I am working on improving my precision I want to become faster.
Hunter Allen
First for the true trinity: Bach, Mozart, Schoenberg.
Joshua Sullivan
Mozart, Schubert, Mendelssohn ou bas!
John Harris
Should I buy or rent a violin when starting out? Reddit says you can’t learn on a $150 piece of shit from amazon but I’m not sure
Nolan Baker
Glass, Reich, JJ Townley
Connor Edwards
Based Also based SHIT
You definitely can learn on a $150 piece of shit as a beginner. Might not sound great even when bowing correctly, but you can still clearly hear the difference between bowing with correct technique and bowing with incorrect technique
John Price
Agreed holy shit people talk about this guy like he is genius. Most overrated guy of all time. His name shouldn't even be brought up to be shit on.
Logan Allen
Vivaldi, Monteverdi, Mozart You can't top this
Jacob Gutierrez
Why not just go full Italic?
Kayden Cox
How is Beethoven so fucking good bros? It seems impossible for one man to be such a genius
Austin Smith
Are you saying I should underrate Mozart in that process?
Sebastian Diaz
I'm saying your overrating Vivaldi and Monteverdi.
I should add, the only other reasonable argument is Bach, Mozart and Brahms.
Brayden Jenkins
I can by going Gesualdo, Mozart, Bach Suck on that one
Sebastian Adams
>Brahms *Schumann
Liam Brown
Got me there.
Camden Richardson
Mozart will eternally be underrated and Beethoven will eternally be overrated These are natural constants
Logan Lopez
Beethoven is rated highly because he's the best. Mozart is second though.
Brody Baker
Beethoven is only perceived to be overrated by those little incapable of appreciating the subtle and sophisticated craft of quartet composition, mostly because they have not seriously attempted it themselves.
Beethoven is a fantastic composer but to claim that he wrote FOUR of the ten best symphonies of all time is lunacy, least of all for the indefinable "best." Even if we barely stray into the twentieth century, and constrain ourselves only to the most recognisable names, we are still left with Schubert, Haydn, Mahler, Bruckner, Mozart, Schumann and Brahms.
Kayden Walker
Let's be honest, Beethoven is the only symphonist who matters.
All my time scrolling through Yea Forums, I was not aware that /classical/ existed. This is the great epiphany. I clicked hoping to see some like-minded people having a light-hearted discussion. Nevermind
Gavin Watson
you
Jayden Clark
Then start a discussion, you boring gargantuan elitist faggot shit
Benjamin Garcia
It seems /classical/ is underrating Beethoven again. Thankfully based Richard Atkinson just uploaded a video on him: youtube.com/watch?v=2jzizAzTEDk
Brody Perry
>Oh how easy it is to become possessed by Scriabin, one of the most enigmatic and controversial artistic personalities of all time. Once one is bitten and the venom, in the form of his sound world, enters the body and soul, the effects become all-encompassing, even life-threatening! Not only emotionally – as one’s desperate quest for answers only results in more questions – but also physically, the reactions can be severe. Scriabin was not only the first to introduce madness into music; he also managed to synthesise it into an infectious virus that is entirely music-borne and affects the psyche in a highly irrational way. Thus ‘mystical experiences’ have been reported by listeners. One London critic described: “In my own case, on two occasions, I have seen radiant ashes of blinding coloured lights during performances of Scriabin’s music… It was totally different from the “thrill” of sensation or “tears” of pleasure, those emotions more commonly associated with conventional music… This experience convinces me that Scriabin’s music adjusts or negotiates human sensibilities in a mysterious and intuitive manner. He tapped sources as yet poorly documented or understood.” Others describe having visions of waves of light, golden ships on violet oceans, and bolts of fire during performances, even without the help of LSD. In all seriousness, however, if the effects are as radical on the receiving end, they are certainly no less intense on the performer’s part. based
Christian Sanchez
>Beethoven Symphonies: Most Badass Passages Based.
Chase Ramirez
Beethoven Symphonies: Most Badass Passages >Based.
Elijah Moore
thanks
Luke Miller
No it is not too difficult. I remember learning that piece actually. It is good for working on using different articulation in each hand, as well as dynamics and shifting hand positions.
Why the FUCK do people like Beethoven's 31st so much? I just don't understand it. I listen to and when I finish I'm just left with "was that it?", literally feeling nothing. 30 and 32 are so much better.
