What's your answer to this?

>tfw missed out on the days of CDs and physical media
>soon we will never regain the feeling of picking up an album at a record store and listening to it in our cars on the way home again
Go ahead call me a boomer. I have a weird nostalgia for it all. CDs have at most 20 years left until literally no one will want them due to nobody having a CD player in their cars.

This. We have Clairo and Billy. They're the voice of our generation like Grimes and Death Grips were the voice of millennials.

OH NO NO NO

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boomer

>What are the revenues like?

garbage, most artists just release an album every few years and use it to propel touring which they can actually make money off of

CDs were a fad

>CDs have at most 20 years left until literally no one will want them due to nobody having a CD player in their cars.
Less than 10 years, theres barely anything with a disk drive now unless you go out of your way to buy one

You can start being like your hero by killing yourself

you can buy USB disk drives no problem. They still exist, the only difference is that they aren't prebuilt into every computer.

CDs had basically no competition in 2000 (post-vinyl and cassettes, but pre-iTunes, Spotify and YouTube)

>average cost of a CD in 00s
$5
>CDs in 2019
$25

t. jude rubinstein, president and ceo of UMG

so this is why music is dying

New bands still release on vinyl

The market is a strange place, there is a strong demand for physical cds/records as its something a fan can actually hold and collect. People stream all the time but the things they really like they collect.

Claiming CDs cost $5 in the 00s is a baldfaced lie. I could get new ones online for $10-11 with free shipping for buying in bulk pretty standard though. Now it is more like $12-$15.

>normalfags figured out piracy
based

spotify alone has 100 million premium subscribers at a $10/month rate while apple has 60 million

$10 is equivalent to 2/3 of late 90s/early 00s album price ($15) which means for 100 million subscribers the revenue generated is equivalent to around 66 million album sales per month for spotify alone (about 43 millon album sales)

so the grand total for spotify and apple is 160 million subscribers worth around 109 million album sales (monthly), or 1.3 billion album sales per year

there are other revenue streams too like google, tidal, or physical album sales but i’m sure spotify/apple make up the bulk of it so we’d be looking at 1.5 billion album equivalent sales in terms of how much money is being spent on all this

of course we would have to decrease that to adjust for inflation but it’s also true that the album prices were kinda gouge-tier back then at $15

point is people are still paying for music the only thing that has changed is there is another hand (spotify/apple) dipping into the artists’ revenue stream before it even gets to the label level of dipping

>(about 43 millon album sales)
meant to say this was the apple album equivalent sales figure, like 60 million subscribers are generating revenue equivalent to about 43 million album sales in early 00s

looks like its getting better, i dont see the issue

Lmao you missed out. Poor helpless zoomer

Based 70s peaking so high despite predominantly having vinvyl format only

desu nobody's interested in how much money is coming in via stream because their statistics don't show what the market-place wants, they just show what the algorithm can get them to listen to until they switch to the next song. and i don't see any reinvestment into musicians that old school labels would've done.

spotify doesn't have a brand it needs to build on (besides releasing their virtue signaling swedish uber suicide nazi statements when necessary). it's brand is that it has everything. it's like the public library. when you really think about it, it's the dumbest concept.

Arcade games? 5.25" floppies? Soviet communism?

Streaming, downloads and vinyl are the future. cds aren't as convenient as downloads or streaming and aren't as nice of a tactile experience as vinyl.

>thinking streaming services report any stats
they don't
they also kill the record executive kikes who try to monopolize the charts so are very based.
i still buy cds because the old 10 cd changer in my car still works and i travel a ton.

vinyl duh

>touring which they can actually make money off of
Do the math on this for me, because I'm not convinced that tours aren't run at a loss these days. Pick a middle of the road artist who'll do 30 dates of 1,000 cap venues and show me.

yeah definitely, in terms of paying the artists what their music is worth the streaming platforms are definitely not the same as old album sales

my point was that the market is still spending that much

i read recently that there is a push to change streaming payouts to work individually. right now for spotify $5-6 of the fee is payable on royalties. it is added to a single pool which is then it is split between all artists based on their percentage of total streams

so that changes would look at what each user listened to and split their $5-6 up among those artiste. makes a lot more sense as niche artists with dedicated fanbases can make more money. right now a lot of their money is going to taylor swift and shit lmao

I am surprised that so many CD’s are still being sold desu. It’s probably boomers. If you’re gonna buy physical, only vinyl still makes (some) sense

>the only difference is that they aren't prebuilt into every computer.
>theres barely anything with a disk drive now unless you go out of your way to buy one
so you're GOING OUT OF YOUR WAY to listen to a CD in this day and age. CDs are already obsolete, some articles are already calling the 3.5 mm headphone jack obsolete, which it is.

>soviet communism
don't remind me, user

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the new retro 80s meme actually boosted the sales of cassettes.

cds will exist just fine as long as ISPs keep imposing data limits. which is the real lid on the streaming market.

More like normalfags don't have to buy music again thanks to youtube.

youtube is trying to force a subscription service specifically for music, surely you've seen the pop ups, it appears even when you adblock.

what's this quote from

Good. Recordings ruined the tradition of music and live music especially as well because it destroyed the boundaries between amateurs and professionals who want to continue said tradition with soul

I hope we never had those hacks.

Chad Fucks 19 year old RIAA Teen and Cums Inside

>as long as ISPs keep imposing data limits
Must suck to live in America.

