Why does Yea Forums hate me?

just imagine the climax of a smiths song

I'd like you to point to one leftist who was laughing at this strawman right wing person. If you use a screenshot some literally-who on twitter with a fringe left ideology as your evidence then you're retarded.

is that the notre dame?
be honset did you even hear about it before it burned down lmao get fucked retard

Talent deficiency

>I'd like you to point to one leftist who was laughing
>But if you actually do that, you're retared
The absolute state of you

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>it's been a form of leftist and counter culture expression all across the world, not just the western bubble
I'm pretty sure it's more often historically been used for traditional and religious purposes. Besides the fact that plenty of the greatest art has been done as odes or tributes to religious or traditional values, or a positive expression of those subjects, your claim falls apart by the mere existence of church choral music.

>has no evidence
figures, I guess you really were going to post twitter screencaps as evidence huh?

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I don't :(
What is: Traditionalism?

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Not really, more prefer one over another etc

i like his music but i can't stand his politics

>Traditionalism
a shitty crutch neo-reactionaries use to support their even shittier rethoric

proponents of this brand of retardation would probably dismiss traditional forms of music that don't align with their ideology

the burning of it was in itself artistic. you wouldn't understand that though, wouldn't you?

>proponents of this brand of retardation would probably dismiss traditional forms of music that don't align with their ideology

Who doesnt do this?

I love Moz
Any Englishman who doesn't either has shit taste in music or is blind to the state of this shithole of a nation.

>proponents of this brand of retardation would probably dismiss traditional forms of music that don't align with their ideology
As opposed to you, doing the exact opposite and trying to seem like you're in the right? Politics aren't as black and white as the general left tries so desperately to present

I'm not him. I'm just a guy exposing your bullshit rethoric

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>Politics aren't as black and white as the general left tries so desperately to present
funny how tradionalism only appears connected to a very specific ideology

>Politics aren't as black and white
Brainlet, the ideologies and history between them is morally murky, but modern politics itself is very much one or the other. Especially since one party adopts conflicting policies with their own ideology just to garner voters. It's very straight forward and trying to claim that it's a "complex subject" is stupid.

his solo work really isn't that spectacular and you shouldn't dickride artists just because they share political stances with you

Moz is a liberal nationalist, not alt-right
The fact so many people believe otherwise is honestly astounding and just shows how far the general left is from actually hearing both sides
If you'd like to see a good impression on what Moz is ACTUALLY like, check out his interview with Sam Esty Rayner
morrisseycentral.com/messagesfrommorrissey/page/7

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>liberal nationalist
is that a codeword for
GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

someone make him get into an accident though for real

>modern politics itself is very much one or the other
And what side made it that way might I ask?

>liberal nationalist
that's why he keeps harping on about immigrants?
either he doesn't know what liberal nationalism means (unsurprising) or he's a fucking hypocrite (also not surprising tbf)

>The absolute state of anti-Morrissey Yea Forumstards
At least have something intelligent to say, instead of being aggressive/nearly homophobic

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Both sides made it that way, when one party adopts a policy, the other party takes the contrarian stance even if it doesn't align with their ideology. This has been politics since it's inception. This is even more apparent for brits who just have an absolute mess of a political system.

Not him but I'm sure he means Left-wing nationalism not liberal

i don't get it are you roleplaying as moz right now you realize he looks like he stinks and i would casually throw my fist into his flower face in the happy haze of a drunken hour?

how the fuck can you mistake those? is this some sort of 'liberalism = left' american reasoning?

He's gay and is anti trump, anti thatcher, anti royal, pro working class. Odd right winger.

Liberalism is and always has been more in line with left-leaning ideals than right

you know who I hate? billy fucking bragg, preachy cunt with bad music that never shuts up

wtf is odd about that there are about 50,000 british youtubers doing that shtick right now.
but their british so yea

IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN INDIVIDUALS POLITICS ARE NOT IRON-BOUND TO A BASIC DICHOTOMY WOAH

Fuck Billy Bragg. Folk punk is pure shit.

Can't stand the cunt.
I can forgive shit like Andrew Eldritch's retarded political opinions if they make good music.
Bragg is just a twat.

He has the politics that alienate literally everyone.

only in the us

And by that I mean he's too right wing on immigration for the left, too gay and non capitalist for the right.

