/prod/ music production general

deadmau cinco? Mr Bill?

so far, I haven't found anything good on twitch. on youtube on the other hand, there are a few people that I like but they don't stream often

Successful no
Good yes

Oh yeah, I guess deadmau5 counts.
Didn't know Mr Bill streamed. Will check him out, thanks.
I'm also following Mat Zo and Thijs Noisia who streams himself playing with his modular, but these are independently successful musicians who happen to stream.
Is there someone who is successful ON Twitch (other than deadmau5)?

Examples?

actually, deadmau5 left twitch some times ago because he couldn't stop calling people faggots

Did he go back to streaming on his own site, or he stopped streaming altogether?

I don't follow him closely (just liked some of his videos like the ones where he fuck with reaktor), but he hasn't streamed for months and I think he plans to comeback on an other platform, maybe his own

is neurobass like shred for guitarists? I literally never heard of that genre outside of fucking tutorials. I bet it doesn't even have a page on rateyourmusic

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what do you guys think?

maybe the bass/vocal is to loud?

>clyp.it/23aqyq4w

Are the vocals and the melody supposed to be in different keys?

I want to get into oldschool scratching for fun, so my question is can I use a record player or do I need to purchase a turntable dedicated for that? If so what would be the best low budget choice?

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Is this worth working on and what are some good VSTs or techniques to make it more dope? FL studio with default instruments. I have no idea how to stretch it into a full track either, any good tutorials on that? vocaroo.com/i/s02VBM0OIbll

I watchavemcree on youtube, sometimes he streams on twitch too.

Also: clyp.it/lm3pda5z

watch avemcree*

yes because the vocal is a sample and i finished the instrumental first

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I wanted to make a dark and intense jazz inspired thing but so far it sounds more like a Mario Kart soundtrack.

You need a direct drive turntable, most players a belt driven. Scratching on those will break the belt

Because it literally sounds like an SNES soundfont and the bass and percussion are basically tropes of the mario kart soundtrack. Probably taken from some latin music.

This might be a good reference; it kind of sounds like yours: youtube.com/watch?v=VSZjAhfjE5k&list=PL3utvCI-Pxgx3NjayVGeZdEkw9Bzy_RIz&index=80&t=0s

hey adam

whiplash was a 2/10 at best

>clyp.it/uhqyyror
This is based as fuck. Please tell me you used a tracker.

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So, pitch the vocal sample so it fits. Or, as asked by the other user, is it *supposed* to be like that?

A streaming service that doesn't hassle streamers over language would be a pretty popular (if not profitable) venture.
I'm not even an edgy teen that can't stop saying nigger in public I just went to public school in the late 90s and I can't help calling people fags and retards.

Is Logic the most based daw or not?

FL or Logic Pro guys, I can't decide.

all pretty much the same in terms of how you're gonna make music. I would compare the plugins and effects that come bundled with both and decide based off that. I'm happy with what fl studio has to offer.

I see, I just had the question since the 2nd poster said something about music being lifeless in FL.

Maybe I just got caught out in the bait since I haven't started making anything yet .

np matey

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It was bait based on the notes looking quantized to the grid, and therefore "robotic" and "stiff" (though at that resolution we can't see if they've been nudged by a few cents and the velocity view is omitted).
Remember to humanize your midi, usually after arranging and before mixing, unless you want to have a more sequenced feel.

Appreciate this a lot. I'm glad you're giving me tips so my shit sounds at least okay.

Based and renoisepilled. Keeps the fl studio beat faggots out.
>guys what are the best sample packs :)))

that's a setting you turn on. doesn't start out that way.

clyp.it/pvg3xfqf?token=129ca2fceab751bfe62e346a3bde9e79 the project for pic related

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some of the internet money guys stream on twitch. its just that streaming music production is such a niche market and people would rather watch you play videogames than struggle for 19 hours to make something that might sound half-way decent at a school prom.

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Does this sound good? I posted it on the other thread yesterday but now it's also mixed

famitracker. I'm still pretty new to it but I like it a lot.

youtube.com/watch?v=00vYncpl0pk

I hope one day to make stuff as good as this guy.

>clyp.it/s0utb3gm
stereo snaps sound a little cheesy. its not bad. indy mystery videogamey if that's what you were going for.

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Yeah I wasn't too sure about the voice samples myself, it was more of a challenge to see if I could blend them in the song nicely. Thanks for the feedback.

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Limmy some times does Ableton streams
twitch.tv/videos/458399667?filter=all&sort=time

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Lol that looks like it sounds terrible

Should I add another instrument to this or leav it like this?
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>have a good thing going
>turn into hot garbage within an hour
fuck

did you try playing it on your piano?

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The curse of DAWs with their infinite saving, overdubs and tracks

vocaroo.com/i/s0vq6m2JtX75

>not saving every 2 minutes so you can go back to a good sounding version and save the day

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anyone know where you can get a renoise 3.1 torrent at

Still pretty new at this so feel free to rip in
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The vocals are a rough take so the melody and lyrics might not be the same in the end, I'm wondering what other effects I should add for them to blend with the track better though. Also what would be the best way to get rid of the distortion on the drum track?

Do everything in the demo and record the audio out to audacity at the end

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My arrangement skills are fucking garbage

pretty good but fuck the police

it sounds like you're singing quietly so your roommate doesn't here you

exactly the case, that fucker is always here
vocals are still a work in progress

smart, i just dont wanna pay like 70 dollars for a program that is basically abandoned at this point

everything is a work in progress

I'm pretty certain that renoise is still being developed unless you can source me up on the contrary

I like it, it has a lot potential.

Okay, thanks for nothing assholes ¬_¬

You have been welcomed.

Why don't we have DAWs that use haptic feedback microgesture gloves + VR + subvocal recognition microphones which record music you hear in your head?

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Because that wouldn’t be very creative would it?

