Mfw a musician I like starts expressing right wing political views

antifa are the new christian moms against metal music

imagine actually believing this. everybody who has more than 400k in the bank is rightwing dipshit. the politics is just branding to make more money.

>Pro-homosexuality in modereation
>whatthebeans.jpg

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>Keep an eye out and organize to protest his shows with other comrades the next time he tries to play in your town
How DARE somebody think independently and not conform to your mind numbing mediocrity...

>you have a shit taste in art.
The simpering narcissism of trying to tell someone else what they should like. I fucking hate people like you, pompous fucking twit.

>mfw a musician i like starts expressing political views

Dave Mustaine
Matt Pike
Phil Anselmo

Liberals are retarded and think anything right of Marx is right-wing

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>Virgin Yea Forums user cares about politics
Everytime

exactly this

I don't care about the artists opinion, left or right, as long as the music in itself is non-political.

Kosher nationalism is as left wing as it gets.

>free market
free as in "I still control everything" yeah

>pro-zionist
>pro-homosexuality in moderation
Nobody likes neocons

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>not caring about the people that monopolize the laws, military and judicial system
yeah why would you care haha

STFU NIGGER AND GIVE ME MORE GOOD PROGRESSIVE ROCK ALBUMS LIKE YOURS AND MAGICIANS BIRTHDAY

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All shit.

That's the moment I get the cassettes and original LP pressings.

based uriah heep user

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I guess Punk dosen't exist, then.

Like your taste

Thanks will DL this

>punk
>right wing
o i am laffin

scintillating

“We need a French Revolution,” Pike says. “Our media is f—ed, our politicians are f—ed, our government is f—ed, the whole world hates us because of what these f—ing douchebags have been doing. It all goes back to the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers … They’re all pedophile Satanists that run around and they’re not really what they say they are.”

Pike actually shares that he has more respect for Russian president Vladimir Putin than any of the United States’ current electorate. “He’s a KGB gangster, but at least that dude tells you exactly how it is. It’s not some two-faced thing. He just says straight-up, ‘F— you; World War III or get the f— out of my country.”

unequivocally based

>unironically believing liberals are Marxists
siege mentality in full effect

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open.spotify.com/album/6v88kHJLJQAXxjD1ZDukii?si=Qfob-TMMQyeXN9bLpYNS_g

i'm a hardcore anarcho leftist marxist commie cum licker

based, redpilled
/thread

nice reference shaq

Right wing bootlickers might sound like punk, but they lack the essence of it. They aren't being rebellious nor against status quo, at most they only act edgy.

>mfw a musician I like starts expressing left wing political views

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socialism is marxism my dude

>Limited government
>"Bootlicker"
Really makes you think

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>yeah why would you care haha
Have sex instead of thinking your voice about who's gonna govern you better is even heard.

You just might not know anything

every single vote matters my dude

cool bait

You lick the corporate boot.

Imagine living in a Western Country, and not unironically being a Facist in 2019

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This tbqh. Rightoids can't be creative.

Notice he didn't deny that he licks the boot of the state.

moron

Socialism's interpretation of the concept of an organic society is a lot more healthy than the fascist interpretation, which is basically what would happen if schizophrenia became a political position.

Anything that Daddy Karl didn't personally put his stamp of approval on

To play devils advocate, most artists who publicly display their political views are left wing, and they still have people who are not left leaning that follow and appreciate them (myself being an example). If people who don't exactly fit into the category of left wing still accept the views of artists they like, why can't you?

They're both unhealthy.

You don't even know what I just said.

Arguing about politics on the Internet always struck me as deeply pathological behavior.
As much as they might be pining for a chance at transforming the world in their own image, the primary transformation desperate political blowhards of all shapes and sizes are desperate for is a personal one. The funny thing is that a future where they are men and women of substance leading meaningful and substantial lives would only ever elude them in whichever political climate their fantasies revolve around.
You won't blossom under fascism or communism. You won't slip into a new skin and shed the old, you won't get any life you want, a life far away from this one. You won't finally become an actual person as opposed to the byproduct of the era that you are right now. There is not enough ideology in the world to prop you up as anything other than what you are, as sad as that is. And at the end of the day the same personality types and the same people running the show now would continue to run it in any fantasy scenario you could think of, while you'd still be here, eating shit forever. It is what it is.

youtube.com/watch?v=xI-RYpaRwlk

>90% artists left wing
this is fine
>a single right wing artist comes along
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!

learn a bit of history and read the communist manifesto

>mfw three of my favourite bands I've liked for over 10 years have come out as socialists one after the other since the Tories got elected in 2010, and they weren't obvious examples either so it's been a genuinely nice surprise
:^)

Centrism isn't "left wing". Most (mainstream) artists who publicly display their political views are centrists.

>one extreme thinks everyone who isn't exactly like them should die or be bred out of existence
>the other extreme thinks everyone should be treated equally by the rules of society regardless of who they are
both may be impossible ideals but I think I prefer the one that doesn't start with mass murder as a first principle

Your sham is up, lefties. We all know that you're the ones dividing the country. The right is the more tolerant wing, and people know it.

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This

No one is equal. Human Life is not as precious as we are lead to believe. The fact we waste resources on crime infested murderous urban is absurd to me. Why we dont eliminate them is beyond me at the very least sterilize them.

kek is this real?
>vote this way or you're a troll

It's the logic of some African country where there's only one option to vote for and people act like they just participated in some wonderful democratic event.

