Different kind of Christgau thread

Ramones were 60s throwback rather than 50s, they grew up with the Beach Boys and British Invasion and were paying homage to them.

Are you retarded? Have you heard NY Dolls? Ramones? Sex Pistols? They all do 50s music just more plodding, simpler, and with more distortion. Also if you actually read a book, every single one of them talked about wanting to bring back old fashioned rock'n'roll in the face of the AOR stuff happening at the time.

Stephen Stills (vocals)
John Lodge (bass)
Michael Giles (drums)
Neal Schon (guitar)
Rick Wakeman (keyboards)

Does he even like music? It seems like coming up with one sentence putdowns was just an ideal career for an autistic hippie INTP.

Those guys liked to talk 50s. Bruce Springsteen did too. But they were in grade school during 50s rock and roll and it didn't really influence them, their formative experiences with music were 60s bands and you can hear a lot of circa 1965 Stones in those bands.

It does seem like he has has utter loathing for CSN and all three of the individuals that comprise it.They made "socially conscious" music so I would think he would be all over them since to him the idea of music is supposed to be containing the threat of the straight white male

>vocals: Geddy Lee
>rhythm guitar: Tony Iommi
>lead guitar: Kirk Hammett
>drums: Carl Palmer
>bass: Gene Simmons

He hates California rock in general unless it's the Dead.

Through the Fire [Geffen, 1984]
Take it easy, it's only corporate metal. No need to get upset at these four grizzled dildos. Still, you'd at least hope their merger would produce a good name for a law firm. D-

Lou Gramm: Vocals
Lyrics: James Taylor
Guitar: Mick Mars
Bass: Glenn Cornick
Drums: Phil Collins

Don Henley (vocals)
Sammy Hagar (guitar)
Steve Harris (bass)
Aynsley Dunbar (drums)

Sure, in that sense you are right. But they were into 50s music, they just never lived it. The same way that XTC was never really around to have lived through the Beatles because they were children, but that doesn't stop them from basically doing a Beatles cover album.

Yeah he really needs to show us on the doll where Steve Stills touched him.

Stephen Stills is like one of the most singularly talented musicians of that generation (gifted guitarist, songwriter, arranger, multi-instrumentalist, and producer), he must have fucked Christgau's girl at Woodstock or something

Maybe Christgau didn't get a backstage pass or something.

Stephen Stills 2 [Atlantic, 1971]
Stills has always come on as the ultimate rich hippie--arrogant, self-pitying, sexist, shallow. Unfortunately, he's never quite fulfilled this artistic potential, but now he's approaching his true level. Flashes of brilliant ease remain--the single, "Marianne," is very nice, especially if you don't listen too hard to the lyrics--but there's also a lot of stuff on order of an all-male chorus with jazzy horns singing "It's disgusting" in perfect tuneful unison, and straight, I swear. Keep it up, SS--it'll be a pleasure to watch you fail. C

>Stills has always come on as the ultimate rich hippie--arrogant, self-pitying, sexist, shallow.
so much projection

I hope he got punched at least once by someone he wrote reviews like this against, I'm sure he went to parties frequented by actual musicians.

Stills was also born in Texas, professed hatred for hippies, and attended military school.

He auditioned for the Monkees actually but they rejected him for being too ugly.

Chuck Berry said Wire and Joy Division sounded like a Howlin Wold jam session

The Amazing Jeckel Brothers [Island, 1999]
Refreshing for white guys, especially white guys as dumb as these two, to complain about the slave owner on the dollar bill--simpleminded, but an act of cultural nonconformity nonetheless. Cool to give away a special-offer CD where you rap over stolen gangsta tracks, too. But when a real gangsta's bitch fucks his homey he kills everybody in sight. These kiss-offs just kill the girl, every chance they get. And though they claim clown, they rarely get funnier than "I'd cut my head off but then I would be dead," and that on the cut everybody uses to prove how dumb they are. Personally, I think saying fuck 93 times in one song is a riot. Tell Fatboy Slim the news. C+

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>I'm sure he did, but in his case it was just like boomers saying hip-hop is the new rock.
Billie is the new Nirvana
t.Dave Grohl

Probably wouldn't have fit in for other reasons, playing in a manufactured pop band that didn't write its own songs clearly wasn't his speed

Yeah music can make strange bedfellows, for example Roger McGuinn is a big Republican and loathed hippies back then. He's said "[David Crosby] has quite the opposite beliefs from me. This has led to some...interesting conversations between us."

