YEEEAAHH CAM ON PAKI LADS!! RAPE THOSE KIDS!! MORE IMMIGRANTS!! NOW NOW NOW! MORE MORE!! I WANT IMMIES!! GIMME GIMME...

You fags caring so much is exactly what Punk wants.

true
screaming establishment and big corp stances on politics pissing off common folk is what punk really is

>i support the agendas of multi-billion dollar corporations to bring in cheap labor they can abuse
>yeah, you could say I'm pretty punk
yikes

So what are you two doing for immigrants?

not caring about them

Based

So would you be opposed to more immigrants?

what if we abolished borders and capitalism?

what if we abolished everything
any sensible person would

>what if we abolished everything
sounds absolutely based

4 billion africans would enjoy our unlimited supply of onions chocolatte and marvel avengers films, state enforced homosexuality, somalian children learning to code in javascript.
world peace.

the fire rises

>marvel avengers films
capitalism is gone, disney's marvel's avengers is kill
>state enforced homosexuality
there is no state

i'm personally for extermination of non-whites in europe and america and landmines and guntowers on the borders

the community is the state
heterosexuality is a fascist construct and will be eradicated

>the community is the state
No.

we convert muslim fundamentalists to anarcho-lootboxism, we will make kosher-halal insect-nutritionbars for the whole world to feed on, google will save the forests.
its going to happen, reactionary.

i'm the only non-reactionary here.

>anarcho-lootboxism
kekked

Cause you're on Yea Forums dumbass

>I quite liked Brutalism when it came out. It wasn't my kind of music but I liked some of it - it was catchy. And they were nice lads, polite online and stuff. But I thought they were kind of a street band, there were lines like "Tarquin" that would insinuate that they were knocking the middle classes, but it turns out they're not working class. That offended me, because I then held the belief that they were appropriating, to a certain degree, a working class voice. Obviously that excelled when the second album came out, and I felt a bit cheated. I also became jaded by this idea that we were a band that was campaigning for social justice, when we're not, we're just talking about what's around us. Music can't solve political problems. And I think their take on it is cliched, patronising, insulting and mediocre. And that's why I have a problem with them. I take music seriously, and I've come from a place where this music has been created. Without that, we wouldn't be here. I went through a lot of pain - I understand Idles' singer has gone through a lot of pain. But I don't believe their slant on this. I don't like them at all.

Gimme more immies is actually really funny.
keep up the good work lad.

>what if we abolished everything
holy shit you done changed the game!
I’ll get the jews on the phone ASAP to start discussions

GIMMIE GIMMIE IMMIES GIMMIE SOME MORE

argue policy and not this retarded ad hom for people who are unintelligent enough to at least come up with a clever one.

>I PUT FAGGOTS IN CASKETS
Idles no!

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Are toothbrushes a capitalist construct?

>start a thread with childish, exaggerated insults in CAPITALS
>question it
>hey hey woah! lets get mature here! policy for a start!

you begin

>n-no u!!!!

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I might have misread the thread

YEAH YEAH CHEAP IMPORTED LABOR YEAH YEAH MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS GIMME GIMME SHAREHOLDER VALUE ALRIGHT YEAH DISPLACED NATIVE WORKERS ARE ALL NAZIS WOO HOO THATS A GOOD THING YEAH

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legal mass immigration would be terrible for multinational corporations since they benefit from the fact that the labor is illegal immigrants and use it to pay them less and make them do jobs that nobody would ever do. you're conflating here user

this

Gonna rape your sister just for this post m8

even legal immigrants are paid less than native workers you tosser

and is that because immigrant labor is just innately worth less? its a power imbalance under capitalism issue, not an immigration one

it'd also drastically increase surplus population and drag a lot of people down with it
and i realize western poverty is relative and this serves a political end for center left populists and the sakai fandom but it's not humane for the people you're bringing in or the people who are already at rock bottom
urgency is impatience and neurosis on the part of airquotes socially aware white yuppies

yes and capitalists support mass immigration because they can exploit those power imbalances which is why those who tow the party line about how immigration is good are useful idiots whose politics are just a fashion statement because they have no skin in the game meanwhile native workers are displaced and ostracized as nazis if they complain

worsening material conditions and sabotaging race relations so you have a base to work with is not commendable
it makes people resent you
i don't blame them

source?

people can support more than one issue at once. i dont agree with people who support immigration without also trying to reduce the effect of capitalism since they obviously need to go hand in hand to prevent exploitation. repeating the same argument 5 other people in this thread doesn't show anything besides your absolute projection and lack of original thought

It’s supply and demand. Increasing the labor pool lowers wages.

