You guys have a lot of fascinating quotes, are there any good books about true anecdotes about composers? Shittalking, rivalries, encounters, inspirations, etc
This is what we have now: youtube.com/watch?v=sIcgXFPIwnA&t=26s Madness. Chaos. Degeneracy. Decadence. Thank you Beethoven, Thank you. From the bottom of our hearts, thank you for destroying western civilization.
Adrian Adams
personally I prefer Bach's "WTC 7"
Cooper Lopez
>forget the two world wars and forget america, it was all ludwig's fault
I'm a complete newb when it comes to classical (i've really only listened to the popular pieces) but 80% of the time the music is so grand and beautiful that it makes me burst into tears right away do other people have this as well or am i just a huge fag
Hey, this music is from classical genre. Someone must know it, right?
Logan Walker
sounds like britten's war requiem
Asher Rogers
What is your favorite piece expressing a genuine hatred for black people?
Tyler Russell
That isn't very contrarian actually, it's a regular opinion. Like saying the Romantic period was the best one. You see it all the time. A contrarian opinion would be to say mozart didn't get opera or something
Benjamin Hughes
parsifal
Benjamin Gonzalez
Medieval music is basically just a LARP. Also its caveman tier. Maybe you meant renaissance and you were too much of a brainlet to realize it.
could someone please explain the connection here? is the logic supposed to be "Beethoven => Romanticism => Excess of emotion and dissonance => Modernism => Black Metal"?
Hey, that's a pretty good album. The drummer went onto better things with Ruins of Beverast though.
Team Liszt! We won't discuss their composing merits though. Franz was not only a master virtuoso but an extremely generous guy. Adding to his reputation was the fact that Liszt gave away much of his proceeds to charity and humanitarian causes in his whole life. In fact, Liszt had made so much money by his mid-forties that virtually all his performing fees after 1857 went to charity. While his work for the Beethoven monument and the Hungarian National School of Music are well known, he also gave generously to the building fund of Cologne Cathedral, the establishment of a Gymnasium at Dortmund, and the construction of the Leopold Church in Pest. There were also private donations to hospitals, schools, and charitable organizations such as the Leipzig Musicians Pension Fund. When he found out about the Great Fire of Hamburg, which raged for three days during May 1842 and destroyed much of the city, he gave concerts in aid of the thousands of homeless there.[25]
Heard this gem on the Philly classical station while driving around for work today. Rimsky-Korsakov suddenly clicked for me. youtube.com/watch?v=rXR0tloMmoo
Cameron Rivera
Eroica symphony, Rachmaninoff's Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini, Scriabin's piano concerto, Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez
Mason Russell
I've no idea what the fuck is up with the time signatures Scriabin sonata 8
The upper voice plays in 3/4, and the two lower voices play in 6/8.
Oliver Clark
oh that makes sense, still the first time I've seen it written like that
Ryder Hall
I should add that Scriabin seems to be using it for voice emphasis, i.e., the A natural of the upper voice, the A flat of the middle voice, and the G flat, the second C and the lowest C of the lowest voice would have their beat emphasised.
Imagine wasting your time listening to a young Gould.
Ayden Sanders
Imagine wasting your time listening to Gould at all
Dominic Rodriguez
Which composers literally sucked cock? Aside from Tchaikovsky
Kevin Robinson
Lully, Corelli
Aiden Long
>Lully died from gangrene, having struck his foot with his long conducting staff during a performance of his Te Deum to celebrate Louis XIV's recovery from surgery.[10] He refused to have his leg amputated so he could still dance.[11] This resulted in gangrene propagating through his body and ultimately infecting the greater part of his brain, causing his death.[11]
There's a reason why no cared about her compositions until the modern era, just as there is a reason why she stopped composing after seeing the work of Robert Schumann.
>she was a competent composer and an amazing pianist. should only be remembered for the latter So is she like Liszt competent or are you being kind about it? In some company it might be helpful to rattle off a couple female composers, even if they are just mostly memes.
