Why are drum machines used to make simple beats for simple people instead of to make beats humans physically can't play

It always struck me strangely that people either like or have no opinion one way or the other about drum machines, AutoTune, and programmed music. But, I guess that's the beauty of life. If you like something, then damn it, go for it! However, *I* -- just as a personal preference -- like music performed ENTIRELY by humans with no assists by robotics or computers. Does that make me somehow better than you? Probably.

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A drum machine is just another instrument, as long as a human is programming it. You could use it in a thoroughly uncreative manner, but there's absolutely nothing stopping you from writing sick drum machine solos.

Chicks don't want to twerk to polyrhythms

so basically
>drum machines are used to make chartbait that has no artistic or creative merit

you should maybe listen to more interesting music
youtube.com/watch?v=_U8T0mTa-fI

it's the difference between people who understand electronic music and those who don't

protip: electronic instruments don't actually do everything for you

no, drum machines can be used for whatever you want. stuff that's made for popular appeal is chartbait that has no artistic or creative merit

youtube.com/watch?v=gtC-iN_PFlM

Ask Zappa

Here's the difference: Let's say I got a complex, or even a simple math problem. I give the problem to two people. One breaks out a pad and pencil, writes it down, and figures it out with his brain. The other whips out a calculator or opens Excel, plugs the numbers in and then parrots the answer that the device gave him. Both submitted the right goddamn answer. But which method has more integrity to it?

The parallel to music today is very similar.

Imagine going to a concert, a 15,000 seat arena, capacity crowd, to see a computer manufacture sounds sent through banks of Marshall amps. Not a musician in sight. And the crowd in ecstasy.

It won't stop there. Soon, we'll have professional sports taken over by robots. MLB Baseball is already experimenting with automated umpires. Players next? Imagine the money saved. Robots don't need $400 million over 13 years.

But hey? Like what you like. I'll stick with the old stuff. There's something about the human touch.

>Integrity
Literally irrelevant. I care about music. You seem to care about some metaphysical soul bullshit that isn't actually music, but the idea of music.

any serious math shit now is done with software

also music isn't a sport

What's the point of making complex polyrhythms?
They add nothing to a song besides making it sound more complex

nobody wants drummers around

what's the point of using any musical device?

Because listening to the same 4/4 beat gets boring pretty much immediately. Music is supposed to be interesting, polyrhythms add interest and texture.

There's practically infinite combinations of rhythms and melodies you can make on 4/4, or on odd meters
Complex polyrhythms, like 13/16 to 5/8 add nothing to the music besides sounding weird, and the replay value is drastically decreased through using them

>Complex polyrhythms, like 13/16 to 5/8
No, a polyrhythm would be playing (for example) 4/4 and 6/8 at the same time with different instruments (or multiple drummers / drum machines)

That's not a complex polyrhythm, it gets used in top 40s pop music

Those aren't mutually exclusive, if you actually analysed top 40 you'd be surprised what they sneak in sometimes

But I misread your post as "or" instead of "to" so my mistake

Why is Yea Forums so retarded. Absolutely retarded.

I do, it's really not that deep lol, that most basic polyrhythm is not actually common

I only used it as an example because when I originally misread your post as "or" I thought you assumed any time signature more complex than 4/4 was a polyrhythm.

>why are pianos used to make listenable music and not just banged on like BANG BANG BANG

>*I* -- just as a personal preference -- like music performed ENTIRELY by humans with no assists by robotics or computers
I hope you only listen to music live (though even there there's generally computers involved to some degree) then because computers are used in making studio albums.

because they want the sound of a drum machine

there's still bands who do production on tape

Man, Autechre is something else. It's like the last bastion of music before it turns into random noise.

It's not a Yea Forums problem, it's a Yea Forums problem

youtube.com/watch?v=Gw9ni9zXc7A

This. There is so much great electronic music that isn't boring edm trash or pop

Lmao

Depends on what you mean. A lot of electronic music from 90's will use simple beats but they're layered with so many different accents and rhythms they are indeed unplayable:
youtube.com/watch?v=6S7TzDJB67E

But that's still a rhythmic example. There is electronic music that is more focused on making fucked up beats like Drill N Bass and Glitch. I'm not into those genres so I'll let someone else post examples if they want to.

I think in general, people relate to "playable" sounding electronic music simply because the last 3 million years of music has all been, by defnintion, playable. It's a relatable and familiar sound.

I agree with your general sentiment though. A lot of electronic music is stupidly focused on replicating sounds, getting the highest production values, or copying a fad. Outside of the mid 90s, eletronic hasn't ever been about pushing the boundaries of music. Even the "experimental" artists of nowadays are just covering the same ground that was covered in the 90s and early 2000s.

>better than you
i don't think so.
you can like the music you like and i'll like the music that i like.

the computer you use wasn't made by humans with their bare hands. have fun starving in a mud hut in africa

*drum machine starts*

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FUCKING KEK

did someone say, drum machine?

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Which member of Nsync is this?

ballbusta bowie

theres plenty of music that is drum machines meant to sound like a real drummer AND isnt playable by a real drummer. i am a drumdum and austistically air drum to music cnstantly when im alone in a very realistic way and sometimes i just have to give upp

listen to more electronic music. It's all about the drums.

Because music doesn't subscribe to the view that certain instruments or forms are specifically meant for certain forms of music. It's called art.

by your standard anything by neil peart is probably unplayable and he isn't a machine

youtube.com/watch?v=zioEaqjPAGI
not saying a drummer couldn't play this, but I'd be extremely impressed

im bretty godtier drummer doot. and you know what i mean, im aware of dryums enoough to know when studio trickery was involved or machines, it happens in music quite a bit. ive even searched for live versions of songs that had ridicadank drumming in it and the drummer couldnt pull it off. but yeah, im just freeballn here

attention, this is now a drum and BASED bowie thread, do not combat.
youtu.be/pF3EQydC9BA

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there's thousands of drummers that can play this

>tfw Bowie's dead and we'll never get more music from him

I think you're greatly underestimating how difficult that pattern is.

try it
youtu.be/UNilsLf6eW4

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here's an actual drum cover btw
youtu.be/-Vkz7bRqBg8