guy wears the noose home and has dinner before he calls the cops? Guy gets beaten by two guys but saves his fucking subway sandwich like he's protecting a newborn? Not only was the media completely uncritical in their reporting, they did it in spite of the red flags waving everywhere just from his own account!

>you don't jump to conclusions THEN wait for evidence
Yes you do dude.
"Theres a report of a mass shooting with multiple casualties"
"This guy has been accused of Rape"
"This person was reportedly attacked last night"

Maybe all of the critical info you provided came out days later?

>No I wont argue with you about it because I think that would be really really stupid.

Suits me, though I'd love it if anyone could give me a coherent explanation of why, if the conservatives want it to happen and have had the power to do it, that it hasn't happened. Doesn't have to be you, literally anyone will suffice if they can square that.

>I agree, Presidents Typically don't have enough power to fuck the economy alone or Make it great, HOWEVER many economists who believe exactly that are saying Trump is looking like an exception due to making huge economic changes.. such as trade wars and tariffs.

I have some genuine understanding of the why the trade war is happening and what the goal is. I think it's a better option than a hot war or a bunch of much more mutually destructive embargoes. In any case, the economy is good despite the doomsday prophecies and the trade war. I am very happy that the fear-mongering, by all available evidence, appears to be just that.

>It is seriously looking pretty fucking obvious.

Odd how two people can look at the same set of circumstances and draw opposite conclusions. I think it's worth noting that I am no great fan of Trump either; I didn't vote for him and never will. I'm only arguing that the left uses fear tactics just like the right. Hell, I even still see people claiming that Trump is going to end the rights of LGBT people, gay marriage is doomed! I'll hold my breath.

How was Hillary qualified? What qualities about her personality and career lead you to make that judgement?

>Yes you do dude.

No, you don't. You report on what you KNOW which is not jumping to conclusions.

None of the quotes jump to any conclusion! If they did, they would read:

"A mass shooting with multiple casualties has occurred. We know this because the homeless guy at the end of the block with his underwear on the outside said so. Shame on Trump supporters for killing children like that!"

"Kavanaugh is a rapist! A woman said so!"

"This person was attacked last night. Since he's black and gay and says it was MAGA hats then the attack is just another demonstration of how 30% of all Trump supporters are Nazis."

Had the media said things like you said here, I would have 0 beef. Many reporters not only assumed that what he said was true, they went right to the same tired rhetoric that got people sued in MAGA kids story. They do this shit so much its almost a fucking weekly occurrence now!

I can appreciate you trying to calm unrealistic fears.
I do it often, as I attack the left and the right.

you seem like an intelligent guy, I just don't know how much more news has to drop before you think its obvious?
-Trump junior literally having an email convo with "Russias continuing support for your fathers election"
-Putin hating Hillary
-lying about the trump tower meeting about 15 times about whether it happened, who was there, etc
-lying about the Moscow trump tower deal
-Guccifer 2.0 and lying about knowing WikiLeaks was going to do a date dump
-Trump continuously incredibly pushing for policies that benefit putin
-Trump continuously trying to oull sanctions from Russian oligarchs
-Trump refusing to show his tax returns
-the trumps having inconsistent answers on "how much business do you have in Russia
-American banks no longer making loans to trump
-Trump lying about being in Russia
-Manafort, Flynn, popadopolous, roger stone all going to jail
and im literally forgetting 20 other pieces of news.

also trumps personality
-would trump sell out his country - Hell yeah.
- does trump appreciate authoritarian strong men - hell yeah

if I were a betting man, id bet a few thousand that Trump is guilty of colluding with Russia.

Hillary, as much as I don't like her, was probably the most qualified candidate to ever run for president.
years and years of office experience, years of experience directly next to presidents, headed different departments, knows Washington, has higher level of intel, knows foreign policy, domestic, economic etc etc etc

not a defence of Trump
but Hillary was an incarnation of almost everything wrong with washington

What could she have done for the voter?

goodreads.com/book/show/43371.No_One_Left_to_Lie_to

Im not here to defend her man.
She was an average moderate. Nothing new. Same old military complex.

