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>Ke$ha
>forty classical music albums
FUCK OFF

there's a lot of based albums on there honestly

It's bourgeoisie shit and you've been fed a line.

>lol i haet ke-money-ha sooooo much she has no taelnt drunk slut contribed and pertentzious liek this f u wer bron in teh worng generation m i partician yet??!?!??!?!?!!!!?!
Grow the fuck up.

Animal is one of the best pop albums in recent memory and her persona (satirizing a nihilistic youth culture by taking it to its logical extreme) was a breath of fresh air in a world of vapid, empty Lady Gaga symbolism.

One time I was listening to Irrlicht by Klaus Schulze and my ex-girlfriend was in the room, and we ended up having sex but neither of us turned the music off so for 40 min or so we had sex to German drone music.

And another good music-dissonance story is I was having sex with my current girlfriend after I'd put in Kesha. She noticed I was fucking her in time to the music and told me to get off her, but I just laughed and started mouthing the words and kept going until she came.

I guess that was sort of rape but it was too funny to not do it.

Well nobody seriously compares popular music to classical. So if an album like ITCOTCK is a 10, it's a 10 in regard to popular music, not all music ever created.

I thought that was the default way of thinking, no need to explain.

>woah dude, it's like ironic and nihilistic
Okay, kid.

She scored a 1500 on her SAT and cites influences as diverse as:
>"MIA, Beck, Rolling Stones, Devo, Flock of Seagulls, kraftwork, Daniel Johnson, talking Heads, David Bowie, Donovan, Bob Dylan, Janis Joplin, Janet and Sir Michael Jackson, Avenue A, The Go! Team, Mika, Sonic Youth, Elton John, Willlie Nelson, Gwen Stefani, Madonna, Beastie Boys, Eagles of Death Metal, Black Keys, Black Eyed Peas, Daft Punk, Electric 6, Teenager, Tonite Only, Prince,Mirwais, Afrika Bambaata, Peaches, Rock&Roll, Richard X, Cornelius, ESG,6ths, ackron family, al green, andrew bird, anthrax, aphex twin, aphid ant constructions, arcade fire, archers of loaf, ataxia, badfinger, the bang up, beck, belle &; sebastian, ben lee, beulah, big star, black flag, the blow, boards of canada, bob dylan, brian eno, brian wilson, bright eyes, built to spill, butthole surfers, the cardigans, the carpenters, casiotone for the painfully alone, the clash, the clutters, daft punk, the damned, the dandy warhols, david bowie, the dead milkmen, devandra banhart, donovan, dresden dolls, the eels, elvis costello, eric's trip, the fall, the features, fischerspooner, frank black, frank sinatra, franz ferdinand, futurheads, gary glitter, generation x, ghostface killah, gogol bordello, gorillaz, guided by voices, her space holiday, how i became the bomb, human television, iggy pop, islands, jackson 5, jawbreaker, jenny lewis, jim o'rourke, joan jett, joe jack talcum, john frusciante,

I don't care.

Lmao
Is this a new "Merzbow, Boredoms" pasta

>johnny thunders, the killers, kimya dawson, the kinks, kraftwerk, LCD soundsystem, le tigre, the lemonheads, leonard cohen, little ones, lou barlow, love, the lovely feathers, marshal crenshaw, matisyahu, matmos, miles davis, minor threat, modest mouse, mos def, mott the hoople, the mountain goats, moving units, my darling YOU!, neil diamond, neil young, neko case, neutral milk hotel, neva dinova, nico, of montreal, oh no! oh my!, optiganally yours, ornamental wigwam, otis redding, the pastels, peaches, pere ubu, peter bjorn and john, pink spiders, pixies, pj harvey, postal service, public enemy, pulp, queen, r.e.m., r.l. burnside, radiohead, the raincoats, rancid, the rapture, the rascals, ratatat, the ravonettes, regina spektor, replacements, roky erickson, rolling stones, ryan adams, screeching weasel, the shins, the small faces, the smiths, smoking popes, sparklehorse, spinto band, squarepusher, stellastarr*, stiff little fingers, the stranglers, the streets, the streets, the strokes, surfjan stevens, the sundays, sun ra, t rex, ted leo and the pharmacists, television, tilly and the wall, they might be giants, tom jones, tracy + the plastics, troubled hubble, tv on the radio, U2, the unicorns, the vaselines, the velvet underground, the ventures, verde, violent femmes, the walkmen, wilco, wire, X, yeah yeah yeahs, yo la tengo, the zebras, the zombies"
Having made you aware of her clearly erudite taste in pop music and intelligence, if you don't think she has infiltrated and satirized pop culture, I don't know how to get you to dig your head out of the sand.

