I know shit about rap music, never could get into it

Imagine reading "white people shouldn't speak on black genres" and getting "white people aren't allowed to rap" from it because your mind has been so raped by /pol/itics.

>over four centuries of exclusively Europeans composing and performing classical music does not intrinsically tie it to the white race
>four decades of rap does

>rap isn't black music
Nothing you say is ever gonna justify this retarded point of view. You know that, right?

we all have ears user, what the fuck does that even mean?So black people can’t criticize shitty rock music because they’re black? Go sit with the niggers if you’re gonna be a high and mighty faggot about the topic

You said my mind was raped, all I did was justify my point of view and fire back. Why are /pol/acks so sensitive? You get triggered by literally everything.
>black people can't criticize rock music
I never implied this, stop twisting my words or I'm not gonna engage in any further discourse with you.

I’m not even that user or /pol/ack but your argument is retarded so I’m responding to it. You said rap music wasn’t made for white people, so by your own logic anytime a black person shits on metal and rock music their opinion is nullified because it’s “not their music”

Understand your own stupid logic yet brainlet?

Anyone can commentate on rock music you fucking retard. It isn't even close to being the same thing lmfao

I won't go into how rock and metal both evolved from black music. Rap is uniquely tied to race because it evolved from black culture and is made by and for black people. There are exceptions like the Beastie Boys, Bubba Sparxxx, and Eminem, but that's just what they are, exceptions. Your comparison is not apt because rock and metal are genres made by and for people of all races, with exceptions made for subgenres like white power metal, RAC and national socialist black metal.

I'm saying classical music IS intrinsically tied to the white race thats all.

>it’s not the same thing because I said so

Figures you’d be that much of faggot lmao

It's a form of poetry. It's not even a type of music.

If your music is so narrow minded it’s only “accessible” by the race of the people who created it then it’s shitty music. At least you didn’t go into the black music created metal and rock bit, I’d of completely ignored your reply

Retarded and non-productive take, not gonna reply anymore if you keep pushing this.
Classical music originated in white countries but to say its intrinsically white would be like saying peanut butter is intrinsically black because it was invented by a black man.

hip-hop is the biggest genre right now, every single ethnic group likes it

Have you analyzed the lyrics of any popular rap songs? Allusions to anti-white groups like the 5 Percent Nation are common in albums released by artists commonly well-liked by white people, MF DOOM for example.

Or a lot of public enemy songs for that matter? Difference is I’ve actually listened to enough rap to be critical of it, that other faggot whining it’s not made for white people is wrong. The argument should be if you haven’t listened to it you have no room to speak but it’s perfectly acceptable to not like rap if you’ve tried it is my point

Turning it into a racial thing is brainlet tier thinking, all good music is listenable regardless of background

Wut? What makes rap intrinsically black then?

>If your music is so narrow minded it’s only “accessible” by the race of the people who created it then it’s shitty music.
To you, yes, and that's fine. It's not for you anyway. There's a lot of white people shit I'd consider not accessible to me and my worldview.

>still using the it’s not for you argument
You can use that line all you want you’re still wrong and dumb

how about i can speak about whatever topic i want and you literally LITERALLY cant do a thing about it

user, you're replying to that other faggot. Let's not turn this into a dick measuring contest, I'm sure we've all listened to a lot of rap. We just have different views on race, how it divides people, and what constitutes one's authority to criticize a genre of music.
Don't strawman my thinking, it's really fatiguing having to constantly restate my original point in every post. Rap was invented by black people, evolved with black culture, and is made by and for black people, barring the obvious exceptions like Eminem, the Beastie Boys, and Kid Frost. Peanut butter happened to be invented by a black man, but peanut butter didn't evolve with black culture and wasn't made specifically for black people, unlike the majority of rap.
You can do whatever you want but you cant stop me from judging you for it.

spicy bait user

I wasnt baiting, if you'd read the thread you'd have seen the long, well thought out debate me and the other posters itt have been having on this topic. Care to join the discussion instead of just shitposting?

There is no authority to criticize music beyond your personal preferences to what you like. What you consider good music is your own jurisdiction based on what subjectively is good. Saying music is dependent on the background however really doesn’t help your argument it’s not at least repetitive and pedantic. Metal covers a lot of subjects and topics all while using instruments and vocals they create themselves to form the music. Rap is hindered on being “by black people for black people” and even then it still only covers a certain aspect of that culture

Literally every single reason you give for rap being black applies to classical music. All of them.

>music only made for white people
western art music I suppose...

