Since jazz general is dead forever, imma ask this here, what exactly is so special compositionally/theoretically about a love supreme? I enjoy a lot of pre-60s jazz and even coltrane's early-mid career work, but a love supreme just sounds boring
>DAE le lolsomysterious renaissance poly-phony? >DAE le ebin unknown buhroke composers peatzold and zeelinka??? >DAE le soulless fugue autism meister blach??? >DAE le ebin ogre baydn clock rpg theme???? >DAE le underrated literal ass licker mofart???? >DAE le 2edgy4me angry manlet incel mutt shithooven????? >DAE le fat emo manlet incel shoeburp???? >DAE le ebin nadzi opera man wanker????? >DAE le 2deep4u esoteric larper incel screeuhbim???? >DAE le atonal autism weeburrn le textures????? r/classical
Luis Scott
Opera sucks.
Blake Lewis
spotted the monolinguist
Ayden Sanchez
Only orchestra concertos are the patrician choice. The rest are shoit m8y.
Jaxon Morris
greetings, i'm trying to write a short cute cello piece. is it possible to play chords on all four strings by bowing them? from my 5 minute google search apparently 3 strings is okay 4 is a bit fucked to play but it can be strummed, but i don't want that.
Andrew Rodriguez
Lieder >>>>>>>>>> op*ra
Carter Lee
Maybe some piano pieces? Try something from Debussy, Fauré and Satie. Chopin too, mainly his waltz.
Ryan Morgan
Although if you really want to get into classical like a true patrician you should not listen to it as background music. You must pay 100% attention
Dylan Cox
no. if you have a triple or quadruple stop it will always be arpeggiated. the curvature of the the cellos strings only allow for double stops.
youtube.com/watch?v=phygv_Et9sQ the first chords of this piece are written as a quadruple stop but it really is just arpeggiated.
that's exactly what i'm doing. I'm thinking in terms of how I play guitar and I'd usually use alternate tunings and draw a map of the frets in a certain key so i know which notes are safe to play. might just write it like that. good fortune to you user!
usually i find classical to boring but i stumbled across this while youtubing randomly, why isn't shit like this more popular it would get alot more people into it.
Not to sound like a Redditor but I remember trying to do this, I put on Tristan und Isolde prelude having never heard it before and completely took me over.
Justin Carter
google it you stupid fuck. jesus every thread has the retarded wagner fans
To the extent South America is technically in the Western Hemisphere, really all you need to look at is Japan. Not even Australia has any decent composers, least of all Percy Grainger.
If emotions had an orchestra, it would most likely play Pachelbel's Canon. The sound of a big burden off your back. The sound of the ability to fly without wings. The sound of dancing in the rain. The sounds of your wedding day The sounds of your soul being saved. The sounds of your child been born. The sounds of your heart when it falls in love. The sound of helping someone in need.
Why do 99% of the YouTube videos completely ignore these things? I don't know what they are called but I'm under the impression that they are "optional" since nobody plays them?
But Wagnerposters are some of /classical/'s best men when it comes to recommendations and lenghty Chad post analysis instead of one word meme spouting We should get rid of all later Romantics that's what, like mahlerfaggotry and similar
Asher Rogers
>We should get rid of all later Romantics thats a great take. nothing worse than regressive late romantics.
How would you compare Beethoven's approach to emotion in his music with Mozart's? I think most of /classical/ would agree Beethoven made his feelings in music much more "obvious", like they grab the listener by themselves and the music is there to serve that purpose, while in Mozart they're more hidden, or "one with the music". But I don't know how to put that into words and not sound pretentious
People who scream >nooo mozart/wagner/mahler suckz!!111 and the people who reply to these with >nooo u suck!!11111 are the lowest IQ specimen in this general and we need to eradicate them.
Aiden Scott
This except for Mahler because he does suck
Brandon Ross
There would be no one left.
Juan Wilson
I'm 5 seconds in and this is already the worst thing I've ever heard
Hunter Rivera
People who scream >nooo bach/beethoven/schubert suckz!!111 and the people who reply to these with >yes u rock!!11111 are the highest IQ specimen in this general and we need to fellate them.
Chase Johnson
This except for Bach because he is good.
Joseph Sanchez
Bach is shit.
Ayden Myers
incoming Bach spam
Kayden Bennett
> Mozart: Idomeneo - Teodor Currentzis here we go
Connor Gutierrez
the male singers are really bad, because director Sellars wanted "diverse" people for the male voices. that hack directs almost every year in Salzburg and there are still people willing to pay 200€ to see his forced shit. Ligeti hated him and what he did to Le Grand Macabre many years ago also in Salzburg.
Dominic Gonzalez
If it's German, it's shit If it's Austrian, it's patrician
Hey, you left your brain in the 19th century, buddy.
Caleb Wood
lmao I've heard about Sellars' antics but I've never watched an actual production of his. Shame about the singing, is the conducting any good? I've heard mixed things about Currentzis in Mozart.
