>But Eilish’s rise took much longer, and her trajectory wasn’t actually the organic internet phenomenon many believe it to be; rather, it was more of a carefully planned, old-school corporate launch. Much has been made of the theory that Eilish has bypassed traditional industry gatekeepers on her way to the top. But it would be more accurate to say that in 2019, over a decade after SoundCloud and Spotify reshaped the music industry, there is now a new guard of gatekeepers — and Eilish was backed by them early on in her career.
>“Ocean Eyes” wasn’t some immediately career-making viral hit, but the song reportedly made enough of an impact for Finneas’s manager to reach out to him and talk about Eilish’s potential in November 2015. By early 2016, in a deal engineered by her brother, she had been signed to the London-based A&R and creative services company Platoon (bought by Apple in 2019), a company that helps package artists before they go on to major label deals. Eilish got her own publicist, who connected her to the Chanel fashion label, and her own stylist, Samantha Burkhart, both of whom helped shape her image.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOW CAN WE LET THIS HAPPEN BROS? WE GOT TOO COCKY
Elijah Brooks
"DUDE I HATE FAME, NOW FIGHT TO DRINK OUT OF THIS BLESSED WATER BOTTLE, PEASANTS"
>During a recent sold-out show in Minneapolis, Billie Eilish burst onto the stage, jumping around with anarchic glee, singing her bouncy, brooding hit “Bad Guy.” As her trademark tarantulas crawled around on a screen in the background, her audience sang along. “My fucking shin splints are acting up right now,” she told the crowd during a break. “You know how annoying that is?” After taking a sip from her water bottle she casually asked, “Who wants this, by the way? I just drank out of it,” before tossing the bottle, wedding bouquet–style, into a knot of screaming fans with their arms outstretched.
Nothing more autistic than caring about what the fuck has Buzzfeed have to say about Billiw fucking Eilish. Like her music? Good. Don't? Ok. I don't give a flying fuck if she's a plant, or if she's le relatable edgy teen artist or if she's Bill Clinton in drag. Talk about the music itself or get off Yea Forums
Nolan Reed
>doesn't like the thread material >posts multiple times in the thread anyway
>>“Ocean Eyes” wasn’t some immediately career-making viral hit, but the song reportedly made enough of an impact for Finneas’s manager to reach out to him and talk about Eilish’s potential in November 2015. By early 2016, in a deal engineered by her brother, she had been signed to the London-based A&R and creative services company Platoon (bought by Apple in 2019), a company that helps package artists before they go on to major label deals. Eilish got her own publicist, who connected her to the Chanel fashion label, and her own stylist, Samantha Burkhart, both of whom helped shape her image.
This paragraph alone should debunk some major lies Billie often tells: >her family wasn't well-connected to the industry >'ocean eyes' was such a huge viral success that the label needed to sign her or else they'd miss out >her style is 'all her own' and is totally NOT a marketing gimmick to appeal to soundcloud rap fans
Anthony Collins
Retard do you even know what sage is
Sebastian Fisher
you mean to tell me that musicians who reach mainstream attention have agents and publicists?
Jayden Adams
>who connected her to the Chanel fashion label that explains all the chanel stuff she wears on her instagram shots
Brayden Richardson
MANUFACTURED POP STAR =/= INDUSTRY PLANT anyone with half a brain knows that billie isn't genuine and was created by a label. it's scummy but it's just a part of the industry at this point. calling her an industry plant helps normalize the practice of major labels supporting "independent artists", which is a much more nefarious practice.
Jeremiah Hernandez
do you know how time works? cause you aren't getting yours back and you are contributing things for others to post about ITT
Lucas Cooper
She's even said in interviews she "never pays for clothes", which indicates someone connected to the top-tier designers is arranging for her to model their clothes on social media.
Girl is a fucking walking billboard.
Joseph Morgan
the point of the article is that unlike her backstory she did not "blow up out of nowhere" and got signed but was a carefully crafted marketing campaign with corporate partnerships from the start obviously this was already known as her massive media coverage preceded her musical success, but a fairly mainstream media outlet saying it is a new development, previously it was just online music forums and youtubers discussing it
Asher Gomez
Now they're planting stories about her being a plant for double hype on N O T H I N G
Camden Davis
>>in a deal engineered by her brother >engineered by her brother >by her brother >brother
So this finally confirms the fact her brother has been 100% puppeteering her this entire time.
Oh hell, in a recent interview, Denzel Curry even stated that Finneas was the one who arranged for them to work together (Denzel has an enormous amount of critical acclaim even among hardcore hip hop fans, so that could explain why the O'Connells desired to work with him so badly).
Her entire career is her brother's doing. But yes, please keep telling me how Billie is a "strong independent female artist".
Andrew Gray
wtf buzzfeed is based now!
Hunter Taylor
>imblying you're not a seething billiecuck transparent ass nigga
Jaxon Rodriguez
It's not that she has agents and publicists. The entire controversy surrounding this girl begins and ends with the issue of transparency in the industry. Her entire image is supposed to convey a kind of counter-cultural, DIY ethic (similar to the shit Ian MacKaye advocates), almost anarchistic. Publications even go so far as to make hyperbolic statements about Billie, like "she's subverting the entire pop landscape" or "she's giving the music industry the proverbial middle finger" when, in actuality, she wasn't just born and raised in the industry, she was actively being pushed by the industry her entire time doing music. That's pure deceptive marketing.
It's also cringy by how much she insists she's an underdog in interviews, namely the one she recently did with Rolling Stone. I'm almost certain she's trying to copy the backstories of her black rapper idols, hence the "I grew up POOR in the HOOD and music was my only coping mechanism, then out of NOWHERE I put a song on SoundCloud and it BLEW UP".
