Do they really deserve the hate they get?

Oh right- you are the "robert plant wearing jeans is a costume" guy.

...and you are delusional. KISS's music sucked so bad they literally had to attract attention by wearing clown make-up. Do you think Cobain one said "hey- lets wear flannels and maybe people will notice us" fucking retarded.

Yes
They killed bands like angel and ran to the bank with rip offs of their songs
When angel has no money to sue them

Kiss is a great band highly visually entertaining but their music sucks

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They deserve even more
KISS literally aren't a metal band. You can't even identify what you claim to hate XD

>KISS sucks!
Why?
>Because they're bland and boring
Well, millions of people seem to like it. That's just your opinion.
>They're more of a brand name than a band
Oh wow! How dare one of the most popular bands in the world make money off their name.
>They're egoistical assholes!
And? Once you've been on top so long then you'll understand.

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Do they still play Psycho Circus live? That song is such a fucking perfect show opener.

>Corpse paint
>Leather
They're glam metal and you're a retard
Fuck all metal genres

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Oh okay you're trolling. Carry on.

SPBP

>Well, millions of people seem to like it.
capeshit too, it's still shit.

Music for plebs.

Disagree, EVH would probably disagree with you too. Though I don't think Roth was fond of them.

VH is a superior band musically, only an idiot would deny that, but KISS appeal was not in virtuosity it was in the punchiness and pure rock n roll spirit.

You're retarded bro, this is a band who wanted attention...they just wanted to be known for the opposite mentality their rivals were known for. You don't die your fucking hair pink and wear random thrift shop clothes when you're a middle class white kid because you don't want to be different. Music is ALL pro wrestling, just depends on which gimmick you like. KISS were into glam rock in the 70's, as am I, I like that.

KISS is "early metal" or "American metal", I think anyone well versed in heavy metal knows they're more of a rock band who flirted with, influenced, and at times dipped their toes in heavy metal rather than strictly being a "metal" band, but yeah.

>didn't grow up with comic books and superheroes
Oh so you had no childhood, now it all makes sense.

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>KISS appeal was not in virtuosity it was in the punchiness and pure rock n roll spirit.

wrong. their appeal was in their outlandish clown costumes and stage theatrics. the music didnt actually matter to the plebs.

Every male rock musician who was a kid in the 70's likes Kiss.

>You don't die your fucking hair pink
so you provide evidence to your claim that Cobain wore flannel shirts to get attention you post a pic of him in pink hair SEVERAL YEARS AFTER they become famous. People wore flannel shirts in the PNW...Cobain was lower class- his mother a waitress and father a mechanic- divorced at 9. He simply wore on stage what he always wore- jeans and t-shirt with maybe a flannel ...you are simply delusional and grasping at straws to justify your devotion to a musically shitty band.

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>wrong. their appeal was in their outlandish clown costumes and stage theatrics. the music didnt actually matter to the plebs.
I listen to KISS on a near daily basis, my CDs, vinyls, and MP3s don't have makeup, costumes, or shoot fireworks.

Sorry, next. I'd ask what bands you even like but you parrot the same KISS hate word for word every thread so I know you're the same Neo Nazi moron and you never answer, so I won't bother.

citation needed.

it's the one guy who spams kiss and hair metal, he's a fucking loser

>I listen to KISS on a near daily basis
thats on you if you like crappy music. LOL. How old are you 10?

>so you provide evidence to your claim that Cobain wore flannel shirts to get attention you post a pic of him in pink hair SEVERAL YEARS AFTER they become famous. People wore flannel shirts in the PNW...Cobain was lower class- his mother a waitress and father a mechanic- divorced at 9. He simply wore on stage what he always wore- jeans and t-shirt with maybe a flannel ...you are simply delusional and grasping at straws to justify your devotion to a musically shitty band.
Lol Nirvana was a musically shitty band....one of the MOST musically shitty bands period to ever reach mainstream fame, KISS was leagues above them in terms of any measurable skill, every member of KISS has more range as a singer than Cobain save for Ace Frehley, and well....Kurt Cobain fucking sucked at guitar. But that isn't the main point I want to make because I don't think music has to be fucking Rush to be good, KISS were not virtuosos either just because they had more talent than Nirvana, I love The Ramones, music doesn't have to be about that shit to be good.