Yes it's real. Check it out on Facebook if you don't believe me.

It's actually a lot better when they have *some* conservative views, because then you know their views are actually their own, and they're not merely parroting whatever agenda surrounds them in their industry.

I personally always lose respect for artists when trends change and they uncritically change with them, and particularly if they start doing the usual performative rituals to signalize to the public that they're "in". I think it's a lot more interesting when they have overall left-wing sensibilities but can be critical of the ways people act on those.

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Lol, who ever said tolerance is a good thing? You know, if you read all of Martin Luther King's speeches and writings, he never once mentions "tolerance" positively? Tolerance is a form of degenerate moral relativism that involves one person, after being shown why they absolutely must accept something, still refuses to accept it, but instead merely maneuver their way around thinking about it in their every day life as a veiled, private disapproval and hatred. Tolerance is a white liberal invention that has no place in a revolution.

that's being a libertarian, user

Careful with those edges kid

desu this

>doesn't address his point
Don't get assblasted the next time that someone replies to you with "Triggered" or "Cuck".

the resemblance is uncanny

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exactly so why should i tolerate degenerates

oof

>mfw when a musician I like starts expressing views

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>>mfw a musician I like starts expressing right wing political views
You talking about Morrissey?, it's the only one I can think off that suddenly turned right

You’re completely wrong. A majority of mainstream musicians and celebrities’s are left wing AND their beliefs border very close to extremism. That is what’s popular today. There are endless examples of celebrities causing controversy among ACTUAL centrists in their audience. Mainstream public figures are essentially obligated to voice “progressive” views and advocate for the more extreme trends in social justice culture.

The Democratic party isn't socialist either

do you even know what punk is retard

Based post

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I think it could be argued that the views of mainstream democrats/democrat politicians are creeping towards socialism.

Insightful post, user. I think your perspective is worthwhile and I hope people like you become more outspoken about the current unending chaos in this country's political culture.

You're a goddamn retard. 7 of the 10 richest members of congress are democrat. Polis, Warner, Delaney, Pelosi, Peters, Blumenthal and Feinstein.

I hope you don't make more than minimum wage. Anything more than that is greed. You're not a filthy greedy republican, are you?

>And at the end of the day the same personality types and the same people running the show now would continue to run it in any fantasy scenario you could think of
This. It takes a special kind of state of narcissistic mindset to seek control over other people and these are the ones that will go for positions of governance. Regardless of what system you set up these same people will find ways to game it and put you under their heel. Hierarchies exist in every facet of nature, bot sentient and non-sentient.

So an artist has to have all the same beliefs, political views, and views as you for you to enjoy thier music? Damn its gonna suck never listening to anything again

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i agree strongly with you

There are people who claim to be socialists in the Democratic Party. They are members of the DSA, and the majority of the party seems to hate them despite their popularity.

wouldn't that make you a fascist or something? They have to be the same as you or they are dead to you?

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You need to reread his post, my guy.

>you have a shit taste in art
art is subjective unless its something you dont like.....? wut.

Being completely pro illegal immigration the way things stand right now seems pretty retard tier.

I personally disagree, but I respect your opinion.

God, a based reasonable individual on this board. How refreshing.

You mean left?

>pro-legal immigration
im a democrat and im pro legal immigration. I mean what kind of logic comes from being pro illegal immigration. and besides where i live, homeless everywhere, neighboring city looks like a warzone. But hey instead of fixing the foundation of where ppl live to create a better life and then invite more, just open the fucking borders and packem in?

What kind of logic is that....... Fuck me i might just become a republican tonight.

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because nationalism of any kind totally isn't the logical conclusion of conservatism

This is exactly how I ended up becoming a republican after years of being a diehard leftist. Extremism is becoming way too popular within the democratic party.

im replying to my own post. I just had the realization that im not a democrat because i believe alot of what they are advocating. Only because its socially acceptable where i live. Have i made a huge mistake?

>mfw a musician expresses any political views other than mildly left leaning

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I believe you have. It's very easy to conform to the views of the community around you. Follow your heart and question things whenever you feel something is wrong. I wish you luck.

Did fripp do something right wingish lately or something?

How is being pro legal immigration right wing? without borders thier would be no county.

i don't think anybody is 100% pro illegal immigration, but it shouldn't be the focus of immigration policy, considering most of the worst people coming through the border tend to go through legal channels, or just bribe somebody to get the necessary papers. nobody's gonna risk their life to get somewhere unless they're trying to escape from a shittier life

Thank you, have a good evening

I fuckin wishhhhhhhhh

Name a country that has survived without established borders

Letting them in means cheap slave labour and more consumers for the capitalists. You have to realise radical leftism and capitalism are strongly tied together. Then again so is republicanism. The corporate fucks are playing both sides, both of them are in raving support of globalism, either through economic or cultural imperialism. Regardless of whether you support the left or right, you most likely have been indoctrinated to support the implements of a single world order - a brave new world where all cultures and any other differences in people are washed away by mass consumerism and nihilistic, individualist hedonism.

It's a natural behaviour to care about the future of the specie, if you had kids maybe you would understand better.
That you are eating shit right now doesn't mean that you need to eat shit 20 years from now or that generations to come need to eat shit until the day they die.
>It is what it is.
Hopefully most of the humans don't think like that, otherwise we would still be ruled by some monarchy and the USA would be a colony or something. Remember, even if it is an overused meme nowadays, that by doing nothing you are part of the problem.