Have you seen the tech demo for the DAW in Dreams (for PS4)?

vocaroo.com/i/s1Fur8eo4C6G

>for PS4
I was ready to shit on this until I remembered my first “DAW” was magix music maker on ps2. That shit was a lot of fun

i mean just the fact it hasnt had an update in 2 years and the creator is nowhere to be seen

>the creator is nowhere to be seen
He's working on that sample manager/library thing.
Renoise already does everything it needs to do.
youtube.com/watch?v=W-78Ao8R2O4
Sick as fuck.

Okay so I've found a used one, it is pretty old I guess. What plugs does it need to connect it to the DJ mixer? I am a total entry level piece of shit when it comes to analogue equipment. Basically what is a must have for scratching turntable and mixer?

The turntable (depending on model) will either come hard-wired with an audio cable, or it'll have left and right audio output sockets, in both cases they'll use RCA (Phono) connectors. Taking for granted that it's a DJ turntable, that is. The mixer will have phono connectors to plug the turntable into.

Bear in mind that if you're scratching with a single turntable you'll be limited in what you can do - do you have other sound sources that you'll be scratching alongside with? Most scratch DJs (and indeed a lot of the techniques you'll want to learn) use two turntables so that you can cut up beats from more than one source.

Should I add another instrument to this or leav it like this?
clyp.it/fjnwf5uf

Does anyone know of a program to batch normalize?

What genre is this.

shit

bruh why didn't you just play this like.... to a beat?

because im a retard

I tried to but it was too difficult and thought it would sound artificially added on.
Shut the fuck up, you never tried to add drums to this.

no like replay it *to* a beat, not adding one after the fact- the rhythm is fucked. The sounds are decent but there's nothing captivating beyond that

Imogen Heap's made one and they sold out

die

How to distort bass guitar without it sounding too dense and compressed

oh honey

what bb

how do i write progressions with sus4 shit

... just sub it in when the 4 fits in the scale? literally just switch up an otherwise normal progression and see how it sounds dude

i mean outside the key. otherwise it would make no sense to ask it
like this for example

So I was checking my mix in mono, and the bass for some reason keeps fading in and out (only in mono) I was looking to try and fix this issue, I assume its phasing? However nothing I do to the m/s EQ seems to fix it, any Ideas?

what are the effects on the bass

multiple detuned voices? anything else going on down there?
frequency beating man

go look for the stereo shit going on the bass instead of asking

Not sure is the right place to ask, but I'll get chewed out either way I guess:
My friend is moving far away for a while, and he gave me his Arturia Minilab for the time being.
I have no music-making experience at all, I just listen to a lot, and I am just looking for something not too complicated to dick around a bit.
The software that comes with it not only requires the serial number but also an 'unlock code' that came with it, but since it's a few years & moves old, that's not gonna happen.
Any suggestions? I'm on Windows 10, no problem with pirating something.
Thanks!

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Press record

You’ll need a audio interface with midi output or at least one of those cheapo usb to midi cables and a daw. Any daw will do, they all do the same shit for getting started

Wait a minute that’s a controller right not a instrument? ...so youll need a audio interface or a Roland usb cable with midi input if you’re planning on using it to play software instruments right?

It's a controller, and it has a usb connection. That's all I can say I'm afraid.

Made a discord server for people who produce music want feedback and want to get into production. People who just want to give feedback or advice are also welcome.

discord.gg/n3EXWUB

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Ah just plug into your computer then. Download a daw (not fruity loops unless you want to make spazz music) download some soft synths if you don’t like the ones it comes with

how many prod discords are there

we don't need another discord fuck outta here dood

CRIT MIX
preferably somebody who's into idm and also some harsher stuff

i couldn't think of any reference tracks besides Autechre's gantz graff lmao :(

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Anyone?

why does every fucking general do this? we have this fucking thread. it's always up. this is our 'discord'. if you want to have a name and give people upvotes, fuck off to reddit.

What's the best laptop to get if my main concern is making electronic music and having it be portable and comfortable (slim, maybe metal)? I would mainly be using stuff like Supercollider, Csound, Renoise and Ableton. I'd probably need a lot of ram. Also I'm poor af. How do you think one of those Microsoft surfaces would do for this? I'm really just concerned about being able to sit back in a comfy place and lock in for hours while I program. My current laptop is tied to my desk cause if I hold it wrong it shuts off.

clyp.it/tvd0ileb
TYBG

If you're ever feeling uninspired and that you aren't cut out for music, what documentaries on your favorite artists. Always reminds me "all these people started in their bedrooms" Here's some I like to watch once in a while

youtube.com/watch?v=KrWvB6aiwFg
youtube.com/watch?v=96PfTcGHZ4Q

Can't go wrong with a x220 i5 or i7 variant. Get 8gb ram and you're set. I also suggest getting a genuine lenovo 9 cell battery pack, makes on the go producing nicer. The battery life is like 12 hours.

ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xx220.TRS0&_nkw=x220&_sacat=0

meant for

Neat. Not him (obviously), but I just got an x220 for making electronic music and I'm going to put Win7 on it. I don't know what my battery is, but it's a fat one that has a tube that sticks out behind the laptop.

>Get 8gb ram
uh you mean 16?

You don't need 16gb for music production, a good cpu is more important. Even with a busy file you will hit 3gb-4gb if you're running a debloated windows 7 or any lightwieght linux distro. The 8gb is just for extra headroom.

you can easily go above 8 if you're using recent plugins

I'm not into idm but it sounds really cool I didn't even skipped it through it

The easiest would be to get Reaper. It's "free" in that you can get the full version on a trial period that never ends. After a while it'll do a little popup asking you to buy it but it can be dismissed without issue.
Plenty of good free synth vsts out there, check out all the TAL stuff and Tyrell N6 for starters.

