Why is jazz music so terrible? And why do edgelords and college students listen to terrible boomer nostalgia?

>Now that's what I call REAL music. *sip*

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Jazz is the musical equivalent of a girdle. It belongs in a museum

>i do listen
Kind of Blue, A Love Supreme, the list could go on and on....

Jazz is the musical equivalent of Gourmet music made only by the most skilled hands.

OP is a fag as always, this is now a Jazz thread

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Imagine reading a poem in japanese, arabic or some foreign language.
Can you judge him to be good or bad?
You can't, because you don't understand that language.
Jazz, is a foreign language, if you do not understand, learn it or shut the fuck up stupid son of a bitch.

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would love to see the music you think isn't terrible

bump

fpbp
cringe

youtube.com/watch?v=WIE6U6Lrtrc
If this doesn't change your mind you're a soulless faggot.

You can tell it's bait because he didn't (and won't) post what he listens to.

watch out we got a intellectual ova here

best jazz album

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based

and that's a GOOD thing!

This is either a decent bait thread or a legitimately braindead take. Pretty sure it’s bait.

ah yes. this type of thread always gets replies. good job based retard op

Jazz's canonization as "great music" is the best example of artistic affirmative action.

>morrissey votes for some conservative party, says he doesn't like chinese people
suddenly, worldwide calls for boycott
>Miles Davis says he'd like to strangle the nearest a white person to death if he could get away with it
nobody gives a shit

the only rationalization for this is "muh historical context, muh equivalence fallacy," which is a pretty repackaging of the old neocolonialist notion that it's a moral duty of white people for whatever reason to hold black people to lower standards of human dignity.

The idea that black people are basically just uncivilized savages is a fundamental principle of progressivism. this is why they're obsessed with finding and "calling out" racism; it's pure projection, like a pedophile priest condemning gay people for being "perverted."

what's your opening line Yea Forums?

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>white
blocked

Jazz sounds better when played on the radio/ on a random jazz playlist than it does listening to entire jazz albums

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The point of language is communicating a message. The ability to hear sounds is the "shared language" we have to appreciate music. Theory helps to understand it better, but great music transcends that and can be intuitively felt.
So you tacitly admit jazz is an artistic failure that conveys nothing.

I'm gonna take five. Op you're a loser if you cant appreciate some smooth piano jazz or some piano lounge music. Seriously suck a dick if you cant enjoy awesome fast rhythm tunes.

you realize the jazz community looks down on smooth jazz, right? it's like the nu-metal to jazz's metal, or the ICP to jazz's hip-hop or something

i guess i greet her and then start a conversation with something like...
>"Oh, you're into jazz, right? That's cool. I'm into some jazz too, but I haven't listened to that much. Do you have any recommendations?"

then you've got learning to do. she won't reply because women don't actually care about music, they use music as a social trinket to project their cosmopolitan worldliness. she WOULD reply if you were a 9/10 chad and sent her a dirty message, or if you had a nice car in your pic.

my black pal

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nah, i think you're the one that needs to do some learning. she'd likely reply because her profile is literally all about how she's into music. she's begging you to compliment her taste in music. she's trying to show it off and look special. she wants you to validate her musical tastes and make her feel special.
now if she had't specifically mentioned an interest in music, it'd be dumb to bring up music to her like that.

>jazz
>conveys nothing
>can't be felt
*ahem*
youtube.com/watch?v=2yZXafHQiIA
youtube.com/watch?v=NLCHFU_EPxY
youtube.com/watch?v=zbkLmwLzU6g
If you can't feel the romance, sorrow, and exuberance is these pieces, well, the problem is not with the music.

jazz started in the 20s. and mentioning death grips at every turn isn’t helping you look any less retarded

Yeah, I like to jizz as well. What gave it away?

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"I will love you like Chet Baker loved the one true love of his life: heroin."

plebeian opinion. this board is garbage and every time i come here my position is reaffirmed

No he means you don't know how to listen for the phrasing in jazz which is why jazz can sound like a bunch of notes to people. Once you're familiar with the phrasing you start to understand the music more and see what an artist is doing?