Logan Gray
She isn't protected from character assassination because she fucks blacks instead of jews. Her career will be dead in no time unless she changes her ways.
Logan Lopez
he actually hyperlinked Progress' video on the world "plant" in the second paragraph here, absolute madman youtube.com/watch?v=PFwUXt_SmMs
>Eilish has, at 17, been getting the kind of press most musicians spend their whole careers waiting for. The Fader jumped in first, back in March, with a cover story asking, “Who’s Billie Eilish?” Since then, the New York Times has said she’s “Not Your Typical 17-Year-Old Pop Star. Get Used to Her.” Billboard called her “The New Model for Streaming Era Success,” while Rolling Stone anointed her rise as “The Triumph of the Weird.” (Even the old-school rockists of NME admitted that Eilish is “The Most Talked-About Teen on the Planet.”)
>This degree of hype around any artist will inevitably be met with some criticism, and in the music industry corners of Reddit and YouTube, some commenters have expressed the suspicion that Eilish might be — in SoundCloud parlance — an industry plant. (She’s not, but more on that later.) These conversations are arguably part of broader anxieties about how pop stardom has changed in the age of streaming. Many have argued that pop has seemingly fragmented into micro stardoms. Yet Eilish has managed the hat trick of winning at streaming, cultivating a rabid, album-buying fanbase (she has 34 million Instagram followers), and garnering the kind of magazine covers and network TV appearances coveted by old-school monoculture-era pop stars. How did this all happen, and is it all as groundbreaking as it seems?
Jose Howard
>(She’s not, but more on that later.) Hmmmmm.
Xavier Phillips
his argument was basically "well the industry does it now so it's normal" as the reason why she's not a plant lmao, pretty weak but he did that after confirming tons of the arguments for her being a plant
Ryder Hernandez
Yeah that's pretty lame. It's like saying "well it's okay for you to dump your trash into a river because literally everyone does it".
Carson Martin
Denzel also stated in an IG rant that Billie's label didn't want her featuring on his song, almost certainly because the song's content was way too political and Interscope didn't want their little industry sprout getting Kaepernick'd right before they began payola'ing her to death, hence why her feature remained uncredited.
100% proof the girl is a label slave. Artists with actual control have bargaining power with the higher-ups and can get what they want.
>all the passive-aggressive rage and frustration radiating from this post
Chase Edwards
>>her family wasn't well-connected to the industry I mean, Finneas had roles on some of the biggest TV shows this decade (Glee and Modern Family). Most "struggling actors" can't get bit parts on daytime TV, much less on shows with that degree of cultural relevancy.
Also, their mother is extremely well-connected. She produced low-budget indie films and has released music of her own.
Jaxson Moore
Her audience has been steadily declining so it's time to replace them, this is why they're dismantling her image now. She will completely disappear by 2020 and another girl will take her place, they're working on it.
Camden Brown
>source: my ass
Benjamin Ortiz
that other girl will be me
Dominic Scott
It's true. The streaming numbers for Bad Guy are starting to fall, with the only thing keeping it high on Billboard being radio play (which is 100% thanks to payola). Keep in mind, zoomers are the ones streaming music whereas boomers listen to radio.
The fact she's on the cover of RS is also proof she needs a desperate publicity push.
Chances are, Interscope has already signed her replacement.
Joshua Wood
>Is Billie Eilish an industry plant? Are people just realizing this now?
Camden Bailey
>spouts catchphrases >doesn't contribute to the thread in any meaningful way
must be nice not having to formulate your own opinions
Henry Jenkins
>signed to a major label at 14 with almost no music to her name And people still doubt she was created by a boardroom?
Andrew Parker
#BillieEilishIsOverParty soon
Blake Reyes
I am not defending Eyelash or anything (it's music for 13 year old girls and it's not worth my time to discuss it), but a lot of your favorite, "authentic" bands and musicians had some bullheaded manager getting them booked and controlling them throughout their rise of stardom. And labels in the 60s and 70s actively went with "counterculture" bands, as that was the entire mainstream zeitgeist. Because people like Neil Young, Marvin Gaye, or James Taylor blend into the zeitgeist, it seems like they're purely organic stars. There are never any musicians who become these icons organically.
And honestly, I don't think the public sees her as some alternative/indie chick at all. I think that's autists here getting mad that she had some anime girl on her clothes. People know this girl didn't sing in a band that rose up in some city or music scene. I mean, the music is so over-produced. People aren't that stupid. It's just lame, troll publications posting these obnoxious headlines for reactions.
Michael Bennett
To be fair, most of the features on Taboo were virtual literal who’s. I didn’t even know who Peggy was until I heard him on Vengeance.
David Price
NOOOOOOOO B-BUT THE GUY FROM RADIOHEAD SHES THE ONLY ARTIST DOING SOMETHING INTERESTING SHE WASNT A PLANT HER IMAGE ISNT MANUFACTURED SHE DIDNT JUST SUDDENLY STARTED BEING SPAMMED NONSTOP BY YOUTUBE OUT OF NOWHERE!!! IT'S NOT FAIR BILLIE IS THE NEW COBAIN!!
Jace Morales
Is Billie Eilish a plant like the FBI plants people in organizations, or is she a plant, like the music industry watered and grew a plant?
Joshua Cook
hi are you cute?
Owen Gray
fpbp, no one on Yea Forums who isn't an AI poster or absolute retard cares about this bitch
She's the musical equivalent of a Che T-shirt or a keffiyeh sold at Urban Outfitters: an example of how corporations commodify counter-culture and sell their creations as the real deal to dumb hipsters who just like the style without principles.
Not going to lie, had her feature on Taboo been credited - and she did more blatantly political songs - I'd be far less inclined to bill her as a factory flower, because that would indicate she has both the creative control and the values to go against the dominant ideology without having to kowtow to label bosses. Instead, she's basically woke-for-pay.