Dam son this is good, how the heck do people do shit like this

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you would like isqa

Did you post this image before and then cause a large discussion about the movie JAWS and shit?

no but a popular forum uses it a lot because the smileys are still stuck in 2010

I like FL Studio!

Where can I find a genius producer who can make music like Frank Ocean or Lil Ugly Mane?

I have a lot of ideas. It would be cool to work with someone.

its not that bad... the piano is nice, but the drums suck

I fuck with lum hard and have made some stuff *influenced* by him/Memphis shit in a more dreamy way

Not really about trying to sound like anybody though.

>ideas
So do you produce or rap orrrr

Both, however I can't execute my ideas well enough as I don't know chords so I'm limited. How long have you been producing for? I don't like Memphis styled prod. I like his OA stuff

>not into Memphis
lol’d. Okay maybe we’re not a match then. I prefer third side and oa over mta by a lot too but three six and all that shit is dope.
I’ve been doing it for a bit over 5 years- Can’t say I’ve ever done anything oa-esque but experimental is definitely my thing lil ugly mane is a huge deal to me so i always respond when people mention him :p

I use mostly u-he soft synths. Bazille, Zebra, and Hive. Eats my cpu more than anything.

yeah that one is a 9 cell. I'd download an application that shows battery health to see if you need a new one.

Wwwell I think you're a dumbass piece of shit who will come begging me for another (you) because I fuck your whole family and you are a soft little cuck nugget....by the way, how about that lily ugly. Mane?

lily ugly. Mane?

>i don't like memphis
Lil Ugly Mane is memphis rap mane. Here's some examples to open your mind to this style

youtube.com/watch?v=RUPiayAdFKw
youtube.com/watch?v=ASZ3EwDhags
youtube.com/watch?v=WND3gAyzO1U

I've heard basically every memphis rap song. I just don't want to make it as I'm British.

If everything is 100% mono, its likely that its too much information at 0° and your workstation will cut out the largest information source which is the bass.
Not sure what else could be the problem but on a semi-related note, don't check your mix in mono because that's not gonna tell you anything at all since volume has to be readjusted after panning anyways.

I like it, reminds me of D'Arcangelo's harsher tracks. Is there stereo separation in the master? Tone it down a bit. It's good when used on specific tracks, not the entire mix.

Message DJ Dubbi. I've sent stems to him but he hasn't gotten back to me.

making music just stresses me the fuck out, i just want it to fucking stop. i keep telling myself to lower the expectations, but i just cant. tough to explain. right now i honestly feel im just competent enough to make some basic ass 10 minute beat, but i want to do more, but i cant. fucking frustrating

Just remember that, in the end, it doesn't even matter.

make music that YOU want to listen to. If you think less is more, then less is more. The music stops when you stop.

... oh :(

thxx dudes (:

>dubstep flashbacks
good rec, this is pretty dope bro

>D'Arcangelo's harsher tracks.
could you link some?

nope, no widening on the master. I was wondering about the stereofield though so i'll mess with that a bit, thanks.

Can someone please explain to me how one is supposed to enjoy harsh noise? Most everyone here seems to like it, but the frequencies cause me pain. I can listen to free jazz and Trout Mask Replica no problem, but that track was unlistenable for me. I can appreciate the effort that goes into sound design, and I can hear the rhythm and arrangement and all the other musical elements, but holistically it sounds like nails on glass. How am I supposed to enjoy that?

Am I missing something? Am I simply a pleb? I want to have an open mind and enjoy as much music as possible.

The method by which music makes you feel things and the method by which it challenges you can vary and they sometimes aren't mutually exclusive. One man's noise or muzak is another man's frisson.

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I'm off the Lexapro, what should my next step be?

take your meds goy

>but the frequencies cause me pain
you mean the high end right?
i finally came back to this track today to mix and ended up taking off the highcuts- still on the fence about it

not liking stuff like that doesn't immediately make you a pleb though.
also trout mask replica is an outdated benchmark for weird/wild/"unlistenable" music, especially considering this is Yea Forums lol
free jazz and all that shit is challenging in a very different way; peoples' tolerance for complex harmony and melody doesn't necessarily translate to noise music or inharmonic timbre etc

>Am I simply a pleb?
You think listening to jazz and Trout Mask Replica makes you hardcore or something so yeah, probably

You're not. Noise artists are sadomasochistic narcissists, and they create their art to cause you discomfort, thus probing their superiority to you whether you like it (offer your praise to me underman, I may accept it) or don't (philistine, you have not ears nor intellect to appreciate my works).
"Noise artists" should be chemically castrated and then an attempt should be made at rehabilitation, with the most recalcitrant lobotomized and assigned jobs as janitorial staff at criminal correctional facilities.

havent opened my daw in like a year
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Still looking for a good vocal pack

cymatics lol

cymatics are jews

how do i make patches that sound like omnisphere

use omnisphere

you have to expand on that if you want a serious answer

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I composed a Folia.

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cool sounds and i dont think the arrangement is that bad

a poor worker blames his tools.
there's absolutely nothing wrong with fl studio.

Cool sound design.
The only thing I'd change is the sound that comes at 2:00, which isn't bad but I don't feel it fits the rest of the "instrumentation".

Also I'm not really into the composition, but I'm not really into this kind of music anyway, so ignore this part.

except for everything and it should be banned

>batch normalize
Still seeking answer

A/s/l?

Fl studio does everything it even writes the track for u

Sorry I already have a cold and don't really want to touch cold water for any reason.

Cheers, my friend also recommended reaper, I've been playing with it a little bit.
Steep beginner curve, but I can see it has a -lot- of potential.

Ignore everyone that suggests anything other than renoise.

poorfag here. Are there any downsides to buying a used iLok on eBay?

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there are different kinds of harsh noise, it can go from harsh noise wall which probably no one listens at home (the appeal is to see the guy making it live) to power electronics which sometimes borders on dark ambient

why the fuck would you bother with that shit?

