What does Yea Forums think of adam neely?

Good videos, shit music, proving again that theory can be a crutch for people with no artistic soul

I like Adam’s theory videos but not his band or compositions. He looked way better when he was poor and shaved his head. I don’t like his haircut now.

His review of whilplash was straight up cringe.

I work in medical science but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy a drama like House M.D because I have a degree in a related field.

I bet he has a hard time getting pussy.

You’re an idiot. The point was exactly to provide a musicians perspective on it, which people had been asking for. If you were to provide a med sci perspective on house you would be getting into something analogous

It failed to provide a musicians perspective.

Adam is a good musician and an interesting educator, some of his videos helped me get going with improvisation when I was younger.

His music, from what I've heard is pretty unlistenable music college shit but hey, when I was at Uni plenty of people seemed to enjoy making such music so eh, each to their own.

People ripping on him for too much theory is a litle ignorant but I know where they're coming from but on the whole learning theory will not make you into a robot, it's generally a good thing to learn.

He knows a lot about music theory and makes informative, entertaining and well produced videos on the subject.

You sir are and idiot.

They figure it out themselves. Jimi Hendrix did know music theory, but not through studying it, he did it by playing the guitar with passion and intuition and figuring out what notes sound good together and what doesn't.

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I like his music theory videos, but he seems like the type of person to make technical funk/jazz music in weird time signatures. Not my type.

This, he is one of the few youtubers with some actual knowledge, unlike some hacks that used to post on this board.

He does have some weird jazz stuff with odd time signatures that is mixed with electronics, but he has a band called Aberdeen that does a jazz-rock big band type thing that isn't bad. BKNY is the only song that I remember genuinely liking though

>They figure it out themselves
This. But this is ultimately what music theory is; just describing music. Good music analysis doesn't just define the sound, it also explains it; it tells you what's happening but also why and how. The thing is you can learn a lot of this stuff intuitively.

tool

>if you want to be a songwriter dont go to music school just come up with novel ways of plagiarizing other popular artists.
but that is what music school does, on top of plagiarizing classic artists.

i think he knows alot and he is a good Teacher. i kind of agree on whiplash thing one of you weterynarz takiego about. Art is about drama not about reality, but i get that watching your owe sceen distorted sobie much must be iritate informacje.

this board is a fucking joke

Post your 3x3 then faggot.

its filled with hardcore music fans who are too lazy to try and understand music beyond taste making, and then get bitter and resentful that there are other music fans out their who are actually willing to put effort in understanding the mechanics of how music is made and understood.

Those are the same people who won’t listen to stuff, because they think it might ruin their taste. Which in turn can only come from not actually understanding why they like what they like to begin with

he makes stuff like harmonic analysis fun and accessible for the kids. i think he's good overall

Low IQ detected. Go listen to some dubstep

A million times better than these söycuck metal shredders playing shitty metallica riffs and dressing like retards

Brian Wilson knew tons of theory. When the wrecking crew showed up to do Pet Sounds he had sheet music written up for them.

Neely is the epitome of basedcuck

So what exactly isbthe berkely funk? A rut you get stuck in while in music school or a genre like yacht rock describing bland music?

This is berkeley funk
4:03
m.youtube.com/watch?v=dtuu2WGY3ng

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>owe sceen distorted sobie much must be iritate informacje
what did he mean by this

No it isn’t. Man she did not digest funk well

>the video where a yamaha cp is passes off as a synthesizer
>that video with andrew 'most bland and boring music possible' huang and his wall of modular
>the fact that adam neely owns a korg minilogue aka reddit the synthesizer
I hate these people

To be fair the CP is adventurous as shit for her, the action’s not exactly a Bösendorfer lol

Digest is right

>a least a little bit of basic knowledge of theory?
"a little bit of basic knowledge of theory" is the ideal. You understand the basics and stop there.

Music nerds are always like this. It's the consequence of having 0 cultural input in general, you just stay at the margins complaining.

seething

Still kinda regret buying a minilogue. Just heard so many good things about it but it just kinda sounds a bit shit. I got mine very cheap used so I'm not that disappointed but I think I should've just waited and saved up some more. Though I do like that menu diving is almost not present on it. Very good for a beginner to learn synthesis basics. Still waiting for a good clone of a vintage string machine. The Waldorf Streichfett and Stvc aren't the greatest

What about behringer's vocoder?
youtube.com/watch?v=z1RkSTiQv7U

Not a synth but I regret getting akai mpk249. Keys are so shit. If you were counting on actually playing, get something better

Every. Single. Time.

Being a properly trained musician is only good in theory. We get the idea, you learn the mechanics of music and you learn how to play an instrument well, and then you can navigate through all genres and sounds with ease and find something that works for you. But in practice, it seems that once you spend too much time training your ear, your sensibilities, your improvisation skill in so on in one single direction it becomes impossible to unplug later.

She'd have better results if she just played from instinctive recognition of patterns, but you can tell that is just no longer there. It's like the wrong area of the brain is used when she's processing and making music, like when there's muscle imbalance and one muscle dominates a whole movement and the other muscles stay weak and inactive. Also she's asian which is particularly gross.