Herbert Marcuse would have a field day with this girl.
I don't want to click the article since I don't want to give BF any views, but does it mention anything about her relationships with SoundCloud rappers? I'm very curious to know if her image change was deliberately done to rake in that scene.
James Parker
You're right for the most part but if you're not being honest about it, or worse acting the opposite, you deserve to get called out for being phony.
Jack Wood
Trips of truth baby!!!
David Roberts
I read the "my sister dated her brother" a few times before I realized she dated somebody elses brother
Joseph Gonzalez
Even is she is a "industry plant" who fucking cares she still has good music
David Mitchell
You sure about that?
Caleb Foster
Yea Forums is the new /pol/, and by that I mean it’s always right.
Julian Brooks
It’s not either/or. She can do “unusual” music and still be a label creation.
Angel Clark
>The streaming numbers for Bad Guy are starting to fall That’s not how streaming numbers work, they will constantly grow
Jace Bailey
I mean in terms of growth.
Adrian Morgan
>rocker nation No thanks
Justin Hall
>>rocker nation wat
Gavin Foster
Oh, dumbo, you're talking about the beginning. Click on the link for the actual timestamp.
Josiah Gutierrez
>brother arranged the record deal >brother arranged the features >brother writes all the songs >brother is right beside her during every live performance and interview Gee wiz.
Anthony Gonzalez
She isn’t, she’s a manufactured pop star, a jewish golem. Industry plant implies they actually have some semblance of talent and they had a brief period where they were DIY, while this golem just appeared out of nowhere.
Aaron Robinson
Is anyone really surprised? It was incrrdibly obvious.
Parker Barnes
>April 2019: it’s cool to like Billie Eyelash >August 2019: it’s cool to hate Billie Eyelash
As much as this girl annoys me, something tells me the instant hate-train coinciding with the decline in hype isn’t exactly organic either.
Nicholas Hill
it was never cool to like her retard
Colton Scott
Ah, so you must have been asleep for the first six months of 2019.
Juan Foster
This. Black Twitter is finally starting to call her out for cultural appropriation so you know shit’s about to get real.
Kevin Rogers
Not really comparable. Marvin Gaye for example began as a working songwriter in the Motown legion, when his records started to sell he wouldn’t work unless he had autonomy over the nature of his work. Let’s Get It On, I Want You, What’s Going On, even Here, My Dear and more I don’t recall at the moment weren’t created by some rabbis Berry Gordy and his jewish overlords hired to cash in on post civil rights/counterculture soul renaissance. Marvin made the music he wanted to make, he knew how to write hits, and he was a legitimate musician. Same goes for Stevie Wonder, who’s actually a much better example of this. He absolutely 100% made the music he wanted to make, and ensured that he could with an unprecedented new contract with Motown, starting with Where I’m Coming From (which is pleb filter) and Music of My Mind (also pleb filter and the first album of his “classic period”) and eventually releasing most of his classics on Tamla, his own imprint. In short you’re pretty retarded and clueless if you’re seriously arguing in good faith that the rise of the greats of the 60’s and 70’s were at all related, no matter how tangentially it may seem to you, to the sickening kosher monstrosity the industry has become today. Billie Eyelash the soulless golem could never write, produce and perform an album pic related.
Anyone with half a brain could tell that this girl was a corporate stooge, literally no different from nearly all pop stars except her PR people did a fuckton to make her and her brother appear homegrown. She was being shoved down everyone's throats via viral marketing as early as last summer.
Asher Morris
Why does this board get so angry at Billie and Clairo for being plants, yet deliberately ignores Lana and Grimes being plants? Really makes you think.
Zachary Harris
You know who was also signed and payola’d by a major label as a teenager with almost no prior musical experience? Kate Bush.
Aiden Phillips
>oh look it's the 'kate bush was an industry plant too' maymay in a billie eyelash thread
Logan Gray
the power shift from millennials to zoomers on this board has had its share of casualties. millennials aren't attacking billie and clairo because they have connections, they're attacking them because their appearance means the the end of millennials in pop culture so they're pitching a fit like the spoiled brats they've always been
Lucas Morales
>yet deliberately ignores Lana and Grimes being plants? Except we don't? Even in this leftypol thread: there was discussion of Lana and Grimes and how both of them used their parents' money to get signed all while faking success via viral videos. Grimes is arguably the worst offender since she went so far as to create a tumblr detailing her life as a "struggling artist" in Montreal (which itself is laughable; Montreal is one of the easiest places to live as a starving artist given our welfare system in Quebec is very good and our rents remain fairly low), despite her being a McGill student bankrolled by her wealthy mother.
Xavier Brooks
This. Literally everything millennials did during their relevancy was boring shit and now that it's time to move on and get back to business as usual (i.e. awesome pop music) they want to try to tear it down because it doesn't revolve around them.
Carter Smith
this. you're too old. let go. no one listens to anco
The problem with music journalism is its done by young people who obviously don't remember the past. This would be transparent to anyone who had covered music at any point in the last 60 years but I guess it takes the 12 year old interns at Buzzfeed longer to get there.
Not really, the "impressarios" were themselves famous. Larry Parnes, Brian Epstein, Andrew Loog Oldham, Kit Lambert, Robert Stigwood, Peter Grant etc. They certainly didn't scuttle around pretending they didn't exist.
Leo Jackson
>today Where have you been the last year? Billie Eyelash plantposting is nothing new.
I don't like Drake but he took all those punches early in his career. He still isn't fully respected.
Eli Collins
>Not respected >Gets sucked off by every single media organization that is aware of his existence Do you not live on this planet?