Just answer the question.

No as long as iLok support account transfers or let you set up a new account, just do your research and make sure you aren’t getting scammed and make sure the licence/account has been transferred to you before parting with your money. I’m sure iLok have a support page and faq page on their website.

Why are developers making so many useless plugins that do the exact same things as a thousand other plugins that already exist?

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Well you say that but try turning up to a building site with your fisher price toolbox and see how that works out for you

Why are producers making so many useless tracks that sound exactly the same as a thousand other tracks that already exist?

Because they think their tracks aren't useless and disposable, since art is somewhat subjective.
But a product for sale isn't subjective at all, so they have no reason to be deluded into thinking it's good (like producers do).
It's just objectively useless.

I have a couple of friends that make harsh noise and it’s not really a genre that I’d sit and listen to often, but sonically it sounds fucking amazing on a big pa.
I think it’s more about sound textures and sonics rather than musically. Try listening to the details in the noise you might enjoy them also play loud

that didn't sound like noise to me, noise is more like CZHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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Try listening to some minimal music, some basic techno, etc. Not everything needs to be complicated to be good.
I gave up trying to make proper music as I soon realised I don’t enjoy composing past a fairly basic point, all my effort goes into sound design, mixer jamming and mixing, because that’s what I enjoy doing.
Just do what you enjoy, if you’re not enjoying it then you really need to ask yourself why you are doing it?

Have a listen to this maybe techno isn’t your thing but it’s pretty basic and can be applied to most genres
music.youtube.com/watch?v=6oSZ83GDzGk

Actually I've been thinking about this a lot.
Why are so many producers content with making "a good song" when there's already a ton that sound basically the same?
Why not try being innovative and making weird shit that nobody has done before?
Sure not everyone is going to succeed, but the result will be far more unique than starting with the goal of being like everyone else.
If it's for money, then surely someone who's unique will have much better chances of succeesing than someone who makes generic music like everyone else, right?

Obviousy I'm not talking about those who lack the skill.
I'm talking about those who do it by choice.

I guess genres are pretty tight and people like to fit into scenes, occasionally an artist will break into new ground and that usually produces a new sub genre that attracts a ton off copycat producers and the loop begins again.
I always find that a bit odd though really, it’s fun to try and make stuff that fits genres and sounds like something else but then I’m not releasing what I make, but generally I’m always trying to create rather than copy someone else.
I’ve never really been a fan of sample packs for that reason, I always think that your base sounds should be personal to yourself and not the same sounds every other producer is using, I know this is looked down upon though.

Exactly.
I love the music that my favourite producers make, but if I copied them I'd only be an inferior knockoff version.
A good middle ground is to copy many styles at the same time by taking just one element from each, so they just become your influences, and if your taste is varied enough the unique combination of elements you're assembling will probably result in something unique.

It’s tricky to be unique now with so much music about and so many people making music.
I really like dub music from the 70’s and 80’s, I also like techno, jungle, field recordings and welcome noise on my signal chains so I guess these are my main influences. Naturally I’m drawn towards dub techno as a producer and it would be easy to copy some of the greats in that genre but like you say why bother, that being said whatever I make probably sounds like something else too.

Again, not everyone will succeed and create a new genre or subgenre, but still having one approach vs the other makes for far more unique music.
The point is that so many producers don't care at all about being unique and make all their music with the goal of being generic.

Hell, I've heard so many producers say "it does the job" or "it's working in the clubs" when talking about their music.

hmm so according to your shit allegory the worlds best builders are rocking fisher price

ripping on a daw is fuck dumb. it's like a painter ripping on a guy for not using the same type of canvas.

ignore this guy

>hmm so according to your shit allegory the worlds best builders are rocking fisher price
?
I'm pretty sure he meant the opposite of what you understood.

im trying to say there are tons of objectively good, successful artists that use fl studio.

Ok.
Is synthesia a good way to get a bit of musical feel, or should I follow some yt tutorials or anything else?
>note: I have limited mobility in my hands, can barely use my right fingers except thumb, left are all usable but limited in range (arthritis)

I think the other thing is what gets most of us going from listener to wanting to produce which is usually a love of certain artists music and thinking “I’d like to be able to make something like that”.

If new producers stayed away from the standard
>get daw favourite artist uses
>download genre relevant vengeance sample pack
>watch YouTube video for how to make relevant music genre
Things might get a bit more varied, who knows.

Name one

I agree but this post is retarded.

>ripping on a daw is fuck dumb
So why did the creators name it Fruity Loops if they wanted it to be taken seriously?

>I agree but this post is retarded.
Typical Fruity Loop user, nuff said

so your issue with it is the name?
really? how do i take YOU seriously?

pretty cool

his analogy was retarded

image-line.com/flstudio/powerusers.php

No it wasn't.
You just misunderstood it.

Anyway so to summarize just ignore the faggots talking shit about fl studio. No respectable musician has ever said anything about the program. For good reason :)

>No respectable musician has ever said anything about the program
How do you know that?
Do you have some kind of source to back your claim or you just made it up?

let me break it down

he's saying using fl studio is like showing up to a building site with fisher price

i just ran with it to point out hot stupid it was and said if this is the case then the worlds best builders (ie successful musicians) are using fisher price (fl studio)

not that fucking complicated

i meant anything bad
but yeah i mean i'd love to hear a proper criticism of the software. but so far it's just been "loops eww" from literal nobodies

When they made fruity loops they named it that for a reason, marketing. Pretty much all other professional audio software back then was serious stuff marketed at audio engineers and professionals, Fruity loops makers decided there was a gap in the market to intice the idiots and dj’s that didn’t have the I.Q to use a proper daw and marketed their product at them. Calling something a stupid name, putting a fruit as your logo and marketing it at a certain type of person will attracts a certain type of customer. Obviously there are exceptions...

this says nothing about the music making capability of the software which is what we should be discussing here. not the fucking name or marketing strategy of the company that makes it i mean what the fucking christ

by the lack of comments/listens I assume it's shit?