Luis Roberts
"germany" only existed as a nation (as opposed to a supra-national ethnicity) due to pr*ssian autism and animosity over Austrians. It goes like this: Austria > Bavaria >>> Saxony >>>>>>>> shit >>>>>>>>>> pr*Ssia
Hunter Rivera
The idea of Germany as a nation existed long before that you retard. The Prussians were just the ones making it into a reality. Mozart explicitly identified as a German.
Nicholas Bell
he conducts Mozart really really fast, so of course it's not to everybody's liking. the majority of Idomeneo is sung by female voices, as Idomeneo is a trouser role, they are all top notch in the production. he doesn't conduct his own orchestra here, but the German period orchestra of Freiburg, but they are very good as well and already did Idomeneo live with Rene Jacobs several years ago.
Jason Sanders
German subsumed Austrian, Prussian etc. just like Slav subsumes Polish, Czech etc. Hence you had the German Confederation, a confederation of Germanic peoples, and pan-Germanism akin to pan-Slavism.
Logan Gutierrez
This is in no contradiction to what I wrote.
Zachary Reyes
What the fuck is going on here?
Owen Sanders
Schizophrenic historyfags jerking off to their imaginary human classification groups. Not an ounce of intellect to be found ITT.
Jason Moore
Yea Forums's only high IQ thread
William Diaz
petzold
John Young
mozart
Charles Taylor
Guys I have a question about the theory of composition. Ill attach a soundbyte of what i'm describing, the notations and the question.
Would you guys be willing to try and help me out with some answers? Its about splitting the notes of a chord across registered instruments and how that interacts with modal changes.
For example, if I were to play a Cmaj (CEG) and notate the C to be played by Violin, E on the Viola and the G on the Cello (for example).
If you're willing to help i'll type out my question if not i'll fuck off. Cheers lads.
Thomas Peterson
Brehs.... is it even possible to get that good at composing without having formal music education
Stop listening to music for how pleasing it sounds and start listening to it like it was an abstract audio story
Caleb Butler
This. 100%
Gavin Peterson
People will tell you its about sophistication but for me it was about novelty. It was the hard stuff after I'd already grown "bored" (well I still listen to them) with Rautavaara, Stravinsky, Scriabin and the like.
Isaac Baker
It's not just preference. Mozart believed that music should at all times be pleasing to the ear. For Beethoven that was not necessarily the case.
Levi Lewis
Just skip Schoenberg and listen to Webern.
Nolan Williams
But I feel it's the complete opposite when I listen to them I mean, when I think of pleasing to the ear I think "=emotionally satisfying" and Mozart is the one that for me tries to blueball or subvert you when you expect some specific emotion while Beethoven is happy to hand it to you and greatly works in delivering so with a lot of emotional strenght
Jordan Gomez
What's the most complex classical that doesn't go into avant garde territory?
Chase Ramirez
Bach's masses idk
Easton Walker
Du Fay's motets.
Ryder Miller
Liszt's sonata, Faust symphony
Charles Flores
Chopin is the only /classical/ worthy composer. Prove me wrong
protip: you cannot do that.
Cooper Baker
>muhh ballades
Luke Gonzalez
Forgot to add that piano is the only /classical/ worthy instrument.
Show me jazz that is as harmonically advanced and interesting as late Scriabin and then we can talk.
Jack Collins
It's literally a THEME that features all 12 tones to achieve an eerie and uncertain feeling. Something entirely different than JUST a climbing chromatic "figure". It's the first of its kind and it's obviously a precursor to dodecaphony even though Liszt's intentions were something entirely different.
Austin Evans
to webern hardcore-fans: you know hildegard jone? there's little readily available info on her in english so if you've got anything that isn't just about op. 23 please tell me, specially if you'd expect most people not to know about it
Connor Gonzalez
No, you're wrong. Systematization is everything when it comes to 12 tone. Really Mozart's chromatic melodies from works like the 16th string quartet are more in the spirit of dodecaphony than Liszt's symmetrical rising figure; we can see in the Mozart that he is explicitly trying to incorporate notes that are distantly related to the tonic.
>Bach WTC I B minor fugue >Mozart 40th symphony 4th movement development umm try again sweetie
Austin Jenkins
Late era coltrane, herbie hancock, charles mingus sound pretty complex sometimes. I actually have no idea if they are, I never analysed their music lol
I have been here. Since my computer malfunctioned, I decided to cut myself off of internet except the 3 hours I get at the library every day. Its better this way. I'm getting a lot done. For instance I'm memorizing every word of the dictionary that I might ever use in a piece of writing or a conversation. Currently on "D".
I was high and had a moment of wokeness. If jazz is derived from the 2-5-1 progression, why don't other ppl just make entire genres out of some specific chord progression
Kayden Cruz
nope brainlet
Jonathan Howard
Jazz isn't based on the 2-5-1 progression. Or rather that's very little of what gives it its sound. Plenty of pop is based on 2-5-1 and it doesn't sound much like jazz. What gives jazz its character is the sixth diminished scale and blue notes.
