Why are the Strokes remembered as being so important and groundbreaking...

hey man these guys don't have jack shit in common with The Stooges.

>Strokes remembered as being so important and groundbreaking
said no one
ever

>The Brian Jonestown Massacre and Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
The guys in those bands are all ugly as fuck and their songs aren't as catchy.

They are critically remembered as being the most important band in rock at the time by a country mile. Which isn't true, but it is the way that's presented as a retrospective history.

How were they groundbreaking?

Which one of the Strokes are cute? Listen to Vacuum Boots and Love Burns.

Because the bands that came after (Killers, Artic Monkeys etc.) cited them as a huge influence

That's not my opinion but it is critical opinion if you were covering rock at the time. Here's a quick little collage of what I'm talking about.

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The Killers formed in 2001. Wouldn't you consider them peers?

Beyond that I think of the Arctic Monkeys as being an extremely British band.

I saw an interview with Brandon Flowers. He said after listening to Is This It for the first time, he and the band scrapped every one of their songs other than Mr. Brightside.
The new AM album opens with the line 'I just wanted to be one of the Strokes'.

The Killers biggest hit Mr Brightside was more Britpop than Garage, although the rest of the Album's songs are Strokes influenced . I would say they are kind of a weird mix of The Oasis and The Strokes

Ooops you didn't answer my question!

Try again?

welp
since there are no sources Im assuming that you are taking your music news from twitter

You guys are too dumb to do anything other than post here. I literally searched the terms "groundbreaking" and "strokes band" on Google and got the results I wanted from SPIN, Rolling Stone, RYM, the NY post, and some Australian publication.

I'm not trying to make the case that they're groundbreaking, read the fucking OP post you mouthbreathers. I'm saying that they receive(d) a groundswell of serious critical adoration that I believe was earned through false pretenses and I'd like to know why.

>Why are the Strokes remembered as being so important and groundbreaking?
They were important because they got mainstream attention in a time where Nu Metal and buttrock (post-grunge) was everything radio played to you. Their music was a bit of trash air at the time, Garage rock wasn't that important since late 70s.
Groundbreaking? No. I love the Strokes but there's nothing new about their sound.
>What was it that enabled them to hog all the attention away from bands like The Brian Jonestown Massacre and Black Rebel Motorcycle Club?
I don't know, maybe the average rock listener at the time was more attracted to the Strokes' sound. Brian Jonestown is a niche band anyway, people who aren't into Psychedelic rock would have a hard time getting into them.

marketing, I mean look at those jeans and jackets with the scruffy hair styles. These guys were far more rentable than a bunch of morose dudes dressed all in black or some drugged out pretentious Jim Morrison wannabe. I think also that they were a refreshing change from the oh so dull state of British indie in the post-britpop phase.

>fresh air
Goddamit I miss my computer.

>read the fucking OP post you mouthbreathers
OK let's see
>Why are the Strokes remembered as being so important and groundbreaking?
So I guess I have to repeate myself:
Why are they so groundbreaking, since you are making that claim?

from best to worst looking:
Nick >> Julian > Fabrizzio >> Albert >>>> the bassist (Nikolai?)

>I mean look at those jeans and jackets with the scruffy hair styles.
Not even in 2001 they were the only debut band to dress like that. Looks was important to the band yes but that's not why Strokes got big.

Let me point you to my previous post:
>I'm not trying to make the case that they're groundbreaking, read the fucking OP post you mouthbreathers. I'm saying that they receive(d) a groundswell of serious critical adoration that I believe was earned through false pretenses and I'd like to know why.

>>I'm not trying to make the case that they're groundbreaking
You just stated it as fact
>Why are the Strokes remembered as being so important and groundbreaking?

Make up your mind

They pretty much kickstarted the whole post punk revival, as bad as it was. They weren’t really that groundbreaking but imo they’re pretty great songwriters

they're dressed just like the Black Rebel Motorcycle Club.

Who by the way wouldn't crack my top 50 favorite bands or anything, I just think there's a lot of great rock music from that era that didn't seem to get propped up like The Strokes did.

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Just google "the strokes" and "groundbreaking" and you just receive one real result, from some rando NZ website called beat.com

You are probably mistaken

This. At the end of the day the Strokes just made great pop tunes. Is This It sounds new in almost 20 years of existence, it's the perfect soundtrack for getting wasted/high with your friends in a big city.