Every classical musician (only music that matters) would be a nazi if alive today

But how?

>is it a mistake that I'm doing something just to appease others
I don't know, go ask any homosex if they look back fondly at being in the closet.

>capitalism
>free market and private property
I think you mean corporatism there buddy.

Israel. They don't even have a wall or nothin'.

>if you had kids maybe you would understand better

If I had kids I would be doing something other than hanging out here arguing with retards.

Based comparison. Both accurate and powerful.

>homosexuality in moderation
This isn’t a substance you measure it’s a singular trait. It can present more intensely but no homosexual is more objectively more homosexual than any other. We’re fucking the same gender at the end of they day

everyone ITT talking shit about socialism couldn’t even define either without googling it first. these are the same people who think college is brainwashing people into becoming leftists; classic anti-intellectualism.

wagner, sure. bach, fine. but 'every' is a ridiculous overstatement, and considering you believe classical music is 'the only music that matters,' you're probably just a nazi trying to validate your shitty beliefs by way of plucking people out of a completely different historical context

*socialism and communism

i love when uneducated lolbertarians spout “corporatism” like they have any idea what that means. the word you’re thinking of is corporatocracy btw, and it’s a natural evolution of capitalist exploitation.

i think they mean 'keep it at home', 'don't ask/don't tell' kinda stuff

i'm glad there are still unbrainwashed folks around these parts

Name a country without “established boarders”. Your argument has no actual examples

Ikr. It gives me hope.

Exactly, so moderation is simply grammatical incorrect and presents it’s as analogous to a drug or unhealthy habit like overeating. Just be honest and say homosexuality the straights don’t have to see. And provide a real example of why you need to be sheltered from the queers

borders need be nothing more than a line on a map, they shouldn't affect people beyond who owns what

There isnt a single absolute definition of it though.

t. liberal

Moderate Homosexuality

One of the best things I ever learnt was that tolerance was an entry-point to contempt.

i'm not the guy you initially replied to, and i certainly don't agree with the notion of 'homosexuality in moderation,' i was just helping you interpret their statement. and how is 'moderation' grammatically incorrect in that case? there's the 'do it sometimes' definition, and there's the 'keep things private' definition

>hurr corporatism not capitalism
How do you think corporations are born you fucking cretin? Capital is power. Capitalism is based around growth through accumulation of capital. Corporatism literally IS capitalism.

you should rethink your teachers if you think learnt is a word

no that's 'tolerating intolerance.' still, tolerance itself is a shit word, because it tends to imply a 'grin and bear it' for people, and the point is just 'stop fearing that which is different from you'

What exactly needs to be seen? Pda is cringe whoever does it desu.

it's the correct past tense of 'learn.' 'learned' is an adjective, like 'the learned ones,' pronounced 'learn-ed'

not PDA, just, y'know, pride. not feeling like you have to hide the fact that you're gay from strangers, in case they decide to be violent or cruel about it

in general just not being treated differently because of it

This thread sucks my ass

Why feel the need to just tell random people youre gay? Whats the point?

Eat my ass

Lick my ass

>It takes absolutely no resources to commit genocide

wipe my ass then eat the paper

no, by corporatism I mean corporatism
>capitalist exploitation
you get so pedantic yet you keep saying the same shit a populist would say
go read the definition of capitalism and stop repeating everything you hear or read, check the facts, know what the fuck are you actually talking about, stop reading the slogan and learn what it actually means

Seriously

rofl xD

Get a job you fuckwit

Why does it need to be policed. Your almost presenting it in the realm of policy witch is really concerning when you consider people’s writes to expression and assembly

more like not feel the need to hide it if it comes up in conversation somehow (ex. 'do you have a girlfriend?'). 'stranger' doesn't mean random people, if your friend or a family member introduces you to somebody at a party, that is a stranger

>writes

pretty much true.

imagine actually believing this. also, name one good musician or artist that isn't a leftist

>you get so pedantic yet you keep saying the same shit a populist would say
and you make absolutely no effort to refute me either way :)

>condemns another as pedantic
>tells them to read more and presumes to be intellectually superior, thus following the definition of a pedant

> the government jew is better than the corporate jew

reminder
youtube.com/watch?v=iyc62g7YQM0

it is when the state is ran by the proletariat (the way it should be)

I have 500k in the bank and I'm not right wing

i will never understand this obsession with judaism that you fucks have

you mean his little display of paranoia?

>you fucks
yeah about that
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews

know this is jokin but
>a group of jews is the folk

you guys are confusing communism which is a vertical thus totalitarian state with anarchism, which is a horizontal thus decentralized association
anarchism is retarded but don't think old style communism means "the folk is at charge" because it's not, where there's a governor there's a state
maybe you meant direct democracy?

it just sounds funny

Louis Celine, Emil Nolde, Richard Wagner, Jorge Borges, Yukio Mishima, Ian Curtis, Kanye, etc.

There are no good right wing musicians user :)

yes, i am well aware of the historical context of jewish expulsion due to highly catholic societies' fear/hatred of any other theology simply because they didn't like the idea of people not believing in their rulers'/church leaders' "divine right" to power, but that was true of everything, including different sects of christianity in certain regions. that doesn't explain why right-wing nutjobs in the 21st century think jews are trying to secretly rule the world or whatever the fuck

Left-wing metalheads unite!

even the Chinese and guatemalans expulsed them recently what do you even mean

it's always easier to blame someone else of your own mistakes

Fuck politics

i'll give you kanye, and wagner even though i think taking things out of their historical context in order to fit them into contemporary politics is reaching at best.