>i just ran with it to point out hot stupid it was and said if this is the case then the worlds best builders (ie successful musicians) are using fisher price (fl studio)
Ah sorry, I misunderstood you because of the ridiculous assumption that this post was based on (the best producers are using FL Studio).
How could you expect anyone to not only believe such a ridiculous idea, but to also take it into consideration while reading your analogy?
Especially considering how you ran with the original guy's analogy but then switched its meanng to match your point.

It's the same logic that kids use when arguing what's best:
>Air Jordans are the best basketball shoes, and those shitty Lavarr Ball ones are like Fisher Price toys
>well, then the best players are using fisher price toys
(assuming for no reason that the best players wear Lavarr Ball shoes)

>blue is the best color for boys, and pink is only liked by girls. try saying you like pink and people are gonne call you a girl
>hmm so according to your shit allegory the worlds strongest boys get called girls
(assuming for no reason that the strongest boys wear pink)
See how ridiculous it sounds?

It sounds good, like a Metroid soundtrack, but it's not really my jam. It's also kind of long and repetitive?

firstly, fuck your whore mother.
i didn't switch the meaning, and it's not a ridiculous assumption. it's not an assumption at all. go look at the facts.

anyway i guess some people just never really evolve past "stop liking what i dont like". just kind of pathetic to see but whatever im over it. do what you need to if it makes you feel better about your choices.

>terrible PDC that causes things to go out of time and to phase.
>lack of a scripting system like on Logic, Cubase, Reaper, Ableton (with M4L, which allows full DSP capabilities and even lets you create full plugins with ease).
>by far the worst community out of all DAWs, to the point where it's impossible to find proper information or resources because almost everyone is a noob or a trap retard, as almost everyone who's knowledgeable has moved to Ableton or Logic.
>its plugins are sold as separate VSTs so you can just use them in other DAWs if you like them, which is more reason to use something else since you can have the best of both worlds this way.
>messy as fuck and slow convoluted workflow that makes you click three times as much as other DAWs for basic shit.

Also, not really important but
>ugly and cluttered interface.

what is the best DAW for classical instruments?, recording, midi, etc

what about PT ?

What about it?

thanks this is the kind of reply i was hoping for.
so just out of curiousity, what do you use?
is cubase dying out because it used to be so popular, but now i don't see anyone using or talking about it anymore?

on the community note, i think inthemix is probably one of the best channels for production and fl studio specifically.

and things like interface/workflow are super subjective. i personally like the interface more than that of other daws.

it's all about what you feel comfy with.

>go look at the facts
Please spoonfeed me because I can't find them.
All I see is this page
>image-line.com/flstudio/powerusers.php
Which has a handful of actually good producers and a ton of no-names, and screams:
>look guys, Fruity Loops is a serious program, GUYS, look at all the PROS that use it
Pathetic. Imagine if another company like Avid or Ableton did the same lmao.

>anyway i guess some people just never really evolve past "stop liking what i dont like". just kind of pathetic to see but whatever im over it. do what you need to if it makes you feel better about your choices.
I use FL Studio too you retard.
I'm just saying that your argument is retarded and you're a moron.
Nothing to do with the program itself (I even agreed with you here that some good producers use it).
Just because I like using it doesn't mean that I have to pretend that it's not mostly used by bad producers, and that the vast majority of the top producers aren't using something else.

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>inthemix
Used to follow him but unsubbed because he made me feel insecure about my facial bone structure

is it good? bad? what does it lacks? whats best in PT ?

Product design is subjective too user. Think about how hardware synths and even midi controllers are designed, the form factor has an impact on people. Software plugins are just a digital form of that. Even if the UI is exactly the same, the backend could be different and alter the sound.
Not everything has to push boundaries for it to be good. Sometimes you just want to consume more of a certain thing

how do i get cool sound i can make good beats but ive just been using serum and patches off splice but they arent as good as omnisphere and shit, im in the process of learning sound design but i sure cant make high quality shit

you do realize good / bad is subjective so arguing over whether good / bad producer uses which software is a fucking pointless exercise?

the point here should be a simple one. is fl studio capable of making industry-grade music? yes or no. the answer is yes. there is a lot of proof out there. whether more BAD producers use it is a fucking retarded metric to focus on and also completely misses the point.

>you do realize good / bad is subjective so arguing over whether good / bad producer uses which software is a fucking pointless exercise?
That's what I should tell you, since you're the one who keeps saying "the best producers use FL".

>the point here should be a simple one. is fl studio capable of making industry-grade music? yes or no. the answer is yes. there is a lot of proof out there.
Nice goalpost moving.

>whether more BAD producers use it is a fucking retarded metric to focus on and also completely misses the point.
Oh, NOW it's a retarded metric lmao.

>so just out of curiousity, what do you use?
Used to use FL, now I'm on Ableton for those reasons.

>is cubase dying out because it used to be so popular, but now i don't see anyone using or talking about it anymore?
Watching tutorials by people who use it, I heard "used to use Cubase back in the day so I just kept using it; no reason to switch", as if they felt the need to justify not switching to something more hip like Ableton or something.
It's been overtaken by other DAWs (I think because recent versions are impossible to pirate, with all the implications of that), but it's still a very valid program.

>on the community note, i think inthemix is probably one of the best channels for production and fl studio specifically.
True.
I'm still subbed to a few FL Studio producers. There certainly are competent producers who use it and make tutorials for it, but sadly they're exceptions.

>and things like interface/workflow are super subjective. i personally like the interface more than that of other daws.
True. I should've specified that.

>it's all about what you feel comfy with
Sure, but some times you'd be sacrificing actual functionality for comfiness, which frankly isn't a very comfy thing.

