What did Lana do to piss off the RYM troons?

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I saw an article on Stephen Malkmus from last year in the New York Times where the comments section was full of people claiming he was a Trumpkin because he's always been so cryptic on politics. He must have been aware of people's perception because he came out as a Tulsi fan this year on twitter, but I'm sure NYT commenters will still twist that into whatever suits them too.

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A bunch of discord trannies are mad at her, so as a way to "punish" lana they're leaving bad reviews everywhere.

>right wing nazis left wing good guys
Why are people with sub-50 IQ allowed to vote?

She hasnt done anything to annoy me personally but the fact that shes a rich kid whose career was purchased by her father makes me hold zero respect

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Leftists truly are children

What a world we live in where groups can just review bomb the other side for not agreeing with them.

Unironically both sides are exactly the same in many ways and you see it so clearly whenever someone criticizes both
Truth is, people hate centrists because they can't just strawman libtard or conservatard talking points to win arguments with them

Lana del Rey this and Lana del Rey that, she just must be proud of you guys talking too much about her in the present moment.

Her album released and she's a pretty popular artist. Just remember back to when lover was released. Now no one gives a fuck about Taylor

You don't even have to disagree with them to get that kind of reaction now. People get mad if you're a celebrity and you're silent on an issue they care about.

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lover was released less than 10 days ago what the fuck are you on about

It's like a 5 year old wrote this

>CAM ON YANK GET GASLIT CUNT
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm no

spot on tbhdesu

yeah and no one gives a fuck anymore.

that's the point

why do people think you can justify anything if you claim the people you do it to belong to an ideology from the 1940s
>uhhh yeah ofc freedom of speech is good... not for conservati- uhhh I mean nazis tho
>yeah we're totally against violence... unless it's done to our political opponents who we attribute a demonised, outdated ideology to

it's like nazis or fascists are some kind of ultimate evil boogeyman you can use to dehumanize anyone

sis nfr was released 2 days ago
give a 5 days and no one is going to be checking for her

>it's real

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so nazis are 'obviously' bad but communists, who killed something like 9 million more people than nazis, are not obviously bad? can somebody explain this logic to me

>shitty strawman comic by a blue checkmark twitter leftist
Into the trash it goes

Shes an intellegent girl after all. You shouldnt musicians as political tools
Well, Kanye used it, you fucking Retard. lmao
Theres nothing wrong with being having moderate morals. Why americans need to be extrem or radical on everything? Have sex.

*use musicians
Also i mean you already have your political opinions through a "X heterosexual male comedian" on "Night shows"

they unironically think mass murder is just fine unless it's raycis

Modernity has robbed us of our sense of purpose, so we try to fill that void (and the void where religion used to be) by LARPing as civil rights heroes and imagining ourselves as fighting for some ultimate platonic good.

>Theres nothing wrong with being having moderate morals.
the internet puts everyone in echo chambers, so people are more radicalised than ever because they see their ideology reinforced every day

They swing between >not real communism and acting like nazis were the only victim of stalinism.

>yeah uhhh class warfare is totally justified, as a form of self defence against the bourgoise
>what do you mean all the bankers were jewish

>If you don't validate these /pol/ larpers as the thing they want to be, then you're literally one of them
pssh, nothin personnel kid

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why can't it just be that her music sucks?

>Ughhh...must I, really?
"Oof! Yikes!" Imagine being that self-important.

it's just one literally who pretentious weeb autist

>be /pol/
>shitpost daily on an open forum about how kikes should be gassed, niggers should be hanged, and leftists should be dropped from helecopters
Oh so you were just pretending to be retarded?

Make music they could compete with IGOR

You didn't answer his question.

RYM: where you can freely promote left wing terrorism and violence without punishment, but if use the wrong pronoun for somebody you get banned

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real communism has never been tried

Are you off your meds?

>This machine kiss fascists

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neither has real capitalism

Commies and capitalists (liberals) have killed way more people than the nazis, including forced starvation and nuclear bombings.

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I know this is bait, but I'll just use this to put out the fact that mass murder is an inherent initial step in Communism. Marx wrote that a supposedly transitory "dictatorship of the proletariat" is needed before the super duper "real communist" utopia can be achieved, and that dictatorship kinda entails lining up innocent people up against the wall and shooting them.
communism is absolutely as bad as national socialism, maybe worse.

this is such a retarded point considering that nazis were planing on wiping out entire races and nationalities and the only reason why they didn't do it is because they got defeated

No one mentioned communism you paranoid fuck.

LMAO is she really that much of a dumb american? the center is to the left of their "democratic" party

>There's a secret class of ruling elite that control the world and oppress the everyman
>What do you mean that some of them are muslim and white, I thought they were all this one specific minority

How can you be a "centrist" when what qualifies as "the center" keeps changing?

Gay marriage, for instance; in the 90s, a leftist fever dream, in the 2000s, a Democrat platform, in the 2010s, something even paleocons tacitly accept. People can hardly even remember a time when it was a partisan issue, even though it's so close within living memory.

Where do you nail down "the center" in that?

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Citation needed
They didn't even want to exterminate the jews ruining Germany by gaming the banking system initially, they wanted to just ship them out of the country but they couldn't.

Muslims and whites own banks? Which bank?