But yeah to the main point, your point makes no sense
>he dyed his hair pink AFTER he was famous
So he loved fame and wanted even more attention then? That's what you're saying.

To be fair, the guys greater point is everyone has a gimmick. And you’re kind of painting a different picture of Kurt than what the reality was. Like, yeah, he grew up lower middle class, regular guy, but he was still weird, and even before he was famous, he was wearing two different kinds of shoes all the time, he dressed weird, he wrote about it in his journal.

So this image of Kurt being the average laymen with no gimmick is BS. He was a whiny artsy fartsy geek. He didn’t have wear tattered clothes, but he did for his style.

>he dressed weird
jeans and t-shirt is not weird.

Outside of Paul Stanley literally leaving Eric Carr to die while he was ballsdeep in cancer, yet publicly crying about the little news coverage of his death cause he died within hours of Freddie Mercury's passing, it's pretty subjective to hate them.

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>If they didnt dress up as clowns no one would have ever heard of them.
This. There is no way they would been famous if they didnt dress like clowns. Its the ONLY reason they got famous.

kiss were the wiggles of the 70s

Cobain's "grunge" look was fake, he wasn't that poor, he could have easily looked like a yuppie, he tried his best to be different and stand out by wearing oversized clothes, dying his hair, ripping his jeans, etc etc. He was no different then people from the glam, thrash, punk, whatever generations.

There was nothing natural about Nirvana's image or the glam image, like all subculture images, it was done as a rebellion to the norm or to make a specific social statement. You're just really fucking stupid is all.

>leaving Eric Carr to die
You mean by telling the guy sick with cancer he should not fucking be in a rock band and stay in the hospital? Wow what an asshole.

>I love The Ramones, music doesn't have to be about that shit to be good.

thats true. but that still doesnt change the fact that KISS's music sucks badly. They only reason they became famous was because of the make-up not because of the music. Nirvana- like them or not- became famous for their angsty music not their flannel shirts.

With all due respect, fuck off, you idiot piece of shit.

Did I say
>“HURRR DÜRR JEANS AND T SHIRT WEIRD”

Obviously not. I said, he wore two different pairs of shoes on his feet, tattered clothes (cobain was a big fan of punk ZOMG if you didn’t know!)
And generally dressed weirdly, and he himself gives first hand account in his personal journals of growing up and feeling ostracized and alienated from the rest of the Aberdeen community especially his Highschool peers because of his style.

Long before he was famous, but I don’t even understand what point you’re trying to get at anyhow, so kindly, shut the fuck up and sit down.

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>Cobain's "grunge" look was fake,
jeans and a t-shirt is "fake" ok fren

you're trying too hard.

>became famous for their angsts music
>not their flannel

You realize those two can exist at the same time right? They got famous because of their look and their sound. Duh. Like literally every mainstream successful artist.

I mean are you really trying to pretend like flannel isn’t a grunge 90s meme?
highsnobiety.com/2017/02/22/10-fashion-trends-kurt-cobain/

>he wore two different pairs of shoes on his feet
is that why Nirvanna became the biggest band around at the time?

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look at that outlandish costume. How could anyone not pay attention to him LOL

>I mean are you really trying to pretend like flannel isn’t a grunge 90s meme?

fuck you you stupid cunt. of course its a meme....but they didnt get famous BECAUSE of wearing flannel...unlike KISS who became famous BECAUSE of wearing clown suits. You are fucking delusional pleb. sit down and shut the fuck up.

Don't waste your time arguing with this retarded boomer. He always does this shit where he calls every band that isn't KISS or hair metal "so y"

Bro just stop being disingenuous with this absurd reductionism straw man. No on is saying any of this shit but you.

