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Grunge isn't even a real thing so I don't know how you could say that.
Shit ranking tho, nirvana are trash

cringe

melvins on top and mudhoney swapped with alice in chains and you got yerself a correct

i can accept this ranking.

>contrarians: the thread

What's your ranking?

Based, Nirvana rules

smart man

Why do we hate Pearl Jam?

cause they were literally the industry plant of the bunch

they're basically a post-grunge band. so are stone temple pilots.

100% accurate

STP were the industry plants, they were an LA rock band the labels pushed under the guise of a grunge band because it was the hot new thing.
PJ were Seattle scene spearheads under a new name

nirvana is a punk band

Nirvana has a better singer, better drummer, better bassist, better production, and as far as the music goes- Nirvana has a better good song to shit song ratio.

God Tier: Melvins, Soundgarden
Top Tier: AIC, Pearl Jam
Mid Tier: Screaming Trees, Mudhoney
Low Tier: Nirvana, MLB
Shit Tier: STP
FACT!!

based. literally the only fault in nirvana is that the guitarwork is fairly basic

lol
All this is wrong, except maybe production

swap pearl jam and nirvana and i can accept this

Nirvana was some good example of music that had already been out there and still is. It broadened the range of cash-sucking because the hair-band fanbase was ageing out.

Then everything in de-tuned guitars was signed like a fuckin plague, but at least we got Tool out of that.

"Is it live or is it Vig" it was amazing at the time and became normal.

honestly yeah, though i'd maybe move soundgarden down to top tier as well since they kinda went downhill after badmotorfinger

tool is shit

let's dissect this
youtube.com/watch?v=2A4a3mplXPo

Right off the bat- the album cover is shit. Looks more suited for a contemporary christian band than grunge

The reverb on the vocals and drums just sounds exaggerated and cheezy

The vocals are just plain studid. I mean who gives a fuck about this jeremy kid doing a school presentation.

they still have some alright stuff after badmotorfinger. superunknown and down on the upside both have some of their finest songs, but the albums themselves are fairly hit-or-miss. mailman off superunknown and pretty noose off down on the upside are both really fantastic

fair, though i also thought that epic records kinda helped put pearl jam together for the sake of capitalizing on the scene, though in a much less blatant money-grubbing way than stp

"grunge" was just the Seattle underground rock scene from like 85 to 95. You're telling me Nirvana and Soundgarden sound that much alike?

If I'm a contrarian, you're a conformist.

if he's a conformist, then i'm a contortionist

moreso than alice in chains and nirvana

The scene didn't produce much capital when Pearl Jam were coming together, their Ten came out before Nevermind.
The "scene" at the time from a mainstream perspective was basically just Soundgarden and AIC who were still pretty low level.

Layne Staley was a hell of a singer- but his voice is very nasally
Dave Grohl is objectively a far better drummer both technically and creatively. He knew how to write a fuckin drum hook unlike the dude from AIC and he can fuckin shred like Bonham
youtube.com/watch?v=utYq-AIJSbg

Christ Noveselic is incredibly underrated on bass and if you actually listen to his basslines- they're paul mccartney tier- unlike AIC where it's all fuckin root notes
youtube.com/watch?v=W9yc_U_Jnlk

Just listen to the bass at 1:16 and tell me that's not a great fuckin bass riff

God: Soundgarden
Top: Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains
Mid: STP, MLB, Mudhoney
Low: Screaming Trees
Shit: Nirvana, Melvins

someone post the template for this; i can't find it anywhere

I agree that Krist is a great bassist but Nirvana and AIC also played wildly different styles of rock music. I don't think the kind of playing you praise him and Dave for would have been appropriate for AIC.

That said, one of their biggest songs is driven by bass and drums: youtu.be/Nco_kh8xJDs

Also, Layne's voice is not "nasally" at all. I have no idea what you're on about there.

>his voice is very nasally
Kurt's is very nasally too and he doesn't open his mouth enough sometimes so it's muffled, he has a good tone when he screams. They're not that different really, I prefer Layne and his harmonies were amaing
>Dave Grohl is objectively a far better drummer both technically and creatively
Maybe, Though there are two songs in Nevermind were he enters the song with the same drumroll into the same drumbeat.
>AIC where it's all fuckin root notes
wrong, you're not paying attention
desu all the bass players in the big 4 were great

op here :)
pearl jam, mother love bone, and stone temple pilots are all trash. soundgarden in god tier is pretty patrician but all your other rankings are pretty shitty takes.