>Haydn's The Creation has a sequel called The Seasons dealing with the affairs of mortal men >that itself has a sequel called The Four Last Things by based Eybler that deals with the apocalypse, making a trilogy Wtf why did no one ever tell me this shit
Guys help me get back into classical, used to like some of it but slowly drifted apart i dont even remember why. I remember liking schubert, bach's cantatas, hayden's concertos as well as some Chopin and mainly baroque/romantic pieces. I remember never liking the french composers cause they sounded too dreamy.
Could someone rec some good pieces and performances to continue exploring classical? Maybe something with a somber or minor mood, was thinking maybe diving into beethoven but im open to all suggestions
Is there a term for this grumbling effect in the strings? I know it’s a tie, but is there a more verbly verbiage, a la slur? I had mistakenly called this passage glissando until I realized it’s a tie between the same notes.
>Goldberg there's nowhere left to go. that's his only bad release, and since you're asking for recs based on liking that, then you must like bad music, and you aren't getting any more of that from Bach >Bradenburg try his other chamber music, like the harpsichord concerti and orchestral suites
Christian Richardson
>release forgive me Bach, I just implied you "released" music *composition
Jose Gonzalez
Bump
Ian Cooper
He "released" it >Keyboard exercise, consisting of an ARIA with diverse variations for harpsichord with two manuals. Composed for connoisseurs, for the refreshment of their spirits, by Johann Sebastian Bach, composer for the royal court of Poland and the Electoral court of Saxony, Kapellmeister and Director of Choral Music in Leipzig. Nuremberg, Balthasar Schmid, publisher. it was one of the few works Bach published during his lifetime And the Goldberg is one of Bach's best, you can hate it because of the popularity of the initial Aria, but all the variations are pure genius Listen to this Harmony youtu.be/ObQCKpwzylE This is Bach at his best
I mean she could compose well enough to be listenable. Liszt was actually a genius in my opinion, especially his late compositions.
Brandon Morgan
>you can hate it because of the popularity of the initial Aria, but all the variations are pure genius no, I hate it because all the variations are pure ass, including the aria >Listen to this Harmony user, I've heard this piece about a hundred times over the years, desperately trying to understand why people like it, searching for a single redeeming quality. I guarantee you that no matter what you linked, I've already heard it countless times and will probably do nothing more than roll my eyes at it
Levi Ross
So you dont like variations? alot of people seem to have a problem with variations as a form
Aaron Martinez
considering two of my favorite pieces of all time are BWV 582 and the chaconne from BWV 1004, probably not
Elijah Sanders
If metal musicians were alive in Bach's time they would be shitty street musicians playing hurdy gurdys for crumbs
first week of conservatoire >le waste of money but any tips
Xavier Scott
Best eroica recording?
Brandon Reyes
haitink LSO live
Eli Williams
Schubert was no faggot, he resorted to a prostitute because no woman reciprocated his love. He wrote the fantasy for four hands just so his hands could touch his student's, but even failed in that
Sebastian Powell
there's only a tie because the note value is five eighth notes, you could just play a single note with a diminuendo if that weren't the case
How do you go from >Mozart's music is free of all exaggeration, of all sharp breaks and contradictions. The sun shines but does not blind, does not burn or consume. Heaven arches over the earth, but it does not weigh it down, it does not crush or devour it. (Karl Barth) to >Mozart 's music is very mysterious. (W. J. Turner)?
Grayson Ward
>The sun shines but does not blind nigga hasn't looked into the sun yet lmao
Aiden Cox
Kek
Carson Bailey
thank you user, I thoroughly enjoyed all three of those selections. going to dive in now.
Im a total noob to this genre, and I'm gonna start with Wagner. I dled some of his stuff I found in the archive, is it a good idea to track down resources to understand what is actually going on in these crazy operas? Do you know of any? I just put on Lohengrin. Is this like hip hop where my comprehension will be enhanced by reading lyrics along with it, translations I assume?
Alexander Green
Why did you call it "Through the Wald" you pretentious piece of shite. Also that last violin note is irritating, leave it out.
