Why post-punk is full of communists

Country, no. Metal, eh, not really. Please exit this board commie.

Exit life, nazi

eat shit porkie we're here to stay

>Edgy college student

t.

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>89365507
please come to venezuela and try to live with the minimum wage faggot

muh venezuela

Imagine willingly being a communist
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA take an economics class HAHAHAHAHAHAHA people like having private property HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This but unironically

ironically but unironically

Based. The young people who get into that bullshit are so damn naive and desperate.

>Based. The young people who get into that bullshit are so damn naive and desperate.
shut the fuck up boomer

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not prisoners

Another /pol/ thread on Yea Forums.

I am literally not a boomer. I suggest you open a history book and stop assuming you've got the world figured out. Be open to learning.

Try arguing against communism without
>Mentioning basic economics that you dont understand yourself
>Mentioning history books that you were spoonfed to by teachers who have every reason to work in the interest of the American state

"Mentioning history books that you were spoonfed to by teachers who have every reason to work in the interest of the American state"

>I don't agree with something, that thing must be bad because of a grand conspiracy theory, I cannot possibly be wrong!

>2019
>not realizing that conservatism is the new punk rock

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you haven't posted any so this means even you doubt them. you proved yourself wrong now fuck off you crazy boomer

British punk was right-wing as fug man.
I don't think post-punk is generally full of commies either. Joy Division certainly weren't commies, at least.

Let people enjoy their teenage angst, man.

>Communist calling someone a crazy for being against communism

Oh boy.

Not a wise thing to do, young people in this day and age grow up but don't grow out of extremism.

fuck off nazi scum go make money for your boss

This is the most cringey thing I've seen in a while. Holy fuck. I cannot imagine being so deluded.

Are you kids ever going to realize how insulting it is to casually throw the term "Nazi" around so casually? Do you understand how terrible that is?

eat shit brother

based

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>I suggest you open a history book and stop assuming you've got the world figured out

Why don't you page over your freshman history book and see how much they talk about the Native American genocide or perhaps all that went down in the Vietnam adventure?

Spoiler, the natives didn't just tell us how to farm corn and fuck off forever :)

>end famine you started
>stats from USSR
why are commies such dum dums

pretending to be a retard is still being a retard

>famine you started
>in a region that had famines for centuries
>industrialisation fixed it but muh ukrayyyyn

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found the nazi

>right-wing as fug

Are you dumb?

Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same materialist, Jewish coin.

>doesn't refute just greentext and wojack
such a dummy

Fuck offfff

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My public education was filled with anti-white socialist Jews like Howard Zinn, Jared Diamond, and Stephen Jay Gould. We learned debunked myths about noble indigenous people and evil white men every year, yet nothing about the Bolsheviks and the fact that they were almost all Jewish. Nothing about the Holodomor. Debunked myths about King Leopold (a classic). Holocaust every year. That’s standard for American education.

Forgot to mention the debunked narratives about slavery being a benefit to the economy, slaves working harder than average workers, slaves being punished for no reason, slave rape, segregation, Jim Crow and Red-lining leading to black poverty, and the civil rights movement being grass-roots instead of funded and ghost-written by elites.

>end famine
>end sex inequality
Stalin would like some words with you.

>it’s all lies all the bad things in the books are made up
You sound just like a /pol/lack

nah. pol is pro fascism mostly. hes probably /leftypol/

If the Soviet Union was so great hy did their economy tank after glasnost then?

The music part is true though. What music does the alt-right have, fucking synthwave? Ironic pop songs with fascist lyrics? It's pretty dire, not gonna lie.

literally all Oi! bands were right-wing d00d.

Commies are idiots, if you're a 16-21 year old edgelord who proudly announces that you're a communist at any chance you get, please leave. You are worse than vegans. You're ignorant, you're naive, and I promise you, you'll look back at yourself years from now and be embarrassed.

>why did a country which transitioned almost over night from one economic system to its diametric opposite with little to no regulation have economic trouble
The economy began to stabilize when Putin slowly introduced certain forms of state control he recycled from the Soviet days btw. Obviously this doesn't make Putin a communist at all and mixed economies have their own problems but compared to the all out neoliberal wasteland of the early 90s things are "better"

No they weren't. Voices of the British working-class - angry but not right wing. I'm British, social historian and working class.

I'm a socialist. Do I need to go?

Personally, I would say yes, you need to go. Socialism is absurd, although one can argue it's better in comparison to communism. Regardless, both are idiotic and will only lead to destruction.

sick of these tinpot sailors trying to be tough guys online with the bullshit political ideologies it's starting to get really fucking annoying
take Mr. The Wall Bullet and fucking shove it up your ass
go dick down your nazi boyfriend
i don't give a fuck
read something a youtuber didn't assign you for a change

Hegel writes nonsense to impress stupid elites for his job. Marx takes said nonsense and makes his fame scamming stupid poor people.
Punks write nonsense to piss off elites. Post punks take said nonsense and make money scamming people too stupid to know good music.