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youtube.com/watch?v=-1K7tkLwMO4
I mean it's not bad, it works for the music, but I just find his tone nasally personally.

I guess ya'll are right that the styles wouldn't have worked. But I just wanted to shed some light on the fact that the rhythm section of Nirvana was actually pretty fucking badass because everyone only talks about Kurt Cobain and sees Nirvana as a band that had little skill on their instruments

kurt's vocals are better. he probably would've been able to do any aic song better than layne.
now soundgarden's a different story though. i prefer cobain's voice personally, but cornell's vocals cannot be matched by anyone. it'd be impossible to cover soundgarden adequately unless you completely changed the song.

Kurt's voice on the other hand to me was the fuckin tone. It sounds like the perfect cross between psycho hillbilly and drugged out surfer to me Layne Staley just sounds like Jack Black with better range

Fucking agreed. Chris Cornell was on a different fucking level

youtube.com/watch?v=30KIAZK4148

For me, it's Alice In Chains. The best grunge band. I even call my local FM station and ask for extra AIC and the staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.

One time I called and asked for AIC and they played me three of their songs in a row. I said, "Wow, three for AIC!" and the nice friendly radio DJ laughed and said, "I'm going to call you 3-for-AIC!".

Now the staff greets me with "hey it's 3-for-AIC!" and ALWAYS give me three AIC songs of my choosing. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local FM station, I call up there at least 3 times a week during midday, 1-2 times in the morning, and maybe once at night when I'm tired but want a great song that has just the right combination of heaviness, melody, and angsty disillusionment to help me fall asleep.

I even listen to AIC with all my friends, they’re fantastic! What a great band.

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>No Dragonforce on God tier list.

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>I just wanted to shed some light on the fact that the rhythm section of Nirvana was actually pretty fucking badass because everyone only talks about Kurt Cobain
Well, they definitely talk about Dave, too, lol, I mean that guy has been fronting a pretty popular band for like 20 years. But I agree Krist gets SADLY overlooked.

Every single one of those "bands" are shit-tier

krist novoselic is my favorite living nirvana member

>babbys first metal band

Nailed it.

*cough*

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I love all kinds of shit that everyone seems to think is related to or similar to Tool. I have friends with respectable taste that like Tool... I've tried and I just cant. I honestly don't get it.

>not recognizing Yea Forums heritage.

based and TADpilled

I don't get how someone could actually listen to Melvins, Mudhoney, or AiC and still think Nirvana was good

kek

OP HERE THIS IS GENUINELY REALLY BASED

Goddamn he was really scrawny under all that flannel

i googled his height and weight and i'm taller than him and weigh less wtf

Have you listened to anything Nirvana made besides smells like teen spirit and come as you are

Why are you typing in my style.

>Have you listened to anything Nirvana made besides smells like teen spirit and come as you are
That's how I know they were garbage across the board

>novoselic
>underrated
yeah no, stop falling for the retarded nirvana meme. here's your actual underrated bass player.
youtube.com/watch?v=d8yrUo3wIiw

because i'm a kgb agent with a chip planted inside your mind that tells me how to type

well I can't deny it, that's groovy as fuck

killer bassist, but STP were not grunge

What have you listened to specifically? Any full albums?

Jesus fuck, this always happens. Nevermind was the first CD I ever bought on my own, In Utero a few years later. I've skimmed Bleach and Incesticide and listened to pretty much every "DUDE, THIS SONG THO" that gets posted. I've also heard Unplugged. Nirvana sucked, you either outgrow it when you develop different taste in music or when you get into all the bands that Kurt ripped off.

sounds to me like you just bought and enjoyed 3 records from a good band and then changed your opinion later on because
>le t shirt band!! xD

I could hardly ever make it past Polly on Nevermind, and I only got In Utero cuz of Heart Shaped Box (which I'll at least admit to still liking). Whatever helps you cope with your garbage taste, bud.