>ian curtis
literally fought with nazis who used to show up to joy division shows on several occasions because they were stupid enough to presume he was right wing.

>Emil Nolde
was an expressionist, and therefore part of what hitler considered 'an act of aesthetic violence by the Jews against the german spirit'

>mishima
the tatenokai and the whole idea of reverence to the emperor is not the same as being right wing in today's context.

>borges
outspoken anti-fascist and anti-peronist (i.e., against a one-party state). sure, anti-communist, but that doesn't make someone right-wing. and once again, historical context.

i am not familiar with emil nolde's work

>righty
>really don't care about some of the left wing opinions of different artists are
You'd have to be a real pussy to start disliking an artist for purely their political stances, in any medium. It's a pretty petty stance all in all.

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>chinese
still fits the description of hating against anything that could potentially question the supremacy of the regime in place, considering china also censors google to the point that posting pictures of winnie the pooh is more or less banned due to xi-jinping being butthurt about comparisons.

and the guatemala thing was ONE mostly-mayan village that, again, didn't want people with other beliefs hanging around

>expulsed
expelled, you brainlet

>mfw a musician I like starts expressing right wing political views

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Well there's Ernst Junger, the Italian futurists, D'Annunzio, Walt Disney, Honore de Balzac, Fernando Pessoa, Salvador Dali, Ezra Pound ... yeah there's a lot of people who were more than just conservative but even far right who were amazing artists.

Quite a few musicians as well.

fucking nailed it

>Right wing = fascist
A lot of right wingers don't get along with each other, highlighting the fact that some rightists don't like fascists does not mean those who oppose fascism are not right wing

>Mishima wasn't right wing because reverence to an emperor doesn't mean right wing in today's context
L m a o

This desu, I never cared about lyrics either so it really doesnt matter to me

>Only Catholics expulsed or persecuted Jews
Historically illiterate

The idea that Jews and Judaism had nothing to do with anti-Semitism is not true. Kevin MacDonald presents a historical-evolutionary-psychological counter-argument to this in his "Culture of Critique" trilogy, especially the second book, "Separation and its Discontents".
Synopsis:
The author develops a theory of anti-Semitism based on an evolutionary interpretation of social identity theory—a major approach to group conflict in contemporary social psychology. Beginning in the ancient world, anti-Semitism has existed under a variety of religious and political regimes. The author explores several theoretically important themes of anti-Semitic writings such as Jewish clannishness and cultural separatism, economic and cultural domination of gentiles, and the issue of loyalty to the wider society.
Particular attention is paid to three major manifestations of Western anti-Semitism; the development of institutionalized anti-Semitism in the Roman empire, the Iberian Inquisitions, and the phenomenon of Nazism. All of these movements exhibited a powerful gentile group cohesion in opposition to Judaism as a group strategy, and the author argues that each may be analyzed as a reaction to the presence of Judaism as a highly successful group evolutionary strategy. Because of the repeated occurrence of anti-Semitism, Jews have developed a highly flexible array of strategies to minimize its effects. These include: crypsis during periods of persecution, controls on Jewish behavior likely to lead to anti-Semitism, and the manipulation of gentile attitudes toward Jews. Students and scholars involved with evolutionary approaches to human behavior and Jewish Studies will be interested in this book, as will social scientists and historians in general. (PsycINFO Database Record

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i did not say that once, however, the wikipedia page the last guy linked to was literally all cases of catholic countries/cities between 1290-1500 expelling jews

as in, what he was doing did not apply to the western sociopolitical context of 'right vs. left'

>I did not say that once
Ahem
>yes, i am well aware of the historical context of jewish expulsion due to highly catholic societies' fear/hatred of any other theology simply because they didn't like the idea of people not believing in their rulers'/church leaders' "divine right" to power, but that was true of everything, including different sects of christianity in certain regions.

Meaning you think that loke 90% of anti-Semitic persecutions are due to Catholics, as you even say now. Yes, I'm sure the only reason why Jews were disliked and persecuted was because of theological differences and there were not other sociological variables in the interactions between a diaspora outgroup and a host population over the course of centuries.

It did. No one but you denies Mishima being right wing. Being in favor of monarchy is a pretty big sign for being considered right wing.

I can appreciate a celebrity or anyone in entertainment expressing right wing views even though I'm not right wing. Going against the status quo in a business where that might actually affect you negatively it respectable even if your opinion is for the most part retarded

>the ravings of a literal madman
all of this supports the notion that antisemitism stems from an innate fear of anything 'other' to people's beliefs/culture, and even borders on a kind of perverse jealousy. furthermore, evolutionary psychology is pseudoscientific at best, a poor attempt at legitimizing social-darwinism based largely on biased observation of carefully-picked facts that are separated from their context in order to 'support' specific claims. it does not have any kind of adherence to the scientific method since it is based largely on hypothesis and has no means of being falsified or confirmed through testing, and the only people who believe this garbage already have a bias toward it in the first place.

i don't deny him being technically right wing, but i'm saying that you cannot lump them into this same category because there is a giant cultural difference between post-war japan and the west's conception of left and right.