>Post Punk
They were Garage Rock, Post Punk is a different genre

Post-punk isn't their main genre but it's undeniable that there are Post-punk elements to their sound. They were influenced a lot by New Wave, which is just Post-punk without edge.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you genuinely don't get what I'm trying to say in good faith.

Here's my thesis: It's the general consensus that The Strokes are an extremely important and even original band. That's what critical opinion both then and now has put forward. It's not obvious to me as an independent music listener why this band was showered with such high praise and I'm looking for some context.

WHAT I SUSPECT IS: NYC-based culture writers have inflated the importance, overall quality, and reputation of this band--and the next generation have enforced those glowing endorsements as being justified.

WHAT I'LL ALSO BE WILLING TO CONSIDER: that there is something truly unique that sets The Strokes apart from other bands on the scene at that time.

Really not trying to flame you here, just trying to convey what I'm trying to understand.

I would say they tow the line. They're a lot more morose and melodic than a lot of garage rock, but are way less detached than a lot of post punk acts.

>jeans with a suit jacket over a hoodie or t shirt
fuck man, I remember being 16. Also was this fucking shirt popular in the States or was it just a Britbong thing. I distinctly remember going to Reading and EVERYONE was wearing them, boys and girls alike. pic related looks like a more modern take on this "style"

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See

It's true I've never heard of Beat.com but I would consider Rolling Stone, Spin, and the NY Post as being publications of record. The discussion on RYM also enforces that at least some other people are aware that the Strokes are extremely well-liked by critics.

A lot of girls in the US wore shirts and jackets that kinda looked like military fatigues a few years ago. Not really boys though.

>but I would consider Rolling Stone, Spin, and the NY Post as being publications of record.
Did not come up on my search. Argo, it is not a commonly held belief
>The discussion on RYM is gospel
There's your problem

>"groundbreaking" and "strokes band"
maybe you just spend too much time sucking dick

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Are they still popular? Not as big as The Strokes but still caused a lot of waves in 2001. Other bands who were big at that time and I think are still going, with moderate success:
>Yeah Yeah Yeahs
>White Stripes (split up recently but stayed big)
>Interpol
>???
>Franz Ferdinand?
>The Vines?

They were influenced by it but were still "Rock" enough

Although most of Modern Pop are kinda influenced by Post Punk Besides R&B/Soul, Madonna and Prince came from the New Wave scene after all

I didn't search the terms in quotes, I just searched:

groundbreaking strokes band

> I dont know what quotes are for
its even less impressive without them gayboy. go back to sucking the dick

>itt: faggots crying about muh plants

I would say all of those bands have been reduced to ash at this point. Especially Interpol, the party line on them is that they never did anything after their debut.

without the quotation marks the first results are literally what I was talking about earlier but if you're going to give up out of confused frustration that's fine. You obviously don't understand OP's question or can't answer it.

Soudns like the problem is you don't know how google works

So I'll just answer your question -- No one thought they were groundbreaking. Maybe one writer in New Zealand because he's never heard Television or w/e. They certainly do not have a reputation of being groundbreaking because they didn't actually break any ground. They were just adding some sort of stripped down element and punk ethos to mainstream rock, which had started to vanish with nu-metal and created pop music. That's why people "liked" them. But no one worth their salt thought they were groundbreaking.

But as stated earlier, these kids had major connections and were essentially trust find models, and a PR machine was built to push them anyways. So that was a factor of how they were delivered to the populace and marketed. But with that said, if it wasn't a breath of fresh air for the populace, they wouldn't have bitten anyways.

>OP's question
good one.
also, maybe you are using a special dicklovers version of google that the rest of us dont know about.

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not the guy you're replying to but it's obv that you're getting hung up on the term "ground breaking" and whatever you specifically deem that term to mean. I think OPs question is zoomer-tier but I think there are more than a few credible personalities who considered the Strokes to be both pretty original.

but those same writers were only too happy to say they understood where the Strokes were coming from with their sound. this thread is a clusterfuck

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>not the guy you're replying to but it's obv that you're getting hung up on the term "ground breaking" a
I am because it's specifically state din the OP, and I find that incorrect.
>but I think there are more than a few credible personalities who considered the Strokes to be both pretty original.
Like who?

The Hives were not a big deal in the United States but tick tick boom did get on the radio.

search "groundbreaking band stroke" and find out

Some bumbfuck in NZ is not a credible personality, sorry.

Bjm is better than the strokes

some douche on rym and some douche in australia
boy you suck at this.

Well I am the guy who was talking to you and I can take or leave that specific term. I'm just using it as a stand-in for any single word that is used when someone is trying to convey that something is really, truly special.

