Lionel Messi is the LeBron James of football. Take that as you want

Ronaldo is better than Messi. He has done it at every level, different countries and internationally. He even guided his team to the Euros when he was injured. The only thing Messi does better than Ronaldo is dribble.

what? neither messi nor lebron were always in the shadow of another player, both are the best of their generation

then compare messi to maradona or lebron to jordan is stupid, the game changes a lot in 10 years. for example jordan couldn't hit 3s for shit, and he's a fuckign guard, he would be just a derozan if he played these days, but that would be also unfair

and scoring, and assisting, and passing, and crossing, and weak foot, and defending

literally everything you want besides headers, and ronaldo hasn't scored may headers in his career, he's tall and can jump really high but almost never scores with his head

Ronaldo is better at winning

Ronaldo is better at bicycle kicks, shooting technique, positioning, movement, anticipation, scoring, height, body, tallness, looks, muscles, jump, header, fitness, athletism, endurance, running, speed, acceleration, top speed

I don't agree at all. Ronaldo has done it everywhere. Messi has dominated the Spanish leagues which isn't hard when you're second best in the world and your team doesn't have much competition. I'd love to see Messi come to the English Prem and see how he performs. I'm not saying he wouldn't perform but I'd love to see it.

messi is faster and I already said all ronaldo was better is his height, the rest are impossible to measure and just subjective shit

messi has way more titles than ronaldo

messi has more goals against top 6 english clubs than ronaldo, and ronaldo fucking played in that league

he sure statpadded against boro and other teams, but was never impressible in england

Stepover, tricks, faints, diving, drawing fouls, taunting, crossing, shot power, volley, backheel

>messi has way more titles than ronaldo
Ronaldo has 5 champion leagues, Messi has 3

messi has 4 and is almost 3 years younger than messi

ronaldo at messi's current age had only 3 cls, we'll need to wait until both retire to compare these

if you count all titles, messi wins by a large margin, he won the league and domestic cups way way more than ronaldo, and by most of their careers they shared the same league

>Messi has 4
First doesn't count
>muh age
Not a fair comparison. Can you honestly see Barcelona winning 4 CL in the next 5 years?

>First doesn't count
Ok, last reply for kiwi flags

I don't think they can win 4 more, but 1 in the last 3-4 years, why not?

Lots of ifs there m8
Dont care what your opinion is on hypothetical situations
Fact is MJ and el Diego are the GOATs and more clutch players ever in their sport
If i had 2 wheels id be a bycicle

Based Brazil Jojo poster, I'm on to your good taste.

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>Diego more clutch
So why did he win so little in his career?

that's what boomers say, then people in their 20s wouls say lebron and mesis are the goats, then people in their 70s would say kareem and pele are the goats, etc

Yeah I read that stat, it's pretty crazy. But still I'd like to see Messi come and play in the English prem and see how he performs. La ligue is easy compared to English prem.

La liga*

>La ligue is easy compared to English prem
I like your league because muh parity but how can you say that? Can you give me one argument at least?

Do you really think Man City are better than Real Madrid or Leicester is better than Sevilla? Real Madrid and Sevilla are 2 of Messi's top 3 victims

What basis do you have to say that?

For a guy who basically played by himself in every team he won a lot and he brought the only non rigged WC to Argentina and managed to put them in another final while playing with a sprained ankle for most of the tournament
Also european cups where for champions only

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It's the top clubs in La Liga dominate. It's like a well funded Scottish premier league, like 2 or 3 clubs will beat everyone else. English premier league is another animal, it's anyones game. Maybe 6 or 7 clubs could realistically win the league, and Leicester taught everyone that it's anyones game.

Same answer as above.

HOW. THE FUCK. DOES KING CRIMSON WORK?

>Leicester taught everyone that it's anyones game.
Yes, getting your historical club sold to Thai billionaires who inject money can make you win a league

You don't see that in Spain

>English premier league is another animal, it's anyones game. Maybe 6 or 7 clubs could realistically win the league, and Leicester taught everyone that it's anyones game.
That's not true at all. Realistically, only Man City or Liverpool could win it. Tottenham have never won the league, Arsenal haven't won it since 2004. Man United have been shit since Ferguson left. There has never been a single year in EPL history where 6 teams could all realistically win it
>Leicester
Leicester showed the year after how much of a fluke that was. They weren't a good team; all the top teams just happened to be shit

Leicester genuinly won that year, I don't even follow a prem team and I started watching their games and they beat teams. They aren't exactly shit now, they just don't have that same star quality after losing a few players to bigger clubs.

And don't tell me about money injection into clubs, how much to Real Madrid pay their players, or how much do Barcelona pay for players? Tell me another club in their league that spends that kind of money. I hate the fact that top football has come down to who owns your club but in England there are more Arab and Russian billionairs who own clubs than in Spain. Which is sad but true.

Barcelona and Real Madrid are real clubs and don't have an owner

>They aren't exactly shit now
They almost got relegated the year after winning the league and are now a straight average club. They any close to competing to a title right now because they league will never be as weak as it was in 2015-16

That doesn't make the league stronger. If anything the EPL is stronger because there are more foreign owners.

Neither of them has won a world cup.

That doesn't stop how much money they spend, they spend as much if not more than the top English prem sides. Some of the benches of Real Madrid or Barcelona would get first team football in England, they are insane.