You know Stereolab use a Minilogue in their live setup, right? It's a decent synth when paired with the right pedal, such as pic related

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that actually sounds fine as far as the playing goes, the sound patch is basic but whatever. Not sure what you proving here, anyone screwing around with funk stylings on their own on some tiny keyboard is going to sound something like that.

I certainly like that it's not digital. I dunno I would prefer something built just as a string synth. Not really all too interested in a vocoder. And I think I'm over video demos and reviews. I'd rather search for a music store or order it from a website with a free return policy than trusting the judgement of some other guy who may or may not be a shill. Kind of a shame that the synth market is still pretty limited in terms of what they'll remake. I'd like to see an improved Arp omni 2 or quadra. Or maybe some vintage soviet and italian stuff. You know, something other than a new moog or the 808th 808 remake

I think he started out with very interesting, technical content (namely the Bass Lessons), and now I think his philosophical content is interesting but his more technical stuff seems to linger on for too long. It might be just me, though.

I still just didn't particularly liked it. Hard to describe but it just wasn't cutting it. I'm sure you can make good sounds with it or improve the sound with pedals. And I'd still somewhat recommended the synth if the person in question can get a chance to get their hands on it and then buy it cheap used

You're an actual mental retard or you haven't heard a single funk song in your entire life
Find one funk song where there's static 8 note triplets and zero syncopation

No, the groove is the single most important aspect of funk. She isn’t feeling anything like that at all, and it isn’t in the music either. The only thing she has caught is the wah-sound and that the notes are often not legato. It’s just a meandering stream of 16th notes with no motion of intention behind any particular one.

Even on something so simple, you should be able to make people want to move, but she can’t even make herself want to move.

>Find one funk song where there's static 8 note triplets and zero syncopation
I can't, because I don't even know what those are. You think I wasted my life going to music school or something?

Eh, I think it's a bit about received knowledge. For what it is worth, Miles Davis went to Juilliard. I think that in a sense when you're dealing with something like this, you need to talk to people who are in the "known". Her video on Flamenco is a lot better, because she deliberately set out to not only try and dissect the genre according to what most standard musicology will tell you (the harmony cliches, for one), but also to understand how a performer who has played Flamenco his whole life thinks about that music.

The matters of aesthetic sense, however, that's on something else entirely. I worship Sibelius and I know people who can't stand him; on the flipside, I often find Wagner overbloated and I've met too many people who adore him. The choices we make are so intensely personal on what we think "sounds good" that everyone's gonna have different views. For instance, I think that in her funk video, the tone's all wrong. But it's her aesthetic choice; I haven't got control over it.

>Find one funk song where there's static 8 note triplets
that isn't static triplets. If you are talking about the underlying triplet pulse that is actually a good way to make a fundamental groove out of what you are playing. If anything there is to critique is not enough dotted rhythms against that pulse, but thats my preference.
>zero syncopation
you don't know what you are talking about

It’s just a meandering stream of 16th notes with no motion of intention behind any particular one.
it isn't just a stream of 16th notes either, just even listen to the left hand for half a second, christ

maybe this is why you get so upset by this stuff, you don't actually understand what you are hearing.

Listen to 4:26-4:33 coping faglet

listen to the whole thing, retard, just because she gets regular in the 16th triplets for a few bars doesn't erase the rest of whats going on. listen to just the first few seconds when she starts. Literally everything you a demanding is present there in parts throughout the whole thing.

>it meets the requirements in a couple of spots

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It's an interpretation, the rest of her stuff all has that general sound going on. I don't like it either.

yes even in this 30 clip of fucking around on a keyboard managed to meet your demands. Cope harder, or maybe take some music lessons before you sperg out over youtube videos.

Why don't people like Sibelius?

I think he's shilling his youtube channel on 4channel.

No, it’s not a no return thing. It’s an “I’m stiff as fuck, and this was always the only way I was able to get a grip on it“. It’s what happens when a non-genius gets stuck in their head. It’s a combination of being unexpressive and insecure, and just not being in touch with that creative energy. Then you start to use it as a crutch instead. Instead of hearing something you want to manifest, you go “well maybe 5:3 with a tenor flute emphasizing the 5th partial of the overtone series of the bass drum would be cool”... That’s one side of it at least. There is also something genuinely enjoyable that is most easily unlocked for appreciation if you have musical ability... But just cause you have that doesn’t mean you have to express it in your own music, as some people tend to think

Personal taste. I can't say why certain people I know don't like Sibelius, because I'm not them. I can say why I like Sibelius, but that'll be just me.

She literally seems to stop the piece as the depression becomes too crushing.

I’m not saying there’s no syncopation, but everything is pouring out utterly purposelessly. And she isn’t feeling it either, so case closed.

he cute but talentless

>music youve heard sounds

aka works incorporating theory. time signatures are theory, keys are theory, scales are theory, intervals are theory, the way the instrument is tuned is theory.