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Name one black composer across four centuries.

I don't even agree that critique can't cross racial-lines, but to say that Western Art music isn't intrinsically European is the height of ignorance.

Geographic limitations to who a form of art like Classical reaches are different than the creator of a rap song making the song with black people in mind. Now that people aren't just limited to the music that's played in their homeland, classical is popular with people from a wide variety of races, asians for example.
>Authority to critique is based on personal taste and nothing more
I would argue this is true of any genre other than rap because of its intrinsic ties to race and because of its ties to race politics. Not that we should make it illegal for white people to critique rap, just that it is in poor taste for them to do so.

>creator of a rap song making the song with black people in mind
I'm confused. I thought they made it with money in mind.

Money is the motive, black people are the intended audience.

>Geographic limitations
okay then
Name one non-white composer
>Classical is popular with people from a wide variety of races
Rap is literally the most popular genre among all races.

And rap is popular with people from a wide variety of races, including whites. You simply have a self flaggelating form of reverse eurocentrism.

Uh no money is the intended audience. Everyone knows rappers are whores for the dolla bills ya'll

Do you actually think the majority of commerical rap is "made with black audiences in mind"? The target audience is you, the white afrocentrist who wants to appear "woke" and "diverse" listening to what you perceive as ethnic music. Rap is no more black than Chairman Chang's Chicken is Chinese.

You're not seeing the forest for the trees user, stop nitpicking the details of my arguments and respond to the arguments themselves. My lack of experience with classical music isn't really relevant. Though I googled the question for you and learned of William Grant Still, an African-American composer who conducted 8 symphonies. Sure rap is popular but that has nothing to do with my main point that white people dont really have the authority to critique it.
Your point is also addressed above.
I don't listen to rap so your argument really falls flat here.

>Sure rap is popular but that has nothing to do with my main point that white people dont really have the authority to critique it.
Based. Guy in the video in the OP is an absolute simp and has failed miserably in his duty to completely ignore rap music in the first place.

>guy who doesn't listen to rap is an expert on rap's demographics
I too am an esteemed philosopher

The very concept of races having authority over one another is what we've been moving away from scientifically and socially for over two centuries.

Why are you adamant on dying on this hill? Music no matter what the conception behind it is will always be meant to be released and listened to a global audience, this includes white people which is why they’re the largest customer platform rap specifically has. It’s not in poor taste to judge something you have an affliction towards. If it wasn’t made for white people then they should exclusively sell albums for blacks so by you saying that rap is only meant to be a black only genre you’re also calling every rapper a sell out since they pander to whites the most

This feels like sarcasm and I know I'm probably walking into a trap here by replying but I genuinely agree. Faggots like the guy and OP's video and Anthony Fantano shouldn't critique rap.
>be fantano
>grow up in a comfortable white middle class household
>probably never ran foul of the law in my life
>never had money problems or faced adversity because of my skin color
>become an adult and decide to critique a genre of music characterized by poverty, violence, drugs, made by and for people outside of my own race AND class
>see nothing wrong with this
I don't have to actively listen to rap to have an opinion on it and how it relates to race. I said I dont listen to rap, but I did go through a major wigger phase in the past which is how I got to know the genre, though again I am absolutely not implying I have any authority to critique it as a genre.
Nice strawman you built there but I didnt say any race had authority over another race, I just said it's in poor taste for white people with no perspective on the unique struggles of black people to critique their music. In fact I would argue that it's really shitty and exploitative for us to do so.
>grrr why dont you just yield to the groupthink already???
Talking to you guys is really frustrating sometimes. White people can buy it and listen to it but it's in poor taste to act like we have the same amount of perspective on it as black people do.

>Whites have no authority to critique a type of music
>That's an outdated concept of both race and authority. If you have no argument against a critic's work, and resort to simply calling his race invalid, you are doing the intellectual equivalent of "yeah but he's a nigger so he's wrong".
>NUH UH NICE STRAWMAN ACTUALLY I SAID EXACTLY THAT, WHITES SHOULDN'T CRITIQUE THAT MUSIC, BECAUSE I "FEEL IT'S SHITTY"
Good thing you've evolved beyond such basic concepts as "colorblindness" and into "you're wrong because you're white"; while repeatedly insisting that isn't your logic. And then restating it word for word.

It’s not groupthink dumbass it’s you trying to be this unique pseud making a mountain out of a mole hill saying white people cant judge rap music no matter how garbage it is. Guess we can’t review movies like braveheart then, I mean after all none of us were starving Scottish peasants under monarchy rule huh?

