Mozart is trash. When I found out his music was composed by a child I wasn't even surprised, it lacks any semblance of emotive maturity
Jordan Gray
Reposting from the last thread:
This is gonna be kinda a normie ass question, but I'm taking AP Music Theory right now as a senior and while I'm into Jazz, we are going over the common practice. The only 'classical' composers I've listened to have been Beethoven and Mozart, and while I do enjoy Romantic composers a lot (Chopin, Liszt) but I don't know a whole lot about Baroque and Classical. What should I start with in order to broaden my knowledge. For reference, we recently went over a Dvorak piece and a Chopin piece in class, but my professor says we will being mostly covering the Classical period and end at around the death of Beethoven.
Ah finally a proper Mozart thread youtube.com/watch?v=eVrIP-maNuI youtube.com/watch?v=c7mjvbci0OM (favorite performance of the 11th sonata's first mov. Though I think Gulda takes the famous last rondo much too fast.) Also would anyone here happen to have a version of pic related without text?
Beethoven, Scriabin, Rachmaninov and the Liszt goes on
James Brooks
Unironically listen to more Mozart. For Baroque: Bach's keyboard works, Vivaldi's concertos, Handel's oratorios, Rameau's keyboard works. For Classical: Mozart's Piano Concertos, Schubert's Symphonies, Beethoven's 1 & 2 symphonies.
Connor Lewis
post your hand
Ayden Martin
Where the fuck are Mozart's string works you magnanimous pleb
Leo Price
Pollini or Rubinstein?
Isaac Brown
I fucking hate anything after 1809 so much fuck
Jeremiah Brown
What is the black metal of classical?
Dominic Morales
>Baroque Monteverdi operas, Scarlatti's keyboard sonatas, Bach (stuff from the WTC), Vivaldi concerti, Handel oratorios, Lully operas >Classical mozzart (underrated) basically anything from his mature period but piano concerti and string quartets are a good start, Gluck operas, Haydn symphonies, Bach's sons (CPE mostly but JC is fine too (fuck off CLT).)
Ian Robinson
Shostakovich As in he is both edgy and negative and also musical trash
Eli Parker
why is common practice harmony so boring
Thomas Robinson
>muh harmony
Jeremiah Murphy
>Monteverdi operas The Madrigals and the Vespers are much better
Hunter Mitchell
either based retard or based gregorian chant listener
Ian Ross
You mean like, regular harmony under the established keys? It's not boring it's just harmony. Everything else is chromatic/atonal etc. and done around it exactly so it doesn't sound boring. Harmony is harmony, there aren't multiple types of it, only multiple ways to play with harmony. Are you implying that the way harmony was treated during the common practice period is boring? Because you're wrong
Adrian Reyes
Bach is a must. You can listen to Bach your whole life and always find something new. I honestly don't listen to a lot of Baroque beyond Bach but Bach is a composer I always go back to. Vivaldi and Handel are other big Baroque composers but I don't go out of my way to listen to them.
As far as Romantic and post-Romantic composers, I like Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Scriabin, Debussy, Ravel, Wagner, Schumann, Faure. I think "classical music" was at its prolific peak during the Romantic period so you can study these composers for years.
Chase Carter
Bach is shit.
Parker Wilson
>I think "classical music" was at its prolific peak during the Romantic period so you can study these composers for years. Literally only Wagner was good lol
Tyler Campbell
Don't listen to this guy. Bach is absolute dogshit. Literally anything is better than Bach.
Christopher Rogers
bros... bach actually might be shit
Samuel Watson
>bach actually might be shit Yep.
Cooper Cooper
>/classical/ thinks this is the hand of a fat person
What are some good pieces that have melodrama similar to the finale of Mahler's second? First listened over a month ago and I've been nearly obsessed with it ever since
Wow we've had more than one reply a minute so far /classical/'s really active
Jackson Perez
oops sorry guys i just wanted to post the bach is shit meme too because i thought it was funny it always makes me laugh because it's ridiculous i love bach and it's probably the only thing that if you don't like i might think you're retarded i won't do it again
Josiah Carter
All the normies are here seeing Mozart
Xavier Bennett
No, i dont want to have 2 images of my hand in one thread :)
On the Baroque to Classical side I would add Henry Purcell. Anything really, but especially his Dido and Aeneas. And the motets of Mondonville.
Aside from these yes, the classics, Bach's keyboard works - the well tempered klavier as well as his english suites, goldberg variations, then eventually his art of the fugue.
Beethoven's nine symphonies, five piano concerti, and 32 piano sonatas, as well as his late string quartets, particularly op 132.
Schubert's lieder and then his last 3 piano sonatas.
On the earlier side of things you should check out Jordi Savall's reconstruction of renaissance chamber music, super worthwhile. And go back before that and listen to some gregorian chant, look up for example Hermann of Reichenau.
Lincoln Thomas
Reminder that recommending Bach to newcomers is the best way to make them hate classical music.
1952 for based Lorenz, and the Neuhold and Swarowsky ones particularly because I like the characterizations (save for Neuhold's Siegfried which is only okay)
Why has no one made a machine learning algorithm for discovering similar compositions based on stuff like harmony or common melodic figures? I don't know much about programming, but I know that machine learning can be used to classify stuff based on some criteria, I think this could work.
