Why is Rock dead in the mainstream? Is it creatively bankrupt? How long until hip hop is creatively bankrupt...

got a link?

Good creative rock has been released this year, better than most hip hop released. its not being played on the radio, but who gives a shit?

Hmmm paying one person is cheeper than paying a whole band. Wonder whos behind this? hmmm

legit answer is because most of the traditional rock themes that made it stand apart in the first place, like being against war, revolting against the system, having your friends die of heroine overdose, have all fallen out of the zeitgeist

the traditional theme of sex and drugs was coopted by other genres with more relatable delivery (i.e. less music in the way), while general rebellion was coopted by rap i.e. getting shot by the police and being kept down i.e. fuck whitey

It's about how celebrity works. People want superstars.

Because zoomers doesn’t listen to it.

It’s not hip anymore, and it’s considered a very conservative genre in comparison with rap or mainstream pop music.

Also, many of the foundational rock musicians (Jimmy Page, David Bowie, John Lennon etc) have been “cancelled“ due to being pedos (their words not mine) and beating women.

Source: am zoomer

People want to quote lyrics. Rock doesn't have many quotable lyrics. Rap has tons of them.

Hmm wonder who popularized being a superstar? hmm

This. If you’re currently in a band and wanna get big, break the fuck off. You are losing your time
Stupid. What happens is that people nowadays want to consume not only the music but also the artist. They want to feel a personal connection with the artist. It is easier to have a personal connection with a solo artist than a band. This is also one of the reasons why rap is so successful atm, because rappers are perceived as solo even though their albums are almost always feature heavy and usually a fuckload of producers are employed

Nice take

A.I.-generated pop is the future

this. who cares about the mainstream? we just got that black dice record which was an amazingly creative rock record.

you should yeah

>It is easier to have a personal connection with a solo artist than a band

This only depends on how much you are emotionally invested in the music you're listening to, ans want to go futher to want to know about the person behind the music, doesnt matter if its a band or a solo artist. That is a subjective opinion and not everyone has the same taste or emotions.

Mate did you really just suggest that hip hop isn't the most commercialized genre on the fucking planet

fuck I meant black midi. I should go to bed.

Everyone I know, myself included, stopped listening to the radio because the only new bands they'd promote was post grunge dude bro bullshit. The occasional great band would slip through the cracks but this just wasn't true anymore at some point in the 2000s. Underground rock shows still do very well, Red Fang was packed, but none of them will ever get signed to a major label and become the next Nirvana.

Greta Van Fleet aren't aussies

this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard

Because it's being played by cringeworthy chubby stoners and effeminate dorks like wampire, red fang, and greta van fleet.

Rock was never good music. It was cool people. That's how normies work, they don't listen to good music, they associate with cool people and become cool by extension. They don't give a shit about the actual music. That shit is background noise. Listening to the music of a cool person makes you cool. Listening to the music of a chubby stoner makes you a chubby stoner.

Rap is also literally the same only more streamlined and if you pay attention it's in the death phase rock was in during the late 2000s and early 2010s as rappers are becoming more honest with themselves and less cool.

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Hip-hop and all the other nigger shit is creativity already bankrupted, user. It is pushed because it is so fucking cheap to produce, Mr. Goldenberg has to pay a nigga instead of a band of 4-5-6 musicians.

yeah their instrumentals don't sound like zep cause they're shit at composing

I've said it a thousand times before but I'll say it again. Rock was always dogshit. Rap has more depth, more feeling, more creativity than any pos rock song ever did. It was never meant to be mainstream and I'm glad that it isnt, now go back to listening to your dads music alone in the basement you fucking incel

The mainstream has ignored it for years. Shit like the Grammys and MTV awards refuse to show it regardless of how many records are sold from big bands, which is the only way normies know about music, so they think it doesn't exist anymore even though it does.

And to be noted, the biggest forms of rock is stuff more in the hard rock/metal world, outside of oddball shit like Metallica playing with Lady Gaga, you won't hear about it in the same breath as mainstream pop music.

