Better than Beach Boys?

Sister Ray is the most overrated song of all time

They weren't just great melodies, they were interesting and unheard in pop music. Go listen to Dont Talk and show me anything that sounds like that from the 60s. You're probably judging them on the hit singles but that's just lazy fucking shit go actually listen to it.

>polished production doesn't embellish the plainness of the beach boys' best material
It wasn't just "polished" you fucking idiot, it was distinct, not to mention the intricate musical arrangements which even without the production would've been breaking new ground, but brian wilson did the production so i don't even know how saying the "production" made it what it was makes any difference.

I don't disagree on TVU, but comparing them like that is fucking dumb them they did different things. For example if you're going to talk about them melodically they weren't doing anything interesting at all.

Yes

yea but insturmentaly they absulutly destroy nice and the velevt undernice

trips don't lie

The Stooges were better than the Velvet Underground.

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Far better. The Beach Boys still have value though

this comment applies to (but VU are still better)

>it wasn't just "polished" you fucking idiot, it was distinct
it was distinct because it was much more polished than most artists could afford, and more intricate than a lot of other sounds. but intricacy does not always lend more emotional content to their sound.
>unheard in pop music
pop music by definition only ever got so adventurous for decades and often tended toward the baseline, the lowest common denominator, for easy listening. they were a step forward for pop, but TVU were a step forward for more serious and exploratory forms of rock that were becoming popular.
>You're probably judging them on the hit singles
baseless projection, i have listened through their albums dozens of times
>for example if you're going to talk about them melodically they weren't doing anything interesting at all
melodies don't have to be intricate to be effective, but they were subverting standards of melody much more than a the beach boys were, as they were juxtaposing the cold vocal style of Nico with Reed's indulgent sound, accentuating the relationship between melody and atmosphere much more than most bands were. the melodies of sunday morning and femme fatale are just as sweet, though simple, as those of the best melody-oriented bands of the time, but TVU incorporated pulsating rhythms, jarring textures created with violas and dissonance, etc. and introduced distinct tones both in their sound and subject matter. the beach boys could not boast such revolutionary subject matter nor a radical sound—theirs was just an enhanced brand of pop music made with more craft than most, which is respectable on its own but doesn't compare.

This

based retard

can every boomer ITT fuck off back to steve hoffmans

Based and stoogepilled

>it was distinct because it was much more polished than most artists could afford, and more intricate than a lot of other sounds.
It wasn't any more "polished", use a different word unless you're just using random terms because you have no idea what you're talking about.

>but intricacy does not always lend more emotional content to their sound.
This shit makes no sense at all.

>pop music by definition only ever got so adventurous for decades and often tended toward the baseline, the lowest common denominator, for easy listening. they were a step forward for pop, but TVU were a step forward for more serious and exploratory forms of rock that were becoming popular.
No you cunt, TVU moved pop forward and influenced a shit ton of pop bands.

>melodies don't have to be intricate to be effective, but they were subverting standards of melody much more than a the beach boys were, as they were juxtaposing the cold vocal style of Nico with Reed's indulgent sound, accentuating the relationship between melody and atmosphere much more than most bands were. the melodies of sunday morning and femme fatale are just as sweet, though simple, as those of the best melody-oriented bands of the time, but TVU incorporated pulsating rhythms, jarring textures created with violas and dissonance, etc. and introduced distinct tones both in their sound and subject matter. the beach boys could not boast such revolutionary subject matter nor a radical sound—theirs was just an enhanced brand of pop music made with more craft than most, which is respectable on its own but doesn't compare.
This is a real wall of shit. You're admitting they were melodically boring but saying you like it like anybody gives a fuck about what a retard cunt with shit ears thinks sounds good.

True but John Cale produced that album.
Not surprising TVU went to shit after he left.

>you're just using random terms because you have no idea what you talk about.
what? the production was more polished, because brian wilson had a formula for complex arrangements with pristine production value. but in the end that's a technical strength, not an artistic one.
>This shit makes no sense at all.
filling every song with an arranged
array of sounds does not make the music more emotionally impactful
>TVU moves pop forward
because pop absorbs eclectic influences, but mostly does not have the emotional depth of some of the said eclectic influences.
>This is a real wall of shit.
great counter, your insults and non-arguments really help your case
>You're admiring they were melodically boring
simplicity doesn't make for boring material in every case. TVU is a prime example of this
>like anybody gives a fuck about what a retard cunt with shit ears thinks sounds good.
how edgy

>what? the production was more polished, because brian wilson had a formula for complex arrangements with pristine production value. but in the end that's a technical strength, not an artistic one.
The production wasn't more polished than anything else out of the 60s.

>filling every song with an arranged
array of sounds does not make the music more emotionally impactful
Just because something is complicated doesn't mean it can't be emotionally expressive as well.

>because pop absorbs eclectic influences, but mostly does not have the emotional depth of some of the said eclectic influences.
Exactly, TVU absorbed eclectic influences and those influences bled into popular music via TVU, they moved pop forward.

>simplicity doesn't make for boring material in every case. TVU is a prime example of this
I never said their material was boring, I said their melodies were boring.

Sorry for the insults they weren't necessary but if you can't see what the beach boys brought to the table you have to be an idiot.

What the fuck are these essay responses? Just call the other guy a faggot and move on.

it's not hard to be better than the Beach Boys
>along with Peppers
are you one of those faggots who thinks Revolver is the end all be all of Beatles albums?
try the Joy Division version
all VU albums have filler. Just look at European Son and The Gift
based and boomerpilled

How about you suck a dick

>the production wasn't more polished than anything else out of the 60s
it had more detail and value than most pop music, but given the context of the period—when producers like George Martin and Spector were prominent—they weren't above everyone in that category, so you're not all wrong
>just because something is complicated doesn't mean it can't be emotionally expressive as well.
agreed, i should have clarified that i actually think the arrangements enhance the emotional content but there is less exciting emotional content in the first place in my opinion.
>they moved pop forward
fair enough
>their melodies were boring
i think they produced some great melodies, but they don't receive too much recognition because it isn't always at the forefront of their sound. Sunday Morning boasts entrancing melodies
>Sorry for the insults
no worries user, didn't take them to heart
>if you can't see what the beach boys brought to the table you have to be an idiot.
I appreciate that they created some of the greatest pop works ever made, especially SMiLE and Pet Sounds, but it seems that I perceive less emotional impact in their music than you do. we meet ends in some areas regardless, and you make some strong points.

>European Son
>filler

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