Jackson Price
How come people can't compose any great classical music anymore?
All the symphonies now are experimental new age crap. Why can't they just write good sounding symphonies like Mozart and Beethoven that people would like to hear?
Even I can hear cool symphonies in my head if I focus hard or I'm tripping out. I just lack the motivation to write it down.
There must be someone else with musical ability that can hear amazing symphonies in their head and can transpose it onto paper. Why does everyone with a music education now days compose awful modern shit that sounds like autism?
Nathaniel Rogers
I like Brahms desu.
Charles Bennett
I can
Camden Martinez
Classical music died with Prokofiev.
John Wright
Classical music died with Wagner
Jayden Johnson
prokofiev is based but this is wrong
Logan Phillips
Not bad choices. In particular I think the Neuhold has one of the best chorus' on record. 1952 Keilberth is pretty much as good as it gets insofar as the cast is concerned. Well, unless you want to make huge sacrifices in sound quality and listen to some older MET and Buenos Aires recordings (oh god) Ludwig Weber's most vicious performance of Hagen Unfortunately also really badly played in some parts and too slow for me
James Jackson
When I said Neuhold's Siegfried was only okay I meant Swarowsky's by way. I quite like Neuhold's Siegfried, he's a fine actor and I love his singing of the Mime hieß ein mürrischer Zwerg and Siegfried's death aria, but the Hagen is weak. It's Swarowsky's Siegfried that I think is only okay
Grayson Hernandez
hungarian rhapsody is so playful
Mason Stewart
>but the Hagen is weak My biggest problem with it too. A neutered Hagen just feels bad, man
James Morris
why do microtones sound so fucking retarded on piano. they sound good on orchestral strings, harpsichords and lutes/guitars but the second i hear one on piano it has a totally different timbre from the regular notes
James Jackson
Okay now that I edited Norrington's Don Giovanni to have my ideal recording like a Chad I'll do it to Östman's Zauberflöte and include the missing dialogue because the only recording with the complete dialogue is Jacobs' and it fucking sucks
>How come people can't compose any great classical music anymore? You haven't heard the good stuff and it hasn't been filtered out by time and history. >All the symphonies now are experimental new age crap. >symphonies >2019 Well no shit they sound like new age. >Why can't they just write good sounding symphonies like Mozart and Beethoven that people would like to hear? Because it isn't the fucking common practice era again, deal with it. >Even I can hear cool symphonies in my head if I focus hard or I'm tripping out. I just lack the motivation to write it down. I assure you it is garbage that you are hearing. I've tried writing down my "good symphonies" and they're garbage. >Why does everyone with a music education now days compose awful modern shit that sounds like autism? >MUH MODERN BAD Thanks for your r*ddit post, you can leave this thread now.
Adam Neely doesn't even listen to classical music, fuck off clueless r*dditfag.
Luis Garcia
Nothing I just like to make fun of English composers.
Jacob Baker
regressive late romantic
Isaiah Edwards
This is partly incorrect though. He wasn't regressive in the context of his home nation which didn't exactly have an individual musical personality or tradition. He did however borrow heavily from modes, folk music etc.
Subjective and truly genius aren't mutually exclusive in this case. And yes, you should invest time into understanding the classical arts and arts of great quality.
Notice how people still talk about Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, etc?
And nobody gives a shit or can even name any composers from the 21st century or even most of the 20th century?
The "classical music" written now is objectively bad. No one listens to it for a reason. We still listen to composers from hundreds of years ago instead. Because they are objectively better.
>I assure you the stuff in your head is garbage
I'm not claiming to be Mozart. But I'm pretty sure people would rather hear the stuff in my head than Philip Glass. And I'm pretty sure there are lots of other people out there that could do better as well.
Jeremiah Martinez
>And nobody gives a shit or can even name any composers from the 21st century Because this century has literally just begun, you fucking retard. >or even most of the 20th century? Most of the composers from the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th century are so obscure and irrelevant that even their fucking names aren't remember, you fucking retard. Literally only a handful of composers are still talked about and even nobody can know if they were truly the best at what they did. You really can't grasp how time works, huh? >objectively bad Ultrabrainlet, prove it if it's so objective then. Only a non-musician, non-music fan and theoryless brainlet would say such a thing. You're a fucking brainlet r*dditfag, now fuck off already because I'm done with your nonsense.
Ryan Roberts
>Philip Glass lol RYM trannycore composer that is most likely one of the only ones you've listened to from the previous century, leave this general because you've got a lot of listening and learning to do
Connor Garcia
t. retard
Thomas Hernandez
>act like a complete ass >get called out >ur a retard lol!!1 Okay I realise now that you are either genuinely stupid as shit, Mr. Dunning-Kruger, or you are baiting. Either way, suck my shit.
Mozart underrating is a clear sign of a lack of musical knowledge and contextualisation.