>not listening to The Sound of Sonny all the way through eight times in one day
yikes

Basically everyone in the jazz community acknowledges Miles Davis was an asshole idk what you're talking about.

i thought the same thing before i actually started listening to jazz

Kys

pro-tip: the smoothbrains boycotting morrissey are the ones you DON'T want to imitate

Seriously, this whole "jazz is just a bunch of pretentious masturbating for theory nerds" meme is utter nonsense that can only be believed by people who know next to nothing about jazz. The myth is easily dispelled by simply listening to some of the most popular jazz recordings.

i'm a jazz noob, don't know anything about it.

i like this album though: youtube.com/watch?v=u5PG7aRYS1k

is it rated any good by you jazz peepo?

that's a classic, bro

based and checked. also correct. OP is a fucking retard. there are countless valid criticisms of jazz and he picks several that do not have any basis in reality

This.
Fucking toilet tier discussion now, with turds leaving their mark all over the bowl

Too minty

if I knew someone named Miles and someone named Dave, I would constantly tell Miles how Dave is

Coltrane would often make the same joke, I hear

Young people are brainwashed by music teachers. Jazz is irrelevant and will only lead to unemployment and state funded concerts for dying boomers

citation please?

Jazz is like wine. The consumers think they are sophisticated but in reality they are consuming crap

>Jazz still makes retards seeth in 2000+19
Based

In my uninformed opinion, jazz is nice for background music but a bit boring to listen to on its own. Don't see how you can hate it though.

jazz likely has way more going on in it than whatever you listen to; I don't understand what's boring about that

Most people like music that is catchy.
Something with a simple melody, maybe some effects or whatever.

Probably, but the amount of things going on isn't the only metric by which I measure how entertaining music is.

I was a bit strong when I said "boring" it's not really that boring, still I find music with a catchier melody more interesting. Vocal jazz is an exception, vocal jazz is amazing.

(In Miles' muggy voice)

So you can't hang...that's cool.
The back seat is over there.
Take your argument that way.

Got a show to do at 9:30
What arena you fillin' out?
(chirps) slow walk...

There were no angry threads back then
You just had to eat shit and die; lonely.
Everyone roasting you for even having tried...
What a glorious time to be alive...

It's boring because it's repetitive and monotonous. It doesn't tell a story and doesn't go anywhere, it just stays locked in meandering modal progressions. Jazz music is melodic and rhythmic ornamentation and improv. over a very simplistic musical idea. How many great jazz compositions can people name? Even at it's peak the music was completely forgettable with few exceptions.

jazz is full of catchy melodies; what are you talking about?
Moment's Notice gets stuck in my head all the goddamn time

>jazz
>repetitive and monotonous
>doesn't tell a story
>doesn't go anywhere
Literally the only music those statements are less true about than they are about jazz is classical. How about you actually listen to some jazz before you talk shit about it. Here's some for ya: youtube.com/watch?v=TMLyZYpP_sA

people who listen to jazz can name dozens if not hundreds of compositions, and expecting people who don't listen to a genre to name many different pieces from that genre is ridiculous

miles davis was vastly overrated and only survived by attaching a dead art form to more popular styles. jazz is like a virus that won't die

The average laymen can name classical pieces that are hundreds of years old or at least recognize them, because they're memorable pieces of music. Great compositions get ingrained in your mind on the first listen, it's a natural effect if you're human. You don't have to "get it" or "understand it", it takes no effort on your part, it's a universal feeling that transcends cultures regardless of musical complexity.

They can recognize them because they're spammed on television. And you don't seem to understand that jazz was popular music for decades; the masses were eating it up. People with no special musical knowledge were going to dance halls and connecting with the music instantly.

1. Smoke a jazz cigarette
2. Get a sense of rhythm
3. Go to a jazz club and listen to some live jazz music

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Jazz is the musical equivalent of masturbation. It is fun for the participants but looks tragic to everyone else.

Jazz is what musicians play that have no talent, the musicians that obsess over technicality over musicality. No wonder no-one wants to listen to it

Wynton Marsalis is like a drug pusher infecting the youth with tragic music. Boomers need to get a life

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yeah if it's prog, jazz has at least soul.

you mean black people

you're not wrong

Are saying this is not catchy. But I do agree with you.

