I would actually consider Strauss to be one of the few composers Karajan is decently good at.
John Price
>mfw retards refer to 20th century performers as "romantic" in the context of slow interpretations, like "Beethoven through the lens of a romantic" when discussing a performance of Beethoven with slow tempi and copious amounts of vibrato
Wtf Mozart ripped Beethoven off I can't believe this
Dylan Hill
He mixed the recordings himself, additionally he wanted the recordings sound ultra clean, so they sound really unnatural. Compare them to his early live opera recordings that are pretty decent. He was a megalomaniac who thought he perfected the sound and could colonize the world with his interpretations. It's pretty ironic that most orchestras went the other way after his death with HIP, small band instead of big band and transparent interpretations. On the positive side he wanted to burn down the entire Berlin philharmonic orchestra.
I understand if you don't want to spoon-feed me but I will be really grateful if you help me or redirect me to where I can find classical and electronic music either combined or being electronic while using the classical structure. And by that I mean actually electronic music in the sense of using synths and effects instead of just electronic piano and organs which is quite pointless in the first place. I"m sure there is, I think it was some compilation but it sounded so great, ironically it was something for Microsoft if I'm not wrong or on their store. There must be more of it.
Check out Tomita Look into 70s progressive electronic mainly There's a bunch of classical scores translated directly into synthesizers but it's aged really poorly youtube.com/watch?v=ZrHWBeTgU9g
Adam Peterson
Holy shit the Quatuor Mosaïques is so fucking good
Elijah Miller
He's "conducting" the piece i think, i mean the guy is playing a 12-tone late Webern piece from memory he's "feeling it"
how do I get into classical WITHOUT listening to classic, excessively-mentioned and recommended works like the 9th Symphony or the Four Stations? I feel like I want to save these for later.
Hunter Garcia
most of the meme works are pretty overrated and pastiche
Hudson Kelly
those works are overrated. Really most meme pieces (ones you'd expect to hear in other media) are overrated with few exceptions. Just listen to the stuff posted in these threads, its usually worth listening to.
Blake Carter
>those works are overrated exactly the type of stuff i expected to hear from Yea Forums lmao anyway, thanks for the advice
Angel Green
Proms have Mirga and Shreku to offer.
Ryder Jackson
>Satie Get out
Adam Roberts
It might be pretentious but its also true.
Isaac Carter
Start with Beethoven and work your way down.
Brayden Hill
Learn theory Learn to pay attention to harmony Learn to shit and cum simultaneously
Dont listen to them, i remember in one of these threads a schoenberg fan couldn't recognize a Beethoven String Quartet when someone hummed it in vocaroo Know your Classics before moving on in other stuff
Christopher Gomez
Lmao I remember that it was the 14th quartet wasn't it
Jonathan Jackson
Literally no Beethoven quartet is as much of a meme as those pieces he mentioned
Dominic Nelson
Beethoven is a meme
Angel Lee
How is that on the guy? Most vocaroo humming sounds like shite.
Henry Morris
Sure. While meme pieces are generally mediocre to crap (Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, In The Hall of the Mountain King etc...), the meme composers are generally the best.
Jason Richardson
Eine Kleine is fun shut up Beetfag
Julian Davis
Wagner Don't do Chopin it will taint you.
Hunter Reyes
If you listen to music for sound you're a pleb
Nathan Wilson
>tfw I skipped classical and romantic era bach and before stravinsky and after
Me a Beetfag? I was the guy who started the trend of nonbeethovian trinities. Even so Mozart's genius is insulted every time that court music is dredged up from the bottom of his creative cask for a performance.
Nathaniel Miller
>Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, In The Hall of the Mountain King well, nowadays those (and others) are literally meme pieces thanks to hollywood. it's not like people consider them as masterpieces
Lucas Powell
It's the catchiest melody ever that alone gives it merit
Dude I'm the only guy here that unironically listens to sorabji. I said K.525 was fun and catchy are you gonna try to tell me it isn't Also anyone that uses terms like "poptimist" or "rockist" is retarded
I'm just going to say the disciplines of "fun" and "catchy" should be altogether considered beneath /classical/. Actually I don't even know how its "fun". Can you dance to it? Not really.
Brayden Williams
Not with that attitude
Kevin Watson
I'm willing to bet most of this general doesn't even think of any of the melodies from Eine Klein Nachtmusik.
What specific qualities are there in Spohr's music to justify this?
Hunter Thomas
not just any cock, but THICK CHEESY GERMANIC HARMONY cock
Matthew Kelly
he was a little guy people called him an elf
Brayden Turner
scriabin was an absolute chad though
Julian Thompson
How do we destroy Jazz?
Brandon Jones
microchad you wouldn't even notice Scriabin in a room
Juan Edwards
Frankly, Wagner has little to do with metal. Ideas of "endless melodies", huge orchestras and interwoven leitmotifs of romantic music are alien to metal's forms. Rhythmically compact yet dramatic material with ostentatious improvised soloing and repetitions in the bass that is close to heavy metal would be Baroque, definitely.