Jaxon Reed
So by genre you mean operas? Or classical in general? It's program music, so of course knowing the lyrics/ the plot will help. Especially Wagner thought of the Opera as a "Gesamtkunstwerk" with music and libretto playing a more or less equal role.
Colton Campbell
>Why did you call it "Through the Wald" you pretentious piece of shite.
Haha, a bit much, I guess? I dunno, I like it. The whole composition is framed around being moving through a forest, and just calling it that felt a bit generic. Thank you for listening, though, I really appreciate it! I'm always tryin' to make something okay.
>I made a """"piece"""" of noise Refer to and with that garbage.
Jaxson Thomas
why Yea Forums?
Jace King
Because that's the designated board for pretentious garbage.
Angel Garcia
Thanks! Jason Hayes' music has always really influenced me.
Not trying to be pretentious. If you listened though, thank you very much!
Mason James
>If you listened though I would have listened if you didn't title it the way you did and didn't call it "noise" or "new agey".
Owen Hernandez
not classical
Joseph Jackson
>Not trying to be pretentious. you can easily be pretentious without even knowing what that means.
Lincoln Wilson
Well, you can never predict what will interest people and what won't, I suppose. It's actually only recently I started actively naming my pieces and using artwork. My older things are named stuff like "Pass 48," or "Library 23," haha.
I guess I called it new agey because it incorporates ambient sound design. I wrote this track for a challenge, and the restriction was to use only two instruments. I felt I wanted to fill out the space though with additional textures.
Asher Peterson
>it incorporates ambient sound design
We call that "spectrally"
Ethan Morales
Beethovan's sonatas on the whole are overrated. So much in them are anticipated in Clementi's sonatas, meaning their originality, (especially in regards to form), is overstated, they lack the concise polish found in the works of Bach, Scarlatti, Soler, and Cimarosa, and the extent to which the piano was exploited after Beethoven by the romantics showed how far the piano could be taken as a means of expression.
Interesting. I just refer to it as ambient sound design because that's a term thrown around in theater shows I've done.
William Bell
I agree the Goldberg variations are overrated, but is an autistic level of aversion.
Nolan Williams
Alkan
Evan Moore
Then think of some other name, but just taking German words to make it sound sophisticated is always obnoxious. For example, Janacek called his cycle "On an Overgrown Path", which is something I'd recommend to listen to anyway if you want to make "forest" themed music. youtube.com/watch?v=V280ixNS5Jc
Parker Turner
Oh I've listened to Janacek, and that specific piece before. It's lovely. To be honest though, it's just a name a to me. It got some people talking about it, too, so maybe I did something right? Probably wouldn't have generated any conversation if I named it "Through the Forest."
Jacob Price
>In some company it might be helpful to rattle off a couple female composers idk, in classical music, there's really nobody to speak of. You find more better "classical" music in some of the best works of Yoko Shimomura than you will among conventional classical female composers.
Landon Cox
Sure, if you just want to stir some shit you could have named the piece "Throbbing black cocks in your ears" too. Getting people's attention does not make your work automatically good.
Grayson Campbell
No, I understand that, but I didn't name the piece anything derogatory. I named it with a foreign word for forest. I never know what will appeal or will annoy people. I don't even know if my stuff is any good, haha. I just make it and hope at least someone out there enjoys.
Nolan Robinson
But the extent to which the Romantics took the piano after Beethoven was a mistake
Owen Butler
It's an abstract telling of the basic hero's journey through music or something Who cares
Yes, I too hate expressing emotion in music. Let's make some more entertaining music box pieces for rich people to dance to.
Lucas Sullivan
>so maybe I did something right Well, you turned away at least two people from even listening to it. That's a good thing in my book.
Levi Parker
More musique concrète than anything, but interesting in its own way, man.
Isaac Lee
It's vert easy to write in a contrarian manner if you merely express an opinion without the least attempt to substantiate it, or even clarify what you mean. My saying that Beethoven's sonatas are overrated is certainly contrarian, but I at least made the attempt to justify it.
Julian Bell
Good stuff. You can be a bit more daring though. Put your heart and soul into it!