Obviously Kurt’s rugged look, him being a pretty boy, after a decade of glam metal douches dressing like space royalty, was a much welcomed change in trend.

But the gentlemen’s main point again is, like it or not, kisses style and nirvanas style and sound are both “fads”

They both had “gimmicks”

Kurt got lucky, and sold out, and hit it big and then drove everything into a ground like a fucking dumb loser, abandoning his family and child along the way.

Obviously bleach wasn’t what propelled them into mainstream success. Take nevermind out of nirvanas discography, really, smells like teen spirit and they’d be utterly forgotten.

They got famous cuz Kurt cobain bent the knee to the bigwigs

>thats true. but that still doesnt change the fact that KISS's music sucks badly.
In your opinion it sucks, in my opinion it doesn't. And since I'm me and you're a Yea Forums user...I guarantee I've listened to more music than you and have a more honest appreciation for it while you follow trends.
>Nirvana- like them or not- became famous for their aNirvana- like them or not- became famous for their angsty music not their flannel shirts.ngsty music not their flannel shirts.
Wrong, Nirvana these days is known for one song....and shit lol, zoomers these days who listen to Nirvana music are usually like "wtf this is just pop rock" and they are known more for the smiley face logo and the fact that they were "the" flannel band more than anything.

Jeans and t shirt doesn't = greasy long hair goatees tattered thrift shop clothes that don't fit and hair die, you're just dumb and drank too much Kurt flavored Koolaid

OHHHHH and by the way, grunge sucks, hardcore sucks, metalcore sucks, sludge sucks, stoner metal sucks, Hipster faggot.

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>In your opinion it sucks
no. its a well known fact. Kiss's music sucks and the only reason they became famous was because they dressed in clown suits.

kill yourself

>No on is saying any of this shit but you.
Fuck off. OP insinuated that since Nirvanna wore flannels thats why became famous...just like KISS became famous for wearing clown suits. pay attention or shut the fuck up.

I don't listen to Nirvana, I listen to music with positive messages. Why don't you?

I know more about music than you, my opinion is superior to yours, period.

Because kiss is trash

>kisses style and nirvanas style and sound are both “fads”
but you are missing the point (shocker). KISS became famous for wearing clown suits. Nirvanna became famous for their music - after which their "look" became a fad.

Kurt Cobain was the real deal. The way he dressed was raw, authentic, and hip. He wasn’t putting on an act with his performances, he was just being who he was, a tortured, brooding artist full of sincerity and passion.

Heh, now take a look at these clowns over here...

like all young pre-internet guitarists who had lots of time to pore over liner notes and music magazines in between band rehearsals kurt was a student of rock history, and no idiot. of course he developed and cultivated a style of his own; a style so recognizable it was parodied by late night shows, fashion spreads, and weird al less than a year after nirvana hit the mainstream and subsequently copied throughout the entire western world. the dude was and remains michael jackson-level iconic, don’t kid yourselves. cobain had a plan for everything

>I know more about music than you
try again pleb. lying on the internet doesn't make you right. period.

Kiss were 100% a gimmick, Nirvanas appeal was music

>KISS became famous for wearing clown suits. Nirvanna became famous for their music - after which their "look" became a fad.
/thread

>Kurt Cobain was the real deal. The way he dressed was raw, authentic, and hip. He wasn’t putting on an act with his performances, he was just being who he was, a tortured, brooding artist full of sincerity and passion.

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Kiss? More like SHIT if you ask me! Ha Ha

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Not him but he was genuine for better or worse. Kiss are cringe and only closeted homosexuals like more than a couple of their songs.

Nirvana is literally pro gay music, you're an idiot

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>As musicians?
Yes, the gargle hot diarrhea
>As businessmen
No those assholes are savvy as fuck. They own the image rights to the paint and have slowly fazed younger more talented musicians to play the shows while sitting back and collecting gates. They’re not easily recognizable without the paint and can generally go about their lives unharassed. They’ve beaten the game despite having no talent and I kind of admire them for it.