Ayden Price
Do you also think Call of Duty is respected you monglet? Are you also missing that I said he took those punches early into his career and got massively clowned for Starting From The Bottom?
David Nelson
BASEDghostpurrp
Leo Jenkins
I swear, that poor girl's back probably hurts like hell.
Isaiah Hill
tYYQZTq
Sebastian Roberts
Who are you talking about respect from? The only possible argument you have is amongst other rappers, which isn't what we're talking about at all. Nothing in the article/thread is related to how other artists feel about her being a plant, so why suddenly bring it up once you've been made to look like a retard. And it's pretty retarded to define "early in his career" as 2007 - 2013, especially when he's still making fake ass music.
Lucas Cruz
You clown ass nigga, I don't even know where to begin with this post. Drake is someone who was always very popular and he was never really respected and often the butt of jokes, and he got killed for Started From The Bottom. But I already said this and you made that dumb ass post so I don't know what else to tell you seething deflecting Billiecuck.
Liam Morgan
Like people still refer to him as Jimmy, fuck you on faggot
Jose Rogers
...
Kevin Jackson
Trips of truth.
Also highland park hasn’t been the hood since the late 90s when all the gangs got chased out.
Hunter Parker
Lol this post doesn't even make sense. Fuck Drake, fuck Billie, and fuck you. You couldn't even try making a coherent response, so you just shit this garbage out. Who isn't he respected by, the media that loves him or the public that just gave him a record that he'll only increase? Again, no one is talking about other artists' opinions, so I'm assuming you're not talking about them.
Gabriel Carter
Shillie is the epitome of anarchy for sale.
Isaiah Mitchell
God damn there are way too many retards on Yea Forums. You are saying I'm making arguments I never made and acting like any of my posts are cryptic when they couldn't be more straightforward and not a single person believes you aren't at least sympathetic towards Billie, maybe if you can stop raging you'll be able to comprehend simple ass posts.
Bentley Perez
Lol you're mad. I've been shitting on her for months now. Go to sleep, my man. You're getting delusional.
Nolan Young
>i've been found out let me try to play it off cool
Brody Evans
Interesting post. Stevie wonder is amazing.
Jayden Gray
Based Bill Hicks.
Christian White
I remember reading in the early 2000s, someone said 'anyone famous wants to be famous. Geri Hallwell of the spice girls would crawl through broken glass and sewage ponds to be famous at the end'
Jonathan Miller
Way to miss the point. Lily Allen was promoted as being a working class girl who crawled her way up from nothing, when in reality she lived a life of privilege and was gifted career opportunities from her celebrity father.
>Redpills on billie You dudes are way too worked up about the fact that popular music is manufactured, as it has been for the past half century or so. Who cares if she's an industry plant? At the end of the day she'll make some mediocre music, disappear after she becomes irrelevant and then that'll make way for the next manufactured big thing. None of these conspiracies or w/e make you look epic or woke because you're saying shit about the music industry we've known for decades. I'd call you an incel if that wasn't both obvious and passé.
Lucas Carter
>>'ocean eyes' was such a huge viral success that the label needed to sign her or else they'd miss out Do people actually believe this?
John Roberts
Think of it this way: the public "hate" against her is very contained. The BF article about her claims she's not a plant after detailing how and why she is one. It's all sanitized.
Eli Morgan
does being an industry plant change anything about the music? i mean yeah sure the fame is engineered. same story for 90% of pop stars. people are out to make money. fucking big surprise omfg what ever will we do. what does it say about the music? nothing
Dominic Gomez
But singing about politics would make her come off as more mature, no?
Owen Rivera
this board is like a celebrity gossip tabloid. fucking cringe as FUCK
Brayden Clark
he never said that. but also this is a music board maybe talk about music and leave celebrity gossip for the daily mail
Cameron Price
>does being an industry plant change anything about the music? Yes it does. Ask yourself if the food or movie industry produce quality products and rethink your position.
the world has had no shortage of manufactured bands / so called independents / 'pop' stars, groomed and taught to play a role, talent or not. money can buy a lot of things when there's a product to be sold. it's all about the returns.
Samuel Scott
Enjoy your junk food and blockbusters, brainlet.
Samuel Garcia
>buzzfeed calling her out of all places The party's over billie
Samuel Hernandez
Only if she has the "correct" political leanings.
Grayson Campbell
>implying aligning that way isn't the "correct" political leaning nigga please, especially in the arts, especially in music, especially today
Jaxon Nelson
Billie is obviously an industry plant, anyone who doubts so is naive. Having said that, she's obviously doing something right, considering she's got a huge following and is successful, so the truth is in the pudding and in this case the truth is that Billie (or her ghost writers/composers) knows what she's doing, and as much as I hate her for her shitty music and personality, I can't hold her at fault for capitalizing on popularity. That's entirely up to the mass market that gobble up this slop.
Easton Brown
grimes is unironically 100% authentic
if not, she's been managed poorly
Jeremiah Bailey
It’s not bait, retard.
Jacob Thomas
INDUSTRY PLANT
Xavier Hill
Yea Forums cripplechan?
Nathan Thompson
regular people by the hundred of thousands: shes a plant NO HOW DARE YOU JEALOUS FUCKING INCEL AHH buzzfeed: shes a plant buzzfeed is too woke, maybe we should cancel her to make the space more inclusive for black female artists
Dylan Perez
her target audience (below 15 years old) still likes her. but for a grown man it's been about as cool to like Billie Eilish as it is to like kpop
Jackson Allen
the article literally says she's not a plant
Aaron Torres
the billys over the billys over the billys over, bitty bye bye, down with the guy named denzel curry sayin they're a woke couple, tell em again tell em again, Yea Forums keeps on makin it, reddit keeps on taking it, billy start to shake a bit, and buzzfeed keeps on FAKIN IT da da da di di da de de da
Ian Carter
I'm not your "lad", bud. Whatever that's supposed to mean. Second of all, it isn't wholesome or honest. I don't know anything about those two girls on either side of her, but she isn't being truthful with us. It's not a big deal, but doesn't rub me the right way. My 2 cents, don't spend em all in one place jackass.