>claims to know music theory
>implies jazz harmony has something to do with avant garde music
i know a lot of faggots like him irl, usually bisexual sjw faggots

youtu.be/COo0uVv9YfU?t=700

oof

You learn music theory but don't become a "music theorists" or a "educated musician"
Once you have to something to show you stop making the best version of a song you can (regardless if the end result is a 1 chord song or a complex song) and you start making songs/compositions to show off how much of an "educated" musician you are.
Basically you should use music theory to decipher the idea in your head more efficiently instead letting trends in music theory write your song.

Love it when they use these odd time signatures and you just see the pain in everyone's eyes. They know it sounds like crap but they have to act like they 'get it'. Neely looks so stiff here.

desu sometimes his music feels empty because of the OVER exposure of theory.

His videos are alright, but he lacks any creativity.

Who cares if Neely knows a shitload about theory, does he know how to play guitar like this?

youtu.be/G3LvhdFEOqs?t=137

I rest my case.

It is unhealthy for you to judge others so harshly

>does not understand the concept of playing three notes together for one beat
>does not understand that you can accentuate the off-beat
>is smug
what a great quality to have

This is the most psued opinion ever

It's white folk funk by music college kids. Give me Sly Stone any day of the week.

What's a good synth? I'm disappointed about what people have said about it since I heard it can do microtonal tunings, but I'd like a comparable alternative that actually sounds good.

Her big mistake was trying to improvise without any drums. The drums in funk give you a framework to syncopate off of. It’s hard to lock into a good groove without any drums playing. It’s like “improvising” r&b music without drums. Her being a classical musician, where drums are minimal, helps shine some light on why she made this misstep.

souless
I watched her video on flamenco and some retard was explaining it like it's the most complex math problem when it's literally the most from the heart music there is.
In the end her finished music sounded nothing like flamenco

leave it up to music theory students to remove the fun from music

daily reminder there is literally zero (0) downside to learning music theory

>daily reminder there is literally zero (0) downside to learning music theory
There isn't but you have to already have significant experience with writing music first and know when to completely disregard it.

I'm no authority on synths by any means. A lot of people seem to enjoy it and I appreciate that most of the functions had a knob or lever associated with it. I'd say listen to some demos, music made with it and try to find an actual music store to test it out. These things are pretty subjective and I'll go back and try to like the thing again. Let my experience by no means influence your decision.

Honestly she seems a little slow.

Composition isn't the only aspect of music where theory is useful.

This is exactly my though. People who know a lot of theory never seem to understand what is good about odd time signatures, people who make that kind of music don't even know notes.

Tbf flamenco guitar is pretty complex but they obsessed over the theory of the rhythm instead of just listening to a few recordings to get a feel for it

>Composition isn't the only aspect of music where theory is useful.
This is correct, but my point is that music is something that is done by intuition more than math, the mathematics of it are an implicit part of the process.

yeah what they know is like a made up language and flamenco is something very natural
same with odd time signatures, they think it's a cool, trendy thing and they like it because their teachers went to the Balkans for a weekend and not because they feel the music

Me neither. Testing it out in person is your best bet... But be aware that you might not be attuned to the sound of the instrument in 5 minutes... It can take days.

Korg always had slightly a korgy sound, but I kinda liked it. So if that's what it is still like, then you have to like that sound and want that coloration to be there.

I see, I don't mind Korg stuff, but I really do have to try it and a bunch of other analog/digital synths, though personally the kind I want to try are types that can record/load samples, then I could run any sound I want through it, whether pure tones or field recordings.

There is nothing to disregard, cause there's not really anything to follow.

The main purpose of it is to get you thinking about music in more detail, and about possibility.

Some people get too excited with possibility, and venture into areas that are too foreign for most people, who will call it overly technical masturbation. But it isn't something you do by accident or unintentionally. There's no danger involved. It's not like you become a street whore sucking dick for 11 against 7 polyrhythms

More or less, It's just knowledge.

I do think this thread is dangerously maligning theory because a bunch of autistic brats went to music college and produce music that sounds like wet farts, when all of the best classical compositions are entirely the products of theory, but it's largely because those people have a vision of their work instead of copy-pasting techniques from genres that don't sound aesthetically-pleasing together.

Whoa pentatonics with some modal legate runs

At least she has the balls to TRY something and do it publically. Meanwhile you're still trying to figure out how to mic your 500 watt solid state line 6 amp and shitposting here

>he can't play it

How many records has he sold?

You're right. But I understand what he's playing. Now it would just be a matter of working up to it with a metronome. You'd probably be stuck looking up tabs on UG lol

Based.

>Now it would just be a matter of working up to it with a metronome.
>trying to play like Randy Rhoads.
You know how many guitarists have fucked this up, right?

It's not a matter of just "playing the notes." There's more to it.

Not many I'd wager, but he plays a lot of gigs.

Literally every single flamenco musician knows those basic rhythmic patterns and how to develop and combine them, just because it's not quite as formalized as western art music it doesn't mean there's not quite a lot of deliberation in executing the style.

New York really fucks with people.
'gigs' lol get the fuck out

>You'd probably be stuck looking up tabs on UG lol
This is all I do. What is the next step? I'm unironically a musical retard.