The one rigorous, mandatory tenet of the generally stuctureless/leaderless antifa movement is a shared belief in the merits of anarcho-communism.

Right, left, and centrist are relative terms.
Someone who says they are one or the other is judging by the criteria of whatever place or time they live

That's his point, smoothbrain.

>Implying you need to own a bank to be part of the ruling elite
>What is saudi arabia
>What is the british royal family
>What is every president the US has had for the past century

Leftists can trace a coherent arc to their own history where their values represent "progress". The right, too, can do this to a lesser extent; they can trace a history of what they've lost to progressive encroachment.

Centrists can do no such thing.

I dont know whether or not that's actually even true, but the Angloid libtards basically did the same to the Indians and the Med libtards just fucked the native races to death instead. They pretend to feel bad about doing this now, but it is the basis of their societies and even the loftiest are not planning on reversing this by going back to Europe.

*leftiest
They do think they are lofty tho

europe will not take the goblins back anyway

it's not that you decide you're a centrist and then take a balanced stance on every issue, it's that you think about all these issues on your own and end up not fitting any particular ideology

left right and center are all meaningless terms anyway
neo-liberalism in an actual movement that could be called "centrist" that is coherent, look it up

wrong, neoliberalism is right of center

Of course. """"Europe"""" needs 65 IQ Somalis who they can potty train, not 100 IQ Americans who defiantly shit themselves in public because of their rebellious spirit.

how do you know? this shit is relative and neo-liberalism is basically the status quo in the US, making it the centre

seethe more, mutt. we can overturn immigration laws and change things, you can't undo almost 2 centuries of miscegenation. Also
>americans
>100IQ

nice joke, IQ doesn't measure weight

This. Why do people think that centrism only has to do with the "both sides" bullshit? People who hold more moderate political views generally tend to question/reevaluate their own positions more (compared to radicals). There's nothing wrong with listening to other viewpoints and reconsidering things occasionally instead of blindly clinging to whatever ideology you've chosen.

popsci.com/radical-politics-metacognition/

>almost 2 centuries of miscegenation
Miscegnation was illegal and/or widely condemned until like 50 years ago. Stop getting your political views from memes.

And to be clear, I'm not saying any country in yurp should take Americans as immigrants, and especially not massive numbers of us. The Scandinavian countries are fuckers for turning their backs on white South Africans though, especially since they're engaged in racially suicidal practices with people much more foreign.

tell me about kai#2900

>le horseshoe theory

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>it's that you think about all these issues on your own and end up not fitting any particular ideology

Every dumbfuck "centrist" likes to convince himself he has some unique, quirky position that only he has when the reality is he is right/left leaning like the vast majority of the populace.

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well being slightly left / right leaning is still infinitely better than giving into the retarded extremist groupthink

Which side of the spectrum is hardcore anti-capitalist nationalism based around protectionalism, pacifism and anti-imperialism?

Left

release a mediocre album

Literally the same can be said about repubs calling all liberals communists.
Obama was frequently called a fucking Marxist lmfao

if by commies you mean tankies the libertarian left quadrant and 3/4 of the authoritarian left quadrant should be labeled liberals.

it's not bait, though. communism calls for the abolition of the state. hence the soviet union, the prc, the dprk, cuba, etc. are not communist.

But nationalism is inherently right wing. I don't want no foreigners and refugees in my home run by a government elected by me and my countrymen which is suppost to work in the interests of our nation.

jesus christ you are a fucking genius. do you have any more obvious wisdoms to share with us?

>argument to moderation in 2019
lmao

BASSSSEEEEDDDD LANA. I thought she was a hardcore leftist for some reason.

>dude it's current year
wow
I didn't know
you sure convinced me

YASSSSS

IMAGINE believing extremism is acceptable simply because you're living in a highly divisive political climate. That is a dumbass mindset, user.

seething

I like her new album, but it's the same album she released in 2017, 2015, 2014 and 2012. I don't care about her politics, but she just needs to get some new musical ideas.

Nazbol Gang

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dilate incel

to be fair, being in the centre between the democrats and the replublicans in the USA puts you somewhere on the hard right, what with the democrats being centre right, and the republicans being far-right neo-reactionaries.

imagine thinking that the disastrous policies that got us here in the first place are going to somehow make things better

I hate being called a Nazi or a fascist by people who have no idea what they're talking about. This happens to me more often than it should and I literally consider myself more of a middle of the road, centrist liberal type.

How is that evil "neo-nazis" are more willing to engage in dialogue in order to have their issues heard while also open to coalition building with whoever is willing to listen, while good guy antifa communists prefer to simply attack anyone who is just short of being a frothing at the mouth Red while also actively trying to alienate and group all sorts of differing groups as "nazis"? How do they manage to be more toxic than literal white nationalists?

Wow, you can infer I believe that from my one, sentence long reply to you? You got me, you must be a psychic.

>I literally consider myself more of a middle of the road, centrist
so does everyone
stop incessantly posting and talking about 'the jewish question' and people won't call you a nazi.

this says so much about society

as if the Nazis were the only people ever to have a problem with Jews

because lefties are stupid and obsessed with proving that they're better than other leftists. righties are actually interested in power, so put aside their significant ideological differences and work towards their common short-term goals.

this is why people call you a nazi dude.

please prove empirically that most deaths which have occurred under marxist-leninist governments were intentional, thank you.

you're literally defending centrism which upholds the status quo.