It's the music only of the artist who makes it bro. I would have no problem if the hoodest blackest fucking dude started making the whitest twinkiest emo boy music, same with rap.
It's just that if you're white, or not from that urban, inner city enviorment (even if you're black), there's no reason for you to stick the conventions of that type of rap. You're just pretending to be someone and from somewhere you're not. I think if you're gonna be a white rapper (or any kind of rapper that isn't the stereotypical gangster rapper), you need to add something specific to you or perhaps your background. Great examples of this would be Bones or Yung Lean.

You're cool with black dudes listening to classical, right? But you'd cringe if a black dude tried explaining Bach cantatas to you in a youtube video, right?

That's certainly a racist opinion. Is that what you sincerely hold?

Well if he didn't know shit about Back, yeah, I'd cringe. It takes humility, love for what you're talking about and knowledge about what you're talking about to not be cringe explaining it.

Not really. People are free to make videos about whatever topic they're interested in, but there comes a point where you notice white people "whitesplaining" other people's cultures and arts way more often than you see other races doing the same to european culture.

Are you implying black people are unintelligent and incapable of listening to genres like classical? You fucking racist!

>it’s a lefty comes out as a bigot trying to prove everyone else racist episode

Lmao gottem guys

>you believe something you dont actually believe!
You dont know who I am or what I believe, beyond the small window that I've exposed you to in our conversation here.
Braveheart wasnt made by starving Scottish peasants, for starving Scottish peasants, so this is yet another false equivalence.
White people are allowed to rap, I never said they're not. Stop punching at shadows.

This thread's getting way too obfuscated, I think a bad actor in here may be pretending to be me with his replies. Please know that I am the original "Mayo McCheese" user, and this is my final post in this thread.

"Actually no it's not racist, I just prejudge content entirely based on the race of the presenter"
Do you actually have conscious thought or are you the woke equivalent of a vinyl record?

>and this is my final post
Why? Because every post has destroyed your argument and you've run out of "no, u strawman, akshully [repeats the same argument]" posts?

Fine then, Boyz in the Hood since you want to pretend like you don’t understand what I was saying in the reply. That was made by a black director with a majority black cast with real life subjects

Are white people allowed to not like it? Answer me that question

rap is crap, don't @ me

This board was made by non faggots, for non faggots, so please depart it at once mr fedora

Since you insist, I'll make one more.
< I didn't make this post, and I think you guys believe that I did.
We're allowed to dislike it, but to operate under the pretense that we have the same level of perspective as black people is a shitty thing to do.

THIS IS IT. I AM DONE. ANY POST BELOW THIS THAT LOOKS LIKE IT CAME FROM ME, IS NOT MINE.

Are you fucking serious right now? Then why are the most popular E reactions I see constantly are black people reacting to rock music who then critique it? Sometimes daring to not like it?

I sincerely hope you’re just a very clever troll because if not you should kys

Yeah i kind of do. I do/would indeed take a mexican's take on the nuances of classical chinese music with a grain of salt, regardless of how many years he's studied it.

this thread is fucking epic

I mean lyrics aside (seems like they're a caricature of the subgenre they're parodying) It's somewhat accurate. The instrumentals are very basic and stereotypical but you can find this sort of stuff in actual music.

I actually kinda like this lol unlike a lot of other fags who do these stuff he doesn't take himself very seriously and he doesn't really give off the arrogant "I'm a music god" vibe these other youtubers low key deliver

You're a fucking ruinous slimy kike who false flagged as another user and ruined a good thread. KYS.

Imagine getting this mad about pop

Pop was not made by you or for you to comment on

Are you shaking?

Glad he decided to off himself instead of polluting the waters more with his shit.
On the one hand he's no longer contaminating this pretty shit site, but on the other, he made really good bait.

Rap, or more specifically Hip Hop, has, from it very start, been a multi-racial movement, personified by the International Zulu Nation. Blacks, whites, Puerto Ricans, and Mexicans all made important contributions at the birth of Hip Hop. You need some knowledge, some history. There are plenty of good books out there, go seek them out.

Excellent bait

smoke weed and rap makes sense

You're a fucking moron now matter how many posts are actually yours. This whole conversation never would've happened without your initial retardation to kick it off.

Art is possibly the only thing not meant to be confined to a singular group of people. To think that the main perpetrators of a given artform or sub-artform are the only ones worthy of critiquing it is extremely dishonest and backwards.