Sorry I didn't read it and reacted like a fucking spastic. Okay well they're late and wrong. It's good that they're noticing us noticing though.
David Gray
Negro actually click on the timestamped link, it has nothing to do with Billie, well only in the context that they are totally honest about their being manufactured(even though a member of the group has writing credits on an album). If nothing else it's a hilarious moment.
Jonathan Adams
> Eyelash > Gaye Lmfao delusion Eillish fans think they can even remotely compare the two in terms of career trajectory. So glad I left this shit hole
Ryder Cruz
Based
Xavier Diaz
>Like her music? Good wrong
Brandon Lopez
>(She’s not, but more on that later.) >never gets to that later what did he mean by this?
Alexander Johnson
ok now what
Jayden Gutierrez
She's a gimmick. It'll get old REAL fast. There's no substance to her
Chase Sanders
controlled opposition dilate o i am sneed
Robert Carter
I think you could be right but you could also be wrong. I don't know.
Grayson Rodriguez
Did anyone actually believe she was anything but an industry plant? She's a character created for "I'm not like the other girls" whores so they can say "OMG she is LITERALLY me!"
John Lee
>girl is successful >incels come crawling out screaming she didn't deserve it lose your virginity, losers
Joseph Harris
incel alert
Kayden Green
Oh fuck off.
Brayden Campbell
Yeah, the person who tweeted that is a literal SJW. However, even SJWs can make statements which are blatantly correct and objectively redpilled.
Alexander Carter
Billie Eilish is a female and a teenager, therefore she cannot be criticized. Criticizing the music of an individual who is both female and a teenager makes you an INCEL. Me, well, I'm different and superior to you because I listen to music made for emo middle school girls to post as instagram captions. I'm pro-woman. Billie's persona is organic, and a big "fuck you" to the industry. Her rise to fame really is "the triumph of the weird", just like Rolling Stone said. She's revolutionary, and she'd be a great role model for my daughter, if I had one. Her social commentary is astounding, she is truly wise beyond her years, and anybody who claims otherwise is simply jealous of her success.
Let's face it, poptimism is good. Why? because I read an article in a music publication that said so. You incels can go ahead and say mean stuff about her all you want. That doesn't change the fact that you are INCELS, and should have sex.
>"Unique" style to appeal to soundcloud rappers fans >When she turns 18 the next phase begins >Start to slowly put those milkers to work and transition into a more classic pop star selling sex So this is the plan for her career right?
Charles Rodriguez
FBI, but the music charts instead of an organization
Eli Wood
I feel sorry for him, selling his soul to a racist white corporate product when his career was so promising.
Nathaniel Gutierrez
damn, you need more awareness than that, whoever wrote the article, Billie isn't someone to mess with
Jordan Morris
Isn’t Highland Park predominantly Mexican? Makes you wonder why Billie is speaking with a blaccent if she didn’t grow up around black people.
Caleb Miller
Already did.
Oliver Perez
It’s not “her” success but her brother’s. She doesn’t write or produce anything herself, her singing voice is terrible, and she got to where she was through nepotism and planting. And as a feminist I can say... Billie isn’t one.
Andrew Miller
>being a feminist
Sebastian Wilson
>gentrification because every los angeles neighborhood was built and originally occupied by blacks and hispanics
Jacob Hill
LA is Tongva and Mexican land, yes.
Cooper Rodriguez
Interesting but I’m still not convinced this is the full story. There had to have been some shady shit going on with the label in order for them to have pushed her so much.
Jayden Perry
Feminism is still important.
Jackson Thomas
The defined original concept of feminism is still important. In it's current third wave, it's the most destructive and counterproductive social movement in recent memory.
Jack Cooper
Third-wave "feminists" are neoliberals whose entire ideology is based on "muh choice", rather than genuine female liberation and independence from men.
Nathan Watson
I don't understand why this is requiring so much though, considering the mass advertising campaign for her album like 6 months before it came out with her only having an EP, and it's not as if she's the only recent person with a completely random advertising presence.
Ayden Morgan
I agree. Which is why I don't consider myself a feminist despite the fact that I'm female. I can believe in equality without taking on a label. I don't want to associate myself with a movement that has been corrupted with extremism.
Luke Evans
I now understand the hate. She took an elevator up the ladder of success without having to earn it, and is being glorified by all media sources as some sort of underdog that had to actually climb.
Michael Murphy
>extremism If anything, third-wave "feminism" isn't extreme enough.
Bentley Harris
if i get quads billie ellish dies in her sleep tonight
Lincoln Kelly
That, and the fact that her image is entirely based on the impression she's cutting-edge or anti-industry, when she's been supported by huge corporations from the start.
Owen Howard
I think that's a ridiculous statement. Can you explain to me why you believe feminism should be more extreme?
Brandon Adams
Dude, it's Yea Forums. Label shills hype shit here all the time. I bet you thought Death Grips came out of thin air too.
Lucas Robinson
WTF m8???
Samuel Bell
I've learned to not take shit too seriously. accept that life is a joke and it makes things easier. nice quads.
Christian Thomas
Billie Elish is the most ineresting musician in a while.
Not because I could tell you any of her songs, but because of the fact she literally has completely culture vultured the mumble rap look.
Her fashion/style is a complete ripoff Lil'Uzi Vert.........
It's so obvious. At least Lil' Xan has face tats.