Anthony Turner
it's about subtlety 31 probably has the least obvious narrative of the last three, and the fugues make it quite hard to digest for some
Heard a piece of his once, think it was a sonata, was pleasantly surprised. Reminded me of Sorabji a bit though.
Hunter Ross
This is even less amusing than Charlie Looker's puppet. Fuck off
Colton King
dutilleux is a lot different though. his orchestral textures are amazing. the timbres he can pull out are amazing. sorabji is more of a piano composer. his cello concerto is my favourite. so many brilliant, shimmering string harmonic chords. youtube.com/watch?v=O2qmECLxnCY
Sorabji is more of a wanker. There is little difference between his "music" and that of crude AI's
Cooper Russell
Yes he is very different obviously. It's just that piano sonata reminded me a bit of Sorabji. I'll check this guy out.
Bentley Jenkins
usually id agree but i like a couple sorabji pieces. le jardin parfume is pretty nice. i save the title of wanker for people like xenakis and ferneyhough whose music serves more as an intellectual exercise than expressive art
Luke Scott
Based Sorabji, he was truly ascended.
Thomas Butler
I get Ferneyhough, but Xenakis? I think his music is expressive, but in a very non-conventional way. He did look at music as something closer to architecture and mathematics after all.
Wyatt Russell
speaking of sorabji lads, how the FUCK do i say his name?
xenakis does nothing for me at all. if you can get something out of his music im actually glad for you. just not my thing
Guys, I respect that you listen to all those composers, more well known or obscure, but let's be serious for a moment now: if you really think about it, and stop pretending, all you need is Bach, Beethoven and Wagner
I’m the user who uploaded Book Folder #2. Right now the link is working but it might stop soon because I don’t use Mega for anything outside of keeping that upload up. If you are interested in keeping it in the list I suggest for some more active user than me to download it and re-upload from a different account because honestly I can’t be bothered actively using an account just to keep an upload up.
Nah, 4'33'' is relatively straightforward: you listen to the "silence" and the everyday sounds of your surroundings and your own body that you normally bypass. Time also suddenly goes way slower while 5 minutes is nothing in the context of your average hurried day. It's entry level philosophy a la >bro 5 minutes is like nothing but now it's almost an eternity and also you never sit in silence There's a lot of more pretentious pieces that this, including in Cage's own work.
Austin Lewis
You're obviously confusing pretense with ostentation then
Aiden Perry
How so?
Jace Evans
I thought I didnt like Opera but enjoyed Boris Godunov and Sadko. Any recommendation that isnt Italian or Mozart?
Michael Garcia
if you like modernism listen to king roger and duke bluebeard
Jayden Bennett
Gounod's Faust Boris Godunov Parsifal
Wyatt Williams
Tomorrow's gonna be raining all day long, is there anything you specifically like to listen to on rainy days?
Violiniggas, do any of you know what it may cost to get a rib right by the neck back into place? It's only the very end of it at the neck that is curling out.
Hunter Reed
Do you know the C minor Miserere already? youtu.be/4nAdVnAQ8n0 This is everything that makes Zelenka so special, all in 15 minutes If you really want to get into Zelenka, the late masses are considered his Best Missa Dei Patris Missa Dei Filli Missa Omnium Sanctorum Also here's a very powerful a capella piece from his Responsories youtu.be/bbwTmmH2UlY
Isaiah Brown
Good music >Bach (Set the quality standard tier) >Mozart >Gesualdo >Haydn >Lotti >Zelenka >Byrd >Ramsey >Palestrina >von Biber >Buxtehude >Martin Kraus >Monteverdi >Sorabji >Schoenberg >Rameau >Berg >Stockhausen >Handel >CPE Bach
Bad music >Beethoven (Ruined music tier) >Rossini >Brahms >Wagner >Mahler >Tchaikovsky >Shostakovich >Chopin >Debussy >Satie >Saint-Saens >Holst >Williams >von Weber >Zimmer >Gounod >Cage >Glass >Verdi >Schumann >Schubert
Can I get some based and nostalgic September-core music?
Nathaniel Sanders
yes I do thanks Glen
Parker Taylor
>all these people underrating Bach He's your favourite composer's favourite composer and scared them to be less shit. They all lived in his shadow.
Joseph Brown
Thoughts on Crusell's clarinet concertos? I heard #3 on the radio the other day and the focus on a less commonly featured instrument really appealed to me. Also shameless request to suggest other concertos featuring somewhat unusual instruments. youtube.com/watch?v=uFXSHmroIFI
Even the normies of the normies plebs would recognize this.