*include
>They exclude me, therefore they must exclude everyone!
Gay, anti trump, anti monarchy, anti thatcher, pro working class does not sound very outlying to me

what are you talking about that's like 99% of the british alt-right

>alt-right
See:

Because you're not Robert Smith

>Implying that's better
Robert Smith is the biggest hack of the 80s period, if a pretentious cunt ever walked the earth, thy name is Robert

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>english nationalist
>lives in LA for 20 years and loves his Mexican fanbase
>ethnic Irish
I think he just read too much clickbait

seethe!

>Yea Forums is left wing

I think you're the one who did

How can anyone think he's even remotely racist/alt right with these relations? The only reason he's said venomous things about the Chinese and Muslim people is because of their treatment of animals, not out of any sort of prejudice

Would anyone here endorse a black Africa, or an Asian Asia? I certainly hope not if the very thought of a white Europe is so appalling. I don’t think there is anything particularly offensive about the concept of Europe being predominantly white. It always has been, after all. The Moors had a go, but were eventually kicked out. The first attempts by Islam to conquer Europe predate the first crusade by four hundred years or so.

Nationalism and the alt-right has nothing to do with it. If I decided to go to Vienna tomorrow I would want it to be like Vienna. I don’t want to see Starbucks and McDonalds and M&S. I’d feel the same about Bangkok or Buenos Aires. I want to see and enjoy their cultures, not some homogeneous sprawl indistinct from Los Angeles.

Based, the only country that should be a cultural melting pot is the USA, as it always has been and that's what makes it great

That's just Americanization's fault not immigration.

>if i give a different name for alt-right i'm not alt-right
bruh are you retarded

I agree, although there are fringe white nationalist Americans that don't but their case isn't strong considering the history of the country.

Lit is like Boulangiste fuck off.

Also Moz based

It's literally full of commies.

You must be 5 levels of retard if you think the alt-right is the same thing as Left-wing nationalism

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>the state of /pol/

fuck off back to faceberg brainlet boomer it’s not 2009 anymore Yea Forums is not a leftist board it’s a two thirds centrist and one third right wing board

It's not great at all its trash, nothing static. Just one fad culture getting traded out for another.

this
it’s full of neomarxists and christcucks at the same time and it’s one of the worst places to discuss books on the internet
you’re better of discussing PS4 games on /vr/

I think you just mean the british "right"

America is a country

>Just one fad culture getting traded out for another.
this is mostly due to consumerism and capitalism

>morrissey is left-wing nationalism
LMAO what in the holy gay jesus fuck are you saying
yea prolly true

Explain how he's Alt-right them

then*

I think I can sympathize with Moz here. I'm left wing on everything but immigration which I think should be strictly merit based and controlled to protect the interests of the native workforce. Otherwise I'm against political speech censorship, pro lgbt, pro weed, pro choice, women's rights, pro gun control, and above all pro social welfare and progressive tax. There's just too many issues with the people living in the country you need to focus on first before fixing the rest of the world in my opinion, and adding a ton more people per year uncontrolled will put a lot of strain on the system except for the 1% class exploiting the cheap labor + idpol distractions from the class divide.

you're just a racist berniebro

left-winger here
was sad when it happened. majority of us were.
stop browsing /r/the_donald bud

just read what he says if anything you have to explain to me how he's not

Not romanticizing immigrants isnt racist

I never even mentioned race besides it being used as a divisive tool by the ruling class. I never even said ban immigration, just let in skilled people regardless of race and have it a lower number to encourage hiring more unemployed/young Americans. Also make college and job training, apprenticeships etc easier for the poor.

M: If you call someone racist in modern Britain you are telling them that you have run out of words. You are shutting the debate down and running off. The word is meaningless now. Everyone ultimately prefers their own race … does this make everyone racist? The people who reduce every conversation down to a matter of race could be said to be the most traditionally ‘racist’ because everything in life is NOT exclusively a question of race, so why make it so? Diversity can’t possibly be a strength if everyone has ideas that will never correspond. If borders are such terrible things then why did they ever exist in the first place? Borders bring order. I can’t see how opposing Halal slaughter makes me racist when I’ve objected to ALL forms of animal slaughter all of my life.

There isn't a single Alt-right person in the world who would say this

>pro lgbt, pro weed, pro choice, women's rights, pro gun control
shit
>before fixing the rest of the world
yea of course we exist in a vacuum

I think we should really restructure high school learning to make it more viable for jobs out the gate, a lot of these office jobs really shouldnt need 4 year degrees.

yea because gays are special unique individuals they will all say the same thing in special unique gay ways and that's why they are gay

Ok homophobe
You're the only one sounding alt-right this entire thread

>Borders bring order
>There isn't a single Alt-right person in the world who would say this
something something wall

he sounds like a retard and the world is full of examples where borders bring anything but order

Yeah high schools don't do enough to teach hard skills for the workforce and there's a lot of bs service jobs that probably shouldn't require a degree.
Politicians should theoretically serve their electorate's interest first and foremost right? Obviously that doesn't happen in practice and the US has created a lot of imperialist messes abroad that should be resolved but this is more ideology.