Because most of the people that get accused of being "Nazi's" or "white nationalists" aren't. Far left people use those titles as a method of silencing those who disagree with them. It's ridiculous. They always act very socially conscious, yet they exploit and disrespect people who actually have been harmed by that kind of bigotry by throwing those words around so casually. It's gross, and just wrong.

>please prove to me that most deaths that most deaths that occurred in concentration camps (excluding death camps) were intentional, thank you
this is how stupid this argument sounds, and I wish you wouldn't make it.

I am not an a Nazi or a person with any kind of anti-semetic views. You're the type of idiot who defends extremism by deeming anyone who isn't far left a villan.

why not just call them anti-semetic? Are muslims who hate jews nazis as well?

You can't be neutral on a moving tranny interview.

yeah the el paso shooter was just trying to engage leftists in a battle of ideas.

And radical ideologies don't promote the current "status qou" of chaos and division? Ok.

>whoops our retarded ideology directly caused millions of deaths but it's okay because we didn't mean it

Literally my politics desu

>economically, socially and environmentally exploitative people
>innocent
sounds to me like you need to read marx a bit harder. the working class are the real victims here mate.

somehow i highly doubt the person who made that comic would be too on board with communism. most westerners see communism as repulsive and horrifying; cold war propaganda is still very strong, *especially* in the united states.

he’s most likely a berniebro like most fake “leftists”

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radical ideologies rightly recognize that compromise is a fantasy.

its easy to cite lone wolf attacks like that, antifa are still more actively violent and less willing to engage in dialogue. You have a better chance having a civil discussion with the most overt and prolific neo-nazis than any antifa communist.

i’m assuming you’re talking about the holocaust, yet this conversation is about marxist-leninist governments?

So at what point will radical leftism help us? That has been the most acceptable and popular ideology in media and pop culture for years now, and I don't know about you, but it doesn't look to me like it's done us much good.

you’re just repeating vague criticisms and cliches. do you have anything specific you’d like to discuss?

Sadly based.

>antifa are still more actively violent and less willing to engage in dialogue.
imagine saying this with a straight face after the numerous mass shootings perpetrated by right wingers

inb4 you say that what happened to andy ngo is just as bad as anything right wingers have done in the past few years

>radical leftism
>the most acceptable and popular ideology in media and pop culture

you can't be serious

It is literally true though. Wtf are you are talking about?

most people i’ve spoken to who call communism retarded almost always fail to accurately define communism when i ask them to. you don’t even know your own perceived enemy.

You are arguing in severity instead of the number of incidents in which violence is use instead of dialogue.The far left is far less willing to listen and discuss, than the far right.

>social liberalism
>in any way “radically leftist”
you know nothing

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These right wing shootings started popping up very recently and only after antifa gained prominence. Groups of marginalised beloefs eill be raficalised by violent action. Action causes reaction. Who woulda thunk?

if you honestly believe that corporate media outlets espouse an ideology which seeks to abolish capitalism, you're a moron.

>is a centrist
>new album coming out in 2020 called "White Hot Forever"
Okay now this is epic.

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Does the person who drew this not realize that most people were centrists by the standards of their time in all of those periods too? A moderate American in the 1940s would be ironically called a Nazi today for the views they held.

racism isn’t a mere belief, it’s dehumanization

White nationalism is nothing but whites doing what every other identity group on earth does.
there's nothing toxic about it.

It sounds like your excusing and dismissing horrific crimes because "cause/effect". I agree with you to a certain extent, I think a lot of these mass killings have cultural factors contributing to the "mental breakdown" (or "breaking point", whatever you want to call it) of those insane guys. But I think we should be more careful with how we describe that. It can easily been seen as us attempting to sort of justify those horrendous crimes.

They committed genocide in good faith, that's all that matters at the end of the day.

an ideology doesn't have to contain mass murder as a literal written commandment for it to be an inevitable and required cycle, which is the case with communism

there is no such thing as voluntary communism in any society of significant size, people do not want it
it always has to be centrally enforced on the people in a totalitarian manner and it has to keep imprisoning and killing everyone who is against it or it very quickly collapses

>"if you honestly believe that corporate media outlets espouse an ideology which seeks to abolish capitalism, you're a moron."

I NEVER CLAIMED THAT. Why are you making such ridiculous assumptions?

This is the kind of thing that makes modern leftism seem like a religion.

you're telling us A WAY OF THINKING isn't a belief or a way of thinking, it's some magical malign force that exists outside the mind.

if you can empirically prove HOW racist mindsets manifest in a systemic way, great, show us. but your current stance sounds like magical thinking.

>You are arguing in severity
because it's relevant and important

imagine making the argument that shooting up synagogues and churches and shopping centers is justifiable because some people oppose fascism and may have thrown a milkshake or two.

>I've met people who don't know what communism means, therefore you also don't know what communism means.
so this is the power of leftist dialectics and logic...

>So at what point will radical leftism help us? That has been the most acceptable and popular ideology in media and pop culture for years now

Lana Del Rey is not a "centrist", she's a fucking evangelical nutjob who supports conversion therapy for gays.