Brayden Parker
yeah because it sounds shit 99% of the time
Jordan Carter
kind of like your posts. We're in agreement that few composers or musicians have utilized it to great effect.
this is actually cool. thanks for the share. i dont hate microtonal stuff btw. a lot of ethnic microtonal stuff is nice its just the classical stuff that sucks
It's because the "ethnic stuff" has its own intricate system of keys and tetrachords while the classical stuff just throws random shit on the wall and makes use of whatever sticks
So basically the 2 5 1 combined with the use of the blues and bebop scales made for a perfect storm type of situation? I guess it isn't replicable anyway or someone would have done it already
Is this Just intonation? The harpsichord sounds kinda out of tune at some points
Grayson Johnson
ok glen is based now.
was just about to comment on that myself.
Jacob Long
Meantone tuning
Nathaniel Morris
more of this please
David Powell
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Ryan Roberts
thanks
Sebastian Torres
Just search more Froberger, literally all of his Harpsichord suites sound like that, he has a very unique style, and alot of Harpsichordists are obsessed with his music so you have plenty of recordings to choose
Carson Green
I have come to the conclusion that everyone plays Mozart wrong and I decided that I will come to eventually record all of his piano sonatas myseld in a proper fortepiano before I die. What tuning though, that's the question
Dylan Wilson
441
Hunter Miller
Why isn't art music promoted more in the mainstream and education? I think it's upsetting that the average person doesn't know or care about our wonderful past music and I really think that people would like it if they had the right introduction.
You pestilent swine. Do not again come into my inner sanctum with your heathenous and adulterous pictures.
Jacob Cruz
how would we call Cavalieri's piece enharmonic aspect today?
Brody Price
Did you guys know every romantic piece ever should be played at half the speed we play them today????
Brayden Martinez
You putrid filth do not ever again quote a Jew in my presence.
Leo Richardson
means for
Cameron Cox
user we listen to music differently. It takes a while for classical music to "click" when you're just used to pleasing your ear as fast as possible
Justin Jones
There's definitely a problem forming around classical pieces being played too fast. Für Elise is a classic example of this. youtube.com/watch?v=_mVW8tgGY_w
This song was said to be written for a woman who Beethoven proposed to but rejected him.It was meant to have a slow cadence but instead it's played rigorously without any passion, as many of the Neo-Classical crowds have been taught to favor speed and technical skill over passion and meaning.
Basically, Jews have destroyed the art like they've destroyed everything else. Emotionally dead.
Ryan Smith
I was just shitposting pretending to be the AuthenticSound guy but yeah I agree a lot of playing has gotten unfortunately faster (or in the case of Wagner unfortunately slower somehow) over time. I always feel like everyone plays Mozarts andantes too fast
William Garcia
Furthermore, the average composer now creates nothing new but instead rehashes the old endlessly. There exists no room for creativity in what is arguably the world's greatest form of music. And creativity is something you cannot learn at your homosexual liberal arts school, it's something you're born with.
Gavin Reyes
>Literally reconstructed some ancient microtonal organ Based Jew
Xavier Hall
What is that accent? He sounds like one of those microsoft voice readers
Leo Diaz
Wow, homophobic much?
Dominic Hernandez
>creativity is something you cannot learn at your homosexual liberal arts school, it's something you're born with.
I only really get bothered when Chopin is played too fast. Even if it's barely noticeable it drives me insane. Almost all the Chopin on youtube is shit tier.
Jayden Gutierrez
What is the hardest music theory concept to understand?
>Although meantone is best known as a tuning environment associated with earlier music of the Renaissance and Baroque, there is evidence of continuous usage of meantone as a keyboard temperament well into the middle of the 19th century.[14]
That's what I keep fucking saying and no one cares >:(
Evan Collins
That's hardly particularly fast. Especially when one considers the context of Beethoven's own tempo preferences and historical recordings. >as many of the Neo-Classical crowds have been taught to favor speed and technical skill over passion and meaning. If by "neo-classical crowds" you are referring to interwar performers they generally played Beethoven slower, not faster. 20th century aesthetic preferences -- especially post-war -- tend to favor metronomic monotony and slower tempi. This has carried over into the 21st century somewhat, though it is getting better in some instances. For an example, Bruckner, Wagner, Mahler, Brahms, and many other romantics are played frustratingly slow, not fast. Even most of Beethoven's metronome markings are still ignored; most pianists do not even approach he desired tempi in the Hammerklavier, for instance. Furthermore a slower tempo doesn't inherently boon an interpretation with "passion and meaning," nor does a fast tempo necessarily subtract it. People who associate a slow pace with profundity are Celibidache-tier brainlets. Doubtful considering pre-war Wagner is played incredibly fast, while post-war has become slower and slower to the point where modern Wagner tends to have at least an extra hour of bloat by comparison to older performances. The poster you're replying to should love post-war Wagner considering his preference for slow recordings. The biggest problem with modern Chopin interpretation isn't the speed but metronomic monotony as well as a fundamental misunderstanding of how important the left hand is in Chopin. This is especially evident in the Mazurkas.