But the point is that I watched trump closely for years.
And he has failed to demonstrare adequate knowlwdge in any particular area.. which probably explains why Eveyone in his own fucking cabinet has called him "idiot" or "fucking idiot" with "the understanding of a 5th grader"
The voters were too cavalier simply voting for a guy just because hed put a thumb in liberals eyes.

A normal person, most likely.

Hey, man. You're the one who called her qualified. I figured there was a good reason behind that. If Trump is so lacking in knowledge and connections why does he seem to come out on top so often? Why hasn't he been crushed?

>-Trump junior literally having an email convo with "Russias continuing support for your fathers election"

The Russians were most certainly supporting Trump's election. That does not demonstrate that he colluded with them to do anything. And in fact, the only thing the Russians seem to have done is told Clinton's dirty secrets. I don't actually have any issue with that. If the Republicans did to Trump what the DNC did to Bernie, I'd fucking boycott them no mater who broke the news. That's tangential beef, I admit.

>-Putin hating Hillary

Putin had good reason to, by some accounts she was pushing for airspace regulation over Syria that was extremely likely to cause armed conflict between the USA and Russia. NO sane person wants that. Doesn't demonstrate collusion of any kind.

>-lying about the trump tower meeting about 15 times about whether it happened, who was there, etc

As you said, gonna need a lot more than that to prove high treason. Not a point in his favor.

>-lying about the Moscow trump tower deal

Cohen lied but I'm not aware that Trump did. What I saw from Trump was that he admitted that they were trying to make that deal happen. Even if it can be proved he was still working on the deal after he began to run, that's not in any way a crime. I don't know what this is supposed to prove.

>Guccifer 2.0

Good on em. The DNC was being cooked as shit. I wouldn't care if ISIS broke the story so long as it was true, which it absolutely was. Only thing that pisses me off is that it took a Russian hacking group and not our own media to break the story.

>-Trump continuously incredibly pushing for policies that benefit Putin

I am in favor of better relations between the US and Russia. Unless it can be demonstrated that these policies hurt the US I don't care. I wish Obama would have done this. Had Obama ended the war in Syria and tried to war relations with Russia and North Korea, they'd have given him a fucking Nobel Peace Prize... oh wait.

He recently got cucked to hell by nancy over the wall.
Had to pay 12 billion in welfare to farmers.
Hasnt made good on any of his capaign promises.
Did give israel 35 billion though.

Youre asking how we won the presidency?
Obvious.
American people are stupid.

3 major factors
They were trained to hate hillary for 20 years.
Trump was anti pc at a time where pc liberals became most annoying
And russia spent millions to help him.

Add that to the typical conservative fear tactics and that's all he needed to barely win.

If I’m Russia, why would I put all my espionage eggs in the fucking Trump basket kek. Russia and China put plants in both parties by the way. We do the same to them.

Ran out of space, but suffice it to say I don't find anything listed as a reason to assume anything treasonous was going on. I mean fuck me they tried to claim that because some foreign nationals stayed at his hotel it amounted to receiving gifts/ payments for foreign influence. Meanwhile, the Clinton foundation's crooked ass shit was immensely worse as far as I can tell. That doesn't excuse Trump, surely but nothing I've even seemed claimed about his Russian dealings amount to what we know Clinton did. If he did it though, impeach the bastard.

op here im surprised the mods let this go on for as long as it did i i dont give a fuck about mls i just wanted some sweet (You)s

My pleasure! >you

You’re a moron then. They’ve been happening in droves since 2016.

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Even worse, what goes on in the faggot SJW's mind as (s)/he/ze/whatever the fuck they identify as, authors such poor readership and passes it off as journalism?

And Dubai gave her millions and not to take out facebook ads lol.

No one trained anyone to hate Hillary, she earned every ounce of that by being a condescending crook. Her time as Sec. of State did her no favors at all.

>American people are stupid.

Yeah, sure anyone who disagrees with you is a moron, blah blah. That'll convince 'em you've got a point!