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hey sal why don't you debate Destiny on communism (protip you'll be crushed)

>Anything even slightly right of center is evil racist nazi KKK
Reading this kind of shit and knowing this line of reasoning is standard fills me with hopeless rage and makes me want to pick up a rifle and just mow down a bunch of people honestly, those people being either left leaning or ones the left sympathises with. Not even being ironic. This is genuinely how I feel reading the stupid shit you and your ilk write.

>supports conversion therapy for gays
based

I never mentioned anything about economics in that statement. You're not proving anything here.

>t. autism

is she /ourgal/?

are we really in an era where being photographed at a certain place tells us everything about a person's convictions, and eliminates all need for nuance & need to give the person a proper hearing? because that's some creepy McCarthy type shit

>I never mentioned anything about economics in that statement.
gee i wonder why leftists don't like to engage people like you

>communism
>state enforced
you don’t know what communism is

see

Erm, false my guy. I'm actually a centrist liberal like yourself (allegedly), yet no one in my entire life has ever called me a Nazi or a fascist. So what gives? What gave people reason to call you in particular a Nazi?

I agree, epstein was innocent, and /pol/tard nazi's ruined an innocent man's life.

is that you, pim tool? go be bald somewhere else.

I am, I'm comparing your genocide denial by communist countries to genocide denial by Nazis. There's plenty of evidence for the atrocities committed in Cambodia, the USSR, China and others. Your denial is no different.

BRUH, I hope this isn't true. It would be pretty ironic, considering she could easily be accused of being some sort of deviant herself (if you're a big fan of hers, you'd know some of her early songs are pretty questionable).

>because it's relevant and important
It says nothing on the question on who is trying to discuss ideas more often than not. Antifa try and violently shut down anyone who isn't left enough for them on any level. All the time.

Far Right, and even civic nationalist Trump types spend all their energy just trying to host speeches and rallies to be heard. I could easily host some sort of debate with any White Nationalist, even the most lopsided and rigged type against them, and they would beg for it. If I asked an Antifa type to a debate, they would just firebomb your car.

>>communism
>>state enforced
>you don’t know what communism is
that's the point retard, communism cannot even leave the womb without enforcement so are you admitting communism is an impossible fever dream?

>economically, socially and environmentally exploitative people
>innocent
there you go. you just justified women and children being killed because they were part of the wrong family, because they were in the wrong economic strata.
you support the same shitty dehumanizing crimes as nazis, you just rationalize it as being done against "bad people," the same way as nazis rationalize it as being done against "parasites who are ruining our nation."

>6ix9ine this and 6ix9ine that niggas on my dick and on my yack

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I am actually a centrist, I despise bigotry and I've seen the harm it does to innocent people. My experience has probably been different than yours because I live around a lot of radical nutjobs.

youtube.com/watch?v=RbI76Ld_kIw
>the comments

great first impression. destiny is definitely not just another liberal who regurgitates the same anti-communist talking points he learned in pro-western high school as every other economically well-off toolbag.

she won video of the year a week ago, that's a pretty big normie recognition

>being a centrist means splitting every single issue exactly down the middle

most marxist-leninists would agree that pol pot was hardly even a socialist, i don’t know enough about the history of mao’s regime to comment, but stalin was like 90% good lol

>Why'd they lynch you, mr. 1800s black man in the deep south? Did you give them some REASON to lynch you? what made them so mad at you? HMMMM?
-le centrist liberal logic

>Far Right, and even civic nationalist Trump types spend all their energy just trying to host speeches and rallies to be heard.
so you've moved on to denying that right wing violence has ever even occurred.

also
>trump types
>civic nationalists

>Rita Ora's silence on Gamergate is deafening

>My experience has probably been different than yours because I live around a lot of radical nutjobs.
Nah, I know plenty of commies too; I've been to university.
If lefties accusing centrists of being Nazis is so prevalent, you should be able to identify as an example a centrist in the public eye who is *widely* accused of being a Nazi by lefties. I highlighted the term 'widely', because it doesn't mean shit if you can find one lunatic on twitter accusing everyone of being Nazis.

>communism cannot even leave the womb
you aren’t even aware that the transitionary phase between capitalism/feudalism to socialism is the ACTUAL womb and you have the balls to pretend like you know anything about communism ?

yeah those poor kulaks just couldn’t help exploiting people! get a grip, classism against the poor is ingrained in the minds of almost every middle class and up’s head from childhood til death, it’s how being raised under capitalism works.

>If lefties accusing centrists of being Nazis is so prevalent, you should be able to identify as an example a centrist in the public eye who is *widely* accused of being a Nazi by lefties.
have you not heard of jordan peterson or something

Fuck off Nazi

I sincerely hope you join the 40% (I know you're a tranny)

til jordan "women who wear makeup are asking to be sexually assaulted" peterson is a centrist

again
1) given the choice people will not want to "do communism" (including any transitional phase)
2) communism collapses unless it's an ever-looming presence through the entire society

2 can only be prevented (temporarily) if the choice from 1 is taken away

I have heard of Jordan Peterson, and I will admit that some people call him a Nazi, which is a characterisation that I disagree with. However, I specified a centrist, which Jordan Peterson is not.

*like every other economically well-off

there comes a point in every man’s life where you have to stop defining your politics by “look at how many leftist hypocrisies i think i’m seeing” and start looking at the facts.

