Is hip hop actually music tho?

Yes. Also noise is music.

It is not music to my ears, so it is not music. It does not spark joy. So it gets discarded. Just like asian lady said.

For me it's bro country. Can't stand it.

hip hop is still and will always be king of music. Sorry, just reality.

>It does not spark joy.
>thus it's not music
Yikes

you do not spark joy

>le ebin tv reference

It's one of my most loathed genres, but it's undeniably music.
If fucking harsh noise is music, there's no question that hip hop is too, even if I fucking despise both.

this is objectively the truth but the truth does not spark joy so I substitute my own

A respectable opinion

Hip-hop is one of the most limited genres of popular music that has ever existed. There is not a single aspect of music that hip-hop excels at. I doubt you listen much to other music to even understand what I’m talking about. Sorry, just the reality

Hip-Hop is like rap except its music. Rap isn't music, it's just rhythm and poetry.

spbp

harsh noise is more music than hip-hop, indie rock, post-rock, and shoegaze combined
it's one of the few pleasant genres that Yea Forums listens to

Biggest and most influential genre in the world isn’t music? Lol that’s crazy.

Are there actually any rappers nowadays with actual musical talent? As in ones that do more than rhyme over a beat made by a Jew?

Are you ever delusional. It’s popular in America and Uk and that’s about it

its 2019, why are rockfags still saying this

only the soul that enjoys 'harsh noise' could write such a stupid and strange comment

If you actually believe that you are fucking retarded

If you actually believe anything else, you are totally clueless

Lupe Fiasco, Black Thought, Andre 3000, Pharoahe Monch....

so rappers who produce for themselves? yeah there's tons
name ONE country that hip hop isn't big in that isnt some obscure place like mongolia

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Racism unironically

>name ONE country that hip hop isn't big in that isnt some obscure place like mongolia

Every country outside the US and UK, it isn’t nearly as big

Blatantly off-topic thread already, nothing to do with music.

Those guys are old.

Name one of these countries, just one

France

I can't stand it. You're talking about a genre where people talk about diss tracks as if it was a big deal. It's the musical equivalent of your momma jokes when you're a kid and yet people write articles about it. Some producers are pretty good but I can't stand rappers

LITERALLY ANY COUNTRY OUTSIDE THE US AND UK

Nevermind misread this

So lol. They’re very much alive and active, Besides Andre giving us one verse a year.

Hip hop is huge in France
Nah, hip hop is huge everywhere, which is why you can't name a single country where it isn't when I asked you twice. You can't even specificalyl name ONE place where it isn't huge

I know I thought you were the other guy lol

>Nah, hip hop is huge everywhere, which is why you can't name a single country where it isn't when I asked you twice. You can't even specificalyl name ONE place where it isn't huge
ANY. COUNTRY. THAT. IS. NOT. THE. US. OR. UK.

It is NOT nearly as big anywhere else, including France

>doesn't like super abstract or experimental stuff
Uh, pretty cringe dude.

If you don't listen to a work by Iannis Xenakis and/or Karlheinz Stockhausen at least once every single day then you are a pleb and don't deserve to exist. Sorry.

not sure how he can't "specificalyl" name one place where it isn't big but ok

Canada, home of Drake

Bro rappers literally make one hit song, and they could literally tour Europe for the rest of their life and be good lol

You can't name a single country. I can look at any other country in Europe or even Africa and see that hip hop is huge. Korea too. You're refusing to name a country because you are wrong and can't defend yourself with a nuanced argument because I can look up 'hip hop in X' and it will show me how big it is so you obfuscate

>meme composers
lmao ok kid. maybe you should go back to RYM. in the meanwhile I'll be listening to good avant garde

you can name ONE country where hip hop isnt big you fucking autist, its not a trick question

And? One artist means that it’s popular.

Same with any pop hit. Absolutely nothing new.

Korea? The home of k-pop? You are FUCKING DELUSIONAL. It is not that popular.

Any fucking country. As I said, including France.

This is also all diversion because you got BTFO hard

You've proven nothing. All you've said is "nuh uh"

Korea. The home of k-pop. Is k-pop hip-hop?

You are a stupid fucking faggot

korean rap is huge , most kpop artists venture into it, bts has a song about loving hip hop and it references rakim. millions of korean listen to hip hop. you keep insulting me but everything you've said is wrong

Again, you never proved him wrong. You sound like a boomer.

This

>can’t refute what I said
K-pop is literally not hip-hop though. You going nuh-uh doesn’t change that fact. Why is k-pop not hip-hop if it’s the most popular genre in Korea.

Sorry, you got BTFO big time

Again, I did. You sound like the boomer. Hip-hop is old and corny nowadays. Literally nobody listens to it outside Us and Uk

That’s like saying everyone in America exclusively listens to fucking pop music like Taylor Swift or Billie Eilish, you’re both retarded

>K-pop is literally not hip-hop though.
Some of it is.

