*BETTER THAN SCHOLES, LAMPARD AND GERRARD*

top5 midfielders

Supreme Chad, excellent player

Hes very intelligent, last year during the world cup he was working with like 3 TV stations all in different languages

he speaks six and a half languages

I always rate him.

Because he's not a shitty EPL meme.
But anyways, Seedorf was a godtier player but also a godtier lazy shitter who only played whenever he felt like so fuck him.

Also have a vintage meme video
youtube.com/watch?v=d9Kc6KSqk50

One of the few based, technically gifted, winner Ngubus

Compare to the modern day, common, indistinguishable zoomer pacebabby Ngubu(-Smith)s desu

He was not a Ngubu, he was Surinamese which is South American not African.

he's Ajax school, that's why
"Ngubus" you talk of are a product of English school, and English white players are exactly the same
last technically gifted player they had was Joe Cole
they emphasize physicality
so do Africans
race has shit to do with it

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Based Albaniabro

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Surinam is literally africa 2.0, just like Haiti

@91027712
>Albanian humour

You guys all say he's "le based" and all but that's because you all watched him mostly in Champions League and shit and you didn't have him in your club.

This guy's personality was cancer.
For all the skill he had he barely ever used it. His last 5 years at Milan in particular were horrible with him literally not giving a fuck and strolling on the pitch for like half the matches while collecting fat paychecks.

I really don't miss him. If only I could remember his good matches and forget all of the bad shit...but I can't do it.

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You mean "Italian Humour" right?
Because I didn't upload that video it was some Italian back in 2012 who made those funny compilations.

I'd argue Fergie gave both technique and physicality a chance. Made the whole PL step up their level.

Not even Messi and cr7 won a campeonato carioca.

yes, but he still put priority on latter
his ManU played great football, but not like Arsenal of the same period for example (which mostly relied on non-English)
don't get me wrong, there were English players with great technique (Beckham is the most obvious example), but they are rare
and look how Spaniards are dominant now
technique>physicality

Spanish clubs(or should I say Real Madrid) are dominant because other countries dropped the ball over the years.

To say that technique > physicality is underselling it because it's more complex than that.

Based Gini

Why are people still talking about Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard/Seedorf? It'd be like 10 years from now if people constantly made threads about Michael Carrick and James Milner.

of course, it's not just that, but it's a big part of it
Spanish players know how to play with the ball, they are taught
even some random shitters have nice technique
it's not just RM and Barcelona, their teams are doing great in Europe for more than a decade

Customers have been wanking over Carrick for years

He was good, but I would take Gerrard any day of the week over him.

Lampard was a world class player. Smart, with a great shot, good passer, able to dictate the tempo, was the staple of the best Chelsea ever... all around an impressive player.

true but he could also play like shit occassionaly

He wasn’t a proper CM.

Because he's black

>Spanish players know how to play with the ball, they are taught
I don't really buy this though.
The problem is more that other countries(like Italy and England) have become cynical and wanna take shortcuts to success that's all.
And then you have plenty of morons who spend hundreds of millions trying to copy tiki-taka and they're still doing it now(Man City) and failing miserably.

Look at France and Germany, they didn't follow the same route Spain did but they won WC recently.

And to be honest I hate how "schools-y" Spain's football is. Barcelona took it to disgusting levels with their La Masia crap producing robot players who had the same touch of the ball, who received the ball the same way, who passed very similarly etc.

It's like seeing 11 clones of the same player. It's football communism and it disgusts me. There's no expression, there's no joy in football like that. It's cold and it doesn't feel like the players even enjoy the sport.
This is not the football I fell in love with growing up.

But Germany literally won the WC by copying Spain

They literally played nothing like Spain.
It was a typical German team through and through with a bit more technique than usual that's all. Their play-style was direct as usual and couldn't be anymore different from Spain's.

Not to mention that their players didn't have the same identical touch to the ball that almost every Spain player seemed to have since 90% of them came from Barca.

unlucky with the Juve score tonight mate

why would you care if Yea Forums rates a player or not? Seedorf was world class for 20 years, who cares what a few autistic retards on Yea Forums think.

Gerrard was good and the thing is he won a CL basically by himself, which is pretty epic... Clarence only ever played in star studded teams. Lampard? Better scoring rate than Clarence, and at his peak, probably a better player. But Clarence did it for longer, in more positions, with more teams, in more countries.

As for Scholes... they're about equal. If scholes was Spanish you wouldn't be saying this.

He was a better player than Davids.

plus that 2010/11 AC Milan shirt is kino AS FUCK

Seedorf was one of those players that everyone claimed was very good but never actually had a good game. Rich man's Abou Diaby, less marketable Yaya Toure

>>Spanish players know how to play with the ball, they are taught
>I don't really buy this though.
It's true though. Look at defenders from any other league before Tiki Taka. They were all afraid to touch the fucking ball in the back. Ricardo Osorio got to win a Bundesliga because he was one of the few non elite defenders that could play the ball out of the back.

>It's true though.
It's not though
>Look at defenders from any other league before Tiki Taka. They were all afraid to touch the fucking ball in the back.
Beckenbauer, Baresi, Nesta, Costacurta, Kalaze, Maldini, Sammer, Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Desailly, Rijkaard, Zanetti etc. the list goes on and on.
And most defenders back then were far better on the ball on average, that they didn't all take part on the offensive game is another matter(tactically) but they possessed those skills.

It's just another urban legend that Spain invented the ball playing defender just like it's an urban legend that they created the sweeper keeper.