once again, i did not say that ALL cases of it were due to catholicism. i was responding to the 'evidence' that was presented, which was all cases of catholic intervention. see for yourself

of course there are other sociopolitical things at play between a country and immigrants, my point was merely that a chart about catholic countries hundreds of years ago does not explain why Yea Forums nazis are so scared of jews

what he actually wanted was for japan to stop being so dependent on western influence both culturally and economically, and a return to pastoral ideals before the rapid urbanization completely destroyed all of the unique natural beauty of the country. it's kinda both right AND left because there's an environmentalist thing at play as well as anticapitalist sentiments

>Kevin MacDonald is a "literal madman" because I said so
Okay. If you're Jewish, the chapter on Jewish self-deception would be particularly useful to you. There's nothing "pseudoscientific" or "perverse" about inter-group resource competition and the hostility it engenders. Social identity theory does suggest that people are prone to developing stereotypically negative attitudes towards other groups, especially competing groups, and positive attitudes towards their own. "Social Darwinism" is evolutionary theory applied to humans, and humans are obviously not exempt from natural selection and the like. MacDonald confirms his hypotheses through examination of historical evidence, including Jewish laws and religion.

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>my point was merely that a chart about catholic countries hundreds of years ago does not explain why Yea Forums nazis are so scared of jews
Pretty sure that trying to highlight the historical issues with Jews as a means of explaining why people today still have an issue with them is pretty fair t b h

Environmentalism is not purely a left wing issue, there have been plenty of extremely right wing conservationists. Being against urbanization is not left wing either

Redditors still believes everyone who disagrees with them is 2016.

>MacDonald confirms his hypotheses through examination of historical evidence, including Jewish laws and religion.
that's not confirmation, that's just the aforementioned cherry-picked evidence. he comes up with his hypotheses after the fact, so of course they seem to - on the surface - be neat tidy explanations, but that's completely backwards and contrary to accepted methods of confirmation. hypothesis first, then testing. he doesn't attempt to poke any holes in his own theories, and that alone is unscientific.

>Using evidence to support your *historical* hypothesis is unscientific cherrypicking
Probably the dumbest reply I've read all day. Christ

not when your examples are literally hundreds of years old. for starters, people today are, across the board, a lot more literate than they were 500 years ago

>The last time Jews were persecuted / expelled from other countries was 500 years
Dude... come on. You're looking at the track record of Jewish expulsion over the course of centuries, no not every example of persecuting Jews happens 500 years ago topkek.

You sure know a lot about him and his work for not having ever read anything by him.

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>tfw like virtual bird even though she's a tranny
>tfw when i like king crimson even though robert fripp

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>kevin mcdonald
>evolutionary psychology
>the very founders of this field later went on to say he was wrong and disingenuous
antisemites are hilarious
i’ll talk shit about zionism, AIPAC and israel all fucking day, but seriously leave jews alone.

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meant to quote

much like kevin macdonald, you've ignored the entire context of what i said in favor of tiny fragments that support your claim. my point is, you cannot make a hypothesis AFTER you have collected evidence. that is no longer a hypothesis, that is creating a narrative to tie unrelated fragments of evidence together.

Dial 8

he’s right, though. you and macdonald have zero respect for the scientific method.

quite rare to see someone who’s actually educated on this board, btw. cheers.

that is the entirety of the chart in question. I have never said 'all examples of this' or 'the last time this happened.' I said that these specific examples are not valid because they are over 500 years old

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i’m a straight, white, physically fit man. go lack an argument elsewhere.

i keep confessions of a mask and after the banquet on my nightstand and read them once a year, and have the special criterion box set of a life in four chapters on the shelf right in front of me. you've probably never even been to japan

Read the book(s). It's the argument. I gave the synopsis, but it's like 400 pages.
Okay.

>read a book by a man who’s not even an evolutionary psychologist
>the people who helped found the field of evolutionary psychology said his methodologies and conclusions were wrong
Right off the bat he doesn’t sound very credible.

Yea Forums say

but also hate gay furry

what mean

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Erm, we need both wings to fly? Yes they impose a balance you'll never understand just as your need to take sides makes you an ill extremist like feminists.

>you cannot make a hypothesis AFTER you have collected evidence
... You mean made an observation? Too fucking kek

The scientific method? You know nothing about historical analysis and neither does he. Examining history, political science, and sociology is not the same as exploring the physical sciences.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method

>Entire wiki chart only includes a small amount of expulsions
Of course, topkek. You know, in 1933 there was this German guy... he did a lot of things

MacDonald isn’t a historian, incidentally. Marx was, though!

That is called argumentum ad verecundiam and you're using it against one who was a professor of psychology at an esteemed university...

Once again, I've read possibly the most moronic thing all day. You don't understand how historical analysis works. You don't understand how sociology works

He’s a psychologist, but he’s not an EVOLUTIONARY psychologist. John Tooby, the founder of evolutionary psychology, went on to say that MacDonald was full of shit and should stop dabbling in a field he has no academic experience with. What don’t you understand or respect about these nuances?

I can almost smell how neurotic and anti-intellectual you are. Is MacDonald a sociologist or a historian or is he not? I’d rather listen to someone with credentials than a mere dabbler.

>makes you an ill extremist like feminists

Happy 14th birthday, faggot

That’s not what appeal to authority means, by the way. Or do you mean to argue that John Tooby is wrong about his take on MacDonald? If so, why? Were you even aware that the fucking founder of this field found MacDonald’s work to be completely bogus? Somehow I doubt it.