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They're KE$ha's musical favourites as listed on her myspace before she became famous.

I've heard her music. Just because she has these artists listed on her last.fm, doesn't mean her music displays any of their influence. Anyways, I'm not going to waste any more of my time talking about this dumb ho. I'm just gonna laugh at your dumb ass.

>doesn't mean her music displays any of their influence
You're not wrong. It does let you know that there's more going on in her head than Katy Perry though. I can't make you go listen to her music with that in mind of course. There's no helping a lack of intellectual curiosity once it has taken hold of someone.

Lil Pump is better

Albums like Uncle Meat, Faust, Tago Mago etc are better than 90% of classical music
In fact the classical/popular divide is extremely arbitrary and a fairly recent invention

Oh damn now I miss half these people

Can anyone actually lost these albums, or give me the proper search terms to look through the arcives. “CLT” is pretty vague.
>inb4 newfag

It's nearly as old as popular music is. Bernstein does a great job describing how the early classical/jazz world coexisted in separate but mutually interested streams in his Young People Concert on jazz.
youtube.com/watch?v=aOLejUiiVUg

The likes of Gershwin and Ellington have been interested in mixing the two since those early days. However that doesn't change the prevailing trend that the two have always been clearly distinct traditions with clearly distinct musical goals since inception.

To keep elaborating on the differences that make serious music simply better and of a higher intellectual stature, consider the mediums in which serious music is disseminated. Staff paper, notations. Purposely so, it validates and reassures a lot of what patrician music stands for. Accesibility for anyone to perform and record. Benefits deep intellectual analysis of every bar of music, no bullshit allowed, all is there in the staff paper. The emphasis is on the actual music, not in how it's recorded or performed.

In short, again serious music displays a level of maturity and intellectualism that popular muzak can only dream of achieving..

How does one go about cultivating musical taste? I’ve done it for art and literature, but music seems to be full of so many cultural pitfalls.

Listen to Jazz.

>omg didnt u get da m£mo Kesha is a GENIUS pop is VITAl

Start by listening to music seriously. Making an effort to give it your full attention is a good place to start that doesn't require learning theory or how to play an instrument (though to be clear that is the most effective way to become more discerning about music). Reading and listening to people with expertise helps too of course. Leonard isn't a bad one to go to. His lectures on music are very accessible but interesting.
youtube.com/watch?v=8fHi36dvTdE

Then the easy part is finding resources for new music. Record labels, websites, books, etc.
This is also fine in moderation but art music should always come first.

I was blown away by this until I realised I was getting Kesha mixed up with Kelis

I cba typing out the full list but the ones without legible text on the album cover (that i recognise) are
Birdsongs of the Mesozoic - Magnetic Flip (left of Luiz Bonfa)
The Books - The Lemon of Pink (right of Bonfa)
Cluster - 71 (right of Chrome)
Gesualdo - Tenebrae (right of Cul de Sac)
Andrew Hill - Change (right of Handel)
Something by Orlando de Lassus (right of Kesha)
Modern Jazz Quartet - Dedicated to Connie
Grachan Moncur III - Some Other Stuff
Andrew Braxton & Woody Shaw - Iron Men (left of Silver Apples)
La Monte Young - Well Tuned Piano (left of Zappa)
Amon Duul II - Phallus Dei left of JC Bach
Beach Boys Surf's Up left of Bix&Tram
Butthole Surfers Psychic Powerless left of Can
Deerhoof Apple O
Fifty Foot Hose Cauldron
Jefferson Airplane ABAB
Kossoy Sisters Bowling Green
Labradford s/t
Nektar Journey to the Centre of the Eye
Oregon Music From another present era
pearls before swine balaklava
pil flowers of romance
residents not available
sam rivers streams
Wayne shortet all seeing eye
swell maps jane from occupied erlurpe
tanga dream alpha cebtaurd
ui lifelike
yonga tonga everything upside down or whatever

sorry i got progerisvely lazier and more drunk as i was typing that

you must be mental if you unironically brags about your music taste

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>This is why they loudly proclaim how their virginal taste is unsullied by any reviewer's opinion, yet memorize each of those opinions to cite in endless "drone" accusations.