Peterson is not a Nazi. I've heard that accusation before as well, and it is objectively untrue and absurd.

then what is it? he's fundamentally "live and let live". idk, I don't think a guy not wanting to be jailed for using the wrong pronouns puts him on the right

>so you've moved on to denying that right wing violence has ever even occurred.
You are misconstruing what I said though my word choice was/is clumsy. The Far Right have been actively trying to host rallies and speeches with great effort, while the Far Left have been actively trying shut down any dialogue between anyone they dislike with great effort. I say again, I have a better chance having a civil conversation with any far right person, than any far left person.

Not only is her music crap, she failed so badly at her first attempt at a music career that her rich parents had to bank roll another persona (complete with plastic surgery) for her.

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Because they're retarded and it's important for them to demonise moderates to enforce their orthodoxies

centre left and centre right can both be centrist

like she actually wrote it herself lmfao

are you one of those people who's so far left you think Donald "jews love me" Trump is a white nationalist?

He's right-wing, obviously.

Nah, during her whole "Lizzy Grant" pre-superfame era years ago, she was actually writing her songs and there were some rather perverse themes going on there.

straight, white, physically fit southern european-american male, actually.

>given the choice people will not want to "do communism"
1. who are these “people” in question? so vague.
2. communist parties worldwide past and certainly present seem to disagree with you.
>communism collapses
how can you make this judgement if communism has never been achieved before? it’s intellectually dishonest for either of us to assume this, i hope you know.

communism is always seen as a threat to western nations, by the way. see cold war propaganda, see the fact that rich conservatives funded the nazis and italian fascists.

what makes him right wing?
the fact he's not a marxist?

right wingers are more willing to engage in "civil" conversation because they know that any opportunity they have to platform their ridiculous ideas is a win. they never argue in good faith. nothing that they say is grounded in reality. and they get away with it because there's no way for their claims to be fact checked in real time.

that's why leftists have given up on "debating" them.

what's so bad about the status quo?

just look at the world around you

no. The fact that he's constantly pushing against progressive social movements like feminism, social justice, trans rights and political correctness. The guy's entire media persona is based upon criticising political correctness, and advocating for a return to traditional gender roles. How is that not a fundamentally conservative position?

you really do sound like some american tranny who has never lived anywhere near where actual attempts at communism happened and is therefor completely oblivious to what the ideology causes in the real world

SUUUURRRREEEEE yeah that's totally what's going on.

Shouldn't leftists be even more willing to engage in civil conversation if their ideas are "grounded in reality and good faith"?

>I don't like they way they argue so it's okay to just throw things at them and call in bomb threats

I'm guessing the status quo is all right for him user. It's pretty easy to deny it's raining when you live in a tent.

>muh communism has never been tried

He is not "advocating for a return to traditional gender roles" and he never has. I've read his work and watched the guy for years. I'm a woman and I would not be a follower of his if he advocated for such a thing.

sam harris

not when the other side won't do the same.

as a woman, leftists tend to be more attractive for some reason

But you just said that the right is more eager to do that

His entire media persona was constructed by the media. He's a psychologist who became an internet star because he believes people shouldn't be fined (and by extension, threatened with state violence) for using the wrong 3 letter words.

it's two entirely different things to "be against progressive movements," and to hold the position that certain schools of certain progressive movements are moving toward infringing on the rights of others.

the world is safer and richer than it's ever been

>unironically defending genocide

it’s exploitative of the working class, for starters.

>anecdotal evidence means something!
lmao
giving up so fast?
pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/29/in-russia-nostalgia-for-soviet-union-and-positive-feelings-about-stalin/

it’s a mixed bag.

sam "killing iraqi children is actually extremely good" harris

Political threads on Yea Forums are funny, you can tell this is the only board on the site that draws actual leftists because, despite this being an imageboard, these threads are always heavy on text and very light on images, just like leftist "memes".

...unless you're non-white, poor, and non-cis.

are you saying that’s incorrect?

which genocide specifically

Let's just be honest.
Leftists DO support thought-crime laws.
So being against thought-crime laws is right wing.
And that's okay & shouldn't be taken as a slur, because the right wing is obviously better than the left at this point.

People don't call him a Nazi
yea, it's pretty obvious that you're arguing in bad faith here. you know he's a conservative as well as I do.

they're more willing to engage in a farce. debating someone who argues in bad faith is a complete waste of time.

and the majority of those riches are concentrated in the hands of a few people. the status quo works but only for those who are already well off.

so you concede the point and now pivoting by trying explain away with a bunch baseless rhetoric.

throw a dart and see where it lands, there's no shortage. the holodomor was good and righteous in your mind?

>muh poor, black trannies

I can't believe you crazies still think this way. Sure, we've got things to improve, but the country is pretty fucking safe for us all. We can acknowledge our progress while still striving for improvement. So many people like you are totally pessimistic and think our flaws make the entire country fundamentally unfair and evil.

>“Communism has never been achieved”
Duh

this isn't true but it should be

those are certainly words that you typed there (with no evidence to speak of)

just to check, are you speaking from experience, or are you in fact a white non-poor cis person?

the original point was that leftists are more violent than right wingers, which i haven't conceded because it's absolutely not true.

He's not a conservative. Enough with the bs. You are clearly saying that because you don't like the guy.

it's probably because she has a super fat asshole.. or at least I am told

i agree with him and I'm black and gay

No, I'm not. I have no strong feelings for the guy. I'm calling him a conservative because he consistently advocates for conservative positions, and consistently criticises liberal ones.