Makelele, Vieira, Yaya, and Pogba are better

But Kessie is still playing?

>yaya
>pogba

nice one epl shitter

None of those are the same kind of player Seedorf is.
Vieira comes the closest to him in terms of talent. Makelele was just black Gattuso. Pogba is a meme. Yaya Toure is more of a box-to-box player.

>unlucky with the Juve score tonight mate
Are you seriously accusing me of being a Juvefag?
LMAO.

Kessie is nothing like Seedorf, he's more like Muntari at this point lmao.

he cucked ronaldo in inter

Toure was much more talented than Viera. Not that Vieira wasn't quality, but Toure's two-footedness, shooting, set pieces and crosses were phenomenal. And, a bit like Seedorf, he was capable of playing multiple positions effectively, but didn't always feel like doing it.

kek

He speaks Portuguese with almost no accent. You can hear the accent but when you compare his to other foreigners his accent is great

He's based
youtube.com/watch?v=nGcgALUI9Ms

What did he say?

That Ganso would flop on Europe, our media used to meme him at the time.

They asked him if the player Ganso was good enough to play in Italy or in Italian football and Seedorf said that in his current state he wouldn't be good. He said that the marking is different and he has a lot of talent but he said that he is too slow on the pitch for European football with the current rhythm he wouldn't cut it in Europe but with the talent he has if put more intensity he would be a more special player.

Our most famous commentator talks about pirlo and says he wasn't a pacy guy. He made the ball run for him.

Seedorf says that he alsos makes the ball run and that pirlo looks slow but he is fast and it depends on the position. Pirlo plays more in the back. He says is ganso going to play in front of the defense? That would be okay but he is going to play more in the front. In Europe the marking is very strong in the area that he plays. Or do you become more dynamic or it becomes harder

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*or in European football

Continuing. I forgot to say that "our most famous commentator" said that very few players are like seedorf and he says that he also likes to make the ball run.

Continuing from where I ended. Someone mentions zidane being slower and seedorf is like "no no no no it looks like that but no he is very dynamic" on the other hand ganso plays stops the ball then plays stops the ball

Real question is why doesn't the media ever rate him. He is only ever brought up in the odd mention of
>players winning the CL at multiple clubs
What? Do they think it was a coincidence?
Does he still get flak for the shit storm with the Netherlands national team?

Someone should sub that video for gringos, it's kino

He caused a major upset in Cameroon, where he's coaching now, because he doesn't want to field any players in his team that play in China

Vieira could play as Anchor and as box-to-box and could play anywhere in midfield + he was more of a leader.
Also played a key role in France winning Euro.

>Pirlo ran more
Bullcrap.
Ganso pre-injury could have played as regista in Europe with bodyguards just like Pirlo did.

Pirlo was nothing special.

>this autistic albanian milan costumer

I really enjoyed it when B sacked this cunt.
He was such a terrible coach being bailed out by Balotelli diving for PK's in several matches.

Someone posts that crazy long shot with crazy spinning effect that misleaded the GK

Based

Fucking idiot.
Seedorf is cancer. He got sacked by a Chinese Team and still whines about Milan (rightfully)sacking him years ago.

seedorf was right though.

This is a dumb take, Ganso was never really a speedster. In the early 00s and 90s, he could have been something special as a classic 10, but nowadays, you can't just be an attacking midfielder with nothing else. You have to be able to either help the rest of the midfield via tracking back, and having some ability as a CMF, or you have to be a forward of some kind as well.

Also, the part about Pirlo being nothing special...lmao, him leaving Milan for Juve was the beginning of Juve's seemingly eternal domination of the league. Zlatan ain't shit without a proper midfield.

Right about what?
He was a retard that talked shit about Allegri and said stupid shit like "I will be the Anti-virus" and then he utterly shat the bed.

He was such an arrogant idiot, he burned bridges with the whole damn team as soon as he came.

He will never be a good manager.

Which is why I said he could played as a "regista" you dumb argie. Regista was the spot where your precious faggot Pirlo played.

Spoken like a retard who knows nothing.
Pirlo was nothing special. Juve's dominance had nothing to do with him whatsoever considering he left and they still kept winning and reached another final.
We also saw how "special" he was when he was humiliated in Euro 2012 final.

Zlatan literally made Nocerino and Boateng look like decent players, he made Nocerino score 12 goals in a single season.
Milan would have won 2011/12 scudetto if not for the Muntari incident and 3 other goals being wrongly disallowed in 3 different other matches which led to 8 points in total being robbed in the process.

Anyways, the only mistake we did with Pirlo was keeping him that long. Wish we would have sold the wanker to Chelsea in 2008.

he was right about 3/4 of the team needing to leave to achieve anything

Literally anyone could see that.
But calling your team shit openly is not what managers are supposed to do.

I love this clip so much. Based Seedorf

>tfw when you can never have a good milan or italian football thread because albanian autists shits over each one

>dictate tempo

He roamed behind the striker. The midfielders behind him dictated the tempo

That Germany team took Pep's Bayern style

Im racist and I still cant hate this based man

that team with him and Lodeiro was good to watch

>because he doesn't want to field any players in his team that play in China
And I thought I couldn't like Clarence more

Absolutely based

Seedorf is one of the most based athletes out there, its impossible not to rate him.

Albanian is a good poster, he probably knows more about /seriea/ than all the other posters. He's a bit extreme in his ideas but he's right when he said Seedorf had been shit in championship because he committed himself only in very important matches.