Okay I'm super baked rn but hear me out. People mention (perhaps jokingly or not) on this board - "when is rap going to die out?" "Rock ran for about 40-50 years from 1965 to 1998 or 2013, depending on your outlook. Rap should expire by 2020 if it has a 40 year genre run, right?"
Okay so like rap is entering a "grunge" phase, which has been heavily worked towards and foreshadowed this whole decade. First you got Kid Cudi being all emo and writing a failed grunge-rap album, okay. Then you got the emo rap wave with some people like Lil Peep almost getting the rap grunge sound but not completely. Now Denzel had got songs called Clout Cobain, and everyone is wearing those Kurt Kobain glasses now (pic related). If playboi carti is shoegaze rap, then that means that we're on the cusp of the perfection of grunge rap within the next year or two. Someone in that scene is going to blow up and have tragic downfall, then rap will finally enter its post-grunge phase which will ultimately kill the genre as a whole. When a scene becomes grunge, that's when they fully begin embracing junkies, terrible songwriters and singers, and whiny bitches into the mainstream, and once that becomes the entirety of lyrical content it effectively merges with the melodramatic-pop music and is then obliterated into the corporate music industry.
Anyways what I'm saying, is rap is going to suck by 2030, and it will ultimately die and leave a vacuum for a new genre to reach its apex in the (sub/counter-)cultural mainstream.
Will we still get good hip hop albums past 2030? So it depends on your outlook. Since rap will be fully gentrified by 2030, there is a small possibility that some of the gentrifiers are more of those liberal bohemian types that can legitimately make decent gentrified rap, but only time will tell.
The 2020s are going to be the final decade of hip-hop
Same glasses as Kurt for reference
>t-this will be the end of rap says increasingly nervous man for the 100th time this decade
fuck off. innovation always comes from the youth and guess what the youth are overwhelmingly invested in? rap
No I'm not saying the death of rap will be a good thing or that I want it to die, I'm just saying I have a vision so it could die like this
delusional
incel
autist
Yes and the same was true of rock until about 15 years ago. It's not about 'the youth' in general, but the ones who are forward thinking and trying to push boundaries. That gave us SoundCloud rap same as we got grunge from the approximate rock equivalent in the 90s, but sc rap is a parody of itself at this point and seems to be creatively spent, just like grunge was once it broke mainstream.
The new genre is one that already exists, but what has the ascendency? Trends come and go too quickly in the EDM scene so I doubt it will come from there. There's no modern rock 'movement' so to speak which could do it.
Which genre will rise in the 2020s to dominate music for the coming decades?
all music is having a problem w.innovation now, it's not exclusive to anyone.
>1998 or 2013
u shouldve just stopped after this
are you 15?
This. The best art is behind us now, humanity's creative potential is being destroyed by technology and addiction to it
>That gave us SoundCloud rap same as we got grunge from the approximate rock equivalent in the 90s, but sc rap is a parody of itself at this point and seems to be creatively spent, just like grunge was once it broke mainstream.
Ahh, okay so maybe Lil Peep really was Kurt Cobain in that case, and the glasses are reasserting the metaphor that's already passed rather than forewarning one. Interesting.
So maybe rap already is entering post-grunge? That means there still might be lingering remnants adjacent to grunge-rap, such as the eventual preserverance of shoegaze-rap and post-rap.
Regardless, I believe it will be supplanted by at first another rise of EDM and electronic music in the mainstream, then honestly I could feel the emergence of a sound that either builds off of the electronic-pop orchestration of Julia Holter or Weyes Blood to explore the hybridization of classical music with pop, much like the sound surrounding Björk.
baroque pop has existed forever go back to lurking pseud
nu-metal with trap influences
Holy shit I'm imagining boom by POD with an 808 for the bass and trap hats and in my head it actually sounds good
it's a natural fit desu, and it would make sense in the current agressive rap / over the top pseudo sub-culture aesthetics / 2000s revival climate
We’re already reaching that phase
see: Ghostemane
agree with this desu
Also ZillaKami
Trends and movements within genres do not necessarily map onto other genres.