Capitalist exploitation of the working classes is good, you literal communist faggot

Things I've learned from this thread:
* young radical Marxists are much more willing to defend their ideology's various genocides than nazis (who mostly deny the holocaust)
* but nazis are totally way more violent and bad than communists

please prove that the soviet union collapsed because of a flaw in marxist-leninist theory, thank you.

they’re human beings whether you want to accept it or not. i love when bigots reveal themselves and then act like the world is great for minority groups.

Communism has been tried, it’s never succeeded.

Things have improved way more for those people than they have for whites. In fact things have gotten worse for most whites compared to how great they were in the 50s.

cringe
based

he was against the iraq war

Genocide of kulaks.

>which i haven't conceded because it's absolutely not true.
you have when you tried justifying instead of denying in your last post. Nobody is fooled by your obtuseness.

>yea, it's pretty obvious that you're arguing in bad faith here. you know he's a conservative as well as I do.
lol. and this is a 'good faith' argument?

I’m not a commie.

they do

I admit, I am a white cis person (not exactly poor, I get by, not exactly wealthy either). I can't attest to the experience of racial minorities and LGBT people, I concede to that. However, I can say that I've lived my entire life with horrific medical issues, and I would have died at a very young age (and be hurt/discriminated against) had it not been for this country.

What is Hillsong

Prove it.

which genocide(s) are you referring to
for all intents and purposes, pol pot was a right-wing reactionary nut, and there’s no evidence that the holodomor was intentional, so what are you referring to?

hey, user, what’s communism?

somehow i think you’d feel much differently if you were raised working class.

i justified not engaging right wingers in debate. i never said anything about committing violence against them.

>hey, user, what’s communism?
not an argument

next

>pol pot was a right-wing reactionary nut,
yeah ok,
A right-wing avowed marxist-leninist?
are you off your fucking meds?

>i justified not engaging right wingers in debate.
which supports my point
>i never said anything about committing violence against them.
do you deny that the far left commits violence against right wingers, centrists and moderates?

Refusing to interact with the opposition will get us nowhere.

Ok, but please for future reference say "point of personal privilege" if you're going to speak as a cis white male.

yeah it's so embarrassingly dumb. "things could be better so the world is terrible and we need to tear it all down and start again." Actually, things are generally better than they've ever been and they are still lots of things to improve and fix and extremists should fuck off because they'll ruin absolutely everything

This is kinda like how Christians like to think Hitler wasn't "really a Christian."

Workers owning the means of production.

Okay, thanks for letting me know. I'm sorry to hear that you suffer from chronic illness, that must make your life difficult. So do you think your life would be improved by those (mainly liberal and progressive) politicians advocating for free universal healthcare, or those like Trump advocating for, um, blaming all societies' ills on minorities and migrants?

>do you deny that the far left commits violence against right wingers, centrists and moderates?
no. but they don't commit violence at the same level that right wingers do.

interacting with the opposition has gotten us nowhere.

Lefties are so nuts I can't even tell when people are being ironic and making fun of them anymore.

None of you belong on Yea Forums. Unironically go back to r.ddit, Resetera, Twitter, or wherever you frequent.

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>commie was actually a right-winger
lol it's always something isn't it

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>but they don't commit violence at the same level that right wingers do.
they do it more often, and there are more examples of far right people engaging or trying to engage in formal discussions than antifa.

true, it's far from perfect but it has dragged up living standards enormously in the third world

Marxism was never a thing in America so it will keep attracting naive, frustrated kids well into the distant future.
Eastern Europeans know how to deal with marxists because they've experienced it and suffered under it.
it may need to emerge here, just a little bit, for Americans to realize what a threat it is.

the world is headed towards ecological collapse and you're telling me things are better than they've ever been.

to help you out there, that was a joke. I'm not sure if it was a joke made by a leftie or a rightie, it could have been either, but probably the latter.

I'm not a bigot at all, I just laugh at the idea that the world is a terrible irredeemable place because it's not ideal for 0.01% of the population

Free universal healthcare is obviously an ideal concept, but it is completely impractical from an economic standpoint. And I don't agree with you on the "Trump blaming all societies' ills on minorities and migrants". I agree Trump is a nutcase, I'm no superfan of his, but I don't think he or his followers truly believe things like that.

>no. but they don't commit violence at the same level that right wingers do.
you're inspired to violence over less. Your side believes thoughts can be violent, and that words can be violent.
people don't remember the brownshirts for the severity of the specific injuries they caused, they remember them for the oppressive atmosphere they caused and represent.

And yet it works flawlessly in many European countries, which have often better and always more cost effective healthcare than the USA.

i want to make sure we’re on the same page and talking about the same thing when you say “communism,” that’s why i asked you to define it for me.

>kulaks
they destroyed grain and livestock *which was already scarce as fuck* (which explains why the collectivization had to happen in the first place) because they were knee-jerking, wealthy nationalists who were afraid of losing their profits and as a result millions of people starved. i don’t see how you could blame the soviet government for that.

that’s socialism, not communism.

hm yes because marx and lenin explicitly stated to be supported by the united states and to kill people who wear glasses

just admit that you anti-communists don’t know shit about the history of marxism-leninism beyond vague cliches.