Oh but user don’t you know you need a job to pay off your student loan debt? Don’t worry, I may hire you because I do need a new BMW

Because punk was full of anarchists and commies are just anarchists who grew up

It always triggers me when people point out how desperate conditions in the Soviet Unions were under Stalin. Russia wasn't even fully industrialized in 1917, hell they didn't even really start industrializing until Witte in the 1890s. If people focused on where they came from rather than where they were, the USSR was incredibly successful. But no Gorbachev tanked the economy by introducing capitalism therefore the whole thing was a failure...

Stupid. Commies are just fascists trying to piss off their rich parents. Hence why they tried to make chaos ordered for their "art." Also why commies love violence so much.

>Also why commies love violence so much
Pretty sure nobody worried about being choked to death for selling cigarettes or being shot at their local grocery store in the USSR but okay, Billy

Jesus commies are dumb. No, because everything is good until you're called in for a meeting and a soldier shoots you in the head through hole in the wall (Stalin's fave way to kill people for awhile). Or Pol Pot killing all the smart people. Or starving to death because you made politburo mad. Look at China and North Korea now, you want to leave mommy and daddy's money to go live their and "disappear" one night because you made joke about leader looking like winnie pooh?

Why won’t these “commies” just embrace their existence as a product of capitalism due to their parents being capitalists and getting rich ?

is ian really a commie?

is hayley williams a communist?

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Because the Soviets were the best at doing it.

The point I was trying to make is that violence gets legitimized under every political system. Whether it's police raids, immigrant imprisonment, or covert assassinations, neither capitalism nor socialism will ever exist without state-enforced violence.
You can point out extreme examples of violent authoritarianism in contemporary communist countries like China or North Korea, sure, but couldn't one just as easily point out Saudi Arabia, the US, or any of the myriad of capitalist countries commiting their own atrocities? And if you're bringing up Stalin and Pol Pot, couldn't you also look at the violence brought about by neo-colonialism as violence directly brought about by and benefitting capitalism?
Finding a system that works shouldn't be about cherry picking from countries you don't like that have adopted some form of that system. If you do you'll be locked in stalemate for eternity.

If their economy tanked because they switched to capitalism then why has America consistently had one of the best economies in the world despite being the most capitalist? Seems to me like the real culprit was bad socialist policies finally coming to bite them in the ass.

Come on now do you really think as humans that we’ll stop being violent towards each other? That shit is in our blood and we will be plagued with it until we inevitably become extinct

communism is good, see china

Based China treating their workers like the scum that they are.

since when is conservativism sucking off the police state and big government?

youtube.com/watch?v=fma7Tp4uK88

The name of this song is "I'm not a communist"

Soviet Union ended with the death of Stalin and Nikita taking power.

true. when i was an anarchist teen i use to like punk but now i listen to post-punk and ima commie

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>Come on now do you really think as humans that we’ll stop being violent towards each other?
No, not at all. Did you even read my post?
>>violence gets legitimized under every political system
>>neither capitalism nor socialism will ever exist without state-enforced violence

they aren't

Shit.... u right user

>good gdp=good economy
When capitalism does eventually end, this mentality will be seen as all who have an interest in economics and history as one of the stupidest things humans have ever institutionalized, right behind the earth being flat and Israel being a legitimate state with a right to exist

since burke invented it, so around the start of 19.th

Black panther is about how cool it is when alphabet soup agencies orchestrate a coup in an independent nation which has used its natural resources in a way which lifts up the whole of society rather than a small group of usurers and implement a government which will act as a vassal for the imperial core so no not really

If Punk was the musical representation of communism, you punk rocker communists should be mortified. The genre was boring, weak, and failed to evolve miserably. It died out and will forever be known as one of the worst genres to exist (along with rap and country).

you're right they were worried about being thrown in prison for selling toilet paper and being killed inside or shot by secret service in-transit

but despotism is epic based tendies all my favorite youtube friends said so
it'll totally save me and my decadent lifestyle from imminent destruction
just gotta believe
hyperstition homie

Punk literally wasn't anything beyond a collection of sonic experiments which all rubbed up against each other. There were plenty of people who were or would go on to be fascists, liberals, or just totally apolitical as there were commies and anarchists.

kys dengist

>finding a system that works
God pomo retards ruin everything. There is no system that works, because from the crooked timber of humanity nothing straight shall grow. All I know is I've never had feds take me to a black site for saying orange man bad, or obongo is a fag, etc. I do know every communist country in history would have killed me for just that. Just accept commies are fascist, violence loving thugs.

Zvuki Mu, Akvarium, Kino and Nautilius Pompilius were all Anti-Communism. I don't know about shit like Gang Of Four but they are trash so who cares?

based schizo

>British punk was right-wing as fug man.
You're retarded.

>Just accept commies are fascist

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>dengist
that's a compliment

>end famine by starving to dead your citizens
ftfy

Yes, they were. I listen to Oi! and punk. You can take you social historian shit elsewhere lmao fuckboy.