Femanon detected, post tits or stay and have a warm cup of GTFO.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Topkek. The progenitors of chemistry had little to no concept of atoms. For centuries people believed in Miasma Theory and , once shown evidence against it in favor of Germ Theory by those who were previously held in high esteem, engaged in an endless political struggle with them over sheer pride. Arguing from authority is a disgrace to anyone with a formal education. Keep that in mind

This goes to you as well. Neither of you have read his works, neither of you were hailed as experts in your fields, yet both of you will trust in one side of the arguments amongst professionals based on name alone should it conform to pre-existing beliefs you have. It's shameful and reactionary, frankly.

Speaking of Marx, he also held a lot of the same beliefs as modern antisemites that Jews are a bourgeois and abusive phenomenon

>Cal State Long Beach
>esteemed
that's the funniest shit i've heard all day. CSUN is the school that kids who can't get into UCLA or USC go to. CSULB is the school for kids who can't get into CSUN

Go to the /polls/ lmao.

Marx Manifesto is beautiful in paper but no applied, end of story dudes, flu flu, bon voyage, fakc off.

>has a 28% acceptance rate
Yeah, the average acceptance rate for universities and colleges is like 70% and you're still arguing on authority like a brainlet

You're drunk right now aren't you? Well, it'd Yea Forums so you're probably on a lot of things...

clearly you have no idea what you're talking about since you've credited him as an expert in three different fields, one of which considers him a hack despite the fact that the field as a whole is relatively lacking in credibility to begin with

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>amongst professionals
correct yourself: the VERY GUY who created evolutionary psychology
>yet both of you will trust in one side of the arguments amongst professionals based on name alone should it conform to pre-existing beliefs you have. It's shameful and reactionary, frankly.
my irony detector is going nuts. you have no self-awareness and are clearly mentally ill.

i feel like most normal people who learn of this devastating refutation (john tooby’s take on macdonald) would be intellectually honest enough to amend their worldview, and the fact that you aren’t just shows your racist bias.

please show me macdonald’s academic credentials within the field of evolutionary psychology, thank you.

31.9% actually. and that doesn't mean shit on its own. not every school gets upwards of 60,000 applicants to it

>Sociology and psychology don't have a close relationship
>Sociology doesn't commonly use historical analysis so clearly you were claiming him to be a historian of note
I'm gonna have to lean towards you being the uneducated one here. Also just a bit slow considering I just gave you historical examples of politics interfering with progress and yet you still harp on about ad verecundiam

>My nigga idi Amin is cited
Idi Amin is probably the most interesting and intelligent African dictator of all time. Antizionist blacks are best blacks

this is a different list, you're acting like i was talking about every single case of expulsion when i was specifically talking about the list that i was given before being shitty. no shit there are other examples beyond catholic ones, i never said there weren't

How you guys gonna celebrate the Internet argument fight? I suggest renting a cheap room nearby and play le bottle but the first that starts with faggish behavior goes out.

In other words, you sound Freudian since you apply Psychology evolutionary mechanisms and relate them to some shit in 2019, there are too many social disorders and diseases nowadays and definitely one for each of you, now think about it... You really wanna discuss social sanity these days? Basement dwellers.

The school has a 28% acceptance rate. In 2017, 17,650 out of 63,048 applicants were admitted making Cal State Long Beach a highly competitive school to get into.[11]

collegesimply.com/colleges/california/california-state-university-long-beach/admission/

and i gave you plenty of reasons why, regardless of politics, the work of kevin macdonald is not credible, purely based on how science works. that's not 'argumentum ad verecundiam' and i never once cited other people in my argument as to why his science is bad.

School makes people dumber, corrupt their worldview and you have people that eats books and live on quotes, if you like that then go to the intelligence test of memorizing the next summer test, faggot.

well fair enough, this information was outdated. that doesn't change the fact that, while it is 'competitive' to get into, that's only because too many people apply to it and they can't accept them all. other schools have higher acceptance rates because they're either bigger or have fewer applicants. the percentage alone doesn't mean shit

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>>Sociology and psychology don't have a close relationship
They do, but they aren’t exactly the same shit with little to no variables in between you mentally lazy cunt. You’re really struggling with this, aren’t you? Just because you’re a music producer doesn’t mean you’re automatically a good or even decent music engineer.

says the guy who can't even write a grammatically correct sentence to complain about it

>people that eats books
Which grade did you drop out of?

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>the VERY GUY who created evolutionary psychology
*sigh* you missed how I said that accredited professional are subject to reactionary sentiments our of pride by citing how the first chemists were ignorant of atoms and that for decades doctors showed total personal hostility towards germ theory vs their own Miasma Theory.

I guess you're just one of those types of people.
>He thinks I'm biased
I used to be very against anti-Semitism before I decides to kill my biases and look into the matter. Their are legitimate complaints to be made about Jews as an ethnic identity as there are with any identity, frankly.

>please show me macdonald’s academic credentials within the field of evolutionary psychology, thank you
He was a professor of psychology for many years, the field of evolutionary psychology is extremely new but I doubt it matters much to someone who hell bent on arguing from authority, despite the fact you clearly know nothing about the authority you trust as you have not once cited what specific issues there are with his theories. In fact, you haven't even read his works and know nothing about him.