I don't personally view it as "flawless"...

even if leftists do engage in violence more often, the actual acts themselves pale in comparison to what any one right winger has done.

i'm not going to address the second part anymore because it's not worth revisiting again. right wingers engaging in bad faith discussions is not something to be praised.

>not exactly poor
color me surprised
>horrific medical issues
you have medical care, quit your whining, the working class have it so much worse than you it’s not even funny.

Do you have any idea how shitty life was for the majority of human existence? And how much wealth and opportunity people have today due to global trade and modern technology?
>BOOO HOOO EVERYTHING'S NOT PERFECT

>wealth and opportunity
except if you’re poor

god i can almost smell how middle class you are

>we aren't living in caves anymore so stop crying
damn that's me absolutely blown the fuck out

I believe I'm from such a country that you're pointing at and it's pretty fucking far from flawless, and the countries where it "works" have a microscopic population in comparison to the US so it's completely useless to compare them

>even if leftists do engage in violence more often,
which they do
>the actual acts themselves pale in comparison to what any one right winger has done.
not relevant
>i'm not going to address the second part anymore because it's not worth revisiting again. right wingers engaging in bad faith discussions is not something to be praised.
again justify instead of denying that the right engage in more discussions. Do you even have a point anymore do you just like filling out captchas?

you don't just get to dismiss every Marxist dictator we mention as "right wing" just because he was crazy and oppressive. that's not how any of this works.
at some point you have to start noticing that the common denominator of all this craziness and oppression is Marxism.

holy shit this thread is going to hit bump limit before mods touch it

>"you have medical care, quit your whining, the working class have it so much worse than you it’s not even funny."

You know absolutely nothing about me. You have no idea what I've experienced. it wasn't just the "medical care" factor that saved me. This country is the only one in the world which had the specific treatment that my health issues required at the time. This country had that to offer me, and I am here today because of it.

True. Also education about communism is terrible, kids aren't taught about the horrors of the Soviet Union/ China etc. Doesn't help that GOP throw around "socialism" so lightly either

until the collapse it's gonna be lovely

>Antifa-kun ranting about his shit-tier ideology again
Yawn

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True, flawless was hyperbole. Obviously no system is flawless. But by all objective measures the US's healthcare system is inferior to the universal healthcare systems in northern europe and Canada, among others.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000
who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

In addition, the USA's system is the least cost-effective health care system compared to all European countries.
piie.com/blogs/realtime-economic-issues-watch/what-comparing-healthcare-costs-really-reveals

except i’ve only dismissed one if you were paying attention. mao and stalin did more good than bad, castro too.

>not relevant
it is relevant
>Do you even have a point
yes, that people who engage others in bad faith are worse than people who refuse to engage others at all

from one of those countries, it's extremely far from flawless but it's better than your shit

UwU

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Our system of healthcare in the US is horribly inefficient. We spend WAY more than any other country and get mediocre results.

good for you mr. middle class, no reason to act so proud.

>kids aren't taught about the horrors of the Soviet Union/ China
>implying anti-communism isn’t shoved down your throat in the US starting in middle school
are you retarded or dishonest?

Reject modernity
Embrace tradition

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Most retarded take in this thread. Left and right is completely subjective to where the major parties stances are. Also being Centre can mean so many different things. You could support libertarian-lite economic policy and leftist social policy or vice versa. When you start thinking that everyone not with you is a problem, you’re the fucking problem.

>and the countries where it "works" have a microscopic population in comparison to the US so it's pointless to compare them
Not a cogent argument. The USA has a higher population than any European country, which means higher overall healthcare costs, but because it is a bigger economy it gets more in tax receipts so that proportionally it is not that different. In addition, more health care staff are required to service the larger patient population, but there is a larger overall population from which to recruit doctors, nurses and other staff.
This 'population is bigger so you can't compare argument is facile and doesn't hold up to a moment's scrutiny.

So did every kulak deserve to die?

>the working class
>making sweeping statements about millions of people with different backgrounds, cultures and lifestyles.

I saw your exchange about Jordan Peterson, the other anons gave arguments as to why they believe he's in the center, and you replied with something along the lines of "lol you know he's conservative."
you're the bad faith actor ITT.
you're projecting.

i'm not the person who claimed that peterson is a conservative. i'm the guy who posted

yes and you live in the first world, stop fucking whining

Cute and heathenish!

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if they exploited the working class, absolutely.

so you don’t believe social class influences said backgrounds and lifestyles?

>muh working class badge of honor

do politicians who support imperialism deserve to die?

>Mr.Middle class

I am neither of those things.

And I know people have struggled horribly in different ways, I take no pride in my experience. I am simply recounting it to prove my claim, which is that America is not a fundamentally flawed and unfair country.

yeah. "muh working class" is a morality pet for these student marxist types.
In reality, they can't fucking stand them. These far left guys are the first ones to call somebody an "inbred toothless redneck" over a disagreement about Trump or whatever.
and then it's right back to the 'hero of the proletariat' act.