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I agree but at the same time one of my favorite bands is one that I'll probably never get to see live since they only play live like a couple times a year and it's always completely random when it happens and is usually all the way over in Australia or somewhere else that I can't afford to fly out to on such short notice. So CDs and recordings of everything (live shows, bootlegs, various tracks not released on albums) are very important to me

Music is for children. Real men listen to construction noise.

youtube.com/watch?v=AB4Ov9t4aq4

I've stopped sharing files on Soulseek. Hopefully this will encourage people to buy music again.

Digital stores exist in abundance now and simply did not in 2000. Pretty damn simple.

>what the market-place wants, they just show what the algorithm can get them to listen to until they switch to the next song.
I feel like this could almost kill music.

>2000: kinda shitty music
>2018: extremely shitty music

wires will never die and increased thinness of phones is certainly not reason enough to change that

Wire. Wire never changes.

I dont, i get unlimited free fiber because my tiny village paid for its own upgraded system since big ISPs don't give a shit about non cities.

Didn't say you did. I said Americans.

>wires will never die
ok, lets see because i think by 2030 wired headphones/chargers/speakers/whatever are going to be all wireless. And wireless charging will be able to charge things from a distance.

that's a pretty in-depth analysis that makes sense. thank you

Good riddance

>zoomers will never experience
the satisfaction of having a shelf full to the brim of CDs

I do that by buying them from second hand stores. I recommend it. CDs are cheap and you can find cool stuff. Super comfy

I actually think music was better this decade than it was in the 2000s. So much garbage was released in the early 2000s in particular.

Flipping through the little art booklet and seeing things that you've never seen before was tons of fun. I just don't get the same feeling when flipping through images on a computer.

Good riddance

>20 years
Less than that. Probably only a few more

vinyl doesn't make any sense

I only buy CDs because I know that I won't have Apple Music my whole life. If there's an album that has at least 2 songs in it that I like, I'll buy the CD and copy it on my old laptop but continue streaming it on Apple Music

not that easy to copy the songs with vinyl

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When's the last time you purchased a record? Just about every single record I have purchased in the last few years has came with a download code. Don't have to worry about transferring shit around and big album art

no one wants to be the next kurt cobain or john lennon because they both ended with their brains blasted open

Yes user, it definitely does. Pardon the p4k but they have a good point when it comes to greta van fleet

"But for as retro as Anthem of the Peaceful Army may seem, in actuality, it is the future. It’s proof of concept that in the streaming and algorithm economy, a band doesn’t need to really capture the past, it just needs to come close enough so that a computer can assign it to its definite article. The more unique it sounds, the less chance it has to be placed alongside what you already love. So when the Greta Van Fleet of your favorite artist finally lands on your morning playlist, spark up a bowl of nostalgia and enjoy the self-satisfied buzz of recognizing something you already know. It’s the cheapest high in music."

vinyl makes sense in that it provides nice looking big artwork and "listening ritual" and that shit
CDs are just butt ugly shit that is easily scratched and you get the exact same quality from torrents, slsk or whatever

I think each format has pros and cons and it really depends on the genre most of all. CDs are good for archival music and compilations like smithsonian folkways and cassettes are ideal for experimental, ambient, noise etc.

>spark up a bowl of nostalgia and enjoy the self-satisfied buzz of recognizing something you already know. It’s the cheapest high in music.
DUDE MUSIC LMAO

according to this from 1990 to 2010 NOBODY listened to vinyl. that cant be right

Like cassettes, 8-tracks, and 45 singles?

People still buy music new? lol

All of the above

They were not a fad, they were an intentional business model. They got fat and happy as everyone replaced their vinyl library with CDs, while crying poor about Napster. The music industry is all liars and conmen, at the top.

They've always adjusted. Vinyl sales dropping - CDs save the day. CDs start to fail? Hey, look at what we have, we call it a "box set". That starts to fail, hey look, we have this thing called iTunes, you get to buy your music AGAIN. That starts to fail, we'll buy your streaming sites and take a percentage of tour income from our artists dumb enough to sign 360 deals. And we want a cut of the t-shirt money, too.

I fully expect that the labels are going to start demanding a percentage of publishing in the coming decade, because that's where the last bastion of wealth for musicians is, that they can't touch. Ever wonder why concert tickets are more than a month's pay now? It's because the labels are taking a cut, and artists have to charge more, because nobody makes money from album sales anymore, unless you're a designated "star" like GaGa or Katy Perry.
Welcome to the record industry. Just hand your cash to the record execs, because they're gonna get it eventually.

This

Trivia - every physical hard drive sold has a percentage given to the RIAA because of piracy.

Great industry, huh? They did the same damn thing with blank cassette tapes - while Al Gore's wife was wasting everyone's time with the PMRC, he was passing the blank tape tax in Congress.

I don't know if they got it expanded to SSDs and thumbdrives, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

That's the natural order

CD's were NEVER $5.

In fact, the RIAA published an ad/editorial in Billboard back then, promising to lower CD prices, because they didn't have enough pressing plants and it's new tech and expensive yada yada yada. And never did lower them, until Apple forced them to, with the $9.99 price point on iTunes.

The last time an album was $5 was the early 80's, for vinyl - and that was on sale. Most albums were $7-$8. By the time CDs came along, albums were about $14, sometimes more. That's vinyl. The first CDs I bought were closer to $20, they were fucking expensive at first.