>citing how the first chemists were ignorant of atoms and that for decades doctors showed total personal hostility towards germ theory vs their own Miasma Theory.
hm yes and you totally have plenty of evidence that that is what’s happening here with tooby vs. macdonald

cute conspiracy theory, little man. i recommend lithium for your clear mental disorder.

>Just because the minimum requirements are higher that 90% of other universities and colleges doesn't mean it's an esteemed school , because so many people apply their
You're not too good at math, are you? Their minimum requirements are stricter no matter how many applicants they have.

None of this matters because none of this has to do with Kevin MacDonald's arguments. You're sticking so far to arguing on authority that you're going to argue over the acceptance rate of the university he was a professor at. It's ridiculous.

I’d shove a knife in both your eyes and then break your fucking arms and legs and then slit your throats and stomp on your stomachs as hard as I can until flesh and blood are flying everywhere

Confirmed with post: antisemites are mentally ill cretins.

Let's go to the point, do you believe you're smarter for going to college to memorize exams? You must be a retard but is OK you need the career in that sort of system you wanna enter, first the loan and the toyota truck, faggot.

So w/e, bite me, I decided to step out of the educational system and yet want to introduce a serious reform but you go like a bee and get us some honey, I don't bother your banana really, I understand the requirements of education in any area nowadays but yes, I'm not only self-learned but also probably your problem is forgetting more than 80% you learned or read in your college and as any science applied you don't need the 90% of what you actually studied in theory.

Music production / engineering does not have the same relationships between sociology and psychology. Both of those fields evolved far more similarly to each other and , in fact, were once considered the same thing. Sociology itself is not well defined and has multiple different sub fields.

>Purely based on how science world
Except you're comparing the scientific method of physical sciences to psychology and sociology based on a work you've never read yourself. Sociology uses a combination of the scientific method and historical method. They're seperate concepts, so no, referring the fact that MacDonald cites historical evidence in his arguments over the collectivd psychology of Jewish people is not a fair argument against his method.

>you missed how i blah blah
you're referring to paradigm shifts, and it's easy to laugh at them in hindsight because we have more information, but it's not like science has progressed forward in a straight line throughout history. and sure, new waves in science will always face heavy opposition by the accepted paradigm, like how quantum physics was considered insanity, or how even psychology as a whole was considered almost entirely pseudoscientific until neuroscience came into the picture. However, you cannot just use examples of paradigm shifts to defend any new form of science without first ensuring that their methods are falsifiable and can hold up to even the merest bit of scrutiny. You can't blindly accept hypotheses, because they're supposed to be designed in such a way that welcomes all manner of poking and prodding, and the actual breakthroughs come from the anomalies and holes in the hypothesis bringing new information to light. Being completely reductive and just accepting theories that sound good enough to you simply because they seem to fit is a textbook example of being unscientific. This is the same kind of thinking that leads people to become anti-vaccers and flat-earthers. it comes from a good place of questioning things and trying to think for oneself, but fails due to an incomplete understanding of what it means to properly conduct an experiment without ignoring any or all evidence that may contradict your theory.

reminder

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>hm yes and you totally have plenty of evidence that that is what’s happening here with tooby vs. macdonald
You haven't cited a single argument tooby has said about McDonald beyond the fact that he is opposed to him, and yes Kevin MacDonald , like any other academic in history, is subject to politics. There has never been an acception to this matter.

do that, but to yourself

>Assuming he's anti-semitic
Considering he was insulting an anti-semite (me apparently) I kind of doubt that

>first the loan and the toyota truck, faggot.
>but you go like a bee and get us some honey, I don't bother your banana really,
Holy shit, what? do you have schizophrenia or are you just intoxicated?

please prove empirically that tooby’s take on macdonald is politically motivated, thanks.

>However, you cannot just use examples of paradigm shifts to defend any new form of science without first ensuring that their methods are falsifiable and can hold up to even the merest bit of scrutiny
Your scrutiny has, thus far, been uncited arguments from an evolutionary psychologist. What scrutiny? It's been nothing but appeals to authority. What is scientific about that? Not only that, but you're applying the scientific method incorrectly to a field that has relied on many different methods in order to analyze human behavior.

Our psychology and group behavior is not so simple as the mechanistic properties of our extremely partial understanding of the physical universe that can be recreated in a lab.

>doesn't know what shock is
the entire point of malcolm maclaren and vivienne westwood's SEX shop, including all the nazi imagery, was simply to piss off the hyper conservative old-guard of an entirely too-pompous united kingdom that was still patting themselves on the back for wwii as if they did it on their own and weren't just as responsible for hitler's rise as any other enabling party at the time. there's a difference between shock value for the sake of telling your parents to go fuck themselves, and believing wholeheartedly in a ridiculous ideology of praising the elite and valuing only classically 'beautiful' aesthetics of baroque music/art that is otherwise contrary to the pro-working class, pro-individualist, 'fuck virtuosity' ethos of punk as a whole.

What a shithead, ended up in the common denominator of try-hard insult when exhausting any option for a real argument that was yet not given and fails irrefutably to defend his own lame stance. That's vogue here and the best people I know are on the street and probably schizo yet you're far away from being unique just another bee.