It's very good, and you can make all kinds of music with it, but it's more geared towards "traditional" music making (recording, mixing, mastering) and when it comes to making electronically-produced music it falls short of what more electronic-oriented DAWs can do on that front.
What music do you make (or want to make)?

>That's what I should tell you, since you're the one who keeps saying "the best producers use FL".
i was humoring the other guy

>Nice goalpost moving.
no that was my point all along if you pay attention. instead of talking about the capabilities you dickshits resort to "shit name" "shit icon" "shit userbase".

the latter is the real issue here. you retards are not judging the software by what it can do, but by its typecasted user. pathetic and NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!! NOT EVER!!!!!!!

I want to make classical music, but I am not good at playing instruments, so everything I do is in MIDI, I use Reason 10, but I want to optimize my work with a DAW.

But it does have the shittiest user base. I even said at the end of my post obviously there are exceptions

>Product design is subjective too user. Think about how hardware synths and even midi controllers are designed, the form factor has an impact on people. Software plugins are just a digital form of that.
That's merely a sales and marketing thing.
Nobody needs a new product that does the same thing as something that they already own but with a different look. They only buy i because they fall for their impulses and get tricked by marketing.

>Even if the UI is exactly the same, the backend could be different and alter the sound.
If the UI is the same but it works differently, then sure, its differences could be of value.
But if all it does is its own flavor of the same thing that a million other products do, would this tiny difference warrant its purchase?
I mean, how many SSL compressor emulations do we need?

>Not everything has to push boundaries for it to be good.
Didn't say it's bad. Just generic and pointless.
I'm not advocating for every artist to push boundries and make new genres. Only to at least TRY to be more unique.

>Sometimes you just want to consume more of a certain thing
The EXACT thing?
Why not an artist's personal flavor of that thing?

/prod/ - hyperbole edition

yeah but does userbase have any bearing on the quality of a product? no. ok then. moving on.

fucking seriously switch your brain on

>i was humoring the other guy
No, you actually argued that point.

>no that was my point all along if you pay attention. instead of talking about the capabilities you dickshits resort to "shit name" "shit icon" "shit userbase".
I told you from the start that I'm not part of that discussion (I personally like it a lot), and I'm just talking about your argument.
Yeah, criticizing the software for attributes unrelated to the software itself is dumb, we get it.

Sorry, I can't be of much help here.
Watch a bunch of YT videos of people composing on a computer and try the demo of those.
Btw Reason is a perfectly good DAW too, but I don't know about its functionality when it comes to classical compositions.
I assume you'd want something with sheet notation capabilities, right?
Have you considered using a normal notation program like Finale or Sibelius (and then import the midi into a DAW to produce the song)?

Holy shit I'm convinced.
Where can I torrent the latest version?

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If I decide to get a legit version of FL Studio, can I still use cracked vst's in it? expecting to have to reinstall them again of course

I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to bet that yes you can, as they're two unrelated programs with two unrelated piracy protection systems.

How can you not love this man?

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I want to come back to composing music and playing electronics keyboard but I'm a wageslave living in trented rooms in a third world country now, how do I avoid my gear to be stolen? Should I just don't bother? I gave up music a long time ago because hauling instruments while not living with your parents is troublesome

Don't know how feasible this is, but couldn't you just have a computer and a cheap midi keyboard and headphones?
Do you already have a computer or is that at risk of being stolen too?

i humoured him while arguing with him it's possible ok.
the reason i didn't name any artist is because it's pointless i just didn't say it at the time.
but what i was trying to say with linking that page is there are a number of really good producers using it. you can "make it" with fl studio. whether you like their music or not is another matter.

getting back to real talk i've used ableton, cubase, reason, and fl studio. i remember ditching fruity loops for reason 16 years ago. reason was just way cooler for some reason. since then a lot has happened but i recently installed fl studio again and i just really dig it. it might be more pandered towards beginners but that in itself doesn't make it bad. a lot of the argument come across like gatekeeping, like na you gotta be REAL MUSIC BRU or IT HAS TO BE HARD or somehow ONLY USE THIS DAW fucking logic that doesn't really make sense to me. like i'm super for real arguments about it's limitations like made. that's actually interesting. but for people picking up production fl studio and its ease of use should be encouraged. and that's where a lot of these daw battles stem from. beginners asking for recommendations. settled people don't need advice on it. so we should just keep that in mind.

>However nothing I do to the m/s EQ seems to fix it, any Ideas?
Because you have no mid information. Use a stereofield/spread plugin and put it to 0%

lol fuck you retards im gonna go make some music

based

Digital Performer

>i humoured him while arguing with him it's possible ok.
You argued it against me as well, since, as you say here:
>what i was trying to say with linking that page is there are a number of really good producers using it. you can "make it" with fl studio. whether you like their music or not is another matter
It actually is part of your argument to prove that good and successful producers use it.
But it's still not a valid argument because someone being successful with a program doesn't mean that that program is good, since there are so many variables that affect someone's success.
For example, Burial got famous making music with Soundforge. Does that mean that using Soundforge is a good choice?
It is said that Justice made Cross (generally considered to be one of the best electronic music album in recent times) using Garage Band (which is certainly possible with that kind of music). Does that make Garage Band a good program?

When defining something as "good" or "bad", we do so by establishing some parameters first, and since things don't exit in a vacuum, good and bad is always intended in reference to other comparable options.
If DubTurbo was the only existing DAW it would not only be good. It would be the best.
But the fact that other much better programs exist, make it what's generally known as a shit joke of a DAW.
So yeah, while FL is definitely capable of making good music, you can only judge IT by comparing it to its competitors (judgement where I think it does pretty well, but that's irrelevant), not by saying "it does the job for some people so it's good", because the same can be said about a lot of objectively bad programs and tools in every field.

>getting back to real talk [...]
I agree. People misjudge it because of its reputation (which carried over from not too long ago where FL actually sucked a lot) as well as its userbase, but it being easier for beginners can actually affect your experience using it because of the terrible community.

