All those Anons saying they can't understand sopranos in the other thread. Are Wagnerian sopranos just better at this? I can understand everything Astrid Varnay sings.
The fact that most people do not understand and respect the very best things, such as Mozart's concertos, is what permits men like us to become famous. Johannes Brahms
Threadly reminder that Mozart underrating is a mental disease
Astrid Varnay is a top-tier soprano, but most modern soprani are dogshit and cannot even pronounce the language of whatever repertoire they're singing.
Also, vibrato isn't so bad, it's just that a lot of modern singers overuse it to compensate, which is ironic, because they'd sound far better without it. Grob-Prandl is an amazing soprano and her vibrato could be quite extensive.
I love how asshurt modern plebs get at this channel.
Wotan's decree, by various singers throughout the years: >Friedrich Schorr (conducted by Leinsdorf, played by the Metropolitan Orchestra in 1941) a.uguu.se/OVCxcwKB68Wa.mp3 >Julius Huehn (conducted by Leinsdorf, played by the Metropolitan Orchestra in 1943) a.uguu.se/yqkfHhjylaMJ.mp3 >Ferdinand Frantz (conducted by Furtwängler, played by the La Scala Orchestra in 1950) a.uguu.se/LRS6IT4Z4QIV.mp3 >Hans Hotter (conducted by Krauss, played by the Bayreuther Festspiele in 1953) a.uguu.se/zppQ57HEs6yd.mp3 >George London (conducted by Leinsdorf, played by the London Symphony Orchestra in 1961) a.uguu.se/kvlrGoUWQl6X.mp3 >Theo Adam (conducted by Böhm, played by the Bayreuther Festspiele in 1967) a.uguu.se/pq0ARYbCGmQd.mp3 >Thomas Stewart (conducted by Karajan, played by the Berliner Philharmoniker in 1967) a.uguu.se/LDQmbxha8vDh.mp3 >Donald McIntyre (conducted by Boulez, played by the Bayreuther Festspiele in 1980) a.uguu.se/gAIMnPZwoDiV.mp3 >Robert Hale (conducted by Sawallisch, played by the Bayerischen Staatsoper in 1989) a.uguu.se/Qp15cPEfeJ5l.mp3 >John Wegner (conducted by Neuhold, played by the Badische Staatskapelle in 1995) a.uguu.se/XFspOrhhcduy.mp3 >Falk Struckmann (conducted by Young, played by the Hamburg Philharmoniker in 2008) a.uguu.se/jObV6dX30s4s.mp3 >Tomasz Konieczny (conducted by Janowski, played by the Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Berlin in 2012) a.uguu.se/050O4Dj6hdAZ.mp3
>listening to Gesualdo >he starts to quote Dante Wtf why did no one tell me when I asked for Dante-inspired classical. He just keeps getting more based youtube.com/watch?v=mREr2IatxPQ
Also the jewish early music guy did a 20 minute video on Luzzaschi youtu.be/HpFrBUQUaNM
Jacob Collins
No, but I found this book in portuguese (which I can read) about his Madrigals and thought about getting it. The cover reads "An Interpretive Study under the Light of his Poetic Ideal" Anyone know about this? Is it good?
Sounds a bit more academic than the book I mentioned. It's probably good. I guess we are one of the few people in the world who cares about these books, so if anyone is gonna read 'em it might as well be us. Gonna order "The Gesualdo Hex" next paycheck, I can report back if it's good or not at some point.
why even write in lydian if you're not gonna accentuate the high fourth? this sounds just like any other choir piece from the same period
Xavier Reed
>why even write in lydian if you're not gonna accentuate the high fourth? Bruckner wanted to evoke a heavenly purely diatonical texture akin to Renaissance Beethoven did the same here to thank God for recovering from an illness
"Heiliger Dankgesang eines Genesenen an die Gottheit, in der lydischen Tonart" ("Holy song of thanksgiving of a convalescent to the Deity, in the Lydian mode").
I've been following This Is Opera! for a bit now and the first time I do when I finish each video, I scroll to the very bottom and look for juicy put-downs in the comments. The best ones are the unaware deconstructivist, zoomers who claim that it's all subjective and they personally love how beautiful the *insert random shitty modern tenor* sounds and how wonderful they feel. One of the best comments sections for classical music. God, I fucking hate Pappano, Bartolli, Fleming, DiDonato, Oropesa, MET, & its American singers in general. Will now have to listen to some Gesualdo madrigals now to cool down...