He grew up in a small logging town in Washington where most people wore flannel all the time. How is that fake? Everyone who started wearing it after '91 was fake but not him.

No he didn't, his past is entirely fabricated. Kirk Cocaine was not poor.

youtube.com/watch?v=eGSFokXPb9g

KISS fucking rules!!! \m/

yeah kiss sucks, i dont care about their gimmick shit, but they only have a couple of decent songs

>If they didnt dress up as clowns no one would have ever heard of them.

its so true. when they took off their make-up it went over so well they had to put it back on to stay famous.

But Kiss were extremely successful in the 80s even after the make-up came off.
What fucked up their status was the alternative rock boom of the early 90s. They had no problems at all adapting to a time when Motley Crue and Bon Jovi were the biggest bands around, but successfully adapting to the era of Jane's Addiction and Nine Inch Nails was a bit out of their reach. So they put the makeup and the costumes back on and accepted being nostalgia circuit dinosaurs, and it did work out pretty well for them.

yeah, the only good thing about them is ace

>doesn't like strutter
>doesn't like deuce
>doesn't like 100,000 years
>doesn't like cmon and love me
>doesn't like black diamond
>doesn't like she
>doesn't like parasite
>doesn't like strange ways
>doesn't like rock bottom
>doesn't like god of thunder
>doesn't like detroit rock city
>doesn't like love gun
>doesn't like i stole your love
>doens't like i want you
>doesn't like mr. speed
>doesn't like war machine
>doesn't like psycho circus
>doesn't like i love it loud
>doesn't like cold gin
>doesn't like

DOESN'T
LIKE
ROCK

KISS took the makeup off to maintain their career, they started getting a lot more love once they did and had a successful career through the entire 80's despite not being as big as the younger bands and reasonably so

I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT HER

>they had to put it back on to stay famous.

>So they put the makeup and the costumes back on and accepted being nostalgia circuit dinosaurs
thanks for agreeing with me.

i hate this boomer so much

Outsdie of expressing little interest in waiting for him to come back, Gene recounted Paul actively tried to rearrange Eric's salary contractually cause he considered the hospital expenses a personal issue and nothing the band needed involvement in

Do you honestly think that KISS would have been famous if they didnt wear clown make-up? just based on the merits of their music alone? just curious.

They don't deserve respect, that much is clear

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And I hate you faggot, sludge metal fucking sucks, fuck you.

Based as all fuck rock on.

>only good thing is Ace
Name five Ace songs, you can't. I can.

Yeah any 20 year old fucking band has to resort to being a nostalgia act, it is what it is. I love the fuck out of Slayer....nobody, NOBODY cares about new Slayer music after Seasons. KISS lasted a hell of a lot longer than that in terms of having fans care, they had two decades and still have pockets of fans who love the shit they did after those two decades.

The face paint could be more skillfully applied.

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>Do you honestly think that KISS would have been famous if they didnt wear clown make-up? just based on the merits of their music alone? just curious.
Not as famous, no, in fact they'd be remembered a lot more fondly and probably a hipster favorite because they were an underground novelty who faded into obscurity, but Nirvana wouldn't have been famous if they looked like Cheap Trick or Poison or Rush or the Backstreet Boys or whatever either, right place right time right marketability

what do you call this hairstyle

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butt kiss

yes they do because they kiss butt

I used to like KISS when I was 10- first band I liked but then when I got older and heard other music I realized how crappy their music was and I was just hoodwinked by their comic book look

What happened to strutterposting?

“Fabulous wealth don’t give a fuck”

Kurt Cobain was the real deal. The way he dressed was raw, authentic, and hip. He wasn’t putting on an act with his performances, he was just being who he was, a tortured, brooding artist full of sincerity and passion.

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Kek

Black shredded wheat

jewfro earmuff sculpture

You were not into KISS

I thought I was but then I realized they sucked compared to other hard rock bands and I stopped listening to them.