William Mitchell
but composers embrace jazz
Hudson Parker
Shit composers yes
Gavin Lewis
>Chad >Gets BTFO by a shaving cut
Pick one
Blake Martin
also the best ones. Stravinsky admired jazz.
Isaac Carter
*was an absolute GOD
Charles Robinson
We just have to make the world see how overly large it is
Hey, possibly tough request but a few generals ago (Maybe more than a few IDK) someone posted a link to a piece by Pierre Boulez. It had a very slow buildup from the start that was absolutely fantastic.
Since then the acc that had the video has been deleted so I've lost it, does anyone know what one it could be?
Gavin Williams
they all sound the same to me
Caleb Davis
Please
Carson Green
Yeah, I think you might have confused Pierre Boulez as the composer, instead of the conductor. Its the only reasonable explanation.
Justin Hill
Oh fuck knows I guess so, I can't remember anything else about it and I don't know my conductors or composers.
Aaron Wilson
Yeah, but I went anyway. Is there a problem?
Luke Martin
He's just jelly because you saw a live performance of one of the most versatile actors in hollywood.
What about Chopin awkwardly glissandoing into the desired key? What about KPop Seventh chords?
Jack Richardson
I don't let anything related to KPop get close to me
Anthony Price
How does one person listen to classical? I mean, I "listen" it, I can put it on the background, I prefer certain compositors or pieces, I can tell gross diferences like reinasance vs baroque, but I don't think I really know about classical music or listen to it properly
Best piano compositions? Fairly new to classical and so far I've really enjoyed solo piano stuff like Ravel, Debussy, Beethoven's Sonatas. Would be interested in hearing avant-garde works as well.
>tfw my mom made me be percussion growing up instead of playing a real instrument
I'm trying to learn the piano now, but I feel like I could have learned the Saxophone, or the trumpet, or violin or anything. I had 9 years of musical training during critical years and I can barely play anything. How do I deal with these feels bro?
if you're not having fun with music, then what's the point. keep at it, don't be afraid to try anything and everything to make it interesting. don't set expectations for yourself, just have fun. if nothing works, there's no shame in taking a step away form playing and just listening to it instead until you get inspired by some shit.
also, get out of here with that "real instrument" shit. hearing that is boring and edgy. you're a percussionist, anyone who belittles that shit ain't worth it.
Angel Edwards
Beethoven lived a sad existence.
>Drunk father who beat him for screwing up in practice >Smallpox scars adding to an already ugly face >Perpetuated a lie that he was from a noble background and was eventually exposed as being a commoner >Fell in love with women out of his league and constantly was heartbroken >Lost his hearing at a young age, the one thing he loved he could barely hear for half his life >Had a very ugly court battle for custody of his nephew, he eventually won >His nephew hated him and tried to commit suicide, eventually returning to his mother's care >Got sick and died in the literal peak of his greatness
His only compensation is his work is and probably always will be considered some of the greatest pieces of art ever created.
>you're a percussionist, anyone who belittles that shit ain't worth it.
Yeah, but I belittle it. Looking back on it, I feel like I just wasted time. Sure, I'm great at rhythm stuff, but I'm a retard when it comes to harmonics. I am having fun with the piano and learning new things, I just feel like I'm so far behind, despite putting the time and effort in, and I would have had way more fun in band if I wasn't standing around in the back waiting for my 3 measure of triangle in a song.
Kayden Bell
Is flamenco harmonically derived all from spanish classical guitar music or does it have some unique harmonic concepts of it's own?
>Emilio de’Cavalieri said, “The Prince of Venosa, who would like to do nothing but sing and play music, today forced me to visit with him and kept me for seven hours. After this, I believe I shall hear no music for two months.”
Gesualdo was the most based man to ever walk this eart
Henry Fisher
This is absolutely correct. The dude literally discovered chromatic mediants, doubly chromatic mediants, tritone cadences, the augmented major seventh chord AND the French augmented sixth chord just by fucking around on his microtonal harpsichord thing that basically had all 12 equal temperament notes in it probably so all those progressions would sound ok and not wonky for the time period.
The sixth book of madrigals may be THE single best collection of pieces I've ever come across in the entirety of Renaissance THROUGH TO THE PRESENT DAY in this type of music.
Gesualdo is God. Gesualdo is daddy. YES INDEED he was the Basedgod. Lil B is just reincarnated Gesualdo
I LITERALLY have a shirt that says "If you don't like Gesualdo, you probably won't like me... and I'm ok with that" on it.