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mde?

>he thinks supply and demand is real

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As someone who is pro immigration and pro lgbtqwhatever, I find Idles to be bigger SJW cringe every time I listen to them.

And I fuckin' hate their image. You just know they will be quick to explain that THEY DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THEM in most pasive aggresive possible like that annoying guy in high school.

I am literally baffled about how people think they are cool. Saddened and disturbed a little bit also.

Your thoughts aren't that original. Also, they're dumb.

people don't think they're cool they just confirm certain political biases and have the resources for marketing or a publicist
pretty sure they were spamming the board for months to try and get le cringe poggers nazis to give them free publicity

see

everyone is rightly complaining that big corporations take advantage of immigrant labor which fucks everyone over in the end
but rather than blame capitalism you blame immigrants instead

you lot are well and truly cucked

i'm criticizing the goon line on immigration not blaming the immigrants

One facilitates the other. They're both bad when left unchecked.

immigrants dont facilitate big corporations what are you on. they dont benefit from being forced to work shitty jobs

>Multi-billion dollar corporations actively pushing for harsher government control on immigration
>"NO, THEY WANT THE EXACT OPPOSITE TO HAPPEN"

lol, bootlicker

Notice I said, "one facilitates the other," and not "they both facilitate each other." Retard.

>balding
always

N-N-N-NO U

You're a loser user

>Punk is built as a provocative, rebellious genre
>It's still provacatvie and rebellious and triggers people

Some things never change I guess

oh so you were just being idiotic and vague on purpose

it's epic

capitalism isnt going anywhere and is what drives mass immigration trying to defend the displacement of native labor from a socialist perspective makes no sense the only reason most lefties support immigration is because they are whitecollar and far removed from the its actual consequences and just want access to kebabs and tandoori chicken also because they have been conditioned by media to associate anti immigration politics with "bad guys" it is just a fashion show for them

youre totally right, capitalism is what drives mass immigration. it also drives the rejection of mass immigration, which is why a socialist perspective is the only sensible way to address the issue, by dealing with the causes of immigration, as well as trying to dampen the effect. but im glad you think you really know why lefties do it, and actually believe youre not totally projecting

Neither actually, but feel free to explain why you would think that.
Care to substantiate any of what you've written? A capitalist model doesn't necessarily guarantee any particular form of immigration policy.

a socialist perspective protects the interests of native workers and no capitalism is not what drives rejection of mass immigration because capitalism only thinks in terms of maximizing wealth for capitalists whereas cultural issues are the main force behind anti-immigrant sentiment someone is not a capitalist because they push back against policies that cause fundamental changes to the social fabric of their communities in terms of language or religion to name only a couple neoliberal capitalists cynically frame these legitimate cultural concerns as racism to shame and silence those being displaced

That's a hell of a run-on sentence. You've created a false dichotomy.

youve got nothing

capitalism is only failing because of jews, they are the bankers and piggies you communists love to complain about

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historically, the ideal labor situation capitalism has found is forced or slave labor since they can be paid nothing and worked for any number of hours you want. it was true in the 1700s america, its true now with prison labor, hence why the 13th amendment specifically doesn't include it, and its true at large given that you essetially have to work to survive in a capitalist system, though in a much lesser form. If capitalists were looking for a new form of labor that they could pay little to nothing, they would obviously look to immigrant labor, where people are much more desperate for a job. If you wanted to find a group that you could make work for long periods of time, you would look for a group outside of the regulation of labor laws. in tightening down on immigration, you make immigrants unable to report violations of labor laws to the government for fear of deportation. encouraging anti-immigrant sentiment has the same effect, of isolating immigrants and making it harder for them to redress any part of the situation of exploitation

Do I need to explain to you why it's a false dichotomy? You've created a choice between capitalism and socialism based on extreme case scenarios, when you can find alternative explanations and plenty of instances that do not conform to such scenarios in the real world and throughout history. You say that someone who has an anti-immigrant stance is not a capitalist, which I don't find compelling. You can be in favor of trade and industry being owned by private parties, and not subscribe to open immigration policies or policies that would erode a nation's culture. It's a matter of degree. Capitalism shouldn't be the law of the land, but it shouldn't be thrown out simply because of what it yields in extreme scenarios.