I don't think anyone hated hippies more than Bob Dylan, let alone have them think he was their spirit guide.

Yeah people didn't really seem to understand that Dylan wanted the American Dream the same way that the previous generation did. He wanted the white picket fence, kids, and a beautiful wife. Music is a job.

Lyl Cuckgau hates David Crosby even more than Steve Stills.

It's harder to blame him for hating David Crosby to be honest. He was always the weak link in whatever group he was a part of, and there's probably a reason that none of the people he made music with will even talk to him anymore.

It's weird because in a 1968 column he complimented the Jefferson Airplane tune "Triad" which Crosby wrote and he loved the Byrds in their heyday, yet two years later he was giving If Only I Could Remember My Name a D minus.

Denied backstage pass at a CSN show or one of them did his girlfriend? Lyl.

The Byrds sound was basically McGuinn and Gene Clark, if anything he might have hated Crosby since he drove Clark out of the group before getting kicked out himself

1. The Byrds were primarily Roger McGuinn's group and 2. He only wrote Triad and Airplane were the ones who arranged and performed it, not him. None of that reflects on DC's abilities as a standalone artist.

Also on that note, Christgau was always a bit skeptical of Jefferson Airplane and he said their post-1974 output confirmed what he suspected all along (ie. we're only in it for the money). He thinks Crown of Creation (which Triad was on) was their one true masterwork.

Let's be honest. That music video for "Hero" from Crosby's Thousand Roads was one of the douchiest things ever and you'd be hard pressed not to want to punch him in the face after watching it.

>makes it sound like he was just a victim of the Man and it totally wasn't his fault he did time on drug and weapons charges for being a total piece of shit

He really is complete garbage as a human being, and only slightly better as a musician. He was born into a wealthy and influential family so he was probably ready to have everything handed to him in life from the moment he set forth from the womb.

He somehow pissed off Graham Nash (who loved him so much that when Crosby was in the throes of addiction and wanted to sell his rights to his music to buy drugs he bought them so he wouldn't lose them forever) to the extent that Nash wants nothing to do with him ever again.

James Chance as the frontman

George Harrison's wife recounted that when they were visiting California (aside from how Harrison was a bit repelled at what he found in Haight-Ashbury), that David Crosby invited them to a pool party at his place and asked them if they wanted to skinny dip with him and they were like "Uh...thanks but no thanks m8."

What clued you in? Grace Slick peddling her schlocky paintings of white rabbits and Jimi Hendrix? She was born into a privileged family and had been a model, so if her music career didn't pan out, it wouldn't result in her sleeping on the pavement anyway.

Crosby pulled in a lot of poon for a fat manlet with a prematurely receding hairline

Also Steve Stills and Graham Nash had a threesome with Rita Coolidge which was most likely how such an amazingly mediocre singer as her got a record deal.

CSN made really good music on occasion but they really did typify the worst indulgences and egomania of that generation that eventually resulted in the birth of punk

Yeah yeah the bloated California soft rock triple albums that became stale and tired by 1976. Punk was really just an inevitable generational shift anyway as the first Gen Xers started buying music and didn't care about 60s flower power nonsense.

Higher and Higher is not a bad cover and I kind of like it actually but it's the backing band and some great production that makes the song, not her snoozefest vocals.

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>conducted by Frank Zappa

The Backdoor Wolf [Chess, 1973]
There's more talent in this sixty three year old's large intestine than passes through Sunset Recorders in a month. Do you think Steve Stills could come up with something as clever as "Coon in the Moon" and turn it into an ironic cry of pride? The wolf hasn't been in this fine a form in years. Suggestion: Get rid of the electric piano. A-

Also what is it with him and James Taylor?

The reviews explained it. James Taylor was a privileged rich kid pretending to be a down home country boy and his voice was annoying (which it is).

Source? Like everyone says that in every thread but nobody has provided me with an actual link/evidence.