Leo Wilson
Replying to the user from the previous thread I'd say Fritz Reiner has made some of the best Strauss recordings ever and every time I've listened to Karajan it just felt too forced, trying to make it sound like it's a neurotic ultra-romantic Mahler piece, when in reality I like a more controlled interpretation that fits with Strauss' personal philosophy and outlook on life. I feel like every time I listen to a work conducted by Karajan I just hear more of Karajan's ego than of the works' own composer. And what I've heard of Georg Solti is also decent.
Jeremiah Smith
So in conclusion: I'd always recommend Reiner for any Strauss piece, even if it's a shitty hissy old recording.
Ian Moore
>Why can't they just write good sounding symphonies like Mozart and Beethoven that people would like to hear? Because they've been written already.
Jayden Martinez
You sound suspiciously like Hans if he didn't read a book in his life.
I'm a pleb when it comes to classical but I love the first part of Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde can I get some recs for similarily intense pieces with vocals?
Not Hesse but Thomas Mann. His Doctor Faustus is the only great work of classic lit that extensively discusses music theory as far as I can tell. EM Forster also mentions a lot of music in his books but he does it more like Proust and in a thoroughly annoying English way for lack of a better term. As always stick with the Germans
If you are putting effort into your shitposts then you are doing it wrong. But seriously, I can love every and any instrument, but a violin or an acoustic guitar.
William Sanchez
>If you are putting effort into your shitposts then you are doing it wrong. newfag cancer mentality
Sebastian Sullivan
>If you are putting effort into your shitposts then you are doing it wrong fuck this notion shitposting is an art and can be funny and creative fuck endlessly posting soiak pictures
Thanks, didn't know it was about a composer I'm interested now
Robert King
>And nobody gives a shit or can even name any composers from the 21st century or even most of the 20th century? Contemporary Classical its too Academic centric, Thomas Adès is like superstar if you're a music student or classical musician, his music is performed all over the world every month But the normal classical listener doesn't know about him because as i said the contemporary classical world its too Academic centric and very small as it always has been Also TEXTURES youtu.be/CVG5R6sIobo
AP user here, wanted to do my end-of-course essay on the Arabesques. Professor said that the piece would be too modern to analyze.
Josiah Martinez
worse hand posted in this thread
Sebastian Jenkins
incredibly difficult for me as well as this was the first piece ive ever learned but once it 'clicked' and i played it through the first time it was one of the most fulfilling experiences ive ever had.
Thomas Gray
what horse shit. If anything they were progressive and pushed the envelope during that period
Ian Anderson
can you make it as a piano player if you have small hands?
Isaiah Diaz
yes you can. The hand pic i posted above is me. I have huge hands which helps me in some regards but hinders me in others i feel like
>Beethoven S+ Beethoven's A tier save for the quartets which are S
Ryder Hughes
Yes that's what I meant
Thomas Parker
what in flying fuck
Juan Mitchell
cringe retard
Robert Ross
oof
Angel Gray
>calls Weber "von Weber" yikes, into the trash it goes
Josiah Bell
How many years does it take to be able to play La Campanella properly? I can play Minuet in G right now so its a long way away but I would still like to know.
Isaiah Baker
La Campanella is easy. Just press the keys in the right order.
Interesting that while piano players have an IQ about 10 points higher than the average population (around the same as doctors) this thread is still as retarded as the rest of Yea Forums.
Just copy his harmony and change some notes around lmao
Juan Reyes
You would get much more out of seriously studying Mozart and Haydn than anything else. Though you might want to at least get a rough overview of stylistic predecessors like D. Scarlatti, Alberti, Gluck and the brothers Bach.
Zachary Watson
It is absolutely not, you're probably mistaking chord quality for harmonic complexity.
Hudson Clark
True, unless speaking of Carl Philipp Emanuel or Johann Christian.
Julian Gomez
>people are replying to prove that low effort doesn't get replies not what's happening, rather, anons are opposing your point that low effort shitposting should be encouraged
Levi Johnson
im partial to pdq myself
Aaron Ward
imitate chopin for 5 years while studying harmony then take some psychedlics and become a narcissist
Kayden Brown
It's actually because you are a quite literal pleb, and thus have no insight into the decisively non-commercial and elitist world of art music.
Benjamin Ramirez
Absolutely true, baroque and romantic music are for autismal tastelets that relish in superficiality.
How come when I listen to piano music it sounds like the performer is pedaling when there is no Ped. mark? Do they just choose when to pedal; if so how do they choose where to pedal? Lots of time's ill see a big octave in the bass (usually marked for the duration of the measure) and then a run alternating between hands and it all sounds sustained but lo and behold no pedal marking. Sometimes it seems like slurs mark when to pedal too but it's not all consistent. Pls help bros im so confused
Nolan Rogers
glen ghoul has a fat hand
Cooper Ward
It's a mix of historical performance style(s) in conjunction with personal tastes. Details like that were not really added to performance scores until recently and is for the most part a modernist phenomenon.
Adrian Cox
Maybe us and our wives could meet up and play chamber music together some time!
I made an OC meme. I was gonna make a shitty thread to share it, but posting it here instead makes more sense.
This is one of my favorite orchestra pieces. This guy has kind of an interesting biography too if you want to read his wiki youtube.com/watch?v=Fck3yS5DAUM