>his microtonal harpsichord thing that basically had all 12 equal temperament notes in it This monster right? youtu.be/dFb1fECwk2o The Vicentino Keyboard
>youtu.be/dFb1fECwk2o That is correct my guy! I would LOVE to own one just for the value it has in being the first instance of creating musical ideas that would add SOOOO much to the harmonic language of Late Romantic to present day. Seriously those chords and chord progressions I mentioned are ALL over my future compositions for my operatic death metal band Spectria (Also currently perusing this thread is our new guitarist I'm in a FB call with fun fact haha) WAGNER IS DADDY DESPITE WHAT AFOREMENTIONED NEW GUITARIST WILL TELL YOU >:3c
Wrong, you definitely would. His aura was that of a prophet and if he didn't blow you away with his music, he definitely would with his philosophy and poetry. Scriabin was murdered by the Secret Intelligence Service to prevent the destruction of our pathetic human race and the birth of a world of nobler beings.
Charles Baker
Petzold
Bentley Bennett
who?
Carson Johnson
Who were the best composers for classical/flamenco guitar?
Scriabin is just an interior devil-possessed Chopin. His hubristic delusion is what brought him to his end.
>our pathetic human race Life-denying dreck. Standing against the Ahrimanic impulse does not ennoble the Luciferian.
Ian Wood
The Devil is God. >Scriabin is just an interior devil-possessed Chopin. Good. Based.
Josiah Hill
Humans are inherently evil and life on this world is a miserable and pointless struggle, you insufferable christcuck. Don't you have some children to molest, wars to wage and godless atheists to bother?
So why exactly is scriabin so special? I get that he played dissonant stuff through his own unique complex system but it doesn't sound that good
Nathaniel Morales
Life-addicts please begone
Nicholas Richardson
You're right, it sounds otherworldly and fantastic. That's what happens when you apply your own unique voice and equalised harmony and melody and apply it to classical and symmetrical principals.
somebody seems to have exposed a classical music streaming app called idagio that it pays journalists and shills in order to have a positive image in articles in big news websites and on reddit, instead they mass downvoted him and the mod locked the thread
one shouldn't be allowed to own birds desu.. pieces for this feel?
Elijah Perry
You say Handel I say Bach You say Vivaldi I say Zelenka You say Mozart I say Haydn You say Beethoven I say Weber You say Chopin I say Mendelssohn You say Paganini I say Liszt You say Wagner I say Schumann You say Bruckner I say Brahms You say Scriabin I say Strauss You say Bartok I say Enescu You say Webern I say GTFO
Brayden Clark
Bach is shit.
Nathan Barnes
looks like he caught the disease himself if you know what I mean
>His hubristic delusion is what brought him to his end.
I thought it was a shaving cut. If you mean it as a religious thing, don't you know that God rains on the just and unjust? Look how long the Rockefellers and Rothschilds live. Whatever your point was, it was dumb.
cioran was more boomer than doomer see his comments on nietzsche
Jeremiah White
if he was born today he'd probably be a school shooter. admit it.
Logan Edwards
Nobody with a natural talent for one of the true arts needs something as basic as sexual gratification. Not even social acceptance.
T. a guy who has no ability of any kind
Thomas Hall
Explain Bach to me. How can a protestant compose baroque music?
Grayson Bailey
This is gonna be kinda a normie ass question, but I'm taking AP Music Theory right now as a senior and while I'm into Jazz, we are going over the common practice. The only 'classical' composers I've listened to have been Beethoven and Mozart, and while I do enjoy romantic composers a lot (Chopin, Liszt, Debussy, (Satie?)) but I don't know a whole lot about Baroque and Classical. What should I start with in order to broaden my knowledge. For reference, we recently went over a Dvorak piece and a Chopin piece in class, but my professor says we will being mostly covering the Classical period and end at around the death of Beethoven.
WHY IS SATIE SO FUCKING POPULAR JESUS HES THE BIGGEST HACK TO EVER PUBLISH ANY CLASSICAL PIECE JESUS HE WAS EVEN KICKED OUT OF CONSERVATORY FJKLSDMFSDFNKLSD SATI E IS NOT GOOD
Bro I just like when the piano makes the sound good noises.
Dominic Long
He's not the biggest hack and he was actually a pretty based dude and died in relative obscurity. If you want real disgusting hackery look at Cage or Glass who have been respected in their own time.
I haven't listened to Satie yet but /classical/ said Bach is good when he's actually shit. I'm just going to assume Satie is good until further notice.
Aiden Morgan
What is the point of getting formal music education if you'll never make money out off it?
Satie is actually pretty well known for being super fucking eccentric. Having made stuff like Vexations and a precursor to ambient with things like Furniture Music.
>tfw you will never hear an early Baroque musician improvising some Phrygian progressions in the descending bass line of the Lamento della Ninfa basso continuo
glen how have you evolved to based just by strictly posting baroque and before?
Ian Morris
No one that is fat and posts cute anime girl images is based
Joshua Howard
>Fat I posted my hand already in /classical/ and it was not a fat hand sir
Logan Baker
I will ask this question every thread till I find an answer >WHO STARTED THE BACH, MOZART, AND MAHLER HATE? I know the tripfag hates Mahler, but he didn't do the first two.