>Berkeley funk
>Berkeley
It's Berklee, and it really is soulless music. I was so disappointed in Nahre's "Synthesizers as digested by a Classical Musician" video. She's kinda cute though.

youtu.be/ggPooXtzUD0

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hey at it least it sounds melodic and not some mindless technical robot music theory.

Rick Beato wants to fuck her so hard. Top comment every time.

I can’t blame him

god I thought I was the only one who thought so. you just know he feeds off the small attention she gives him.

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Smoothbrained comment.

They even manage to pull the soul out of blacks. What voodoo do they practice at that hellhole?

bet

Transcribe

Except I never said learning music theory is bad, I just stated that some artists didn't have to learn it to become legendary icons.

What, you mean figure out by ear and write it down?

>They even manage to pull the soul out of blacks.
It's truly amazing.

>playing by ear

stop it adam

Just give me the secret sauce so I can actually get some enjoyment out of this wood.

Quick question, do you know how to use this?

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What is that?

>how to use
I can figure out the letters of the notes. The bottom one of the top group is E, and the top one of the bottom group is D.

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Ok I got it wrong, the top one of the bottom group is A.

It's easy user. EGBDF / FACE and GBDFA/ACEG with the middle being B C and D. It's probably the easiest thing to learn.

no worries, just look far a sheet like this on google and use it as a reference until you get used to it.

But how does this help me figure out how to make music?

>But how does this help me figure out how to make music?
in that case look up some article on music keys and diatonic chords within each key.
then read up on how each degree functions
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_(music)

from there you should be able to start writing a song.

It helps transcribe your song onto paper.

maybe just look for a sampler that has a filter and find a way to trigger it with a midi keyboard? That might be too simplistic depending on what you want to do, but it could work. There are some affordable synths like the minilogue that have audio in ports that allow you to run sounds into them and affect them with various parameters as well.

Me again. The you could write it down, you could memorize it, but det vastly most important thing is figuring it out by ear, be mindful of which chords you find, which intervals are in the melody, which scale the melody is from, how it is structured etc. Writing it down forces or at least encourages that. It can be pretty hard at the start, so don’t get hung up on how much music you get through. Focus on the quality of your effort.

This guy is the worst one of the YouTube music clique. The absolute state of gearfags.
youtube.com/watch?v=WkjSIUUvCRU

compare that to this
youtu.be/OhQ-P6GNqZA

>OP-1 producers make this shit

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youtube.com/watch?v=wVi1xWqfUlo

You're just mad you can't understand Andrew Huang's genius.

>maybe just look for a sampler that has a filter and find a way to trigger it with a midi keyboard?
Yeah I was just thinking of doing it with a keyboard controller desu.

>There are some affordable synths like the minilogue that have audio in ports that allow you to run sounds into them and affect them with various parameters as well.
There's also the vocoder synths that are designed pretty much entirely as sampling keyboards.

Though a legit synth is something I would like to try because I'm used to writing key parts on a toy keyboard. then booking studio time for I dunno, 5 bucks to record them on piano for an hour.

Yeah, this is legit funk. White folk funk is such a fucking insult.

It's true.

>i-it's not a toy, it's a very powerful tool!

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>paying that much money for what is essentially an expensive Casio keyboard.

At least he scored some pussy with his modular bleeps. Rick Beato is still trying.

>buying modular gear to play pop music.
laughingstockhausen.jpg

What could be cooler than a mad scientist of pop?

Someone who uses 1/10 of that energy into experimental music.

I still haven't watched this video. I can't believe how much this youtube clique sticks together for money reasons. Nahre Sol must have swallowed her pride for this next level meme.

youtube.com/watch?v=K7G8y7a6H74
You find better stuff on /prod/ lmao

The funny thing is that the good timbres you can get out of modular are bread and butter sounds that have been established since the 70s

Entry level Berklee shit. The most basic of basic bitches. Doesn't touch Schenker. Does videos on retarded dumbfuck shit like 432 Hz tuning. Not a good place to learn actual theory.

True.

Utter fucking retard. You don't even know enough to know what you don't know. Everything he played in that video can be described with music theory - that's all theory is - it's description, not prescription. None of you fucking retards understand that

Ben Levin ruins everything.
youtube.com/watch?v=95l75pvNkmw

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Of the all the music eceleb videos I've seen, this one takes the crown. Look at movements and ill fitting clothes of this frail jewish boy. Biggest dork under the sun.
youtube.com/watch?v=nGdl6fZlrKg

Would you expect any less from someone that built a channel from being the mod of r/guitars? I like how he mentions kendo lamar burton being a genius at any opportunity.

What are some good places to learn actual theory?

transcribe every beatles song

I've transcribed tons of music already tho

you'll do better if you do the opposite of everything he says

dont know what to say buddy have you tried just plagiarizing and changing a few chords

So theoroids say that theory is descriptive but counterpoint and voice leading theory serve as actual rules to go by when composing...

I've never understood the obsession with physical synths. Unless you're actually tinkering with them, you might as well tinker with software and a midi keyboard.