Yeah but they did lose some players to bigger clubs, it's hard to say no to the kind of money some of these clubs throw around. Even still they are sitting mid table but it's one of those leagues where if you win 3 on the trot then you're right back in their. They are far off top 6 reallt in terms of points.

neither does platini, cruijff, di stefano, puskas or gerrard, and they are all in the GOAT discussion

>Even still they are sitting mid table but it's one of those leagues where if you win 3 on the trot then you're right back in their
Right back in where? They're going nowhere this season. They'll finished between 12th and 8th and continue on being irreverent

But you watch Portugal with a weaker team and see how much Ronaldo performs still in a weak international team, he got them that Euro 2016 title. And then watch Messi in a weaker international team, he can't carry a team like Ronaldo.

>he got them that Euro 2016 title.
Yeah, by missing the one game they played against a good team

>Argentina
>weak

m8

If you mean best player of the 21th century, then you're right.

Champions league, look at Wolves, they have just come up and beating teams. Look at Bournemouth, they have come from nowhere and beat Chelsea 3v0 the other week.

Check our defense, midfield and goalkeeper

I fucking wish we had players like Pepe

Yeah, Higuain and Pavon and Ever Banega. So strong

Their team was shit in the last world cup, Messi looked lost without the delivery. He has no leadership skills.

All the rest of the teams too. Portugal scraped to that final and if it wasn't for Ronaldo they would have never made it.

And where has that put them in the table? Wolves are 11 points off of CL, and Bournemouth 17. The mark of a good team is not a one off victory, it's consistency

Messi is a system babby. Never left his warm bed in Catalonia and almost always crumbles under real pressure. Don't even need to see him in a different league, we can already see what happens when he leaves the system (see Argentina NT).

I can 100% guarantee you that they win the final without Ronaldo

>neither does platini, cruijff, di stefano, puskas or gerrard, and they are all in the GOAT discussion
>gerrard

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You're talking about teams who don't have millions and millions to spend, and Wolves have just been promoted. You can't forget that.

Anglos are very shit at football so in order to win prem you need to rely on forgeiners who are forced to communicate in a secondary language which is proven quite hard

They wouldn't have got there without him though, they were fairly shit for the most part, they just turned it on in the final.

They drew 3 games. The only reason they got through is because UEFA expanded the competition to 24 teams and allowed 3rd placed teams to advance
Oh, wow, a newly promoted team is doing well? Who gives a shit. Burnley finished 7th last year, and for the most part this year they've been fighting to avoid relegation. No consistency. Wolves will get figured out all the same

LeBron has 3 rings
Messi has 0 (zero) rings with Argentina

The NBA has a regular season, then a knock out competition. it would be more fair to equate a ring a League + CL year, which means Messi has 3 as well

A team who just came up is doing well holds no significance? That is a good show for the English leagues, it's anyones game.

No, it isn't "anyone's game" They have no chance at winning the premier league. Stop equating a good season to having a shot at the title. Girona were in the same spot last year as Wolves are this year.

You can’t be the GOAT without international trophies. You can be one of the best ever for sure but that’s as far as it goes. zoomers only started calling the WC a mickey mouse trophy because their favourite players can’t win one

Maybe not the title but top teams can lose points to those teams, which makes those games worth watching. If I watch Real Madrid play a lesser team I can almost guarentee a win for Real Madrid. But any lower team in the EPL can fight for champions league places.

Real Madrid have lost 7 games this season, more than Liverpool and Man City combined

their league is 3 teams, it's Scottish prem on steroids.

So now you're moving the goalposts? You said
>If I watch Real Madrid play a lesser team I can almost guarantee a win for Real Madrid.
I objectively proved you wrong. Now respond to that point either providing new evidence or admitting that you were wrong before I continue

MBappe is the Zion Williamson of football

Real Madrid being one of the 3 teams?

Again, what the fuck does that have to do with that point? I proved that Real Madrid losses to smaller teams more often than the top two English teams combined. You were wrong. Admit it

Real Madrid under bad managent. La Liga becomes a 2 team race. BREAKING NEWS.

They had 6 losses last year, 3x as many as Man City did

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>polarizing players that are a catalyst to many debates on who is the GOAT in their respective sports, as both have accolades and championships to boot.

Yeah I can see that

Bad management.

They won the CL

Like Leicester winning the league, anything can happen in football. But La Liga will never be more than 3 teams.

Anything can happen in a cup competition. Leicester winning the league was mostly down to things out of their control
>But La Liga will never be more than 3 teams.
Which has nothing to do with what we were talking about

What were we talking about I forget?
Leicester won by actually beating the compo. You don't win the prem by getting insane luck that 6 or 7 teams are suddenly shit, they really did win that title.

Messi didn't win championships for your da land

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>You don't win the prem by getting insane luck that 6 or 7 teams are suddenly shit
But that's exactly what happened. Every top team decided to be shit for a year. You don't magically go from being the best team in England to shit if you're actually good instead of just lucky

Lelbron is overrated. He hasn't Euroleague titles. He wouldn't survive to a loudy gymnasium in Belgrade or to a Real Madrid's refball, for example.

By playing yes, but he is also like MJ once a lifetime

Who is the roger federer of footy then?

LeBron is the goat of Basketball
Messi is the goat of Football