Jaxson Ortiz
Which thread was this user referring to? Someone please link archive or direct me so that I can find it. Grazie mille.
Komm and say that to my Gesicht you little Fotze. I'll slap you with Sieben Worte and you'll tend the other cheek as our Herr says. Amen. Also check out this heisse Scheisse, most of you Sojabohnenfresser wont understand though. youtube.com/watch?v=WVd9KU_wDoo
so what's the consensus here on the reconstruction/completion of beethoven's tenth? fake or fraud? any other reconstructions of lost works that you like, besides the obvious mozart requiem?
Dylan Perez
I liked the Mozart's c minor mass reconstruction Salzburg premiered this month. Both Khovanshchina orchestrations of Rimsky-Korsakov and Shostakovitch are good.
I checked my downloads, but I listened to the radio live that morning and didn't download it afterwards. Austrian radio has a 7 day restriction, so the link is gone. There will be another concert featuring the reconstruction next January.
Josiah Morales
nice digits
Justin Morales
"Conducting" the piece you need to play 20 years at least to develop this transcendental technique
Carson Brown
reminder: always finish on debussy, never on the bach
"Ayo Gesualdo, you working on those Madrigals?" Mozart asked. He took notice of the somber state of his chromatic friend, fully aware of his dramatic self-exclusion into the darkest corner of the room, where he wrote on his harpsichord. Dissonant, long notes filled the air between the two as they developed slowly and counterpunctually into the young musical genius' ears. "Let me be, wig-man." The italian replied, after a similarly dramatic and intentional pause. God, how he wished he could be beat up by some servants right now. Yes, that'd be ideal. It's what he deserved... His depressive thoughts, by now so comforting and ccommonplace in his self-deprecating mind, were suddenly interrupted as his face bolted upwards, a reflex over a feeling on his shoulder. A most warm, welcoming, well-tempered feeling... The italian soon met his eyes with Mozart's, whose arm embraced his friend in a conforting gesture. Gesualdo looked away as soon as their sight connected, both (as his blushing made obvious) due to his shyness and to try and escape from the strong smell of powder emanating from the younger man's wig. Yet, he had to admit, the smell was intoxicating, as were his eyes... He couldn't keep on ignoring both.
Both are also used in Eroica's first movement development
Tyler Davis
"Carlo, my friend, it surprises me you'd sit by yourself to so insistently write on this keyboard of yours, while we both know all these tones you conjure up will only be sung by human voices. You know, other instruments *do* exist, okay?" "And *you* know of my appreciation for the lute-" Gesualdo argued back, before being interrupted. "Ah yes, your grand total of one work for it that I've heard. Truly impressive." Carlo now held his visage donwards, ashamed, as would any musician in Wolfgang's presence. His head was gently raised back by the boy genius in red with a single finger under his chin. "You insist on transcribing these works of yours for the use of other human mouths but... perhaps we could both put this mouth of *yours* to some use, eh?" Before Gesualdo could express any confusion, Mozart had used his superior musical hands' prowess to hold his head in place as he kissed him, forcing himself inside. The only counterpoint in the room was now made by their tongues.
Only edgy retards pretend Mozart was anything less than #1 composer ever. I envision every person's classical journey to pick up Mozart in the beginning, drop him for more obscure composers, but then return to him at last for eternity.
>No concerto 18 20 or 24 Suck my dingaling dong >no Symph. 34 or 39 Suck my schlanblan >no Don Giovanni Okay now you're just fucking with me on purpose
Nathan Wright
Yes, the concertos were my bad. Those certainly deserve to be on there. The 34th and 39th symphonies are debatable. I had 39 on there, but took it off in favor of the Haffner. Don Giovanni is based, but not a beginner opera.
In speaking of the immortal Haydn who was Beethoven’s teacher, Andre de Hevesy, says: “Everybody knows the incident at Kismarton or Eisenstadt, the residence of Prince Esterhazy. In the middle of the first allegro of Haydn’s symphony, His Highness asked the name of the author. He was brought forward. “‘What!’exclaimed the prince, ‘the music is by this blackamoor? ‘Well, my fine blackamoor, henceforward, thou art in my service.'”
