Thoughts on sampling?

Great technique when used in an imaginative way, but 99% of times that isn't the case.

See axiom 2 you mongoloid

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good artists don't excist

You have anger issues user...

I agree tbqdesu. There are just artists, and they're either skilled or shit at how they recreate the world and you either appreciate their vision or you don't.

You just did moron

cool
not cool when "lo-fi" channels rip tracks off wholesale by just speeding them up or putting them through a shitty filter

He has anger issues.

>rip tracks off wholesale by just speeding them up or putting them through a shitty filter
It's called NIGHTCORE you philistine.
Or vaporwave, if you just slow it down...

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fpbp

Retard

a powerful tool in the hands of some, and an over-abused crutch in the hands of others

Sampling is great and teenagers on here who thinks it takes no talent have never tried to produce anything in their lives. Just like any other aspect of music it can be done well or it can be done poorly

Fpbp

I love hearing something recontextualized. Sampled hip hop got me caring about instrumentation and sound in a way beyond "it sounds good" so I love it. It's a tool like any other.

sampling is amazing but i still think there’s room to grow when it comes to things like granular synthesis and more abstract sampling. one of the most underrated things about sampling is its creation of near infinite and unique timbres, and imo not enough is taking advantage of that quality at the moment

Chicago House and late 70s/early 80s clubs did it before Hip-Hop, lookup Paradise Garage 1979

There's a lot of sample based artists that don't even bother trying to make something sound musical. Sampling is best when the samples are combined in a way that makes the gaps between them hard to hear and when they form good music. There's too many artists that just combine a bunch of samples into a "sound collage" that sounds like shit. I like sampling in general though.

But user, that first poster is retarded. And doesn’t relate to the rest of your post.

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rip dj screw

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J Dilla was the best at it
youtube.com/watch?v=Hizl_SEn9dM

Endtroducing sucks ass and is an argument against sampling

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>and is an argument against sampling
Explain with an actual argument.

good posts

Can’t wait to hear your shitty reasoning for Entroducing taking no talent. That thing is still mind blowing to this day

You guys are ahead of yourselves. I never said sampling is inherently bad. Endtroducing is just a bad album to be the face of what you can do with it because it sucks

>Endtroducing is just a bad album to be the face of what you can do with it because it sucks
Explain my dude. Using one album (especially just Hip Hop) as the face of sampling is dumb. But End is still top tier as fuck. And is an example of good sampling.

In principle I'm not against it but these days music software is so accessible that there are literally thousands of talentless retards who are justifying ripping songs the fuck off by saying it's 'sampling', e.g the entire vaporwave catalogue

>my dude
Goodbye

Its either extemely based or extremely cringe

So in any other reality where I didn’t say my dude. You were actually going to explain your reasoning?
Or is this just your epic ploy to get out of this discussion?

Let's be honest here. Most of you wouldn't be opposed to sampling if it wasn't rooted in the inarguably black art form of hip hop. You racist fucks reflexively try to discredit any and all black achievement because it threatens your white supremacist ideals and false sense of superiority.

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when was it used in the 16th century?

Without sampling I never would have heard of any of this

youtube.com/watch?v=TYGaJr7G3Dc
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youtube.com/watch?v=luuVzFTMLL0
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hip hop and DJs have been around since the late 70s

youtu.be/SNdcFPjGsm8

>caring about instrumentation and sound in a way beyond "it sounds good" so I love it
What do you care about the music you listen to beyond whether or not it sounds good?

Real answer. If it started as a white art form it wouldn’t be controversial.

It kind of did start as a white art form with French musique concrète artists in the 40's and 50's.

I agree with the OP and don’t understand how people can only care about music in so far as it sounding good. The context behind it, the background and ambitions of the artist, and the overall themes of the work are important too for appreciating it as a whole. You care about those other things BECAUSE the music sounds good and it gets you more wrapped up in the story behind it.

i like how death grips sample themselves.

Educate me

All samples should be credited and compensated and there was literally nothing wrong with the Biz Markie ruling

Pierre Schaeffer was one of the first artists to manipulate recorded tapes to create rhythms and different timbres.

youtu.be/tJwoQlYUVTk
youtu.be/rI33dVLLpRA

Sampling and effectively arranging the sounds of other musical pieces (and non-musical as well) to create something bigger and new is an art within itself. Endtroducing is a timeless example of this art done to near perfection. Its a shame that DJ Shadow and most other artists under the umbrella of plunderphonics/ instrumental hip hop were never really able to recreate the magic of Endtroducing. I think RJD2's Deadringer and Dan The Automator's: Lovage Music to make love to your old lady by (instrumental version) are the only 2 albums that even really come close.

>Endtroducing, 3 feet high, etc

Producing

fucking based racist wreckers. we need more like you on Yea Forums.

That’s cool. The second one is surprisingly weird and abstract for the time.

You could argue Shadow got much better after End from production.
Sadly, most people don’t care or haven’t listen.

Not retarded, he's entirely correct. Read a music history book for once.
Baroque composers "sampled" AKA stole melodies or even whole pieces of music and transformed them from other composers, dead or living, or from Gregorian chants, all the time. This was common practice and not frowned upon.

I'm using samples in my new debut EP but I don't know how to do it without it sounding egregious.

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>-false- sense of superiority

almost had me with the low effort troll attempt.
5/7.

Shiny suit era hip hop was also particularly awful. When appropriately used, it's great.

>Proceeds to define sampling incorrectly
You should read a book, or rather. Actually play an instrument.

Schaeffer isn't really the best example of musique concrete. All the other GRM composers were better than he was, although they didn't stick to his ideals at all.

I like that you're just asserting that "it's a bad album" as though that's some kind of objective fact. You've got nothing.

He pussied out. He’s not even worth further (you)s.

Interpolation isn't really that different from sampling. A lot of early hip hop (for example Rapper's Delight, White Lines, etc.) used interpolation in the same way that people use sampling now.

Brian Eno & David Byrne perfected it in the 70s and nobody has come near since