mfw someone says Islam didn't eat your hamster

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this is clearly just an academic issue for you since you are framing it in terms of abstract labels no doubt you want to turn this into a semantic argument about what is "true socialism" or whatever but the fact remains native working communities are displaced to advance the interests of multinational corporations and useful idiots like you have been brainwashed into thinking its heroic to sell out your countrymen so that these corps can reduce their overhead expenses

I hope you're just being retarded
Nation is the people and the culture residing in one territory.
State is the juridical and political organism that organize the nation and the territory

>historically, the ideal labor situation capitalism has found is forced or slave labor since they can be paid nothing and worked for any number of hours you want.
A big part of why slavery ended was because it wasn't profitable, especially after industrialization.
> it was true in the 1700s america, its true now with prison labor
Our economic system doesn't rely on prison labor and it's a pretty marginal issue within the bigger picture. Personally, I'm for offing violent offenders, and I'm more concerned with conjugal visits than this crap, so you get no sympathy from me.
>its true at large given that you essetially have to work to survive in a capitalist system
You essentially have to fight to survive. That's life, fucknut.
>If capitalists were looking for a new form of labor that they could pay little to nothing, they would obviously look to immigrant labor, where people are much more desperate for a job.
Hashtag notallcapitalists.
>If you wanted to find a group that you could make work for long periods of time, you would look for a group outside of the regulation of labor laws.
Yeah, I agree. Which is why we should look to reign in extreme capitalism. That doesn't mean in turn that socialism is the answer.
>in tightening down on immigration, you make immigrants unable to report violations of labor laws to the government for fear of deportation. encouraging anti-immigrant sentiment has the same effect, of isolating immigrants and making it harder for them to redress any part of the situation of exploitation
Cool, I don't give a fuck about immigrants and their being exploited. Really. Not being edgy, it's not because I hate them - I just don't care. They don't belong here. And in the same way you say immigrants are being exploited by capitalism, I can say that capitalist ideals are being exploited by people who put profits and power over their own countrymen, and they may very well not actually be capitalists (and aren't in many cases).

>actually believing corporations care for being progressive

fuck IdLES

>we should look to reign in extreme capitalism. That doesn't mean in turn that socialism is the answer
every 10 years someone just like you will be saying this to someone just like me, but in a slightly more socialist system each time

cuy is good and you should try it
also the quran

>this is clearly just an academic issue for you since you are framing it in terms of abstract labels
I'm going by the basic definitions of capitalism and socialism that you can find in a regular dictionary.
> no doubt you want to turn this into a semantic argument about what is "true socialism"
If anything you're making this about what is "true capitalism." My definition adheres to the common definition found in a dictionary. I'm not pulling a No True Scotsman.
> or whatever but the fact remains native working communities are displaced to advance the interests of multinational corporations and useful idiots like you have been brainwashed into thinking its heroic to sell out your countrymen so that these corps can reduce their overhead expenses
No, I'm against all that shit, but that doesn't mean I'm against capitalism too. See, you're the one pulling the "true capitalist" card.

Socialists are the shoeshine boys of the ruling elite.

...

Perhaps because capitalist and socialist machinations are not mutually exclusive, and coexist in a complex system. It is not either/or.

>the system that wants to shift power from the ruling elite to the laborers actually benefits the ruling elite

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>I can say that capitalist ideals are being exploited by people who put profits and power over their own countrymen, and they may very well not actually be capitalists (and aren't in many cases).
And that's the problem with capitalism, it's too "lucrative". The most despicable and rotten people on the planet can obtain a great amount of power

he probably thinks he's going to be part of the ruling elite

You're doing the devil's dirty work without even knowing it. Sucks to be you. What a misguided life.

Honestly, the triggering of conservahicks only serves to make IDLES more popular with lefties. Hell, I only looked em up after the consistent anti-IDLES spamming on this board.

Their Glastonbury performance fuckin' rips: youtube.com/watch?v=ZzwXZD1ejGw&t=15m37s

Flagboarders fuck off

Truly the funniest timeline.

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>white yuppies are The Laborers and won't go ceausescu mode given the opportunity

Based Tommy Shit-Twix poster