>hip hop is the new rock and thats a good thing because hip hop was always superior to rock, a boring, thoroughly played out genre tainted by commercialism
Hip hop is for the most part disposable trashy crap for kids, it doesn't have what it takes to be "classic", it's here today gone tomorrow music just like pop, and is THE MOST commercial genre ever, it's literally made for max commerciality and sells corporate products like drugs, sneakers, watches, fast food, etc etc

And this is what it comes down to, Hip Hop is able to make more money by the bigwigs now that nobody actually buys music, and the more disposable and trendy an artist is, the better, they can completely control hip hop artists because the fanbase outside of the mega stars like Eminem and Jay Z just doesn't give a shit, so they can wash their hands of artists within a few years and sucker in some new ignorant 18 year old to swindle and make famous for a year.

sure ill stay in my basement and you can stay in the streets where you can get stabbed and/or shot nigger.

>nigga i got nikes nigga i got hoes nigga i can row row row my boat with my scrote i do coke i am woke i'm a muthafuckin joke my music sucks nuts, anybody can do it, if you gimme a dumb slut, im not gonna screw it cuz im gay, yeee boi im a fag, i like to suck dick until i gag

Rap is for retards, and is not music, and requires absolutely no talent outside of the very peak of the genre which is only imrpressive because of language autism, that 90 percent of rap does not have and is nothing more than vulgar obscene nursery rhymes to sell sneakers

back to red.dit nigger

does it matter if your favorite bands and artists have a thousand or a million fans? As long they continue releasing music you enjoy, it's okay right? I don't get the obsession with charts

this exactly, except for maybe the part about rockstars being cancelled. That's never been a significant factor in zoomers not listening to rock music. 99% of people (i.e. everyone except for extremely online twitter addicted retards) don't really let cancel culture impact their musical consumption.

mainstream rock just isn't cool anymore. It's associated with dads and dorky kids. (And indie rock has always been niche, even back in the day)

I do think that hiphop is going to lose a little bit of that cool factor it has now in the next few years. It has reached its creative nadir with the advent of trap, mumble rap and soundcloud rap. I predict that kids in 5-10 years time will look at hiphop and associate it more with the negative than the positive -- they'll probably consider today's rappers druggy lowlife face tatted idiots instead of fascinating "nihilistic" face-tatted idiots

Somebody to post Steven Wilson's opinion on them.

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I unironically see Alternative Country becoming massive in the 2020s. It will serve as nice change of pace to the bro-country and hip-hop that has been big in the 2010s.

This, popular rock culture couldn't recover from the absolute garbage of the mid 2000s. Pansy-handed buttrock chugging plus theatre troop reject howling and "I want to be a fucking annoying 13 year old forever!" pop punk were the inspiration for making shitty bands to come.

Indie rock has always been for a very specific niche audience, and there's no Smashing Pumpkins or something making music engaging enough to cross over at all.

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Pretty much this, rap is going through the same thing right now with hot garbage like Blueface Cardi B and Lil Nas X getting constant plays so i can see the same thing happening 10-20 years from now

Alt Country is for trust fund basedboys and has been for a long time, Wilco used to seethe when someone would associate them with that crowd

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Cardi B has some good singles, but "Press" is pretty bad

its lessened popularity among youths is probably because rock is what their dad listened too.
wanting to be different from the past generation is what ends up causing most big generational shifts.
youths now have gen Xer parents, who probably listen to the rock they used to listen to.
ergo...

somple ebin

do boomers like Steve Wilson/Porcupine Tree, or do they only know him as the guy who remixes all their favorite prog albums

Both rock and rap are over the hill garbage now. Harsh noise and industrial are going to be mainstream in the future.

I went to a Steven Wilson concert last year (best one I've seen so far) and the audience was formed of two categories: either young people, no one older than 25, or boomers in King Crimson and Pink Floyd t shirts.
Some of them know him as the remixing guy, others have checked his music.

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Industrial is REAL edgelord shit that had it's peak in the 90s in terms of popularity. Nothing that's truly edgy or counter culture will be promoted again, because they don't need it and it doesn't benefit them.

The disgusting truth of the matter, is that the powers that be are trying to orchestrate a "one world music', something that is essentially just disposable pop music....but has the rebel/anti conformity image of rock, and also has the "street cred" of hip hop....all fused into one shitty style of "alterna hip pop"

This is what all the "hot" artists today are showing us, hopefully people see through it and reject it as just another trend before it gets to the point that it takes over.

SEETHING

It has some merit, rap seems to appeal to people who want to sing/rap along with lyrics

In the mainstream what seems to be happening is all genres fusing into one genre over time.

kek imagine thinking this