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this melody is amazingly catchy imho

kek

Because it’s just improvisionation on a standard. Even the “avant-garde” shit does this

What's wrong with prog?

>amerifat music of any kind
>soul
‘no’

So glad that shitty country’s music isn’t as ubiquitous as it used to be

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Why is jazz so soulless, Yea Forums?

>Why is [so much of] jazz music so terrible?
Because a large cohort treated composition the way AI would, not unlike Classical trends since the turn of the last century.

just like jazz this thread will die

Jazz has lots of soul, you're just too white.

idk man, i used to hate jazz, prog, and anything remotely 'technical' or considered good in the music canon.
then i started actually learning how music works, and now i really appreciate those genres so maybe that's what you need to do.

>white boy thinks he has a soul

This is better bait that Op’s post

Jazz from 1955 to 1970 is some of the best music humans on this planet has ever produced.
After it pretty much belongs in the trash because jazz-fusion killed it.
And after that, all the giants died and it was over.

Fucking listen to Coltrane. He's up there in the damn sky.

What's wrong with jazz-fusion? Great music to chill out to.

I’m on board with any genre that triggers jazzfags as much as fusion does

free jazz

I just don't like jazz mixed with electronic instruments.
The only one that succeeded in the 70s was Davis but everything from Mahavishnu to Weather Report etc. I find it bad and distasteful.
Zappa is the only one that really got it, and after that, Jazz ceased to even be a thing, except for the initiated. (repeating the past glorious day with the standards.)

Jazz from 1955 to 1970 is what OPF is complain about. It's all sounds same with all these random wankery for pretentious black turtleneck faggots. Bebop is biggest con in music history.

Jazz fusion in the later 70's and definitely in the 80's suffered from this obsession with combining any weird sound and timbre together that it started to become gaudy and tasteless, even when the musicianship was still good and organic. But Fusion since then has a lots of good albums with tasteful instrumentation that people overlook.

>coltrane, mingus, hutcherson, davis, dolphy, coleman, the list goes on...

lmfao

Jazz maybe underground to alot of music snobs and surface level jazz fans but criss cross jazz label is coming out with a lot of great stuff over the decade.

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I would who ever is a jazz fan to check this label's catalog out.

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Care to link some good contemporary fusion stuff? I'm eager to try again.

jazz sucks

John Scofield- A Go Go, Bump
Dan Weiss- Starebaby
Trondheim Jazz Orchestra- Savages
Donny McCaslin- Casting for Gravity, Fast Future
Bill Frisell- Unspeakable, East / West
Oz Noy- Ha!
Jaga Jazzist- A Livingroom Hush
Dave Holland- Prism
Floratone- Floratone
Snarky Puppy- We Like It Here
Medeski Martin and Wood- Univisible, Omnisphere
Kowloon- Metallic, Exotic

They recognize those pieces because of the institutional support they receive. You don't really learn about Coltrane or Charlie Parker in elementary school but you do about great western composers. Jazz has a lot going on in it you just don't know how to listen for it, which is fine but stop acting like your opinion is anything other than opinion. But to answer your question, I think Ugestu by Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers has great composing and in that vein a lot of Wayne Shorter's 60's albums are amazing.

Also unironically Coltrane's 60's era stuff like crescent and a love supreme. The compositions themselves are modal and simple but I think that is besides the point which is the story the improv tells

OP is that kid who can only eat chicken nuggets or he'll through a fit. He can't appreciate things that are too complicated

*throw

Quote one of Gosling’s lines from La La Land

Is OP the biggest cuck on Yea Forums right now?

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And study

College students listen to indie shit or Yea Forumscore. Edgelords listen to Tool or Yea Forumscore. Adults listen to jazz.

the op is probably referring to music college students but they don't represent the majority of college students.

You're not listening to it correctly, you're supposed to listen to the themes and skip the improvs.
The themes can be pretty beautiful, the improvs are always complete dogshit

>study jazz
>stop masturbating
>achieve goals
Yeah i think jazz is based and op a fuckign faggot