Oliver Cooper
And now Bach fans are childishly trying to impersonate me to make it look like I earn money by sucking cock, which everyone knows I do for free. Kindergarten jabs befitting kindergartener fans of a kindergarten musician.
Dylan Wilson
Most people only know about Mozart. Bach isn't in the public consciousness, which makes sense because his music is boring and forgettable.
Josiah Collins
>1 minute between posts lel
Asher Rodriguez
Bach fans are indeed gigantic faggots.
Jacob Campbell
Fucking brainlets can't into polyphony.
Andrew Richardson
Which by the way is why I always return here to suck Bach fans' cocks
Easton Nelson
>muh polyphony
Connor Flores
>Bach is so boring and forgettable! >pls feed me cliche melodies
stay mad brainlet
Dominic Carter
Bach got no rhythm. If it got no rhythm to suck cock to, it's shit.
Lincoln Jenkins
Bach fans like sucking cock.
Luis Barnes
seriously get a fucking life
Jason Powell
Bach fans need to get off this general. Fucking faggots.
Mason Morris
Bach fans like having their cock sucked, which is why I keep coming here.
Why yes, I am addicted to Bach fans' semen. I'm just playing contrarian to rouse them up. Everyone knows Bach isn't shit, his music is just too sublime and holy for a perverted degenerate freak of nature like me.
Camden Ward
Crap.
Benjamin Rogers
Bach created degenerate music for degenerate people.
>In 1939-1940, Stravinsky contemptuously dismissed the Muscovite as "an ideological, pathological, and sociological disorder that took possession of music with impudent unconcern." Adding rootless cosmopolitanism to Scriabin's list of offenses, Stravinsky mused, "Frankly, is it possible to connect a musician like Scriabin with any tradition whatsoever?" Composer Nicolas Nabokov, a former member of Diaghilev's inner circle, recalled how during the early 1940s, Soviet critics and audiences believed that "Scriabin's eroticism was good only for high-strung adolescents, that his orgasms were fake, and that his musical craft was singularly old-fashioned, dusty, and academic."
>One of the most vociferous anti-Scriabinists during Zhdanovshchina was the music critic and former RAPM member Boris Shteinpress (1908-1986). Bowers reported that at the height of the controversy Shteinpress sneered at Scriabin as a "degenerate formalist of the worst sort" and claimed that "listeners should be saved from the degrading experience of having to listen to him." In a 1948 article, Shteinpress took direct aim at Scriabin:
>Scriabin's innovations are not a development, but a destruction of the fundamentals of classical music. [. . .] Scriabin's artificiality is concerted into normality in a manner in which classical-realism is reduced to extraordinary sounds for the sake of sheer display. [. . .] If we do not decisively crush this bourgeois liberalism and its idealistic viewpoints, this trend will become rampant in our musical literature.
Oliver Lopez
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit.
Connor Hill
>You're on an island, you can only take music from one composer, which one do you take?
Jace Evans
Anyone but Bach so I won't be stuck with literal garbage.
Tyler Jackson
t. rootless cosmopolitan
Jonathan Gutierrez
>The Russian composer Alexander Scriabin once declared that without Jews, ‘music would die out.’ Yet, he went on to explain that this talent stemmed from the biologically feminine character of the Jewish race, which predisposed them to more sensitive, lyrical instruments: ‘For an orchestra to sound right,’ he confided to a colleague, ‘it must have no less than 15 percent Jews in the string and horn sections.’
>Scriabin's daughter Ariadna Scriabina (1906–1944) became a hero of the French Resistance, and was posthumously awarded the Croix de guerre and the Médaille de la Résistance. Her third marriage was to the poet and WWII Resistance fighter David Knut after which she converted to Judaism and took the name Sarah. She co-founded the Zionist resistance movement Armée Juive and was responsible for communications between the command in Toulouse and the partisan forces in the Tarn district and for taking weapons to the partisans, which resulted in her death when she was ambushed by the French Militia.
>Frankly, is it possible to connect a musician like Scriabin with any tradition whatsoever? Obviously not, Igor. Because Scriabin is an alien, he is out of this world, he had transcended this material world which is full of spooks such as "tradition". Also >Soviet criticism kek
Tradition is nothing more than a continuation of practices and institutions. It can die as fast as it starts and has absolutely no value on its own. It is a result of consciousness imagining to be something that it is not in reality. I am a traditionalist by the way.