>"If there was a button here and if you pressed on it, Trump would die dead – would you push it or not?”

>“I would, for the safety of humanity," Morrissey said. "It has nothing to do with my personal
opinion of his face or his family, but in the
interest of humanity I would push.”

>"Whether they criticize him or laugh at him, he does not care, he just wants to see his picture and his name,"

>"The American media have shot themselves in the leg."

>"He grabs after everything like a little child,"

>"He is not a leader. He is a vermin."

The only times borders haven't brought order is because of fascist governments, something Moz is clearly against

Right, I don't really like Mexicans but I can't really complain if they're moving to places like Arizona, California, Texas etc, I just don't know why they're moving to places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, the midwest, like what's the point? Those places are getting worse in general, there's fewer jobs, people are dying, whatever culture is left is dissapearing anyway. Tons of black people moved to those places for factory jobs in the 1960's and many are still there even though the jobs are gone, and I can respect them for that, they helped shape the history and culture of places like Michigan and Wisconsin. If it's true tthat Mexicans are moving to places like that though, I just don't see how it's gonna help those places that are already dying from heroin and don't have any jobs etc.

I live in a place that you would expect to be a white state but is near a big metro area, and it seems like there's so few white people in my city nowadays. It's more of a personal feelings thing but it sucks, There's just something about walking through public and just seeing person after person that could be here illegally or probably doesn't speak English and feeling like you couldn't relate to them at all. There's 0 feeling of culture or solidarity or connection with anyone here, and that's mostly due to the nature of the county and how everyone is focused on their jobs, but the immigration definitely doesn't help. I just don't get it, like this place already sucks, why is everyone coming here jut to not be able to fit in?

Your average 2019 high-schoolers have been raised so poorly by their parents before even middle school that the best education wouldn't cure their insubordination and make them fit for the workplace, they do not come to learn, only because they are forced to, until college which actual fiscal responsibility is taught, make high-school shorter I say, start them working for and paying for their own education, while teaching them to stay out of debt.

Midwest is like 20% Mexican according to insurance comonies.

Happened in like 10 years and that’s peobavly underestimating. They reproduce like rabbits. Fucking infuriating the government allowed this and probably encouraged it.

>The only times borders haven't brought order is because of fascist governments
please take his cock out of your mouth, for your sake user

>claims irish ethnicity
>supports brexit which will most likely create a hard border between the two irelands
>peace treaty is immedeatly jeopardized putting lives at risk
beyond retardation

>homophobe
i'm not afraid of homosexuals but i think they don't understand a particular aspect of life.
moz is no exception just because i like some of his songs.
still, your argument is fucking dogshit and my point stands.
>this is more ideology
ok so translation is fuck everyone else im gonna care about "my people" what makes you different from the fascists?
i mean you think they actually give a shit about "race" in some deeper sense? oppression has no eyes.

>"claims" Irish ethnicity
He's Irish, that's that.

As if lives aren't already at risk constantly from terrorism, Ireland and England have always been opposing nations and have hated each other, peace treaties do nothing to protect a nation when it really comes down to it.

Sam: Are you a Brexiteer?

M:
I didn’t vote in the referendum although I can see how there is absolutely nothing attractive about the EU. My view has always been that the result of the referendum must be carried through. If the vote had been remain there would be absolutely no question that we would remain. In the interest of true democracy, you cannot argue against the wish of the people. Without the people, nobody in high office gets paid.

What point? All you've done is focus on him being gay and how that apparently clouds his judgement, also he isn't even gay nor any sort of sexuality, that time has came and went for him and he's now just living.

Actually argue this point instead of dodging it retard, or have you run out of words?

>peace treaties do nothing to protect a nation when it really comes down to it
all evidence to the contrary in this case, which is far from unique

>there is absolutely nothing attractive about the EU
it's interesting how the people who profited the most from a common market develop sudden and selective amnesia. but it's entirely predictable that a richfag like morrisey adopts a 'fuck you i've got mine' attitude.