>please prove empirically that tooby’s take on macdonald is politically motivated, thanks.
Give me a single argument tooby has made at least, lmao. Yes, Kevin MacDonald has faced political issues with his theories about Jewish psychology. Tell me, how are anti-semites treated in this society? This is like asking

>Prove to me that a man who argues in favor of accepting pro-homosexual narratives can be discriminated against in Russia or Saudi Arabia
The United States has one of the largest populations of Jews in the entire world and is staunchly Zionist , plus Kevin MacDonald was fired from his post and is continuously insulted in the US media. Yeah, i'd argue that he is facing political opposition lmao

fuck the poor

seethe more tranny incel

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>Pro working class
>Pro individualist
One or the other, and there were right wing versions of punk. In fact, there are famous neo-nazi acts in punk.

What happens with U.S to help you fags with the topic is that it's a pretty new but really new country, U.S constitution has what? 300 years? That's a pretty fresh made state of mixing a-lot of races as I'd say an experiment by England to bring scottish and irish together that you can see are not conquerors either but in the end you cannot generalize in America for being so multi-cultured still the root of my post is regarding how fresh it's to the point you see such racism and clash over certain things as rights and homophobia that doesn't happen overseas at that level as it's felt or was felt before in the U.S just as I think any country with so many states will behave pretty much the same using roughly the same mediums as it would generate as much and become eventually a leading nation in certain aspects as economy but yet that's all a lie and below the hood you can see that engine pretty burned out and full of patches for again being in such terms of nation, they didn't do shit in WWII, England won the war in other words just as Germany haven't really lost a war according to numbers but behind the throne what I wanna say is that we shouldn't be afraid of any american power in any army kind of intelligence aspect since they only have certified garbage forensics and their intelligence is pretty lame in their own basis just as they inject fear in the citizen you can also see that the blue-eyed men only talk with someone and engage before setting a trap and that's obvious and DoD has records nowadays to see their 20 lost wars in the past full history of being that beast of consumerism and that's all, I love U.S and certain U.S people but I dislike the country image as a whole just as Trump provides that, a face for the nation and his changes won't be major either when he goes out for someone to take over and repair all the trail of garbage he left.

first of all, you're conflating me with the other guy, but what i'm saying is YOU need to scrutinize him further before you can truly believe what he says. Also, most behavioral psychology is, in fact, based on experiments that are recreated in labs, and otherwise is backed up by neuroscience. evolutionary psychology is the odd one out in that case. And finally, pseudoscience specifically means that people erroneously believe that it is based on the scientific method, ergo, Evolutionary Psychology is a pseudoscience.

oh and by the way
>Our psychology and group behavior is not so simple as the mechanistic properties of our extremely partial understanding of the physical universe that can be recreated in a lab.

this directly contradicts most defenses of evolutionary psychology's argument that their work is, in fact, falsifiable/confirmed through testing, so you're already arguing against your own side

How naive, you must be 14

Hmm... the other poster is right although he called you schizoid and not schizophrenic. You should consider professional help

Not schizoid just 21st century, yet it's funny to see people going back to year 0 to explain certain things, definitely being updated in certain aspects won't help me defend their parle.

le slippery slope fallacy

not an argument, faggot

>A *Culture* of Critique
>Behavioral Psychology
Behavioral Psychology is an extremely mechanistic school of thought in psychology that is not often applied outside of individual actions, and it's extremely controversial when it is applied towards group behavior. It doesn't have a lot of application in sociology on such a macro level where you can apply it to totally determine an ethnic identity.

Furthermore I said that sociology itself uses a mix of the scientific an historical methods. Sociology and some sub fields of psychology don't rely so much in the scientific method because the method itself is actually partially flawed and this gets into the more esoteric issues within these fields which most people aren't interested in.

>People believe that evolutionary psychology is pseudoscientific because it cannot fully rely on the ability to recreate results in a lab setting
No, there are unique issues in trying to determine our own behavior objectively that I hope you can understand through some common sense

>this directly contradicts most defenses of evolutionary psychology's argument that their work is, in fact, falsifiable/confirmed through testing,
It is, it's just that there are larger amounts of testing that can possibly be acquired to prove certain hypothesis. A lab setting is not so ideal in trying to recreate the exact conditions for our sun so we leave that up to theories which we can partially prove some other way than the scientific method though not fully

Most likely a 20 something college student who's never left the city

You remind me of scientists just as the other failures, when they can control an object or identify something they lose control over it and go deranged, worst part you end up in the lowest common denominator, you're garbage kids, you need more support in your group push to really do something because that's just butthurt replies after a harsh truth being told. Won't go deeper on any scientist dictatorship you're all victims of for being garbage random citizens.

Lol ok retard

You can't understand something, you feel identified with an explanation over something and therefore insulted and you just try to evade the reality by posting such low level trollin' and baits, had my keks.

Stay triggered and mad dumpster random fag.

being lucky enough to have connections and education and/or being born into a middle class household doesn’t make you a respectable man, you antisocial freak.

>89417789
Poopy poop dumb dumb BRAAAAAAP

Matt Pike is more of a conspiracy nutbar than a right winger. Phil is just a dumbass who doesn't think before he talks. Dave is the only one I'd actually call right wing.

Nah I went to csun but couldn't get into Long Beach. It's harder to get in there because it's near the beach! Csun was cool tho. Valley is always chill. Short trip to malibu. Lots of good weed shops. Trip down to the city at night, then cruise back up the 101 and relax in the flat streets under the trees of the west valley. Good times.

That’s only like two people. We love Will. He wouldn’t even be where he is today without us.