Hi, i want to learn synths and music production

This will never change if people keep treating it like that and telling others to stay away from it (making it a dead forum where nobody wants to visit except those looking for feedback).

i'm considering making one if a have time,
there's no introduction in the op, no ressources, no help for beginners, just
>muh post your crap and some rando will tell you what they think.
noice.
the OP is a lazy fuck

> i want to learn synths and music production
Two completely different things. There's overlap, but one is performance, the other is engineering.

If you want to learn synths, learn keyboards first. Yes, piano lessons.
If you want to produce, go to school for it, or get a job sweeping floors in a studio, and ask for tips during downtime.

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>but one is performance, the other is engineering.
no it's not retard, unless you use synth presets like a noob.

Just get some entry level equipment or programs and figure it out for yourself. microkorg or microkorg XL for robust analogue and digital synthesis and Roland MC series for digital sequencing or just get whatever version of fruity loops and a USB micro controller for a keyboard.

Yeah, the current one is kinda shit, but having two at the same time is pointless and will split the already small number of active users, killing both.
Just wait until this one dies and make a better one.

-first you need a sequencer, i personally use Cubase, but you can get free ones like Studio one, or just pirate them.
avoid Fruity loops as it will make you lazy, get a proper sequencer.

next you need Vsts, don't get too much, you'll will be overwhelmed, i'd recommend the FabFilter suite, you'll find everything you need.
also use the DAW built in Vsts, learn what each plugin does, and their ideal position in a Chain.

considering synthesis, you should start by experimenting with Serum, it's a good all in one solution with lots of possibilities, you should also learn about the basics of each synthesis technique (FM, Sub, Add...)

By any means don't do what this retard tells you, don't buy ANY equipment to begin with, just use your computer and learn from here, you first investment if you want to buy something is
-A good sound card (i have a FA-101 by Edirol)
-Decent monitoring speakers (i have 2 KRK RP6)

if you have a specific genre in mind, listen to similar artists and see how they build their songs, try to breakdown each tracks into -intro - chorus - verses... and try the same architectures for your songs.

that's what comes in mind for the moment, ask questions i'll try to answer.

Is learning Pure Data a good way to grasp sound design?

that's going a bit too deep in my opinion.
just use synths.
you can go for Max/msp if you really feel like doing this sort of stuff.

As a beginner, definitely not. It's way too involved and complicated to jump into with no prior knowledge.

As someone who's already good with normal sound design (with synths, effects, samplers, etc) sure.

I recommend pirating Max though. It's basically the same, only more supported (and has a big active community) and integrated with Ableton Live.

do you use Max?

Yes, but I'm not an expert or anything.
I just use it to add the features I want to Ableton.
I find it very useful in that regard and is pretty much the natural progression after regular sound design in Ableton.

i never went that far, i've played around a bit with max/msp but nothing came out of it, but i'm considering using Reaktor 6 a bit more.
i mostly stick to regular synths like Serum.

This, not necessarily the microkorg but hardware gives you important limitations and more hands-on fun. Don't end like the guys on /prod/ with ten VSTs for each effect and numerous virutal synths they can only get toy keyboard sounds out of.

>grab equipment before even getting a proper sound card.
enjoy your latency retard.

Tbh I only use it for things that I really want but can't get with normal plugins or techniques.
As I need something, I think of how it would work then research how to implement it.
I'm not really into playing around with Max and experimenting with its DSP, as I'm not really competent enough for that yet and I don't have much use for it.
If you don't have a specific need for it, then I don't recommend investing the time/effort (unless it's for fun I guess) because you can basically get the same results with normal plugins (more often than not with better quality).
Reaktor is good too. I've only played around with it for an hour or so, but from what I see it's still very powerful without being as involved.

>i mostly stick to regular synths like Serum.
Same.
If I can get results faster with regular software there's really no need to fuck around with making my own stuff in Max, but I tend to have a more practical approach.
A lot of people do it just for the fun of it, so the end result isn't as important.

>Don't end like the guys on /prod/ with ten VSTs for each effect and numerous virutal synths they can only get toy keyboard sounds out of.
>ends up like the guys on /synth/ with ten synthesizers for each synthesis type and numerous Eurorack modules they can only get toy keyboard sounds out of.

Today the way information works changed. Back in the day you had trouble gaining any information, because there weren't many sources. This meant that you didn't have much to chose from, so choosing was easier. Now there is a massive, massive amount of information on any topic available. The issue now is not finding info, it's choosing, it's not getting overwhelmed and following one direction when you have 20 possible ones at any step. Filtering shit info. It's a new type of problem we as a species aren't used to

way less competition back in the days as well.
now the market is saturated.

This. I'd rather live in old times where you'd work hard to find the information, but that information was almost always spot on, whereas today you have 99% of bullshit and fragmented information.

>organized way
Go from left to right when you twiddle the knobs trying to figure out what they do.

this lmao

not OP, but I made several attempts to ask about beginner production tips on /prod/ and in the few cases I even got an answer they weren't even that useful. it feels like people mostly just go there to post their own music and ask for feedback (and barely getting any constructive feedback) I can't see how anybody could benefit from going there, it feels like just another procrastination tool to distract you from actually making music

It always depends on who's there at a given time.
Some times you have helpful posters and some times only those looking for feedback are there.
It used to be a lot better before it basically died in the summer of 2018, but it's been slowly improving.
Now that summer is ending you'll see an increase in helpful posts as it usually happens.

God, you are so fucking depressed. Also many early aphex twin works and unreleased is absolute shit
If someone wants to fucking study electronic music, or more specifically electronic synthesis (digital and/or analogue) he can give all his soul and body to do so and become great!

Cringing at the synth fedora in this thread who thinks it's only possible to start producing sounds with a well expensive pc and his pet programs.

>don't buy ANY equipment to begin with!
>Just buy expensive monitoring equipment, so you can hear all your amateur keyboard plonking in Aiych Dee!

Within this logic probably you make sounds with a basilar vco vcf vca lol

If you want to learn how to compose music using synthesizers do some research and read books about it, make practice, and consider studying in a proper school

>you can only be decent if you study at proper school

For normal human beings often

i didn't say expensive, and yeah retard it should be your first investment with a soundcard.

I just wrote a 2k+ words 7-part guide that goes over everything you need to know to start making music.
I'll post it on /prod/ () if you ask your question there.

what do you guys think of vcv rack?
im gusically retarded but i use it to make headache inducing noises that sometimes sound nice

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No. Zoomers want instant gratification. Thats why good music is becoming rarer and rarer going forward.
Nobody is going to practice their craft anymore because its takes too much effort. Rather be on the internet & watching netfliks

It's better than creating the same non-music on 10k in hardware

Any brainlet can learn serum from a 30 min youtube tutorial so start with that

Here:

Are pocket operators any good?

as much as this is good noob advice, some of your pointers are total BS

Never used them but from what I see they look fun to use but not really something you'd buy for production.

Like what?

I was thinking of it more as a first hardware synth.

Never buy teenage engineering

Why not?

Useless hipster toys. For the prices they sell their crap for, you could get an actual synth.

>Within this logic probably you make sounds with a basilar vco vcf vca lol
No, actually I infer mental models of the synthesizer, learn what I need to read more about, develop hooks for the new knowledge as I'm reading it, and then I use the new mental model to contrive new ideas.
You idiot poser fuck.