I don't anticipate getting a positive response if any at all, but here goes. I would like recommendations on how to approach classical music and what I should listen to next. I don't know music theory or any technical aspects of composition or instrumentation. I dipped my toe in a pool of avant-rock/IDM touchstone composers mostly. I've enjoyed Wendy Carlos, Morton Feldman, Terry Riley, Steve Reich and Gyorgy Ligeti. My favorite composition is Quator Pour Le Fin Du Temps by Olivier Messiaen. I discovered this through the work of Jonny Greenwood. I'd like to get a more fundamental appreciation for classical music without having to endure the bombast or sentimentality of the popular standards. And I'd hope for something with more engaging melodies and cohesive rhythmic structures than what I overhear when I very occasionally switch on a classical radio station. The closest I come to enjoying more traditional and popular compositions are of the simple, soothing variety such as Clair De Lune or something by Arvo Part.
>I'd like to get a more fundamental appreciation for classical music without having to endure the bombast or sentimentality of the popular standards. And I'd hope for something with more engaging melodies and cohesive rhythmic structures than what I overhear when I very occasionally switch on a classical radio station
Where do I go to learn to appreciate the classics? I am scared all this will be is noise that go from one ear through to the next without another thought entering my mind. I want to learn what made the classics so good other than the simple pleasure of being unoffensive to my ears.
Christopher Cox
Classic is no different than any other genre. There's shit that you listen to, it stands out and you can't get it out of your head.
Just listen to various classical music and see what you like. I personally started listening to opera songs, and that's what got me interested. youtube.com/watch?v=W6dBmnbRFKw
Brandon Gray
>My favorite composition is Quator Pour Le Fin Du Temps by Olivier Messiaen. based youtu.be/6EU0ISo996A
Caleb Rivera
What's the best way to listen to opera? At the moment I watch subtitled performances on Youtube
Nicholas Cruz
Terrible description of classical. It is not to be listened to like any other genre, it requires concentration that other forms of music do not
Ian Scott
live, obviously
Aaron Nelson
Listen to a good performance and read the libretto along
Matthew Adams
Learn German.
Ayden Peterson
Listen to everything you can get your hands on from Messiaen and then follow his students from Darmstadt i.e. the serialists Boulez, Stockhausen, the list goes on.
Daniel Lee
I've listened to Bach's Matthew Passion and Arvo Part's Passio. What are some other great sacred works? Ideally about our Lord Jesus Christ. I really like the deep voiced singer in Passio, but overall Matthew Passion is better in every way.
Juan Gomez
>Classic is no different than any other genre. Wrong. Not to mention many will disagree that it's even a single genre because it's a vastly more diverse and older tradition than any of the music you could lump into a genre tag in the past century.
Glad to see that after a few weeks of absence there is even more avatarfagging in this shitty general.
Nathan Walker
Wealthy old boomershits can never understand the youthful, sorrowful souls of Mozart, Schubert, Chopin, Mendelssohn, Schumann etc. It's so easy to "be stirred" by Winterreise from the comfort of your fifty dollar seat, isn't it you crusty windbags?
i've come to the conclusion that Ravel is probably the gayest of all the French composers, right after Lully. Never realized how feminine he sounded compared to Debussy, Franck or Roussel
>tfw starting to prefer Poulenc, Tailleferre, Boulanger, Roussel over Ravel >tfw Maurice Emmanuel, Emmanuel Chabrier Gabriel Faure, and Erik Satie were the true innovators of French music
Never go to concert versions of Opera, they suck ass like 80% of times
Ethan Bailey
Penderecki's choral works, I really like Song of the Cherubim
Michael Edwards
Hey guys, haven come to Yea Forums in a long time. How are you doing? Right one I'm analyzing Wagner's B flat major sonata for one of my videos. Yeah, fuck me.
they have the advantage of the better acoustics in the concert halls, given that it's a traditional shoe box and not a new meme hall. It's usually not the best way to get know a new opera, as it's hard to follow the story without a staging.
Sebastian Scott
stop with the anime, mister cringe
Grayson Gray
weve already established that glen is based as long as he is posting baroque and before
recommend me some sad pieces, preferrably short (under 20 minutes). thank you.
