Yes I make beats

thats the equivalent of sitting at a piano with no training and pressing keys until you find a catchy rhythm you can loop
does that make someone a pianist?

neither sampling another person playing drums nor programming a drum machine are playing an instrument

Instruments require talent and training, drum machines require neither

it is not playing an instrument, but it is creating music.

>Instruments require talent and training
incorrect
>drum machines require neither
incorrect

You cannot create music without playing an instrument you fucking brainlet

as long as the music is good, who gives a shit about 'talent'?

playing a drum machine is to real drums what your dad humming is to michael jackson singing
yeah humming is creating music but....

t. Talentless hack
>Why yes, Aphex Twin is my favorite artist, how could you tell?

>drum machines
Yes, it is an instrument in which you need to play rhythmically.
>does that make someone a pianist?
Well, do they play piano?
>thats the equivalent of sitting at a piano and pressing keys to make the sound you want
So yes.
>neither sampling another person playing drums
A synth is not an instrument?
>Instruments require talent and training
So a drum is not an instrument? A triangle? The human voice?
What about spoons? Or hitting a car door to make a percussive sound?

creating a looped catchy rhythm is appealing to a lower common denominator. people are essentially enjoying ring tones because they dont know how to appreciate real dynamic instrumentation

Music that will never have the special touch that a master of an instrument brings.

Well then i guess that makes drum machines an instrument then? You're going down a loop of circular logic and you're the one looking like a retard

>the human voice does not require talent and training

Exclusively using sampling to create music is not the same as creating music, it's like taking audio of a man shitting and calling it experimental jazz, it doesn't work like that

electronic midi shit from japan has more human touch than any bullshit tool or dream theater can come up with

You're further implying a drum machine is an instrument, which it objectively is not

>What about spoons? Or hitting a car door to make a percussive sound?
if you tuned these sounds and made a melody out of them, sure. if you left them untuned and made IDM out of them, sure. why are you so attached to traditional instrumentation?

actually I was thinking more like Rubinstein, Horowitz, Arrau, Coltrane, Evans, Sonny Rollins...that sort of thing

you can train to get better at it, but at a baseline most everybody can sing. its just what people do in the wild

you don't listen to any of those artists on a regular basis, you're just namedropping good instrumentalists to pretend to have taste.

>>the human voice does not require talent and training

>He doesn't understand how singing works
>He posts on Yea Forums

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Nobody ITT has ever produced or recorded music before.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_machine

>electronic musical instrument

who's to say that dynamic instrumentation cant be emulated with sampling. there's no real line anyways. does a mellotron not count as a real instrument since it's just samples?

nobody dedicates themselves to car doors and spoons like an instrumentalist dedicates themselves to their instrument
you can't be the Segovia of slamming car doors

Meant to (you)

you act like producing/recording music is hard to do. I could download 1 or 2 things and do it in my room

>>the human voice does not require talent and training
Correct, it does not *require* it. I person with no training can still sing, and their voice is still an instrument
>Exclusively using sampling to create music is not the same as creating music,
It is exactly the same thing. You are creating music. You are creatively changing a sound into a new sound, organizing it into something else.
> why are you so attached to traditional instrumentation?
Are you replying to the right person?
Irrelevant. "Dedication" is not necessary for an item to be an instrument.

Post your music.

yea like how you can just start a business and become a millionaire

>who's to say that dynamic instrumentation cant be emulated with sampling.
it probably could be, but it rarely is
sampling is an easy out to mass produce cheap catchy rhythms. people that really care about music usually play instruments. I consider kanye west to be pretty dynamic and soulful with his beats. not many producers are kanye west

Textbook autism.

>moving goalposts
all you said was produce and record

shit taste confirmed

Yes that's what i was saying
Poser detected
Yeah no shit, that was my point you fucking retard

I like Pete Rock and RZA too

so what you're confirming is that, like all other instruments, it can be played well and by someone well trained, or it can be done badly or by someone poorly trained. guitar is an easy tool to produce power chord riffs.

This is the first decent use of this meme I've seen so far. Could have been done much better with a different image tho.

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>what is a capella

I'm literally a free lance engineer and in several bands

any sequence of notes you play on an instrument has been thought of by someone else before, making it another person's sound just as much as a sample

sure but I think in the professional world, you're far more likely to see high level guitar playing vs high level sampling or synth usage

Actually I listen to all of them regularly and own several books on most of them. "Remembering Horowitz" in particular is a real treat. It's full of remorable reflections like, from David Bar-Illan's contribution: "Like an actor who with unrelieved intensity makes one forget the text, the playwright, the theater, the world, Horowitz made the composer's pristine "intentions" totally irrelevant. (Which is probably what most composers really want.) He was not praying at anyone's altar, he was not anyone's humble messenger. It was he who was sitting on Mt. Olympus, no one else. He, the master magician who breathed life into sounds. He, the mesmerizer, the spellbinder. And he was probably the last of a breed. The day of the magician-pianist is gone. And many would undoubtedly say good riddance. But I listen to pianists who faithfully convey the printed page, who play faster octaves than he did, whose tone is more ravishing, phrasing more natural, musicianship more impressive; and I remember the tear brought on by his Scarlatti, the terror of his Liszt Sonata, the palpitations induced by Pictures, the wrenching anguish of the Rachmaninoff Third, the other-worldliness of the Kreisleriana, the childish joy of Moszkowski, the sheer disbelief of Stars and Stripes...And I feel I was privileged to know a world gone forever."
It's a great book full of many different takes on what it is to be a true instrumentalist. Check it out sometime.

ill do you one better. anytime you listen to a song you are just performing a sample of the original instance in which it was recorded

congratulations. you beat that guy in the autism battle

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Post your works.

>this does not require training
youtube.com/watch?v=dLs-Z47oFYw

Putting samples together in a way that makes (good) music is a skill and requires practice.

youtube.com/watch?v=_FZKMFWMeII

DAWs are tools not instruments. Saying a DAW is an instrument makes you sound retarded and tells anyone who makes music you don't know what you're talking about

how is a daw not an instrument and how is an instrument not a tool

a "producer" is just another type of instrumentalist

you use instruments within the daw. Virtual instruments within the DAW != the DAW.

Producing is an art, for sure. Instrumentalist isn't the right word IMO

It's nothing next to playing Scarbo well. Not even on the same planet.

how is chopping stuff up and stretching it in audacity not using it as an instrument
for the record, i do think you could make an art out of slamming cars doors in more or less the same way as playing violin
people place arbitrary value on the length of the clip you're triggering
shorter triggers = more talent
lots of immediate, subtle, and dynamics triggers available = most technically challenging, i.e. piano (although DAWs can achieve the exact same)
but remember it doesn't count if it's not also physical exercise
music is just a faggier version of sports

I don't think you understand what goes into playing violin at a high level.

All of you are so fucking stupid

you don't have to be playing a violin at a high level for it to be an instrument dumbass

If you actually knew what it takes to play violin, you wouldn't be saying that slamming car doors is comparable. Violin is an extremely difficult instrument, and the artistry it takes could never be approached by slamming car doors.

i'm saying that the artistry required to play it isn't the deciding factor on whether or not something is a real instrument or not. lots of instruments require different skill levels, and some people may just be able to pick up an instrument faster than others. just because photorealistic painting takes more time and effort than abstract art doesn't make it less artistic