Carpani, who originally related this says that “Haydn’s complexion gave room for the sarcasm.” And that Haydn had the title of “second professor of music but his new comrades called him The Moor.” (G. Carpani: Le Haydn, etc. Letter 5. Milan, 1812).
Referring to the above incident, Alexander W. Thayer, perhaps the foremost authority on Beethoven, says, “Beethoven had even more of the Moor in his features than his master, ‘Haydn.'” (Beethoven, Vol. I, p. 146). By “Moor” was meant “Negro.” Until recent times the German for “Negro” was “Mohr.”
Jesus this is so fucking good You ever started to laugh out loud from listening to music because it's just so good? Happened years ago when I first heard Tännhauser and now with this recording
Johann Nepomuk Hummel, John Field, Louis Spohr, Carl Maria von Weber, Maria Agata Szymanowska, Carl Czerny, Louise Farrenc, Mikhail Glinka.
William Sullivan
Well if he really meant muzak then that's a stupid anachronism and he should just end his interest in hobbyist music entirely.
Kevin Thompson
Jazz is dead in the sense that it has become some dry academic 2complex4u bullshit completely removed from the original spirit of the genre. Classical is dead in the sense that no one gives a shit about classical anymore and most new composers are still stuck in the 20th century making 2deep4u bleep bloop atonal bullshit.
Isaac Baker
>most new composers are still stuck in the 20th century making 2deep4u bleep bloop atonal bullshit Guess how I know you have literally no idea what you're talking about.
Nathan Scott
>muh favourite obscure composer writes tonal music therefore you are wrong no
Henry Hill
Western Sydney composer Holly Harrison grew up wanting to make music. But she cannot remember learning about a single female composer at school – except, that is, Clara Schumann.
Schumann was a child prodigy, a pianist and a composer who had a profound influence on the Romantic era. It was her love letters to Johannes Brahms, however, that became the focus during lessons.
The takeaway was clear: a woman’s worth came down to her relationships with men. Not her music.
Andrew Miller
That's quite an assumption, a wrong one at that. Anyway, how many contemporary concerts/events have you visited recently?
Charles Foster
Jews
Evan Walker
*adds*
Hudson Morris
There are no good female composers it's not MY fault I mean there were in the fucking medieval era
>There are no good female composers it's not MY fault Wrong.
Nathan Morales
petzold
Caleb Hernandez
...it IS my fault?
Benjamin Long
Hey analysisfags why did Bach made the Gratias and the Dona Nobis Pacem sound almost the same in the B minor Mass?
Jonathan Martinez
Why is Shostakovich's music generally depressive? he's probably the highest profile composer that maintained dark style in his music either directly or indirectly
Bentley Stewart
Yes it IS because muh stalin
Jayden Ortiz
even Shostakovich nationalistic and cheerful music had this "please help me" indirectly
Jayden Lee
Apparently the man was quite the neurotic, and his life conditions wouldn't have helped. Also it seems his main interests lay in exploring avantgarde/modernistic/new music. He's noted for his use of cynisism; I'd assume it's fair to say that he was mostly uninterested in provoking in listeners the emotions that composers of the romantic era (his supposed influencers) strifed for.
In short the despair, cynicism, etc. in his work could be Shostakovich sharing his own feelings, or it could be him exploring other possible emotions in music. Or both. Or neither.
how are is the acoustics in symphony center in Chicago? listening to a live recording right now and the sound is really flat. American flags on the stage don't improve the sound btw.
Brandon Evans
*how shit are the acoustics
Charles Torres
why XX century music is so cringe?
Oliver Watson
Inaccessible to untrained ears and people with narrow musical horizons. Start with blockbusters like Chopin, Tchaikovsky, then built from there.
Adrian Ortiz
Because the defining characteristic of the 20th century is that its two main philosophical movements, Freudianism and Marxism were both anti-science, in contrast to everything which European culture had hitherto been striving since the Renaissance. Just as almost nothing in Freud is repeatable under controlled circumstances, so did the CIA-funded Darmstadt crowd believe that they too required no justification for their music besides their own reactionary, downwards spiraling, life-negating ideology, as long as the money and professorship posts kept flowing as a result of government intervention..
Tyler Carter
>u jus dun unnerstand oof
William Perez
and in the end, after a lot of frowning and chin rubbing, you will suddenly ""understand"" Boulez's 'Structures' and other peep crack ploink music.