Thank god. It couldn't come sooner.
are you guys new this shit has been around for a couple of years now lmao literally take 30 seconds and look on soundcloud. it exists everywhere
Playboi Carti is trash don't @ me.
i do feel like rap these days is really over saturated and that it might die down a lot in the next decade
Is this some kind of copy pasta? Rap will always be around and popular because it's catchy and requires less effort and time making it one of the most profitable kinds music if not the most
>innovation always comes from the youth
Imagine believing this. Stop eating so much cheese.
We can only hope. One thing I really, really dislike is the insane shielding of this one genre of music. It's empty calories. It's basic. Yeah, some of it can get you amped up but it's basic entertainment. Stop claiming it is high art. Stop claiming it has ever produced even one (1) masterwork.
Rap everywhere has died. Lyrical Rap got killed off by the zoomies. Mumble Rap is now uncool cause nobody is really living the lifestyle like Pump and Purpp made it out to be. The conscience scene is flopping. Reddit bands have all either disappeared or been character assassinated by their own fan groups (Brockhampton, RTJ). The Gangsta Rap scene is dead with 6ix9ine going to Prison. Emo Rap became oversaturated. Nu-Metal Trap is suffering from the same thing. And the Art Hop guys have all abandoned the genre if favour of modern R&B, Funk and Frank Ocean worship (Tyler, Gambino). The future is shill Art Pop and commercial-friendly novelty music (Lil Nas X, Eilish). But I do see a resurgence in Rock at least in Europe. More kids are picking up guitars and Stones records. In Russia, there's kind of a small boom with this. Nothing crazy but it's rising. People are still really angry and all this hidden anger will result in a Stooges type band from Europe or South America which will be really anti-journalism, anti-Corporation, Anti-Americana but with misogynistic attitudes and hype streetwear that the kids. The band will probably be of different ethnicites also. My predictions that's all.
I agree OP, rap has definitely hit a wall as of late. Most of the potential culture drivers such as Lil Uzi and Kodak Black are unable to release music. 21 savage has abandoned his old more interesting unique sound. XXXTentacion was killed (although he had released nothing short of trash post-soundcloud blow up). Lil Peep is dead (leaving a vaccuum for labels to stuff every fucking industry plant to fill his role). Danny Brown likes to stream rather than rap. Kanye's insane. Rocky is too busy being a mogul and being arrested in sweden to produce actually ground breaking music like his debut tape. NBA Youngboy arrested. Young Thug has gone mainstream with his sound. Playboi Carti is a troll but has the most interesting sound out atm. Everybody is a clone of Thug in a bad way (As opposed to everyone was a clone of Keef, but then extrapolated on keef's style in different ways. Where as Lil Keed, Lil Gotit, and Gunna are just portions of Thug isolated and kept in stasis unevolving). Keef too busy being Keef to put together a cohesive project 9/10 times.
ATM rap is definitely in a slump, what it needs is for a local scene to explode with a unique sound. Similar to the explosions of east/west coast sound, drill scene, Atlanta mumble rap, soundcloud/florida scene. This is the only way that rap will become interesting as it provides an archetype for a sound but then allows the natives of that area to extrapolate on it with their own ideas yet remaining at its core similar.
>Lil Peep
>rap
He was singing. All he fucking did was sing.
The only songs where he didn't sing are Gym Class and Star Shopping.
Why the FUCK do people call him a rapper it boggles my mind.
He wasn't signing, he was just hyper-melodic rap. Also there are plenty more examples of him rapping rather than singing such as; Better Off Dying, Benz Truck, Runaway,
Finally, death to that awful nigger music.
>Lol user! You're on AUX for the party! Play SWANS or Velvet Underground! RIP IT!!
Oky Doke there cow poke
>hyper-melodic rap
That's Young Thug. Lil Peep was full-on singing. I'm convinced the only reason he's considered a rapper is because of the tattoos. Same with Post Malone.
You think that because you only listen to mainstream stuff. Rap is really big and diverse you just have to look for it.
fuck SWANS and Velvet Underground. Bot of those bands are shitty Yea Forumscore fag shit, just like that nigger "music called rap.