Theory isn't about composing?

Brainlet

the rules are more like a method to achieve certain melodic contours in your chord changes, and its more related to the western tradition of music. For example if you want to write a Baroque piece, you follow the voice leading rules that were acceptable at the time or else the music begins to stop sounding like Baroque music. In reality you can break those rules and do whatever you think sounds good. Power chord based music like rock is constantly breaking those 'rules' and that is in part why the music sounds the way it does.

Youtube is not really the place, though I enjoy some of 12tone's stuff. You actually have to crack a fucking book because this shit isn't digestible in 20 minute chunks.

Counterpoint:

- JJ Fux - Gradus Ad Parnassus (basic species counterpoint; actually readable as it's a dialogue between master and student; probably start here)

Orchestration:

- Principles of Orchestration - Rimsky Korsakov (romantic era orchestration from an OG primary source; this one is free online)

- Study of Orchestration - Samuel Adler (more modern; more different examples)

Schenkerian analysis:
- Felix Salzer - Structural Hearing (Probably one of the more useful styles of analysis for tonal writing. If you can understand the concepts of structure and prolongation in regards to how your melodies and harmonies interact, it makes writing new ideas a lot easier and faster. Super abstract and scalable. Can apply to 8 bars or an entire work. The caveat here is that this book is dry as fuck and will make you want to kill yourself; if you can understand how to find the ur-line in a melody and ways to extend that, you will write better melodies).

Jazz arranging:
Gary Lindsay - Jazz Arranging Techniques (good place to start for some core jazz harmonic and arranging concepts)

Skip Piston, Kostka-Payne, and most of the other overview shit that's semi-helpful but will give you some bad habits.

Realize that harmony is more a structural construct and that not every chord is as important as the next. Voice leading is important, but that's where counterpoint comes in: it's just 3 to 4 part counterpoint.

I've never heard this schenkerian stuff mentioned anywhere and I'm subscribed to maybe 10 more basedbois like neely, will check out.
Is there more to counterpoint than the 1-5 species?
And is the mark levine jazz theory book good?

transcribe jazz that you like. learn solos and progressions, and learn the scale/chord that a particular note that catches your ear is a part of. experiment with that chord/note/idea in stuff that you write and see where it works and where it doesnt.

jazz theory is like religion in the sense that its a catch phrase with no meaning that is for sale to the naive. As a music teacher myself, I also have to use the carrot of theory to bait my little pyramid scam along to support myself, but niggle me this, why hasn't "theory" bred more books, avenues, discussion? You know like science and medicine? Why are we not getting innovation through teory which opens up more theory? Why is it still just 4/4 music with the 1 and 5 chords. Makes you think... Also unironically buy my book.

>Why are we not getting innovation through teory which opens up more theory?
But we are though

It's hard and abstract as fuck. Modernists fucking hate it because it doesn't handle 12 tone shit well (which is fine if you want to write things people actually want to hear).

You can basically reduce an entire song to I-V-I or expand on that and see the different levels of prolongation. Masters to doctoral level music comp/theory shit, but it's probably the most flexible and USEFUL system for examining tonal music that I've found. Start with understanding the idea of the Ur-line (sometimes jokingly referred to "everything is reduced to hot cross buns").

Unfortunately, most of the Youtubers don't have doctorates. They're mostly BMs (protip: if you have a pulse and show up to class, you can get a degree easily). They're offering entertainment and a surface level knowledge of theory. If you're actually serious about acquiring knowledge, you MUST read.

Set theory and vectors and some of the serialist stuff is all well and good mechanically, but it usually feels more like a mathematical tally as opposed to trying to offer a deconstructive analysis.

Can't speak on the Levine book. Jazz isn't my forte, but the Lindsay was very good for a noob like me who mostly wrote in tertiary harmony. It goes into chord tone substitution, drop voicings, spread voicings, approach chords... the good shit. Also, approach chords can be viewed in a Schenkerian context which is pretty cool.

Might want to stop reading theory for a single genre. Might consider a peer reviewed journal: read.dukeupress.edu/journal-of-music-theory

So what you're saying is the shenker way is just a better tool overall in analysing music?

If you think of music as a building, it allows you to see the support beams holding the structure up from the drywall, from the molding. All of these things are important to the building but they all serve different purposes. Structure vs. Prolongation.

Might wanna just listen to music and stop talking about it as a cope for being unable to make it or so bored with it.

Not trying to understand the world around you shows a lack of curiosity and laughable arrogance that you somehow will stumble into something worthwhile or divine it from the aether with godlike skill. I pity you, user.

duUUUUDE LIKE MODAL TRANSITIONS AND CHROMATICISMS AND LIKE SCALES AND STUFF!!!!! DUDE KEY CHANGES AND ODD TIME SIGNATURES BRO!!!!!! LIKEWEE.... LIKE MICROTONES AND POLYRHYTHTMS BRO LOOK AT THIS BAND!!! YEAH THEY SOUN DLIKE SHIT BUT DUUUUUUDE!!!! DUUUUUUUDE THEY LIKE CHANGE KEEYS AND TIME SIGNATURES BRO.... LIKE ABBCBDHBBCBCC BROO!!!! LOOKK!!!! LOOK AT ALL THESE LETTERS BRO !!!!!!