you're a douchebag, but you could not be more correct here.

i remember looking at these albums when I was 16 and new on Yea Forums thinking how obscure and intellectual they were

now I know its just a guy trying to seem deep and alot of those albums are just contrarian picks from better more well known albums

the lengths you guys would go to try to justify that the quality of art lies beyond perception
I honestly missed you autists though, the board is worse without you

I stopped reading after a few sentences.

based rapist

>2nd tier classics
>Kesha

Ok then friend

I like progressive rock, artistic rock, soft rock
It's simple and comfy

>How does one go about cultivating musical taste?
listen to music you like and are interested in
>cultural pitfalls
who cares? you are not going to turn into a satanic hood rapist because you liked a few memphis rap albums

stop being a literal poseur

These are the last songs I added on spotify, been listening them a lot in the past week, rate my taste

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>rate my taste
You mean your plebby Mom and Dad's taste? It's plebby.

not my fault if there is nothing that sounds better to the ears

>City of Glass
Amazing album, although is far from being Kenton's best. New Concepts of Artistry in Rhythm, Innovations in Modern Music, Sketches on Standards, Milestones, Encores and Artistry in Rhythm are all better.

fpbp

Posterity bump. So that all the plebs get to see this thread.

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oh yes, when everyone ridiculed CLT for spamming his 50 top pop/rock list he started to pretend he is and always was just a classical fan

>cue CLT vs Hampus classical argument era

Isn’t compiling any music into a core set of albums inherently plebian as you’re trying to show off your taste.

CLT was right

Yeah that was one of CLTs arguments

>A plebeian is the exact opposite of a patrician. While the musical preferences among individual plebs vary as widely as music itself, all are easily identified by obvious tendencies and behaviors stemming from inner conflict between the compulsion to maintain a self-image of being "really into music" and a stubborn refusal to act accordingly. The pleb is threatened by critical discussion, openly hostile toward anyone who presumes an authoritative position no matter how legitimately, and rankles at any suggestion that he look inward to inspect his own biases or assumptions about music, or even that he has any biases in the first place.

What plebeians believe to be a keen interest in music is in reality an obsession with "taste". This is why they can entertain themselves for hours examining scrobble counts on last.fm, maintaining contrived parabolas of their RYM star ratings, or meticulously assembling a Top 50 chart which displays their grocery-list "eclecticism", but won't read a music text. This is why they loudly proclaim how their virginal taste is unsullied by any reviewer's opinion, yet memorize each of those opinions to cite in endless "drone" accusations. It is why they will evade addressing specific musical assertions at any cost, shifting the topic to popularity, fan image, or imaginary concepts such as "entry-level" or "fedoracore", all of which are better suited to their interests and expertise.

>Plebeians on Yea Forums should be converted if it is possible and driven away if it is not. They cannot be permitted to exist unchecked or they multiply exponentially, legitimizing worse and worse behaviors among one another until music discussion is all but impossible.

>tfw no more patrician council to scare off the hair metal boomers

Yes. The CLT charts were ostensibly made to educate and prove credentials in arguments with plebs though.

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No seriously. Read both posts again.
Making charts to make finding good music more accessible is entirely consistent with thinking people who make charts to show off their pseudointellectual-core taste is vain and plebby.

CLT himself said he made the thing to showcase music he liked / get stoned too

>What plebeians believe to be a keen interest in music is in reality an obsession with "taste". This is why they can entertain themselves for hours examining scrobble counts on last.fm, maintaining contrived parabolas of their RYM star ratings, or meticulously assembling a Top 50 chart which displays their grocery-list "eclecticism"

I never saw him say that. The likes of are very explicit about the intended purpose though.