David Rivera
Why is the violin so hard? I've been playing for two years now and while I'm not completely terrible at it I also feel everything I play is kinda shit with a few good moments in between. Should've picked the piano. at least wouldn't struggle so much with being out of tune.
Jeremiah Turner
IMO, Tchaikosvky simphonies weren't him at his strongest. would recommend his piano and violin concertos above anything. They're easy to listen to.
Hello /classical/fags. Tourist here. What's some good entry-level classical pieces and composers that haven't been ruined by cultural memefication? I'm really intressested in getting into the music but I have no where to begin out-side of the *really* obvious stuff. Thanks for any suggestions!
>tfw you literally changed the course of Music, created some unheard never explored harmonies, single handlely developed Opera into actual Music instead of just greek theater larping >tfw nobody mentioned you
Have a shufti at Mahler's 2nd Symphony. /classical/ hates Mahler for some reason, but he was composing at the perfect time for maximum reach. He's got elements of baroque polyphony in the waltz, post-cpp in the slow movement, and late romantic expressionism in the first and last. youtube.com/watch?v=D7xcgOQK7cc
Charles Moore
normies have peddled against Mozart underrating for a while now but based Glen doing God's work by peddling Monteverdi
Noah Reyes
I like Mahler for the most part, just a few symphonies like 5 especially strike me as vastly overrated
John Brown
Thanks for the help lads! I can also add that I really like Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, if that is to any help if other people would like to spoonfeed me stuff.
I'm gonna check out this as well for no other reason than that Fins are based and I like the painting in the video.
Ryder Hernandez
which of his stuff would you recommend to someone not familiar with his work?
>L'Orfeo (most monumental opera ever; apart from Ring maybe) >Lamento (L'Arriana) >Vespers >Morale et Spirituale >Madrigals if you're into that sort of stuff
Camden Adams
>DAE le lolsomysterious renaissance polyPhony? >DAE le ebin unknown buhroke composers peatzold and zeelinka??? >DAE le soulless fugue autism meister blach??? >DAE le ebin ogre baydn clock rpg theme???? >DAE le underrated literal ass licker mofart???? >DAE le 2edgy4me angry manlet incel mutt shithooven????? >DAE le fat emo manlet incel shoeburp???? >DAE le ebin nadzi opera man wanker????? >DAE le 2deep4u esoteric larper incel screeuhbim???? >DAE le atonal autism weeburrn le textures????? r/classical
Noah Rogers
Can I get a quick rundown on those cluster chord dweebs like cowell, ives etc.. Are they meme? Are they legit? Are they just ok?
Blake Walker
quints of truth
Liam Cooper
How is l'Orfeo the most monumental opera ever
David Fisher
The Vespers L'Orfeo Madrigals Book 8
Here's the "Lamento della Ninfa" from the Madrigals Book 8
Same reason the eroica is the most monumental symphony ever: it pioneered a genre of music. L'Orfeo was the precursor to every opera we love. It was an excellent opera too. These two things combined should do it.
>Morale et Spirituale Some pieces from this are famous like the stile antico Mass, but i think the whole collection its really obscure and underrated compared to the Vespers or The Madrigals, maybe its because of how large it is The whole thing is like 4 CDs This one is my fav Recording
>Same reason the eroica is the most monumental symphony ever It is? >it pioneered a genre of music Wow what a shitty reason >It was an excellent opera too At least we agree there
Too many so here's a list Rautavaara 1 Prokofiev 2 Ginastera 1 Bartok 2 Tveitt 4 Mozart 17 Saint-Saens 5 Ravel left hand Grieg
Gesualdo's Madrigals Schnittke's Psalms of Repentance Cristóbal de Morales - Missa Benedicta est regina caelorum Palestrina - Missa Papae Marcelli Obrecht - Missa de Sancto Donatiano Hildegard von Bingen - Canticles Of Ecstasy Kassia - Hymns
>Implying buttrate matters Check on rutracker If you're looking for something purely audiophile, check out "The Power of the Orchestra," with Rene Leibowitz conducting. AP put out a release on SACD a few years back and there are rips floating around. It is very highly regarded in a lot of audiophile communities
Jace Parker
Yeah that recording is very much its own thing. My favorite version of book 6 is by La Compagnia del Madrigale
Who is a famous pianist who is not afraid to hit the bass notes?