You music thweory faggots have fuckibg ruined music. you've done to music what chef boyarfuckingdee did to the alphabet. "BROROOOO ABCDEFGABCEDGF" Is changig time signatures really that legendary? Could you possibly amount to fucking half of even Nirvana-tier music with all your TIMBRES AND KEYS AND WHOOAAAAA WHOOAAAA DUUDE METERS AND QUARTER TOONESS WOAOAAAAAH!!!! YOU CUNTS CAN LIKE THE GREASE OFF MY RECTUM YOU FUCKING QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERSSSSSSSS YOU FUCKING FAGGOTTSSSSSSSS

I'm trying to learn drums atm. I don't have a background in music, so my knowledge of theory is fairly weak. I find his videos fairly interesting.

have sex. its not complicated.

>triggered

Pick up some basic piano books. Learning to read treble and bass clef opens up a lot of doors. I also started on drums. If you're looking to write music, you'll probably be using a MIDI controller to input music into a DAW at some point (unless you're playing all live instruments). Being able to play even shit tier level piano will help a lot.

Not really related, but I just launched a missile of semen into your mom's cum vacuum.

Hi Adam!

Huge faggot

Unironically this
A showcase of a theory is fine but it takes a talented musician to integrate it naturally into their music hence why high theory shit is used sparingly since they're too specific
It's why Miles Davis is regarded as a musical genius while Collier is just some pseud who sniffs his own farts and unnaturally integrates high level theory onto his music

Will you fucking retards ever understand that theory is nothing more than labeling what exists? It's literally just giving a name to what's happening; if you play a C chord, you coul just as easily call it a vxbfhuifvuh chord and it wouldn't make a difference, the whole point of theory is just describing relationships between phenomenon by giving them names

I know that
Learning music theory is just learning the names of small things you notice in music
Pseuds like to act like this shit is law and follow it to a tee while talented musicians have a keen musical sense and go by instinct wheter they have knowledge of music theory or not

Fucking yes. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

Collier forces extended harmony where it isn't needed. Some tracks have fuck all for transitions between fairly disparate material in sections. Prime example: youtube.com/watch?v=IlFD298wTOM

His technical skill is okay I guess, but I feel like I'm listening to the funk version of Dream Theater. Lots of notes and technical proficiency, little to say.

It can help when you're stuck or as a jumping off point. Blindly adhering to theoretical constructs over what sounds good does tend to result in shit music though. It's why nobody actually really likes 12 tone shit.

Example: compare god tier Shoenberg to shit tier.

God: youtube.com/watch?v=vqODySSxYpc

Shit: youtube.com/watch?v=bQHR_Z8XVvI

Fuck you I like op 25

Some people like getting pegged too, I guess.

shit band

I've got a friend who plays with Neely sometimes, when he asked him about his youtube shit he basically says that he has figured out the algorithm shit and knows the stuff he puts out is pretty stupid but appeals to the slightly musically inclined who want to armchair enjoy "theory stuff".. I guess thats the audience. Basically has figured out how to just use Youtube as a revenue source along with that whole crew

Not as half bad as Andrew Huang tho he's just so ridiculous.. Neely can actually play decently

Its how you make money as a musician, you get out.

>it's just descriptive bro, it's just naming things bro
yeah then how come music theory people all seem to suck in a very specific, particular way? all their shit sounds music college-y regardless of what genre they go into.

that's what conditioning your sensibilities to something new for hours a day, year after year does. you don't have a mental switch that you can turn from "theory nerd" to "soulful" at any time. soul has to be cultivated, a theory mind has to be cultivated, taste and creativity for specific genres have to be cultivated, etc. and you can't do it all at once.

and just keep in mind that real musicians never learn this stuff beyond the very basics. music theory people always need to bring up classical and jazz musicians because they have "respectability" but no one who is currently doing music people listen to gives a shit about it. you don't want to be a modern jazz or classical musician and play to an audience of other theory nerds in places that would disappear if there wasn't some public money for "culture" keeping it alive. you want to be a musician who invokes real feelings in real people.

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He has a slightly annoying personality and his videos are too long but he's a great bass player.
youtu.be/of_BPHHHY1w

What's the point of composing something impossible to remember at an emotional level?

>performance by the guy who bashes music critics for not being trained in composition
hmmm

12 Tone is super gay

>just read a bunch of centuries-old books bro
kek. stop wasting your lives with this shit.

Music theory is descriptive. That's a fact. Anything beyond that is your own perception and insecurities projected onto buzzwords.

>why? uhhh because! lol
>old bad
>new good

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Imagine I made an image on paint saying "music theory brain" and portraying an ugly, drooling, bearded figure reading 18th century texts while not achieving anything in the industry and feel properly devastated please

>achieving anything in the industry
Truly the pinnacle of all art-making.
>old bad
>new good

I'm genuinely interested how you can think old books can't teach you anything useful. Do you think reading Homer and Shakespeare is pointless as well? Do you not think there are certain things in life that are intrinsic to human nature that we can learn from past times?