Bentley Perry
It’s not. 12 tone and atonal is a logical progression from what came before. John Cage and Stockhausen opened worlds of possibilities
Henry Barnes
>atonality is the logical conclusion of tonality >white is the logical conclusion of black >losing is the logical conclusion of winning this is how you sound
Kevin Baker
Based. kek hilariously schizophrenic He's right.
Owen Walker
based trips
cringe samefag
Hudson Thomas
>samefag Wrong and not an argument.
Isaac Jackson
Cringe
Austin Bailey
Cringe
Cameron Cruz
>logical progression It's not fucking 'logical' to take a means of communication with universal appeal, where, post-Debussy, literally anything goes, and make up rules so anything you write will be so ugly that any human being will instinctually hate it.
Xavier Perry
So how do we get the youth to listen to classical?
Mason Campbell
are you the boomer who thinks the This is Opera! youtube channel is legit?
Brandon Torres
the only one making an actual argument was
Lincoln Rodriguez
Yeah and it was a shit schizophrenic opinion that isn't based on reality. There is no such thing as "Freudianism" as a philosophical movement (neither is that an actual term that anybody has ever used) and to imply Marxism is anti-science is absolute nonsense that can obviously come from somebody that doesn't even know what Marxism is, but is also to be expected from somebody who probably thinks anything left of Wilhelm II is "muh destroying muh european culture" and even implying that European culture was striving towards one single thing since the Renaissance is pure ahistorical dreck and an oversimplified idea. His post is just nightmare-fuelled schizophrenia and the only thing missing from it is a triple bracket.
Levi Rodriguez
Not to mention that are far more than just two main influences in the 20th century, not just Freud and Marx, but I guess ultranationalism never happened in major countries in his schizophrenic mind.
Benjamin Flores
Then we've come full circle. There was no reason to avoid the augmented 4th
>thinking Nietzsche is 20th century The state of this board.
Jacob Sullivan
Well, the other guy mentioned Marx. And their influence didn't stop at the turn of the century
Luke Rodriguez
Nietzsche, Hegel, Kant and Schopenhauer were all just as influential. And then you also have Herder, Strauss, Wittgenstein and Russell.
Ian Ward
And obviously some of these didn't live in the 20th century, but I'm talking about the influence that they had on the century and that is the important part.
I get it man, Aphex Twin’s Druqks is the best electronic album in the past 20 years and couldn’t exist without those two. John Cage popularizing prepared instruments is huge in rock too. Plus a lot of his compositions are good too.
Don’t care for the randomness theory stuff, but even that has obvious analogs in electronic instruments with randomizing functions.
These guys are only talentless to hacks who wish music stayed baroque and romantic in perpetuity
Miles Davis, Duke Ellington, movie composers like Vangelis and Ennio Morricone, Aaron Copland. West beat the Soviets culturally, not even remotely contested.
Brandon Watson
Stay a pleb, I don’t care.
Ayden Nelson
>Without B.B. King, Burzum wouldn't exist. >Creativity can only follow one path to fruition
1. Wrong. 2. Then it isn't just cynicism that can't be expressed through music but any sort of philosophical idea, and this post is just as senseless. But I know you aren't him and you're just a fucker playing the Devil's Advocate to fuel his own superiority so don't reply to me and let him do it because I asked him and not you
Jason Howard
Posting a Wikipedia link doesn't constitute as an argument. I didn't even refer to your CIA funding the Darmstadt thing, that did happen, however it happened for reasons you obviously don't know.
Stuff like this is perfect for horror movies and you hear tons of stuff like it in them. If you don’t like it that’s fine, but he took music in new directions that were very influential. I like Aphex Twin more, but you hear lots of Cage in his stuff.
as far as I can tell it's Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex (1958, english translation 1991) by Julius Evola. The Weininger he mentions is Otto Weininger, author of Sex and Character (1903).
Stop underrating K. 365 damn it, it is sublime. You guys never include it with the other piano concerti when you rec them to newfags youtube.com/watch?v=a-gVtGrl8QM
Ayden Green
where to start with Arvo Pärt?
Dylan Jones
Symphony No. 3
Juan Ramirez
Uhhh
Lincoln Phillips
That is one ugly sounding pianoforte. Also look up Immerseel's Trout Quintet recording for a laugh at the goofiest of instruments
I love that recording. Probably one of the most energetic performances of the piece out there, and the double bass almost sounds like a contrabassoon with those delicious gut strings.