Jonathan Gomez
Sofronitsky and Horowitz.
Tyler Adams
I have a Kawai upright that I got 20 years ago (never really got good at piano, I'm ashamed of myself), but if I were making a choice today, I'd go for a Kawai digital piano, CA78 or CA98. The first time I played a grand, I immediately realized a lot of difficulty I had was with the action of the upright being an obstacle. Since most people don't have the money or space for a grand, these digitals seem like the best of both worlds. Yamaha also makes digitals, but pianists I've talked to say the Kawai is much closer to a grand feel.
If it's truly your passion, you get whatever job you can to pay for it.
3000€ means fuck all in the course of a lifetime. You'll waste a lot more on your worthless family. Learning how to play music is an investment in endless joy.
ENDLESS JOY, GET IT MOTHERFUCKER?!!?
Blake Myers
How do I into music theory
Camden Cook
Read a fucking book.
Brayden Sanchez
Thanks!
Tyler Rivera
>never really got good at piano, I'm ashamed of myself What was the best and/or hardest piece you've mastered or attempted?
>"Through Mme. Viardot {pianist, singer, one of Chopin's closest associates during the last decade of his life} [...] I learned the true secret of tempo rubato [...where] the accompaniment holds its rhythm undisturbed while the melody wavers capriciously, rushes or lingers, sooner or later to fall back upon its axis. This way of playing is very difficult since it requires complete independence of the two hands; and those lacking this give themselves and others the illusion of it by playing the melody in time and dislocating the accompaniment so that it falls beside the beat; or else - worst of all - content themselves with simply playing one hand after the other. It would be a hundred times better just to play in time, with both hands together."
>Are they meme? For today: yes For their time: no >Are they legit? What the fuck do you mean? What is legit and what is not on classical music? >Are they just ok? Depends of your tastes
Christopher Jackson
im looking for modern classical stuff like poulenc. any recs?
Bentley Johnson
Are there introductory charts? Currenly liking Rienzi a lot and want more stuff like it. But wouldn't mind a 'History of British Classical, history of weimar classical' etc
Probably Chopin Nocturne no.20. My excuse is I was primarily a violinist and really focused on that to an exclusive degree. Ultimately I played pretty much everything in the repertoire, but I got stagnant, depressed and burned out. Looking back now, it's obvious I should've had a more well rounded musical life, I barely even listened to non-violin music. But I was the only one in my family who was musically inclined and didn't have much of a guide.
However, nice thing about piano is you really can start any time and get somewhat proficient. Whereas I've never heard an adult beginner violinist who wasn't miserable.
Leo Rogers
Since Arvo Pärt is a beginner baby stuff what should I listen to, to ascend? I just want some music that is really deeply emotional.
Austin Jackson
>implying wagner wasn't a self-hating jew >implying he wasn't just being sour grapes about mendelssohn rightfully seeing nothing musical in him
Luke Gonzalez
what is the best mofart piece
Owen White
Kegelstatt trio
Blake King
Reminer that no recording correctly performs Lamentation's enharmonic passage. youtu.be/-tyIvhv1hc0?t=576
So overrated. Even Raut himself dismissed it as a very crude work in concept, with many passages designed more to accommodate his mediocre playing than create the diapason the listener experiences.
Ironically Wagner was the degenerating influence on music. Any Jewish composers up to that point had been the standard bearers of tradition and refinement.
That's a common misconception and a particularly stupid one at that.
Grayson Jenkins
Hm I don't think I really care lad. It's a good sounding work to me and unique in harmony. I don't think it's an easy concerto by any means either. The first and third movements are pretty hard. If anything, the Gift of Dreams is the "easier" concerto.
I've been shilling Tveitt for a while here. Where did you hear of him?
Every composer knew music theory in the shape of analysing and playing works of their predecessors, eat shit.
Joshua Russell
>If anything, the Gift of Dreams is the "easier" concerto.
I'm saying that's irrelevant. The Gift of Dreams is at least not compromised by such performance considerations. It exists more purely as a piece of music. And honestly I don't know how it cannot be considered the culmination of his Piano Concerto writing.