Kevin Gutierrez
Look, I don't know if you're a right-wing woman or not, but the reason actual feminists detest most of what's called "feminism" today is because it gives credit to old gender stereotypes which women fought for ages to overcome and abolish. For one thing, women have always been held back on the basis that we are weak, stupid, passive, and unable to take control of things ourselves, whereas males are given the higher roles on the basis that they're intelligent, proactive, and able to be independent. What second-wave feminism tried to do was abolish the notion that "vagina = weak/passive/dumb". When third-wave fauxminism came around (during the 1980s when neoliberalism was at its peak) it promoted the idea that women ARE passive and weak, and that instead of women trying to get stronger and gain independence from men, women should only try to demand validation for being passive and weak.
See why that's a problem?
Now many female youth are falling into hyper-femininity. That's why you see so many of them acting like glorified whores (when prostitutes are arguably some of the most exploited people around). That's also why things like clout-chasing exist: young women attach themselves to rich and powerful men because they think it compensates for their lack of power elsewhere.
Christian Brown
So what do guys think will be her downfall? My money's on heroin overdose.
Ian Rogers
There is no way in hell she'll be able to continue making "hits".....
Aaron Hernandez
Her turning 18 and her novelty dying immediately afterward.
Andrew Gutierrez
She's going to be here a while. There's a lot invested in her name.
Jose Ward
Industry plants have a short shelf life though. I can't see her sticking around for over two years.
Aaron Adams
Literally anyone you suddenly see rise to fame nowadays is an industry plant. Contrary to popular belief the internet was not a force of democratization but a force of consolidation.
Without the internet you had all these regional scenes pop up and they were all fairly hermetic cause the only way someone from the west coast got to hear any independent music from the east coast was through a few cassette tapes. Thus each region had it's own styles and they were harder to control by the corporations.
The internet created a one world scene where everyone gets to hear everything instantly. It destroyed local scenes and make it that much easier for big record companies to dictate who gets heard and who doesn't. In this day and age where most people literally only visit the 5-10 giant sites that have sprung up it's a joke for a record company to manufacture an "indie star". And if your face isn't on youtube or facebook or snapchat or instagram no one is ever going to know you exist.
Anthony Scott
100% correct.
Notice how industry plants also have a habit of ripping off local underground scenes. In Billie's case, she blatantly rips off Miami hip hop which Denzel and Purrp established.
Jackson Brooks
I agree with most of the points you've just made. However, I believe the fundamental issue here is the label of feminism itself. You stated that "actual feminists" dislike third wave feminism. Like it or not, the reputation the movement has developed is beyond repair at this point. The concept of "both genders should be equal" is exactly a revolutionary statement. To most, that's just a general moral and ethical belief. Why should we still define ourselves with the word "feminist" if we need to constantly distance ourselves from the radical ideology of this third wave? We can we not just consider ourselves moral individuals? Why do you insist on still using the label?
I'm not right wing, I consider myself a centrist btw.
Aaron Powell
Shit idk, just my guess. Either way, there's just be a new face and the cycle will continue.
Ian Anderson
Well yeah record suits realized that selling this music would be much easier if they put a semi attractive face on it. That's what they always do, they take a scene and remove the hard edges so it is fit for mass consumption.
Joshua Lewis
"IS NOT a revolutionary statement", that's what I meant to say. Sorry, I'm phoneposting right now.
Ethan Richardson
Grimes isn't a plant.
Lana is a plant but made some legitimately good music.
>third-wave >"radical ideology" How is it radical, when it's basically a neoliberal, capitalist consumerist ideology?
>centrist Oh boy.
Anthony Brown
>Why should we still define ourselves with the word "feminist" if we need to constantly distance ourselves from the radical ideology of this third wave? Because there's a real history and philosophy behind it even if some assholes have corrupted it.
It's the same reason why right-wingers insist on trying to "save the West" despite thinking the current state the West is in doesn't fit their values.
I'm guessing you're a Jordan Peterson fan, no?
Aaron Hernandez
Grimes lied about her privileged background, very similar to Billie.
I agree Lana's music is superior to both.
Jeremiah Phillips
>"How is it radical"
America is being defined as a "rape culture", the naturally masculinity possessed by males is deemed "toxic", every public figure/celeb activist is unintelligent and reflects poorly on all of us women, I can go on for hours.
>"oh boy"
I don't care what you think about my political stance. I see nothing wrong with wanting fairness, being reasonable, and open to compromise.
Asher Reed
>how dare you post about a musician on this music board
Isaac Cooper
she got famous from the instagram explore page
even people following 0 accounts were being force fed her shit fit pics
its where the industry plant meme came from, salty LA based instagram influencers, she is 100% an industry product though
Michael Torres
Rape culture is a very real thing. I don't understand why you would oppose the term.
Masculinity and femininity are both toxic in their own way. That's why actual feminists tried to overcome both in order that those notions would be abolished outright.
You make a pretty shitty female liberationist, if this is what you believe.
Jaxon Kelly
Which makes sense given that she had deals with fashion designers early on and got some nice juicy clout from modeling their clothes.
Isaiah Cooper
Of course the history of the movement is something that is important and should be acknowledged and appreciated. However, I think we have it pretty good in America. I don't think it's necessary to keep the label (which most people associate with extremism at this point) when most people view equality as a basic moral value.
Robert Gutierrez
I'm not American, but given the current struggles from groups like BLM, anti-fascists, etc. I highly doubt life there is as pristine as you want to believe.
Joshua Evans
Well, "rape culture" is absolutely a real thing, but not in goddamn America. I think it's outrageous how many feminists complain about a "rape culture", while also ignoring the horrors women experience in the middle east. In fact, many of you feminists even defend Islam at every turn, which is pretty confusing, considering it directly contradicts many of your values.