And more or less you answered the question I was trying to get to the bottom of a post or two ago:
>But as stated earlier, these kids had major connections and were essentially trust find models, and a PR machine was built to push them anyways. So that was a factor of how they were delivered to the populace and marketed. But with that said, if it wasn't a breath of fresh air for the populace, they wouldn't have bitten anyways.

Basically the only way that zoom-zooms (like me) can navigate music released before we were born is to rely on critical opinion, and at the risk of outing myself as a retard, it wasn't clear to me how much of critical opinion is full of bias, and an insanely huge scoop of hegemony.

>Linkin Park SOAD Evanescence Nickelback Green Day all sell 10M+ Albums in the 2000's
>The only Garage Revival Album to sell nearly anything close was Hot Fuss and even that only sold 7M
>Music "Experts" still reinstates the false narrative of how the Strokes and White Stripes were "Only big bands of the 2000's"

Try "Groundbreaking band strokers"

Man I was thinking the same thing. Anton Newcombe is a monster songwriter.

Actually I was 7 when Is This It? came out but the same rule applies, considering that most people don't start actually discovering music for themselves until they're at least older teens.

Because Is This It? made rock respectable again, after years of boring post-grunge and post-Britpop dominating. I'd also add that at the time people were also sick of nu metal, but nu metal has aged quite well and people are nostalgic for it these days.

BJM has tons of catchy songs, though

BJM has no less than 3 10/10 records. Massively underappreciated.

try lurking more stupid faggot

Turner was mostly interested in the strokes, but I don't think their music had a huge influence on him beyond maybe the first album, he's just a big fan.

They are industry plants

Anyone who is based and redpilled will know that pic were the best band of the early 2000s garage rock movement.

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Alright, well, as someone who was in his early 20s and working in college radio when The Strokes hit, I can tell you there was a hype that was a relief that there was a barrage of these more stripped down "authentic" bands. The media called them "The THE Bands" because they all had Thes on the name. Not only was it The Strokes, but also The Hives and The White Stripes.

But as someone who had just discovered Wire, Television and The Velvet Underground a year prior, it just seemed like a rehash to me. I was glad that at least people were burring nu-metal and the parade of crated pop music, but I remember locking myself into the station's production studio and listening to Is This It to hear what all the hype was about. And when it finished, I was literally like "...is this it??" Because it was just fucking nothing.

And then when you do the research, they were trust fund kids who had a record deal before they even played their first show. Kinda garbage. At least The White Stripes had the cred to back them.

I think it's important to remember The Strokes are probably hailed as the first of the wave of The THE bands (read early 200s Garage Rock Revival) and that's what makes them "important". But less so than the "movement" itself, which showed that the same trends come and go--- a rock n roll rebirth of simplicity and authenticity, then it is exploited by the mainstream. Then something comes along breaks that with it's simplicity and authenticity, which is in turn exploited again. It never ends.

try "band stroke groundbreaking"

damn you sound boring asf nigga

next question: When will music be stripped-down and exciting again because everything is so fucking boring and slow now. like every hit song is like 85bpm

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Based

eww there's a nigger in the libertines???

Didn't they get signed on a demo they recorded. Even if they hadn't played a live show record label could see the potential that "Last Nite" had as a hit, which it was. But yeah the fact that they were rich and had connections helped.

yeah they were really important because they took all the cool rock music coming out of America and infused it with British gayness.

they didn't reinstate shit. Everybody who is not a zoomer knows that The Strokes were considered "underground", "cool" at the time. It wasn't about masses, but it was popular.

Interesting question, because it's loaded.

1)
The problem is that the mainstream will most likely never embrace a rock-based mass movement again, because the music industry finds it easier to create and push electronic-based artists because it's easier to market, create and control the artists. But also, because of the way the internet is able to cater to any specific sub demographic, there will no longer be these "shared" mass musical movements that shape everything.

2)
With that said, the more "authentic"/stripped down stuff already exists and is out there, ready to be found locally. You just have to look for, and it won't be a mass movement because of the reasons previously stated.

I'd go so far as to say they've never released a bad record. Boring? Maybe. Aimless? Maybe. But bad? Not at all. All the BJM is listenable.

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The Strokes and White Stripes had artistic merit while most of tge nu metal crap catered to edgy teens and scene girls
Everyone would give you weird looks if you still listen to that tripe today

>The Oasis
nigger...