Eli Powell
Sorry user but I only have computer access at the library now, so I usually just collect some apu pics to append to my posts. Nothing else comes to mind, unless its a very specific infographic or something.
>The Gift of Dreams is at least not compromised by such performance considerations That concerto was commissioned by Vladimir Ashkenazy who wanted to Conduct the Orchestra and Play the piano at the same time so its also a piece with alot of Restrictions even more than the First piano concerto
Matthew Morgan
I don't agree with you personally but perhaps you're right. I don't play piano well so I can't vouch for anything related to the difficulty or performance in good stature but it sounds pretty technical to me. The sheets look pretty challenging as is. I really can't imagine certain passages being any different; but perhaps I'm biased because it's a favourite of mine and a huge influence to my own music. At least we can all agree that Rautavaara is a great composer
I really enjoy Piano Concerto 1 as well but I'm at the level where I find a lot of the time I am forced, in good conscience, to distinguish my favorites from "the best".
Joyce Barker was basically a footnote in soprano history as well, not even a 1/10th of the fame that Jones had.
Michael Myers
Well many great singers never reach popularity while stuff like DFD gets pushed everywhere. Like my boy Bernd Aldenhoff the best Wagnerian tenor of all times. youtube.com/watch?v=b3gC-cfP3J0
There's this CD "Rattle conducts Szymanowski" in a record store i know Is Rattle good for Szymanowski? I'm thinking of buying it tomorrow, its cheap
Blake Collins
>Rattle
Joseph Evans
Simon Rattle? He's pretty decent. I actually really like his Krol Roger and Violin Concerto 1 with Janine Jansen. Can't say I know any of his other Szymanowski though
Liam Sullivan
It’s called a sonata, but are any of its movements actually in sonata FORM? Or did this precede sonata form? What precisely makes it a “sonata”?
I can’t get Handel out of my head. His organ concertos are addictively catchy and, for me, bridge such a crucial gap from baroque to classical. Do any anons have some composers/works in mind to broaden my scope? >InB4 Bach, Vivaldi
Name me any piano composition from that time or before that were similar to those three works, also the explicit use of Major 7ths as an actual chord rather than passing tone was harmonically innovative for that time
Andrew Hernandez
DFD at least has a clean sound, unlike these sopranos with saturated frilly voices
>the explicit use of Major 7ths as an actual chord rather than passing tone was harmonically innovative for that time Further proof the Eroica is underrated. beethovenseroica.com/Pg3_anal/1mov/1m29.htm
William Stewart
he's good for modern stuff, mediocre for the rest
Wyatt Price
I am a big fan of Metallica, green day, and the food fighters.
Having said that, I absolutely LOVE this piece!
Isaac Harris
Based Besthoven
Jordan Kelly
Foo fighters* sorry, fucking autocorrect
Ayden Howard
Wow that is truly awful
Really makes me wonder how people like this get famous
Nathan Foster
she either sang good or bad, nothing in between. Singing Venus and Elisabeth in the same production was pretty impressive, but then you have her ruining Mahler. youtube.com/watch?v=szme57mUfUk
Jordan Sanders
Mahler sucks cock.
Logan James
>composer did not have a perfectly normal long life >DUDE HE MUST HAVE HAD SYPHILIS
This, and every time someone comes out with such a claim they portray it as so revolutionary and as if it's supposed to be relieving. "Oh yeah Schumann wasn't actually depressed or melancholic or bipolar, it was only syphilis that made him think wrong and different, he was otherwise a completely well-adjusted cumbrained normalfag like you so he's perfectly alright for you to listen to, happy happy joy joy no bad thought only disease give bad thought he no have bad thought he must have disease" This is all it takes to be a filthy rich tenured researcher in this accursed age.
Luis Parker
You do realise people could have been crazy nonetheless i.e. prone to madness and that syphilis just accelerated that process simultaneously?
it's not just madness, they claim it for everything from beethoven going deaf to mozart's and chopin's early death, even though there are other known causes for them
Noah Reyes
I'm reading the text and I still cannot pick up a single word. Sopranos are a shit meme