>is cubase dying out because it used to be so popular, but now i don't see anyone using or talking about it anymore?
It got the best DRM, so plebs are kept out and only pros use it
>whats best in PT ?
Audio editing and recording, that's what people use it for

Again, Digital Performer

>a literal who wearing babies-first-sport-jacket

i get what you're saying yeah.
but the fact that it's getting chosen by many successful artists when they have so many choices surely also holds some weight.

and if the quality of the end result is on par, does the process even really matter?

>a literal who
I bet you don't even have a girlfriend.

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LMAO
I'm not into this stupid daw beef but this is DP's list

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>but the fact that it's getting chosen by many successful artists when they have so many choices surely also holds some weight.
But the other options are getting chosen by just as many (if not more) good and successful artists, so the only thing that page says is that it's not bad. For this to have weight it should be the choice of more successful artists than the competition.
Besides, the popularity itself isn't necessarily a good metric either, since both FL and Ableton are mainly popular because of how easy they are to pirate (so beginners could start making music for free, and when they got famous they just didn't switch).
So sure, FL is good enough that people stay with it and can use it to make excellent music, but "it's used by successful producers therefore it's good" is both an appeal to authority and an argumentum ad populum fallacy (for the reasons I explained above and here ).

>and if the quality of the end result is on par, does the process even really matter?
If it is, then mostly not (assuming your priority is the end result, as different people might care about different things).
But what if it isn't? What if those people never picked FL up and used something else instead? Maybe their music would be better or maybe it would be worse, who knows.
All we know is that they CAN make good music, just like there are people who can do that with objectively terrible software, so who knows.

And I don't really think those are the best producers in the world. Among the most insane technically and musically talented producers who make super complex there are users of all kinds of DAWs but I don't see many in that list that fit this description. I mostly see Hip Hop and EDM guys.

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any feedback

Is this good or bad?

For the past week or so, Ableton is using way more CPU than usual on my computer, did anything change with the updates?
I also updated Win10 since it was harrassing me, wasn't there a problem with the last major update too? (I remember people were complaining about it 6 months ago, but I forgot why)

>Howard Shore
>John Adams
>Danny Elfman

Any free alternatives to Fruity Loops that you guys use?

this is the first time I hear about that DAW. Nice list, but it's old, so these people probably moved on to something else since then

Yes.
A torrent of Fruity Loops.

did ableton copy them or is it the other way around?

>but it's old
so is cubase and logic, point?
>so these people probably moved on
why should they? It's industry standard for composers and it's perfectly fine for any other genre.

Also DP is easy as fuck to pirate
God bless R2R

I just had a look at it, you're probably right, it looks pretty modern

What are your favorite lesser-known plugin devs?
I follow Puremagnetik, Madrona Labs, Tritik and Unfiltered Audio.

I used to like Audio Damage but I didn't use it much since I stopped pirating shit

what's the selling point of daws like digital performer and sonar/bandlab?

...

The Tracks/Sequence view is a bit blocky but I like that, precision over fancy UI. I liked to use PT for mixing but really not anymore, DP does everything I need. Don't bother to check the alternative themes tho. YOu can also make or edit your own themes. Made myself a nice white scrubber.
Quickscribe (midi into notation and vice versa), very low idle usage, can handle as many instances of kontakt as your pc can handle, best audio-video sync stuff (hence used by composers)
I was using Cubase before they gone hardcore DRM so I was looking for something similar and since I don't have a MAC for logic I found DP, which was MAC only at some point too. And btw, I started on fruity loops when I was like 16 or so making crappy beats, something very usual.

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Anyone who uses anything other than renoise is a pleb

Anyone who uses anything is a pleb

>Why are producers making so many useless tracks that sounds the exact same as a thousand other tunes that already exist?

...

How do I make chromatic passages that sound cool like some Chopin shit instead of pieces of dissonant garbage?

sound-guru.com/

Anyone not using hardware sequencers is a pleb

A guy named Janus Lynggaard Thorborg makes a great signal analyzer.
jthorborg.com/index.html?ipage=signalizer
(click on Binary Downloads to go to the download page)

ur mom is a pleb

Inear Display, Hvoya Audio, CodeFN42, apulSoft, and oeksound

youtube.com/watch?v=LtCffqv1hMU

wow even busyworksbeats hates fl studio now!!!

I lasted exactly one second.
Does he stop moaning after that? I don't have the balls to check.

yes

>when you transpose the audio it has a natural formanty sound to it which sounds good
>transposes in Beats mode (which does nothing to the formants, unlike other modes, and cuts and loops each portion to fit the desired length, which sounds like shit with vocals)

yes i cringed as well. he was hovering over it as well, i was hoping he would change it.. but no.

youtube.com/watch?v=GzflmjctXb0

everytime he moans about something stupidly simple which takes 2 seconds to google. fuck sake

dont have any moment where there is an overly dissonant chord...

Your whole family are plebs

lmao why do you even make music no one will listen to it

Good on him for being open minded and positive about a new DAW but jesus he could've watched a 10 minutes tutorial on Ableton's interfate so he can at least know where things are.

>Elfman
ABORT ABORT

I hate the bass, it doesn't sound fulfilling enough and it just lays there, and all your silences infuriate me.

everything he moans about FL studio can't do either, or ableton can do and he doesn't know how

Where do I find a good producer to execute my vision?

The nearest mirror.
Believe in yourself user.

Maybe read Hindemith's Craft of Musical Composition. Don't buy a copy unless you really like having a book to hold, the print quality of the current publisher is garbage.
I just checked and there is a pdf for free online but it's an inherently sketchy .ru so I'm not even gonna try to post it here.