>Truly the pinnacle of all art-making.
Oh yes, and add "thinking success and acclaim are not important and chasing acceptance among other academic musician instead" please, that's a #1 theorybrain trait.

No old books can teach you a lot of stuff I'm sure, it's music theory that's worthless and it's particularly funny to see someone wasting their time reading old ass music theory texts.

>muh academia
I wonder why this is always the thing you fall back onto? Nobody mentioned academics and here you are. Nobody gives a shit about that. You do realise there's more to making art than being either a industry drone and being a party of the academic circlejerk? Even Neely and these le music theory boogeymen don't fit into one of the other.

I disagree. I think that if you read older books about music you can learn how to think about music from a different perspective. And those tools aren't obsolete or anything since pretty much almost all top 40s pop music isn't that far away from common practice period style, except maybe having a little more emphasis on timbre. Also counterpoint will never not be awesome, fuck you.

>I wonder why this is always the thing you fall back onto? Nobody mentioned academics and here you are.
haha I can tell you've been through a lot of those. Funny how theory nerds can waste endless amount of times justifying their life choices, that totally doesn't reflect repressed regret and desperation at all.

Isn't there a study that says failed cult predictions always make followers cling harder and harder to the faith because our coping mechanisms can't allow us to accept we've been duped that easily? Read it one day brah.

>And those tools aren't obsolete or anything since pretty much almost all top 40s pop music isn't that far away from common practice period style
Yeah because they saw a 5-minute youtube video that explained that and immediately tried it out on a pirated copy of Ableton, not because they wasted time reading JJ Fux

I've been through them yesterday and you're probably the same faggot I've answered yesterday. Ain't reading the rest of your dreck because I couldn't care less about your insecurities that you project on this shitty board.
also sage

>he took 2 hours to reply to pretend that he's busy with other things
lmao sure thing buddy

embarrassing lad

>he refuses to let it go because he has to preserve his fragile ego
oh no no no

>he's been here obsessively waiting for 2 hours for my replies to his emotionally-charged shitty non-arguments and instantly replies to me
I'm out don't worry just take it easy bro, maybe leave 4channel for a while, for your own health

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>he spent almost 10 minutes searching "laughing face meme" on google to look confident on the internet
ahhahahahahaah oh nooooooo

Adam looks like the victim of a botched circumcision.

What if I just made up my own theory of music?

Then you'd be like some weird outsider man, reinventing the wheel, totally uncool and foolish!

Faggot.

Watch this video of donald fagen describing the process of him writing Steely Dan's 'Peg' with inordinate theoretical detail and tell me "you can't do it all at once"

youtube.com/watch?v=DP_2r9zbaIY

I'm gonna make my own theory.

cute. your ears just aren't developed yet, kiddo

pop songwriters have a real deep knowledge of theory
so do film music writers for that matter

Guaranteed I know more theory than you and I haven't spent a dime buying dusty old tomes lmao

Is he gay

He acts awkward around females. I don't think so.

No, hes a unifom young berklee graduate new york jazz guy

Isn't that the same thing?

>n-no, don't play gigs for money
>you're only a real musician if you drop $3000 for studio time and don't even sell 100 hard copies!

while it may be true that some musicians become famous without knowledge of music theory, those artists probably mimicked and/or were influenced by artists from before them who DID know theory. nothing happens in a vacuum

and if their influencers didn't know theory, some artist down the line of influences did

>implying guitarists need bass clef

re: counterpoint see but voice leading is not prescriptive
at all, you've misunderstood

>Set theory and vectors and some of the serialist stuff is all well and good mechanically, but it usually feels more like a mathematical tally as opposed to trying to offer a deconstructive analysis.

this is why I couldn't read Dmitri Tamyczko's Geometry of Music. It's some masters level shit. Every day for a week on my daily commute I tried to read the chapter on set theory, and without fail, each time I fell asleep

Is Schenkerian analysis less boring?

t. seething brainlet

you can't really perform with a software synth due to the delay, and for regular folks who can't afford fast computers the delay gets too much even for a studio setting.

thanks user, genuinely helpful post.

you're speaking out of your ass or is living in a shithole country where pop musicians are genuinely illiterate.

>theorylets gloss over the Dan
expected

People who say "You don't NEED music theory to write music" might as well be saying "You don't NEED engineering theory to build a house"
Sure, you don't NEED it, but it helps a fucking lot. Music theory is descriptive, not prescriptive.

Thing is, I could pull up 10 clyps from /prod/ and ask you “why is it that people who don’t know music theory all write the same, one chord shit?” and I wouldn’t be wrong. In the same way that you can tell when someone is writing in sterile, theory based way, I can also tell when someone has a motif that they did not know how to develop. 99% of /prod/ is “this is a cool riff but it doesn’t go anywhere.”

This is an embarrassing cope.