Levi Rogers
If you looked into those movements (without simply reading headlines or believing the claims of the mainstream media) you'd see how ridiculous, dishonest, and corrupt they actually are.
Jace Fisher
based buzzfeed dropping the redpills
Thomas Wright
>but not in goddamn America Imagine how oblivious you have to be to believe this.
>I think it's outrageous how many feminists complain about a "rape culture", while also ignoring the horrors women experience in the middle east. False dichotomy.
>In fact, many of you feminists even defend Islam at every turn Protip: "my hijab is feminist" is a consumerist statement, not a feminist one. It's the equivalent of saying "my lipstick is feminist". Linda Sarsour is a giant liberal whose ideology is nowhere close to what feminists have historically (and continue to) struggle for.
Also, bringing up "why don't feminists address the MENA" is missing the point. Just because things are shittier over there doesn't mean things are good over here.
>If you looked into those movements (without simply reading headlines or believing the claims of the mainstream media) you'd see how ridiculous, dishonest, and corrupt they actually are. Many of my American friends partake in these movements. I have insider info and can tell you why the right-wing is completely bullshitting.
Brody Lopez
More like Bill Irish am I right boys?
Evan Rivera
America does not have a rape culture.
> "doesn't mean things are good over here".
Things will never be perfect, and of course we should address bigotry of all kinds. As a woman, I completely agree that we face terrible issues specific to our gender. But come on, we've got it pretty good in America.
Gabriel Wilson
Your friends who partake in those movements are naive and misinformed. BLM is arguably even worse than feminism too actually.
Mason Harris
lmaoing at this whole post
Samuel Mitchell
>But come on, we've got it pretty good in America. Your thinking is fallacious.
See, this is why I despise Americans: you allow for fuckery (both home and abroad) to continue on the vague notion that "you have it good" or "you have it better than elsewhere". Then you complain about why people in other countries look down at your society.
>naive and misinformed >"I don't know what goes on in these movements, I'm just listening to whatever the right-wing media tells me" Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who herself has participated in many anti-racist and feminist struggles.
Even if we assume that these activists are just "misinformed", that misinformation drives them to the streets in militant protest for a reason. Mass movements, especially with that kind of militancy, don't just spring out of nowhere.
Like I said, we should be appreciative of our lives as American women while also addressing bigotry whenever is harms us. I would never claim that problems here don't exist because we are comparatively better off than other countries where women are persecuted. Feminists frequently villianize America and ignore, dismiss, or even outright complain about the privileges we do have. We can appreciate the good, and also address the bad. The pessimistic outlook of feminists is only doing us harm. It does not promote progress.
>"Mass movements, especially with that kind of militancy, don't just spring out of nowhere."
You're right, they spring up after years of indoctrination and propaganda villanizing law enforcement and the government. When you're constantly told that you're being discriminated against, you start to believe it and grow resentful despite the fact that you are not actually facing actual persecution. That's how you get an activist group like BLM, who decided to "fight back" by destroying their own homes, vandalizing local businesses, lighting eachothers cars on fire, and attempting to murder police officers.
America deserves all the shit it gets. Like I said, I'm not even American and yet I can see your problems very well.
But hey, keep living in your fantasy world where black activists and feminists are just "indoctrinated" and completely ignore any of the internal contradictions which gave rise to their movements.
>That's how you get an activist group like BLM, who decided to "fight back" by destroying their own homes, vandalizing local businesses, lighting eachothers cars on fire, and attempting to murder police officers. You obviously don't understand the use of violence as a political tactic. Funny though, because the police and the government understand it very well.
I don’t think there’s any reasoning with you. All I’m going to say at this point is, I think you’re wrong and I think you’re likely an individual who lives in an echochamber and doesn’t get your beliefs challenged very often. I know you’re completely convinced that I’m wrong, but I guarantee one day you’ll think back to this and you’ll realize the truth. I wish you the best of luck in life, because with your mentality, it’s probably going to be quite bleak.
did you have fun wasting your time chasing bait and raping this dead corpse of a board?
Kevin Sanchez
yup that's why no one gives shit to beyonce or taylor swift beyonce's father was high up in the industry, managed her career (maybe still does?) and helped set her up with destiny's child. no one cares because she has never lied about this. taylor swift didn't have a connection like that but she did come from a wealthy family who could afford to up and move to nashville to support their young daughter's career aspirations. very few parents can afford such a thing and it obviously benefited her. but nobody cares because she doesn't pretend otherwise. you could make a case for them being "privileged" or whatever because they had well-off parents who cared about them, but few people really care about that. it's when you have those kinds of connections and then pretend you're just some random viral hit that people take issue with. it sets the wrong expectations for young artists who might believe you can just naturally blow up like billie did.
Kayden Morales
why do you care about any of this?
Asher Walker
Imagine thinking this girl was organic in any way.
Nicholas Walker
Did anyone on here even read the article? It clearly states she's not a plant. She didn't get signed with "no prior experience." She and her brother's band won several competitions in LA plus she already had a bunch of recorded tracks she made at 12-14. Anyway I don't care about this girl.
Jason Baker
i'm here discussing music why did you care about my post so much to warrant a reply to it?
Parker Barnes
who?
Henry Jenkins
Her bro was already an industry professional by the time he wrote "Ocean Eyes". He arranged for her to get signed. She was never part of his band.
Does anyone vaguely remember that user who claimed he took a course with a professional at Interscope while at UCLA, who pretty much confirmed Billie is a plant?
James Price
We need screencaps to confirm this actually occurred.
Eli Wright
Wish I had screencapped it. Basically, he said his instructor showed the class Billie along with several other recent Interscope signees and asked the class to brainstorm suggestions for turning these artists into stars.