Someone's talking to me about music I've written. I appreciate that in its own way, Though I feel like there's some kind of saying related to books and covers if you're focusing this much on a name, lol.
Nicholas Wright
Honestly I never even think about the names which pieces have, I usually just memorize the catalog number if I ever need to bring it up again
Aaron Long
That's less convenient if you either want to, without looking at the catalog, reference a piece, or look for other recordings of that piece.
Andrew Rodriguez
>Though I feel like there's some kind of saying related to books and covers if you're focusing this much on a name, lol. In my experience, you can tell with a high level of certainty that a given piece of "art" is complete trash just by knowing that its author gave it a really pretentious name.
Matthew Peterson
Well you do you. I'm not trying to force you to listen to anything, and I never intended to bother anyone with the name. It literally just crossed through my head while getting out of the shower. "Hey, that could be a cool thing to call it."
Though if someone does listen, I always do appreciate feedback.
Christopher Lee
>It literally just crossed through my head while getting out of the shower. can you please not sexualize yourself there's enough of that in classical music already.
John Reed
>Hey, that could be a cool thing to call it. that's where having a good taste comes in. if you had it, you'd know how tasteless it is to insert random German/French words into your English titles.
Luke Price
Sforzando.
Cooper Gray
Ah, but where did I ever say I have taste? I told you at the beginning of this conversation I just make noise.
>I told you at the beginning of this conversation I just make noise. That comes off as non-genuine and tastless too. I doubt yout actually truly believe that and don't appreciate what you made at least on some level.
Christian Sullivan
The title is excellent. The music has very cheesy cliche nature sounds and romantic vibes, so giving it a pretentious title exhibits self awareness while the plain forest title would actually have been the pretentious one. It's called humor and post irony. All you haters have bad taste for hating.
Levi Morris
Ya know, I think you have a bit of a bug up your butt. Sorry you're in a bad mood, goober.
Carson Hall
>post irony literally what we call "pretentious" in non-pretentious circles.
>exhibits self awareness Self-awareness about being shit doesn't make something less shit.
Samuel Young
That's just your tasteless interpretation of my posts. Maybe someone more genuine would be able to understand better.
Christian Cox
it's not shit though, it's perfectly well done, it's just not that original.
Lucas Butler
Thank you. I appreciate that. Never really aimed for it being original in anything. Just have been writing some stuff for strings lately.
Michael Butler
Dumb strawman as expected from a Romanticuck
Ryan Gutierrez
I need cello
Samuel Bell
>while the plain forest title would actually have been the pretentious one if you're operating under the retarded modern conception of things, sure. most people aren't dumb enough to fall for that though.
you did great. I don't even know how to compose. are you using software instruments for the strings or was it people playing live? if software which? I would like to get into composing real music sometime instead of bullshit. I dled the music writing books in OP.
It was all done in a DAW, yeah! The instruments were EastWest's Hollywood Harp, and EastWest's Quantum Leap Solo Violin. Both of which are part of their Composer Cloud subscription. I recommend that to literally every beginner composer interested in writing with samples. It will give you all the tools you need to get started.
The ambience came from a bunch of downloads I found on Freesound, and my DAW is Digital Performer. I always encourage people who wanna write music to try. It can definitely all feel very overwhelming, but little by little you learn. If you have any questions, I'd gladly offer what I can.
Colton Evans
>I don't listen to opera because I'm not a faggot >Tchaik as an obvious answer, Brahms as a relatively non-obvious answer
awesome. I don't have any questions really beside just the best approach to learn, though I figure I'll have to figure it out mostly myself. I'm sorry if I don't get back to you I have to go to dinner and a meeting later idk if ill make it back here in time
Julian Brown
>masculinity is so fragile that he won't listen to gay composers, even the pederasts >not a faggot
William Taylor
>masculinity is so fragile that he won't listen to operas >not a faggot
Jaxon Cruz
>listening to a musical form where literally every notable composer was not only gay but a bottom twink >not a faggot
Ayden Taylor
No, you're fine! I will say though, when it comes to composing nowadays, there are two main barriers for artists: the writing side, and the tech side. You might spend months going through a theory book, learning your Tristan chords, and chromatic third relations, and a bunch of garbage that's already a pain to even talk about, but then you're faced with a big problem of learning a piece of software just to put your ideas down.