It kinda already happened with Adele, she was seen as a refreshing Old School Soul singer back when everyone else was either Electropop, Post MJ R&B or Pop Rap, all "Overly Produced" compared to her

Even Taylor got popular because she seemed less over the top than Gaga and Katy Perry

Those are all created pop stars, user

The Strokes are to Television what Greta Van Fleet is to Led Zeppelin. It's honestly embarrassing

Amy Winehouse happened too but it was an isolated incident, not a movement. Unsure about your position.

>your position
???

They came out a full 6 years after Jonestown, and are not remotely comparable. Probably most fans of early Jonestown wouldnt be into them. I give the Strokes credit for at least looking like a rock band.

I've vaguely heard of the Strokes, never heard anything from the others. Are they any good?

Take It From the Man by BJM is an incredible record
Couple awesome song on the first Black Rebel Motorcycle Club album, check out the opener Love Burns.

Brian Jonestown Massacre is my favorite band
archive.org/details/PolPotsPleasurePenthouse
Here's a free bootleg of them I enjoy
BRMC are altight too. Juat alright, though.

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Regardless of how post punk they were they had. A massive influence on its revival

I am 35 and don't remember them being very important. Is that a perception young people have of them?

"Is this it" in 2001 was released before the music industry crashed, when Britney, Boy Bands, Numetal bands were breaking album sale records, selling a lot, and it was only a platinum album. It was less commercially successfull than Ok Computer or Kid A.

I would say they were the first example of an indie band that doesnt sell a lot and is vintage without any original musical idea being considered great by Pitchforkmedia. That is their importance. The first sign of rock becoming not mainstream.

i thought the white stripes were the ones remembered like that

The strokes are fucking good.

can you actually shut the fuck up you're even more retarded than OP

Not an argument

The White Stripes are so fucking good though. They had more personality than the Strokes and I think seemed less cool as a result. Elephant, Get Behind Me Satan, and White Blood Cells are in incredible. I'd recommend cherry-picking their other three.

samefagging wont save you

nu-metal has not aged well, tard. it's just still popular with edgelord teens

but those are all still shit

Jack White is an exceptionally unique musical talent, and like The Strokes, The White Stripes are a band that you can point to a thousand influences, but at the end of the day are inimitable.

The Strokes are greater than the sum of their parts but Jack White is a once-in-a-lifetime dude.

not samefagging. just want the guy to shut up. try replying to and some of OP's posts and i'll screenshot that only gets a (You).

You want the guy who was posting like two hours ago to shutup even after the conversation ended?

fucking hell, the vines is a name i have not heard in a loooooong time

he eventually gave a decent reply in but man he was being obtuse about it for a long time

In hindsight The Strokes and Pitchfork as a whole was the worst thing that ever happened to Rock, all what it did was create a huge divide between Rock fans as a whole that the genre never recovered from, not even the Punk/Prog or Hair/Grunge divide was this bad as those fanbases eventually made peace with each other while the Indie/"Buttrock" divide is still huge even nearly two decades later

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>Indie/"Buttrock" divide is still huge even nearly two decades later
PRO-TIP: That has existed since the 70s you imbecile

Pitchfork did not help break The Strokes because they were still based in Chicago at the time. Nobody at that office at the time gave a shit about The Strokes, they didn't know what to do about it. The Strokes and other NYC music stuff was part of the reason I suggest we started opening up bureaus, which Ryan and I eventually did.

I am talking about the modern definition of those words
Buttrock went from "Hypersexual bands" to "The Bands that the Jock who bullied me listens to", people even refer to Imagine Dragons as Buttrock despite not being sexual at all

in the 90s alternative rock artists critics loved were selling millions, there was no divide
nine inch nails, tori amos, radiohead, bjork, smashing pumpkins etc were platinum or multiplatinum musicians

even portishead, massive attack, pj harvey etc sold pretty well

when I think of a typical pitchfork album, I think of a predominance of acoustic instruments, lack of virtuosity, especially in singing (singing softly instead of singers having a big range and powerfully belting high notes), and no hard rock, no electric guitar solos. Sufjan Stevens would be a typical example.

That's true of P4K like a decade ago but now they just jerk off morose electronic producers and any person of color that does anything. Anything.

Pop music is in a shitty place right now and indie music is in a worse place.

yeah I remember reading an interview once where Alex said they tried to sound different from The Strokes

I gotta say though, of all the famous people I've met in real life, Julian was the most chill and humble seeming. Really quiet actually. Maybe it was because he looked super hungover/medicated. Can't say that about the others.