Why is it when Pink Floyd aimlessly jams for 20 minutes at a time its considered some of their best work...

Why is it when Pink Floyd aimlessly jams for 20 minutes at a time its considered some of their best work, but when Tool jams for anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes its considered boring and pretentious?

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Because nothing happens in Tool jams. It's the same sleep inducing 10 seconds looped over 10 minutes.

because Pink Floyd have interesting lyrics

because pink floyd doesn’t fuck fucking cock

Pink Floyd’s songs actually sound different from one another

tool doesnt "jam"

Pink Floyd wanders, Pink Floyd discovers, Pink Floyd explores

Tool grinds, Tool trudges, Tool rubs riffs so hard into your face that they bring you pain even if you enjoyed them when you first heard them

Two different types of music

This comment section reads like a fucking fantano video. Way to actually say nothing objective whatsoever about the music.

Pink Floyd is Rock, Tool is Metal

The mid-section of Dogs is pure aural bliss

>comment section

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It's a subjective artform you idiot. How could you say anything objective about it? You pseudointellectual NITWIT!

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>taking all these years to record the same riffs your wrote 30 years ago
Absolute brilliance.

because tool is garbage, grow up

>subjective
Learn what the words you use actually mean. "Music is subjective" is straight up grammatically incorrect gibberish.
Music has objective observable features. You can form objective opinions based on observations of said features. Which nobody in this chain is making.
This place reads like youtube comments. I am not going to dignify this shithole and the subhumans that inhabit it by referring to it as anything else.

because Pink Floyd is better than Tool

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>comment section
>objectivity in music
gonna be a yikes from me dog

who's that qt

Because Pink Floyd Were a talented band inbetween 1968 and 1983

>Learn what the words you use actually mean. "Music is subjective" is straight up grammatically incorrect gibberish.
Music has objective observable features. You can form objective opinions based on observations of said features. Which nobody in this chain is making.

PEAK Pseud. Have fun finding objectivity in a subjective universe unless you believe in God. What you mean is that you could create subjective laws that music could abide to (HINT: THAT MEANS THAT IT'S STILL SUBJECTIVE YOU DORK!) . Obviously anyone with an IQ over 130 would realize how dumb that is, though.

Holy shit you're fucking illiterate. You do realise "objective opinion" is not an oxymoron, right, and that analysis of music based on objective, observable features is entirely possible. Do you understand what "observable features" mean? Can you even speak English beyond the level of a fucking infant?

You are beyond retarded if you think there is objective truth without God.

Read Hegel

There are no objective features of music retard, music theory is gibberish garbage humans made up. It's not science. I could make my own music theory and it would hold no less value than the currently dominant one

lol that's some bad philosophy right there

that's a man user. ur gay

I'll accept your reluctant concession of defeat. I suggest in the future you be more humble about it.

That is not bad philosophy. If you think there is objective truth I honestly don't know what to tell you.

Gets it. Take the post-modernist pill. The only problem I have with what you say is that science isn't objective truth.

traps are not gay faggot
looks like a woman smells like a woman moans like a woman
it's a woman

>There are no objective features of music
Hpw do you suggest people go about transcribing and writing music down then? Are they wizards dealing in the metaphysical?

I'm literally right though lmao
Gets it once again. Take the post-modernist pill

>Are they wizards dealing in the metaphysical?
Proof you don't know wtf you're talking about. We're all dealing with the metaphysical by doing something immaterial like thought. And I like how you fail to realize that they're transcribing music into a literal made up human system. Literally made up.

I still want this user to reply. You can't just call such a hotly debated idea bad (a subjective view of what bad is, proving me right once again) without explaining why.

Literally every single philosopher worth a damn didn't believe in objective truth without God.

Man, TOOL is boring af. It sounds the same song by song, every album.

dude I have a philosophy degree you have no clue what you're talking about. There is no objective truth and there is no god.

Hegel would think you're a retard btw

fair enough

user I'm literally arguing that there is no objective truth. Are you replying to the wrong person? I have a degree too.

this woke something in me what the fuck

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Language is literally made up, doesn't mean it can't be used to convey objective information, such as the easily observable fact that you are a cretin.

"Objective information"
Nice job presupposing that objective truth exists and then trying to get me on it.

oh I thought you were arguing for the existance of god and objective truth lol sorry.

Still, while not fully objective, there is still ontological truth in the world

This isn't even a strawman at this point you're genuinely this retarded.

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Yep, taking faith in the most probable is the closest thing to objective truth and you're a schizo if you don't. As in, btfoing solipsism because it is probable that there are other people than you.
You're literally just slipping in random shit. I really don't think you know what you're talking about.

Why is the space between the boss's legs three times as wide as his head

can yall shut the fuck up we need to talk about this picture

I swear if I could get to you I'd beat the everliving fuck out of your retarded teen ass, I'm 100% guaranteed you'd go back on your retarded Hegelian shit and start believing in objective truth as you go on to press charges for assault.

Do you like it?

Seeth more retard, your views are legitimately logically incoherent if you're an atheist

> durrr I don't have anything else to say so I will retort to physically threatening you

how does it feel to literally have the same solvency as a neanderthal?

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wait wait you are not the same user as right? I thought we were on the same page about god

Still here, I'm not that guy.

Your views aren't worth shit if you can't survive being tested, which is pretty much guaranteed for any "dude nothing is real" slackjawed faggot the moment their jaw gets dislocated.

>when Tool jams for anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes its considered boring and pretentious?
Uh no, it's not. And tool never "jams" usually, it's almost always well thought out

>Your views aren't worth shit if you can't survive being tested

There used to be a time when physical might meant power. No matter how stupid, if you knew how to physically subue others you would be at the top of your heirarchy.

Now things are different though, power is much more subtle than that. It requires a certain amount of intelligence to subdue others.

That's why morons like you dream to go back to the days when punching someone meant being more powerful than them.

No matter how jacked you get, or how many people you punch, you will always be an idiot.

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>the validity of an idea lies in whether I can physically batter its proponents

What a terrible thread this is.

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>"Music is subjective" is straight up grammatically incorrect gibberish

who's this? Just some random trap? this is the first time an obvious trap made me feel something lol

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It's only objective to a subjective standard. Sure, you can describe what qualities of music you like in an objective fashion, but those qualities being good isn't inherent to the universe like the laws of thermodynamics or some shit.

The only objective truth you believe in with that philosophy degree is the unemployment line

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>name
What is reverse image source

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>missing the point
It's all well sitting around on the internet shruging off all responsibility of holding expertise in the topics you talk about, yet if a great injustice were to be dealt to you, I can guarantee you you'd drop all your pretense of "there is no truth" and head straight to court to give your oath of telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Hegelism is dreck employed by frauds who can't accept their ignorance and use this fantasy philosophy as nothing more than a coping mechanism. "It's a big name. If I drop it, I won't need to argue my stance and I'll appear smart anyway" is your subconscious reasoning, but deep down not even you believe in this stupid shit.

Because tool is fucking boring

objectively based