All I can say is try not to get too frustrated. It's all a learning process. There are plenty of great pieces of software out there that are affordable and very useful, with a lot of tutorials online.
I mean, classical music was never meant to be meaningful anyway, just beautiful. The recent wave of post-minimal classical really only seeks to cut out the middle man and make no pretense of being meaningful at all Because it was a very simplistic reaction I think it was Arrival
Justin Cooper
>I mean, classical music was never meant to be meaningful anyway
you bastard
Thomas Peterson
>I mean, classical music was never meant to be meaningful anyway, just beautiful. Okay now I definitely know you are just fishing for (yous). Why don't you go back to Yea Forums or Yea Forums?
what is the best performance of Beethoven's late quartets?
Owen Jenkins
Baroque music was just a bunch of dance forms being recycled over and over again. Classical period music was just a bunch of cute sonatas and quartets. Romantic and impressionistic music only aimed to be beautiful. Honestly, the only periods that aimed for anything other than sounding pretty and being entertaining were the renaissance and medieval periods and non-minimalist movements of the post-modern period; in the first two, it was all for God, and in the last, it's consensus opinion that it was just intellectual masturbation Let me guess, you listen to classical to make yourself look smarter, even though it bores you to tears? Being a true listener of classical means treating it like all other music in existence (i.e. purely as entertainment) and sticking with it anyway because the instrumentation is lovely. It honestly sounds like to me that you're only in this for the good boy points
Ayden Cruz
Congrats on—unironically—the worst post I've ever seen on /classical/
Grow up. All music is intellectually equal, and no amount of rationalization can change that. I'm just here because I find that, despite their masturbation, composers like Schnittke and Brahms created unironically beautiful music. There should be no other reason
Nathaniel Scott
Capet Op 131 is best
Thomas Wilson
Busch Quartet
David Anderson
@90208233 >Being a true listener of classical means... Okay. I'm sure you'd know best.
Hunter Lewis
The violin part sounds to me derivative of Schindler's List, which was already derivative of something else, like nearly all of John Williams.
Joseph Thomas
>All music is intellectually equal This. All people are inherently equal too.
Dylan Anderson
@90208473 Yes, I do, because I have dubs, and you don't Fair This but unironically
Easton Howard
The point of music isn't just to be beautiful
Jonathan Phillips
Have fun with your Shoenberg, Xenakis, and Merzbow
Angel Nelson
go die postmodern retard
Noah Adams
I'm not inherently equal to you though, since I'm not retarded.
Joseph Perry
>its either all beautiful or just cacophonous garbage Retard
Every single era has dissonant music. Music is an art-form and conveys a story, mood, or emotion. You can't tell a story without evil.
Elijah Rodriguez
>I mean, classical music was never meant to be meaningful anyway, just beautiful Not even Romanticucks think like this and this is what I shitpost about them You retard
David Cooper
>I'm not retarded >Retard >You retard Well, it turns out that /classical/ is so brain-damaged that they can literally do no better than name-calling
>post retarded shit >get called a retard that's how it rolls my friend. nice trips though
Brody Myers
>This but unironically It's amusing how retarded beliefs always come with the full package, even in music.
Brayden Martin
I bet this guy is the Bach hater. Hence his projection saying "I bet you just listen to classical to look smarter even though it bores you to tears huh?" It's what he told us he did with the WTC books, so now he says all music is equal and that it's only supposed to be pretty, because he could only get into pretty music because he couldn't find any meaningfulness in classical music, because he can't into abstract art forms.
Michael Murphy
>gets dubs and trips >somehow still retarded Our god of digits does not lie, user It's amusing how people can't read basic sarcasm
Nolan Ortiz
New
David Morgan
>Can I like Scarlatti or is it plebeian Can one ask the same about Tchaikovsky?
Luis Gutierrez
Yes one can ask that. (The answer is he's plebeian though.)