William Stewart
Woke-for-pay is nothing new though. See: Bob Dylan.
And before that he already made a name for himself organically in the underground. Billie did talent shows and was part of the LA Children's Choir, meaning she had plenty of experience in music. Again, actually read the article.
Robert Garcia
Fuck this coalburner whore And fuck niggers
Eli Taylor
Yeah, and Baby Goth can't be a plant either because she released an EP before turning herself into a SoundCloud rapper.
Or better yet, anyone who did school chorus or band can't be a plant.
Camden Hall
I’m kind of curious, why does anyone particularly care if she’s an industry plant or not? Like she definitely is, so just get that out of the way....
It’s not like getting people to acknowledge that is going to make Billie Eilish less successful or make her go away, because the average Billie Eilish fan doesn’t really give a shit about things like that, mostly because they’re dumb kids.
Levi Moore
I'll reiterate what others have said in this thread and say it's more of an issue of transparency and the fact that this girl lies about how and why she blew up.
Anthony Price
Fair enough, but she’s also far from the first artist to misrepresent herself and her background. I’m just kind of curious how the shitstorm ended up forming around her so specifically.
David Wright
She flavour of the month, so of course she's going to be the one taking the heat at the moment (along with Clairo). People were saying the exact same thing about Lana and Grimes six years ago.
Christopher Jones
I don’t know, like I remember hearing a little bit about Lana Del Rey being astroturfed back in the day, but I don’t really remember it being such a big thing that it really followed her around. It feels like people discussing Billie being a plant is pretty mainstream though, like it’s kind of hard to hear about her these days without it coming up. And LDR and certainly Grimes were never on that level.
Aaron Carter
Only because people are more aware of the whole planting phenomenon now. The term wasn't even in my lexicon until last year when everyone began discussing Billie and Clairo.
Mason Phillips
This is fucked up, and I believe it 100 percent.
Anyone remember Sam Smith? Probably not. This reminds me so much of that guy.
>It feels like people discussing Billie being a plant is pretty mainstream though because she is the most inauthentic / Hollywood "artist" ever conceived.
A statement so based, god awarded you those quads.
Ryan Baker
This. Her rise to fame was nothing more than an experiment in viral marketing. The labels were looking to see how far they could create a pop star solely through social media.
Henry Powell
_ ____ __ ____ billie eilish
Charles Sanders
I want to ignore
Christopher Allen
to me it's fucking crazy that people care about this. i stopped coming here but i don't remember Yea Forums being so shitty back in 2010
William Brown
So her brother’s connections made Ocean Eyes go viral.
Dominic Stewart
Based commies.
Wyatt Hill
That’s what she was created to be.
Robert Scott
I think Billie Eilish may continue being popular in the future but she might have to change her persona.
Tyler Rogers
>I consider myself a centrist yikes pick a side faggot
Adrian Gomez
Imagine white knighting Drake LOL
Matthew Ross
Are you talking about me? I was telling the retard that Drake did get clowned and still does. And if you were talking about me you're a retard too.
Chase Fisher
>89630473 wonder how much this shill was paid to post ITT
Adam Sanchez
hey no slurs here please
Ian Richardson
the truth is finally being uncovered.. All according to plan
>IE: Neoliberal "let's keep focusing on everything as a strictly racial issue, issues that are more related to class and general power-structure scare rich libs"
Matthew Williams
We will never quite know if she blew whatever money her dad gave her before she was bar tending in Ibiza or if it was just some sort of trustafarian vacation. Either way, I'm not against nepotism in music, or most things. (The only place I don't want it at all is the American Military since it creates lackluster officers like John McCain.)
John Hughes
They nuance that a bit, oh she grew up with her single mother etc and was alienated from her father etc etc.
What they don't fill in was that her "poor" single mother was a producer on almost every major British film of the last 20 years and a lot of the opportunities came through her.
Sebastian Watson
>la children’s choir >I’m she AYCKCHUALLY has experience in music!! Haha holy shit
William Perry
Gross
Cameron Bell
How the fuck is this thread still up?
David Parker
dont care about the rest but this really destroys it for me
Camden Carter
To be fair, that's hardly a neoliberal position. There are no shortage of Maoists, for instance, who will say race (and its relationship to colonialism/imperialism) is the primary contradiction.
Isaac Williams
Uh have you nev heard the mixtapes?
Dude gets a pass cuz he a yid
Jason Long
Drake doesn't make being Jewish a huge part of his persona though. When was the last time he ever put on tefilin publicly?
Easton Fisher
are the retards spamming 'BUT WHO CARES' really really stupid people or are we actually being bombarded by shills here
Did you even read the full article? She's not an industry plant because she was already making music with her brother and his band when she was 11.
She's not even a plant by any definition. A plant is someone who gets signed without anything of their own and molded into a star overnight. Billie can't be a plant because she already had music and experience under her name when she was signed and her success was fairly gradual instead of instant. She even went against the label to record in her brother's bedroom.
Adrian Gomez
It's maybe biased against pop music to call her an industry plant. Anyone who has the time to write, record, and mix music and has the money to afford both the necessary time and equipment, is connected. If you don't have those financial constraints you likely will already have those inroads, and if you don't, you can pay for those connections.
All of your favorite artists had some money daddy somewhere, at least early-on, pulling the strings. In the current era anyway.
Andrew Diaz
Yeah, her brother may not have been a plant but she certainly was.
Noah Parker
Posting this in the thread since it has significant commentary: archive.is/jiD77
Billie = full-blown culture vulture
Robert Morgan
Surely there's better work for you out there than this? You aren't being monitored constantly, can't you be honest for like one post? Yea Forums isn't very influential in all honesty, you're better off on leddit