No... it just shows that hip-hop is not the most popular genre of music like this faggot is trying to claim.

Man, hip-hop stans are the most brainless music fans of all

They aren’t his sexual assault allegations

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i didn't say that k-pop is hip hop. although a lot of kpop artists venture into hip hop. do you know who g dragon is? he is one of the most famous koreans, he has been called the 'michael jackson of korea' and he is a rapper too. hip hop is one of the biggest genres in korea. millions are listening to it there. even the production in kpop regularly takes from trap music. for example blackpink said 'blackpink in your area' if i'm not mistaken, and that's from nas. the main writer of kpop hits was a former rapper.

so you've lost on the korea case, do you want to name another country? i'd be willing to debate any

>Literally nobody listens to it outside Us and Uk
you guys would do well to realise that you're arguing with a child

Some of it has rock too. It’s not rock though

>gets btfo
>n-no y-you’re wrong

Want to try again since you got BTFO on the Korean example? K-pop is not hip-hop, and you haven’t proven it was either

>nobody has refuted any of my points
>n-no, y-you’re the child for not liking my shitty music

i think you're trolling me because you're ignoring the facts i stated. i never claimed it was hip hop. i said there is overlap. you're ignoring the fact that one of the most popular artists in korea is a rapper (g-dragon) who has songs with 400m on youtube alone where he raps. he has said his main influences are rappers. in the early days of kpop it was refered to as 'rap dance'. millions of people today listen to korean rap.

Yup. Not to mention the rise of Urban Latino music.

That’s ONE ARTIST. The whole genre of k-pop is NOT hip-hop oriented.

Katy Perry has rappers and hip-hop production in her music too, but nobody would call her hip-hop.

Fucking retards, man

damn, ben shapiro is a rapist, and to think i liked him once

Not all urban music is hip-hop

>nobody listens to it outside Us and Uk
Kek. I was in a bar in Vietnam and heard Xxplosive by dr dre

he is one of the biggest artists in korea. i named blackpink and bts, who are also the biggest artists in korea. i didn't say they have 'rappers' in thier music, i am saying they rap in their music and use hip hop production.

you haven't named a single valid point and you keep creating new arguments out of things nobody has said

>I heard a song over 20 years old and that’s supposed to show how popular it is now
lol, indeed

Aesop Rock
Kids See Ghosts
Busdriver

If you listen to any of those Latino artist, Bad Bunny, J Blavin, Anuel AA, it’s very obvious how hip hop influenced it is. Just goes to show how influential hip hop has been and how big it’s gotten. Can’t really deny it when there’s people other countries infusing that sound in their music.

THREE PEOPLE. Every genre has a handful of artists like that.

K-pop is not hip-hop music primarily. That’s like saying Katy Perry is hip-hop.
If it were the most popular music, it would be the primary music. It isn’t because it isn’t nearly as popular as you think it is

Of course
It's populist as fuck though. Fun to listen to, especially at parties the best (as in most suitable) tracks are almost always hip hop. But these are correct:

Sure I can.

American music is waning and beckming irrelevant. Sorry, that’s the truth

Nah, hip-hop is gay boomer beats

i could name 1000 people but the people i named are the most popular. your original point is that it is not popular. yet there are korean songs with rapping in it that have 500million views. katy perry does not rap. i dont think you understand how pop rap is made. you sound ignorant and you haven't refuted any points. you are just saying 'no' to me and twisting the argument because your ego is too big to accept facts

why does it matter if you don't like diss tracks? i don't really care what you think about the culture. why are you talking about rapping if you hate rapping? lol

You don’t think that artists are in their studios trying to find a way to infuse the hip hop sounds into their music to sell records? Fuck if you think it’s good, do you think it sells? Post Malone was making country songs in his basement before he made White Iverson.

Of course she doesn’t rap because she doesn’t need to.

I have refuted all your points. You haven’t been able to address a single one of mine and you keep moving the goalposts when I clearly addressed your original arguments.
>you are just saying 'no' to me and twisting the argument because your ego is too big to accept facts
What arrogant projection on your part

Hip-hop is outdated and corny

It sells to their audience. Most of the pop sounds around the world are not hip-hop oriented though.

That’s just the fucking truth. Katy Perry throws hip-hop in her music occassionally to widen her audience. It doesn’t mean she’s a hip-hop artist. In fact her sound is definitively NOT hip-hop in general

the top 3 artists in korea all rap, the most popular songs in korea are the artists themselves rapping, not features, not that it matters anyway if they were features because your point is that rap is not popular and you have been proven wrong so you decide to move goalposts and ignore facts.