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ill execute you

Shoot me an email here:
[email protected]

Bro can you please stop shitposting and being such a dick? You make the thread not comfy :/

We're at least 3 different people.
Just letting you know.

sugma

I disagree, I wouldn't feel comfy in a thread without shitposting.

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>Bro can you please stop whining and being such a wimp? You make the thread not comfy :/

Who god tier ambient and textures here?

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Ok, so I got it up and running, and I'd like to actually try to learn a bit about music & proper playing.
Problem is, my hands are fucked from arthritis (rheumatoid, so proper fucked). My left can reach about an octave, but that doesn't leave much room for the fingers in between to move. I can use all of the fingers relatively well, they just don't stretch or bend all the way. My right hand is a lot worse, and I can only use the thumb, and the knuckle of my ring finger, to press keys, very little side to side movement is possible without moving my whole arm, range is about 5 keys wide.
Where do I start to lean how to do/read basic music, that isn't too dry & theoretical, and that I can manage with my limited mobility? Suggestions for YT courses and the like are welcome. So far I know nothing, all I have is a love for music & basic sense of rhythm.

The 4-note loop that starts at the very beginning is very repetitive, which is fine in the mix with all the other sounds, but when it's almost soloed at the beginning it's too boring (mainly because the notes follow a steady rhythm).

Also the thing where the sound cuts off seems like it's happening way too often, but I'm not sure without hearing it with the vocals.
Usually this effect is employed to accentuate a part of the lyrics and bring attention to it. If it happens too much it doesn't bring attenton to anything because it becomes a normal feature of the song, and being a very drastic effect it can be a bit jarring to hear so often.

When the first 808 hits there's some other sound that plays with it (slightly offset), which makes it hit less hard and makes it sound a bit more "messy" if that makes sense.
If that's the intended effect, then keep it. If it's an accident, consider changing the drum programming, or aligning the waveforms.

Other than that sounds good.

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if you've ever touched a Roland TR-808, you're not a musician.

Other than FL, Ableton, and Reaper which DAW's are worth checking out?

Audacity

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How do you make Wall of sound?

Understand everything taught here:
youtube.com/watch?v=TEjOdqZFvhY

renoise

What sort of thing are you trying to create/write?

If you are wanting to make electronic music then you could start with monophonic synths and play in drum patterns for a start that will give you a basic start with lots to learn from that as a base?

FL has really nice stock plugins. Even the stuff that isn't in the bundle you buy is usable. If you just open the demo plugin, do what you want with it, then record that audio into the Edison, then you've basically just used the plugin without buying it. Doing that process is kinda annoying tho and impacts workflow, but it's still cool to be able to use a bunch of plugins for free. Also FL has free lifetime updates.

Logic Pro

>What sort of thing are you trying to create/write?
I have no idea to be honest. Being able to read & play some music would be great. I'm trying synthesia for a bit, but I don't feel like I'm learning anything beside how to play that specific song in that game.

maybe some the instruments but the effects are garbage tier

any good tips on how to make dino synth?
youtu.be/a-z7fNEsALA

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I was just him,OMG in my reply that it sounded like you wanted to learn how to play keyboard. I’m not a keyboard player but if you have limited movement in your fingers then this may well prove to be a big problem for you, maybe try looking up some keyboard chords and see if you can (physically) play them?
You posted in a music production thread though so if you are interested in that then you can learn other aspects of production and anything you can’t physically play you can either record in individually or just draw into the piano roll in the daw

Get a general midi synth.

cheers

Why yes, I own mutable instruments clouds

I have two interfaces- a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 and an older Apogee Ensemble FireWire (borrowed from work). I’d like to connect these two interfaces to expand my I/O

My 2012 MacBook Pro has one FireWire, one thunderbolt in. Both interfaces are FireWire. I figured since the saffire is newer, I’d use it as the master interface (ensemble is all but obsolete software wise- definitely not getting updated). I have the ensemble connected to it via ADAT optical cable. On Maestro, I’ve got the routing in the Ensemble’s standalone mode routed correctly (Input 1->ADAT 1, Input 2->ADAT 2...). So I unplug the maestro, open up Saffire Mix Control, and getting lots and lots of sporadic clicks in the ADAT channels when The Saffire is set to internal clock. If I change clock source to ADAT, it’s drastically better, but still pops and jitters some. If I go on maestro and change the ensembles clock source to external or ADAT/optical, and change the Saffire to Internal Clock, it no longer sends signal when in standalone mode (not connected to FireWire). What’s going on here? Am I doing something wrong?

By setting the focusrite’s clock to ADAT, is that making the ensemble the master clock? If I try to change the Ensembles clock to optical/ADAT, my focusrite no longer picks up the ADAT channels from the Ensemble.

Tl;dr- what is the correct way to set up two FireWire Interfaces via ADAT, taking into consideration I only have one FireWire input. Do both interfaces have to be connected to the computer for this to work, and what clock settings do I need to have?

you need the adat to connect bi.directionally, means you need an additional toslink cable to run back, because even through you're not routing audio back you need to provide a clock for the second interface, which would normally just be done with wordclock, but since none of these has it you need the bitclock in a digital line

your master interface then is set to internal clock and the other one is set to get clock from adat in, otherwise it can't provide a signal that's in sync

Good lad, I hope you have rings too

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do you like the melody / mixing?

Sweet, that was one hypothesis I had- guess I didn’t do enough digging. Thanks!

How do producers like Blanck Mass make their synths "sparkly" despite being harsh?
I'm pretty sure it's just layering but i have no idea how to achieve that sound

Could you give us a specific example please?

youtube.com/watch?v=L9sq6comdYU

That's not layering, it's just a separate high pitched sound.

New thread?

you go girl

I'd make one myself but I won't.

yea but it's kind of like an arpeggio but also not

me neither

It's either an arpeggio or an lfo (something like a pulse or a descending saw to create the hits) with something that makes the notes/hits pan left and right (a billion different ways of doing this).

new

Just kidding, I made one