Ell how can one lad be so damn based

I guess I'll just move to another fucking country that actually feels like it has a culture and history and where people feel connected by that. Sometimes I feel like I "should" have grown up in a state like WI, MI, OH, PA, NC, etc like I would have fit in and stuff, but I guess what little community those states had to offer are fractured now, but immigration is only one part, the loss of manufacturing jobs is the main thing.

I fucking hate this country in 2019 and it's only gonna get worse, jobs are shit, no one is friends with one another anymore, we're losing and semblance of culture or identity or community, I just wanna fucking flee to Ireland or New Zealand or Canada or fucking England and live in a small town where I feel like I fucking belong based only on me being descended from England 400 fucking years ago even though it doesn't currently feel like that for me one bit. I know those countries are becoming trash too but I don't even care, it can't be any worse than in America.

America certainly is shit, all sides of the political spectrum can agree with that

This country is honestly fucking beatiful from a nature standpoint too. Sad it has to be this way

>all evidence
Provide evidence

>the people who profited the most from a common market
And somehow you forget the entirety of the 80s economy in England, who has the amnesia here? Morrissey is by no means rich, his friends and family were middle class and absolutely living paycheck to paycheck and nothing's really changed for him.
I can think of no artist as popular as him who's as middle class and would benefit least from Brexit, he doesn't even live in the country anymore

he's gay don't be stupid.
what point am i arguing?
let me translate that for your broken brain, he's saying minorities are just bitching and crying over nothing, which is what the alt-right / right is saying. there is no nuance only code. if you read it as anything else your brain is as fucked as moz.

For having over 327.2 million different people of all races, political views, and wealth, America is doing a lot better than it could be
By no means perfect, but collectively it's the most diverse and accepting country in the world

>I don't want to argue your point because I believe I'm right, so there is no point and I'll dumb what is said down to the most basic elements, making it look like I'm right
Sounds like something the Alt-right would do

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i intepreted it for you fuckface.
you're the one who can't answer anything without posting some interview quote like a illterate fucking retard cunt.
>Sounds like something the Alt-right would do
ahahhahahahahah why are you pretending you're not an alt-right gayboy like moz

Why are there so many racists on Yea Forums?

>Provide evidence
good friday agreement. google it.

>And somehow you forget the entirety of the 80s economy in England
i have not but claiming the collapse of british manufacturing is the fault of the common market and not the lack of british competitiveness is disingenuous at best.

>Morrissey is by no means rich
net worth is 50 million dollarydoos according to the interwebs. that qualifies as rich anywhere.
>nothing's really changed for him.
right...
>I can think of no artist as popular as him who's as middle class and would benefit least from Brexit, he doesn't even live in the country anymore
this phrase is the perfect encapsulation of your delusion. he's not middle class, he stands to lose almpst nothing from brexit, and living outside of the country make his opinions on the subject even more pathetic.

we get it, you're a morrisey fan. that doesn't mean you have to stoop to the 9th circle of retardation to "defend" your "idol". learn to live with the fact that a lot of artists people enjoy say and do some pretty indefensible shit.

Listen to Wagner.

but morrissey is left leaning?

yeah wtf is with him. he got famous not cos of the music. i suppose it's an 80s bob geldof kinda thing.

>learn to live with the fact that a lot of artists people enjoy say and do some pretty indefensible shit
Clearly you can't do this if you've been arguing for this long about something that is plainly clear to all but the most stubborn of people, you substitute racist for retard and act as if all is known to you,
Also the good friday agreement is one of the biggest reasons why Brexit is being discussed, at least give a better example.

ran out of arguments have we?

>the good friday agreement is one of the biggest reasons why Brexit is being discussed
it is. a peace agreement, you know, one of those things you said that don't work? something your idol in his arrogance and callousness never though to consider when talking about borders in his illiterate retardese. but hey, if it means less foreigners in a country he doesn't live in anymore, who cares if a few of his countrymen die.

>hey guy its me morsy I just want to say IM GONA FUCKING COOM SO HARD AHHAHAHHGKGJGJGJGJGJGGJ

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Because you are a hack and your lyrics suck

I like you, Moz.

During his younger days yeah but ultra recently he had shown far-right support which of course makes the fragile Yea Forumstant soi skins cracks

ah a nigger retard, I see it now

m8, you have got to be the most retarded being on planet, no argument and just spouts ad-hom all day. The entire alt-right is more of a genius than you are since they've been winning elections all around the world at this point.

>a peace agreement, you know, one of those things you said that don't work
And it fucking doesn't you humongous retard, if it does there will be no Brexit to speak of. The fact that immigration has been flowing non-stop still after such """"""peace"""""" agreement shows how godawful it was.