Stating that women who wear make up are asking to be sexually assaulted is actually a completely normal and centrist take. Can't imagine what you possibly find conservative or right-wing about that.

not an argument

weak b8

So much this. :3

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countries with a small population simply aren't similar to countries with large populations, they're just not

healthcare works better in low density population areas here, once you get to the bigger cities it's a shitshow

(for context, my mother is a nurse)

test

not from the US. If you're right you need to do a better job judging by the upsurge in commie edgelords in the US

No country in the world has better healthcare than the United States. There are improvements that need to be made on costs but there’s a reason people travel thousands of kilometers to be treated in the US rather than there socialized system in Europe/Canada

>it is relevant
you have done a pisspoor job explaining why
>yes, that people who engage others in bad faith are worse than people who refuse to engage others at all
first of all you are framing this on a premise that isn't naturally assume. You call it "bad faith" just because you aren't willing to take their ideas seriously. This is just a fancy way of saying that you don't have the stones to challenge their ideas in debate.
>are worse than people who refuse to engage others at all
even an outright sophist is preferable to someone who isn't willing to engage in debate yet seem really adamant about pushing their agenda on you, because that inevitably means that that person is looking to use violence to get what they want

as a marxist, i see working class white people as comrades just as much any other oppressed group. quit generalizing.

poor people exist in the first world

absolutely.

>they're just not
Why not?

He never said that. Again, you misrepresent his claims/past statements. Also, again, I'm female and I would not be a supporter of an individual who believes in that sort of thing.

What about the women and children

what's so great about being working class?

i honestly can't tell if this is bait

>I know, I'll interpret an out-of-context snippet of something said in the context of psychology/sociology through the lens of pop identity politics. that's good faith, right?

Whatever I say he said you're going to claim he never said that, because whatever he said he didn't say, and whatever he said he didn't mean, and you need to watch 300 hours of his lectures to understand the context of what he said. So what's the point even having this discussion?
(hint: there isn't one)

being into an exploitative family is a shame indeed, marrying an exploitative man is even worse though.

what the hell are you talking about? the existence of the working class is a natural result of capitalism, it’s horrible to be working class.

>nothing the man said can be ever used as evidence of his beliefs

So you’d have them killed too.

*being born into

what are you struggling with?

There seems to be no reasoning with you.

Holy fuck I'm so triggered r/n. I want all Jordan Peterson fans to be brutally killed. There's no redeeming these fucking morons.

I'd hate commies a lot less if you'd drop the comrade shit. It's the cringiest shit ever

>as a marxist,
statements that are worthy of state-manded sterilization for 500, alex

>it’s horrible to be working class
i’m referring to the experience of being working class, not working class people you fucking halfwit.

I'm a Jordan Peterson fan, why do you want me to be hurt? I wouldn't wish that on you.

You should be brutally killed t.b.h. Jordan Peterson fans are absolutely harmless.

it’s just a marxist tradition, just like you hating communism is a liberal or fascist tradition :)

Based.

>marry a man I don't want you to marry and I'm ok with you being murdered
damn... and they say rightists are the woman hating incels

so the answer is to create a classless society under communism?
What about people who work hard, save money and become middle class?

Problem?

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my nus are big, lol

Wrong post retard.

take the initiative, coward

dub confirm

i was quoting myself retard

>working class people don’t work hard
sheltered middle classmen detected

economically exploitative people are bad, would you not agree?

I already said why, can't you read?
This is fine. When you post that there's no mistaking that it's racist. You have the honesty and the strength of your convictions to be openly racist, rather than hinting and dog-whistling and then denying the meaning of what you said when someone accuses you of racism.

>mao
>good

Mao was a fucking retard. He also had horrendous hygiene, probably much like you.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

I said "state mandated" to relieve myself of responsibility, just like you do with the genocides you support

I don't think the state should have the power to take somebody's life over subjective interpretations of somebody's "badness," I guess I'm just reactionary and right-wing like that

Yeah your political ideology is garbage and in action it's an absolute nightmare but you can't even get your aesthetics right, red flags, those gay hats, ugly brutalist buildings and "comrade", fucking gross. Even the Nazis could get that part right.

If hitler was racist than how come that his friends were black mexican asian?

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What is your solution for the working class?

Yeah and they have a welfare state to help them and opportunities to gain wealth

checked

I mean, Hitler was racist because he hated Jewish people, Roma, Slavs and other ethnicities, and because he thought that Aryan people were superior to non-aryans. It didn't really have anything to do with who his friends were.

Here's the problem with separating marxist theory from how it always manifests, National Socialism isn't really racist or oppressive IN THEORY either. Mein Kampf states the Jews are "the aryan race's greatest and most powerful rival" (not an "inferior race," contrary to popular belief), the incentive to destroy them was the belief that they were oppressing Germans. A nazi who's well versed in the insanity that is national socialism can make his ideology out to be just an innocent as commies like to make Marxism out to be innocent.
both ideologies are murderous shit.

wrong. see:
He believed the races are fundamentally different in unique ways, but also believed in racial cooperation. They nazis looked up to Islamic culture in some ways, as long as it stayed where it was.

that could all be true, but it absolutely no bearing on my point does it?

rateyourmusic.com/~ZSK

The women probably weren’t the ones being economically exploitive. Don’t play retarded dude.

neither were a lot of the men who were disappeared under various Marxist regimes, but y'know... greater good...

itt: everybody gets triggered

itt: centrists try and explain why the far left is toxic and the far leftists try to excuse their insanity

rateyourmusic.com/~Process

that sounds pretty accurate, actually

this

based

Imagine being so myopic you make that image.