>It is a result of consciousness imagining to be something that it is not in reality. >he thinks that's not what goes on with every experience >he thinks that such a thing as "reality" exists as a separable compound to be extracted from subjectivity, and is not a mold that the subject itself casts on concepts, as well as other judgments that it itself feels to be a subjective imposition
>>he thinks that's not what goes on with every experience I do though lmao so fuck your traditions Stravinsky because they are hallucinations >muh copernican revolution fine fine
Kevin Evans
/classical/ was terrible before. now it's abysmal.
Carson Evans
>wahhh you're supposed to just post names and links, stop posting images and talking to each other
nah, we scriabros were just minding our own business, posting music like everybody else, but then come the haters that corrupt these threads and turn them into a dick flinging contest.
Thomas Jackson
Why does the Chaconne sound better in guitar than in violin?
Too much rubato for my taste at some parts, but at least she followed the original score instead of Segovia's arrangement reproducing Busoni's typos. For me this is still the definitive performance youtube.com/watch?v=QqA3qQMKueA
Justin Foster
virgin beethoven: austrian resident born in the rhineland with flemish and spanish ancestry and flemish surname Chad Sorabji: british citizen born at the heart of england descending from persians from india with persian/arabic-turkish surname
>Gmaj7/#5 I dont agree with analyzing Bach like this Bach's sense of harmony wasn't vertical like a jazz musician, he understood harmony horizontally, in terms of intervals, each independent line, counterpoint If Beato likes suspensions so much he should check out this youtu.be/WpPJWFONvaEmm
Jason Phillips
And Liszt sucks too
William Scott
Basic harmony fags that can't into counterpoint wouldn't get it otherwise
Jacob Cox
Those composers are different in kind. Like virtually no list of bad composers ought to include the likes of Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann and Brahms. There is no angle from which this can even be remotely justified. At least with someone like Liszt, you could say his style is ostentatious. At least with Shostakovich you can take issue with his irony. But BSSB is beyond reproach.
Noah Richardson
Schumann's orchestration is sloppy Brahms was a baroque style fetishist and wannabe and couldn't make anything like his idols Schubert is Beethoven but worse And I don't actually listen to Beethoven, because he was 5'2
Jackson Reed
Literally the (not even) wrongest anyone has ever been for the entire history of /classical/. Now check dese
Do you guys ever post your own music in these threads? I feel weird going into the Soundcloud ones, cause I'm not making hip hop or trap beats.
Carson Powell
someone did once, and got told to fuck off because his music was, inevitably, shit
Mason Reyes
wtf based mods
Charles King
I mean. Fair. I doubt many people are gonna compare to Wagner, or Bach, or whoever. Just feels weird posting orchestral stuff in threads full of rap and electronica. Doesn't 100% jive with the audience.
Daniel Martin
All those deleted posts were made by the same guy? Fucking hell
Ethan Baker
You can try posting it here but people will likely be very rude about it. So long as you're willing to distill that down to something constructive, fire away champ.
Christopher Hughes
How much of a difference will a budget amplifier make for listening? I have good headphones already.
Jonathan Jones
Hey man, it's art. If you can't take criticism, you're not gonna get far.
This is just a recording I whipped up over the course of a few days. It's arrangement of a cue for a play I scored a while or so back. The melody stuck with me though, and I wanted to flesh out the orchestration in parts, and make a more "complete" composition out of it, haha.
David Thompson
It's cool that you're playing with timbres, but the voice leading in the section where the second strings come in is off-putting.
Hunter Stewart
The second cello? Yeah, that's actually due to it being another character's theme meant to underscore the main melody in a sort of counterpoint fashion. At least in the play. I debated whether or not I wanted to change that up too much for this arrangement.
His best works: Gurre-Lieder Op. 9 - Kammersymphonie No. 1 Op. 10 - Streichquartett No. 2 Op. 11 - Drei Klavierstücke Op. 21 - Pierrot Lunaire Op. 25 - Suite für Klavier Op. 30 - Streichquartett No. 3 Op. 31 - Variationen für Orchester Op. 36 - Violinkonzert Op. 45 - Streichtrio Op. 47 - Fantasie für Violine und Klavier Moses und Aron
Jonathan Perry
It's almost as watching an elephant paint random strokes on a canvas. Or fucking 'avant-garde' paintings where there's just a few strokes randomly made with brushes.