>soundgarden
fucking hell, end me

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I mean it's just been loved by hundreds of millions of people for the last 30 years but you know yea, I'm the one with garbage taste

>appeal to popularity
oof

Not just you, millions of you. Enjoy that garbage though :)

I mean I think you can generally gage good music by if it sticks around for multiple decades. If it's really a shitty fad it won't make it past 3. Otherwise there's no way I can convince you to like music you don't like

post top 5 artists right now you faggot

im the guy you replied to with this post. I’m not any of the other seething fags replying to you. I love Nirvana but you gave it more than a chance. It’s fine if it’s not something you’re interested in

jesus christ dude why are you falling for this shit

nevermind is full of hit songwriting, and in utero is like half hits, half purposefully dissonant insanity

i love alice in chains, but kurt was clearly the superior songwriter

Still grunge though. Very similar sound/ethos.

Thanks, I probably wouldn't be such a dick in the replies if I had gotten a response like this from the beginning

According to Spotify it's David Bowie, Megadeth, Depeche Mode, Candlemass, and Clutch. Hope that helps you feel better.

i really love cobain’s lyrical style too. it was very distinct with its use of... medical imagery

Very safe. Nirvana, AiC, Melvins and Soundgarden had those real heavy riffs to hook you. Pearl Jam was basically Vedder's band, the riffs just lacked the grit.

>kurt was clearly the superior songwriter
Kurt has a higher plagiarism ratio than Green Day

0/10.
No one ever really complains about Vedder's role in the band. In fact I think his role carried that band.

Are you kidding?
They definitely had similarities with the direction they went with sound.

he’s pretty and puts dancing butterflies in my ears, so he can get away with it

Cornell reminds me of the singer from Creedance... yet plays something verging on metal and punk.

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No, I'm not kidding. Nirvana was a punk/alternative band, Soundgarden were a kind-of-psychedelic Hard Rock/Metal act.

If you're not from Washington, you're not grunge. If there's a case to be made for grunge being a genre and not a scene, make it now.
>similar ethos
u wot?

I actually don't like his rip offs. His better songs were like "negative creep" with the riffs. The actual structured songs with chords, other than Come as you are and Lithium, kinda felt held back.

>kind-of-psychedelic Hard Rock/Metal act.
Have you heard "come as you are"?
That's pretty new wavey/ psychedelic.
2bh grunge constantly sounds more like a mix of shoegaze and sludge to me.

see It was a sound.
It didn't start that way though. It just turned into a sound and that sound was something between shoegaze and sludge.

>better singer

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>negative creep
Come on, user. That's Kurt playing Mudhoney riffs and trying to sound like Killing Joke. Kinda reinforcing my point about the shameless plagiarism

Mudhoney's riffs were never that good though. He took it more a melvins direction.
Then he put those riffs into a pop structure and wrote abrasive lyrics.

Oh and too add, he did this "watery thing" with the chorus/flanger and the distortion.
Hence why this scene verged constantly on shoegaze rather than metal.

>Mudhoney's riffs were never that good though
Good enough to be FUCKING PLAGIARIZED by Kurtlos Mencia

>It didn't start that way though
I doubt many people in this thread even know how grunge started. How many of you have even heard of Green River or Skin Yard?

He didn't though. He plagiarised Melvins and The Police if anything.

What about the Australian "grunge" that existed in the early 80's?

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The Police? Were you trying to write The Pixies?

There's entire journal entries with artists that Kurt was "influenced" by, any passing glance at any of those artists shows how unoriginal Kurt was and how much of his sound was copied.

Nope.
Listen to fucking come as you are.
There's literally police in that sound.

Fuck off. All artists need a map to get to a new unexplored part.

>unexplored part
Kurt didn't invent shit and only influenced streamline garbage

Stp better than all of those

Fuck off he didn't. He combined shoegaze, punk and sludge into what became "grunge" especially with smells like teen spirit.
You're in denial because you're brain can't handle the fact that a popular artist created a sound.

Holy fuck, I'm laughing so hard at this

I think we can all agree Dave Abbruzzese carried Pearl Jams live shows, V.S and Vitalogy. He made them at least good tier

Boo hoo, an artist was influenced by the pixies and the beatles, wow how shocking

>Kurt
>better vocalist than Layne and Jerry
no

or Malfunkshun, Swallow, or Mr Epp?

Layne Staley has the strongest fucking voice in his prime.

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