>yes they were
prove it

lol. fuck off.

like a post straight off reddit

NSBM, Power Electronics, NeoFolk, Martial Industrial, Post-Industrial, Classical, Oi!, Folk.

all excellent

thanks for proving my point larper faggot
now go back to your shithole

Basic bitch hurrr I use Yea Forums but I'm not like those /pol/ guys I'm actually a socialist haha!!! look at me!!!

anyone with a brain knows Oi! is right-wing, just as the British working-class are.

Politics are so fucking cringe. Why don't you all fuck off and have your embarrassing "political debates" somewhere else?

They are now, but not historically.

Oh yeah I forgot about the glownigger in that movie

right wing and left wing are extremely relative terms to the point that they are effectively meaningless
monarchism used to be conservative but conservatives now like democracy
the british working class are more right wing now because of retarded identity politics being the focus
but the left used to about workers rights (rather than minority rights) and so thats what the working class identified with

>Commies are just fascists
spotted a man who couldn’t define either communism or fascism without googling it first.

marx wrote very extensively about the myth of human nature and capitalism, not that you would know that though because you’ve never dived into his work (perhaps sans the communist manifesto, a fucking pamphlet which is hardly representative of marxist theory and methodology.)

>monarchism used to be conservative but conservatives now like democracy
monarchism is and was SOCIALLY conservative, conservatism is its own ideology, you uneducated twit.

i wasn’t aware that any communist countries have ever existed before. here i was under the impression that the USSR, north vietnam, cuba, china, etc., all had states!

>I’m not against record companies at all. Independents are no different. They’re just like big record companies with less facilities, and they wear different clothes.
>Crass attack people who play on emotions and that’s exactly what they do. Kid’s emotions. It’s a badge innit? I like to see a kid in a Motorhead tee-shirt, but I worry about a kid in a Crass tee-shirt. That sort of mass equality thing freaks me out, after a while you end up not being a person.
>Crass reminds me of when I was very heavily into left wing politics when I was about 17. I got really psychotic about it, about sexism and all that. Anybody who doesn’t agree with you is like a fucking lackey. You realize in the end it’s your own inadequacies that gear you towards that in the first place.
>No actually I find Bushell’s mob a lot more stimulating politically, I really do. That’s a more honest political statement than anything else going down. I think it’s a genuine statement. And it’s a lot more convincing than the Gang Of Four will ever be. It says a lot about England that music.
>The talent is somewhere else, but it’s not in the Gang Of Four. The Gang Of Four are never going to do anything positive. Those skinheads aren’t taken in by shit like the Gang Of Four and that’s a positive plus to them.
>Of course it’s dangerous, but so is the English working class. The 4-Skins are more relevant to what’s going on in the country, no matter what they play like, than the Gang Of Four’s songs about Chinks in 1951 and all this, man. It’s more true, man, and it’s probably as good musically...
>The Pop Group's stuff is good, but they tried so hard to be different, they just fell flat on their faces, and innovators don't do that. When you dissect the Pistols they were a sub-Who heavy metal band. It came out beautiful because it was unconscious.

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>this ahistorical stereotype that most communists have rich parents
incidentally, rich people have better access to education in the US, which might explain why it seems like so many of them are socialists. just might. they aren’t as focused on downright surviving til the next day or taking care of their health care-less sick family members like the working class are, so they’ve got all the time in the world to engage their heads and be intellectually honest about the world around them.

>conservatism is its own ideology even though it doesn’t have core specific beliefs between nations and time and is by definition of the word a relative term

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so through the fruits of capitalism they were able to use money to learn about socialism all day. sounds like a good way to help out the working class. thank you rich kids!

>worse than vegans
hurr durr vegans bad
>you'll look back at yourself years from now and be embarrassed
imagine getting embarrased at something you did in the past

>educating people on class consciousness isn’t good or effective
what a fucking moron you are.

Never said it wasn’t? I’m literally thanking the rich kids for opening my eyes

We simply have no choice but to exist within capitalism, given that it surrounds us and infects every aspect of our daily lives. This seems extremely obvious but I understand you’re a reactionary who’s just pretending to have an opinion.

Now can you help me rich kid? Please buy me some health care. Just give up 20% more of your paycheck please because I’ll gladly take it bud

What's some essential commie alt rock / post-punk?

>Manic Street Preachers
>Gang of Four

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because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism

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Wow you really found me out. Now give me some money for health care and get rid of my student debt too, since you are smarter than me.
T. plumber

good! we’ll hang them with the rope we purchased off of them.

I’m middle class, no clue why you’re assuming I’m rich. i love unhinged reactionaries who can’t do anything but argue sarcastically (because they don’t have any real opinions)

Fuck do I need a real opinion for? That’s not going to pay for my medical bills cunt

>The Clash
>Wire
>This Heat
>Stereolab

Shut up retard marx sperged out about the labor theory of value for 100 pages to try to make communism work but it takes two seconds of thinking about the labor theory of value to realize hes retarded

youtube.com/watch?v=2W6zK9givao
people listen to this?

Found the triggered rich kid. Peasants fair poorly under every system youve tried. Go find some other proles to die so you can have power like your rich parents. If you were really smart and not sheltered, you'd know poor people respect honesty. At least have the decency to act your station and not talk down to us while saying you're our friend.

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