Post a fugue that you've written

Imagine being this assblasted about people knowing stuff about your precious little romantic hobby lmao

I would agree with you if Tyler Larson didn't exist

just learn music by ear. you have to do that if you want to learn how to write music. you will come to understand how things relate to each other intuitively in the same way that you intuitively understand the grammar of a language by hearing and reading a lot of it. once you've done this and the sounds have taken root in your brain then learning theory will be significantly easier and will enable you to notice more things about the music you hear, letting you learn more effectively, creating a nice feedback loop. where so many people go wrong is that they go off without having transcribed a single melody in their lives and they say "i'm gonna learn theory. polychords sound like a cool term, i'm gonna write a song with polychords cause it's complex" and it sounds like dog shit because they have no actual reference for what polychords sound like or what emotional effect they can have or any kind of attachment to or fondness for them

He is the absolute worst but I've never seen him involved in any of the core groups videos. He's simply too autistic and unlikeable for that. Complete fucking sperg and fittingly playing a PRS guitar.

it's the difference between learning a word from the dictionary and using it everywhere vs. hearing a word in conversation a bunch and understanding the subtle nuances of its use. with the former you know what it is exactly, but you don't necessarily know how to use it. with the latter you know how to use it but you don't necessarily know what it is. both are important! but it's like 30%/70% importance rather than 50-50, always err on the side of the intuitive

>ctrl+F "lick"
>no matches found
Come on

just invest some time on music theory instead of shtposting here you fatfucks ,simple as that

yeah then how come literate people all seem to suck in a very specific, particular way? all their shit sounds faggy and nerdy regardless of what topic they go into.

Lick ma balls

>he couldn't even think of a smart analogy
Theoryfags in a nutshell. Just zero creativity.

It took me maybe 1 month to get the basics of music theory down. It's not that hard. Now, my lack of talent on instruments limits me, but I can sit down on a DAW and make pretty much anything that sounds decent. It's really not that hard. I'm of average intelligence.

not to defend theoryfags because i thinkt that falling into the trap of "Ooooh here i'll put a I-II-IV chord progression" or whatever just makes your music sound fuckin boring, but there are some great musicians who are definitely theory literate. look at jazz - ornette coleman was definitely literate in theory but he was a part of some beautiful, beautiful music. youtu.be/DNbD1JIH344
i think the issue is that people rely on the theorhetical rules. they get to writing without having an idea or melody in their head that they want to tackle. theory should be use to decipher the ideas you have in your head, y'know? not to compose all of the music itself. that's where your shit starts getting boring, and that's the trap people like Adam Neely fall into. they start writing a song or a piece by finding a chord to start with and working by asking themself what should come next, instead of having an intuition that's being followed or transcribed. anyways hope this makes sense

>theoretical rules
There are none, you faggots still don't get it.
>theory should be used to decipher the ideas
You don't use theory, theory just names what's happening, you faggots still just don't get it. No matter what you are playing, theory has a name for what's happening in the relationships between the sounds; that's all it is

well, people like Adam Neely certainly seem to use theory as a tool to compose the music itself. i'm not really sure what else to tell you, you're kind of saying that it's impossible to use a dictionary to choose the words in a sentence

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No, what you're seeing is by knowing music theory you are more aware of the vast space of possibility for music. Only a small subset of this is deemed tasty by normies. But I am glad some people explore it

OR MAX MSP same shit different ui

based

Except there is a difference between someone who knows basic theory and Adam Neely

NO!!!

pretty sure he stuck his greasy cock in nahre sol

>Post a poo that you've shitten
ftfy, fugues suck

theory is so fundamental to creating good music real musicians have internalized it to the point that they don't bother talking about it. only insecure brainlets deride knowledge of theory

He acts like a little boy around her. No way. I have a feeling that he also dislikes this whole yacht rock tier shit but it pays so much better than being a session dude. Watch the videos concerning weird rhythms. He always taps them out nervously and watches the other person to make sure she's buying the bullshit.

Rick beato, adam neely and ben levin all ran a train on nahre while huang watched and masturbated in the corner

Nahre's face is greasier

Im resurrecting this epic thread xd

I thought so, philistine!

I always thought huang was gay. He looks like a gay city asian.

Not him

He talks super gay too and looks metrosexual

god hes so annoying

Just a reminder that Adam Neely raped an 8 year old boy as part of a sex magic ritual in 2011

Bump

how did the minilogue become plebbit's go-to synth besides faggots refusing to actually learn something and just make "experimental ambient" bullshit instead?

his cadence and tone is a put-off from watching any of his shit along with the extended pauses at the end of a sentence

arguably more autistic to pick up on shit like that but i cant just ignore it

It's a cheap analog poly that steps into the big shoes of the microkorg aka shittiest hipster cocksucker synth ever. Reddit just loves to gobble this trendshit up. Monos are too difficult for them because you can't play quirky little 'jazz chords'. If people actually cared about analog sound, they wouldn't buy the minilogue when there's many virtual analogs around that actually deliver much better sounds. It's metallic and lifeless but I guess it looks cool next to star wars funko pops.

i fucking despise reddit and want it to implode but all of the alternatives are shit too

how is steemit?

Forced at gunpoint to play limp bizkit