I don't know much about rap but is there any 90s rap revival?
In your opinion what is non-mainstream/underground rap
So what do you listen to gate keeper of musical intelligence? You sound real fun at social events.
Not entirely sure about 90's revival but the beast coast movement of early 2010's was a kind of reinterpretation of the East Coast sound with Pro era (Joeybadass's early tapes, capital steez), Flatbush zombies, the underachievers to a lesser extent. YG's album Still Brazy was a really fun and good modernization of the West Coast and G-Funk sound. Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly has an avantgarde 90's appeal to it I think, not positive if you'd be into it.
Well unlike you, I am fun at events, becus i don't spend my time jacking off to shitty artists on this god forsaken board.
>In your opinion what is non-mainstream/underground rap
Anything that isn't overly advertised on spotify/social media when a new album drops. There is no true ''underground'' anymore, rap is too diverse for that.I remember listening to Ski Mask and Carti when they weren't as popular. Their shit sounded way different compared to anyone else. But when someone gets the mainstream spotlight their style starts getting copied and they start innovating less. Shit starts getting stale and that makes it seem like the genre isn't progressing. But you just have to dig deeper and you'll find people experimenting and doing weird shit.
Hahaha yeah, why would I be browsing a music forum to talk about music artists I enjoy? Haha totally got me
The only thing that you showed me that you enjoy is going out of your way to act like a smart ass. I don't see you talking about music that you like.
Both me,
all I see you doing is throwing a temper tantrum because people enjoy something you don't
Woops forgot to tag you
haha yes, faggot
>Griselda Records crew
>Armand Hammer
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>Al Divino
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this thread is embarrassing
Think there are going to be more good rap albums like this ?
Seething
Sure
(^;
Nobody likes East Coast lyrical yelling at the mic rap anymore grandpa
Unfortunately not any time soon the early 2010's was an explosion and golden era of rap innovation and sound. Rap music was being expanded upon in almost every place in every way. In NY you had ASAP Mob and Pro Era doing drastically different things in the same geographic area (not to mention shabazz's and Rocky's collab efforts). TDE on the west coast. Mumble rap in Atlanta. The seeds of Florida rap being planted by Raider Klan and Denzel Curry. Danny Brown and Mick Jenkins in Detroit. Lil Ugly Mane doing his thang. Chicago Drill revolutionizing every other genre and the persona rappers adopted. Freddie Gibbs and Madlib releasing top 5 albums of the decade. Positive I'm missing some but w/e
retard
I may be retarded but I'm not wrong
There doesnt need to be any new genre.All genres of music have infinite potential,be it rap,electronica,rock,jazz or whatever.If you mean what will be the next popular thing,then it doesnt matter,it will go like this
>musician with creativity creates something good
>suits get an army of industry plants ,make a formula of what they think was the secret of original successful thing,write songs for their plants using this formula and find more success making soulless music
If you care about music,go on bandcamp.No one there will get recognized,but after listening to a few dozens of god-awful albums that have been made a million times before,you will start finding some gems worth listening over and over again every once in a while.
>Okay so like rap is entering a "grunge" phase
This is true, however as a large fan of modern metal and hardcore most of these rappers emulate and take inspiration from very outdated bands from the 80's and 90's you will never see a rapper wearing merch of a band from the past decade. The only rapper who is genuinely involved in metal is Ghostemane who did a show with Code Orange, Vein, and Kaonashi (I hate Code Orange but I love the 2 other bands). If you want me to be honest this grungy rap entered its deathbed with the death of Lil Peep and died with X. I'm not a fan of Ghostemane anymore, its too try-hard and feels inauthentic.
The pop-punk / emo inspired rap is dying because the scene is ran by some of the most boring singers that make my ears bleed (fat'se, 93feetofsmoke). And metal rap will die because of the corny and unlikeable rappers like nascar aloe and scarlxrd.
Theyre gaining a bit of steam but really won't go anywhere. Lyrical shit is being pushed out man
I fucking hope so. Radio is unbearable these days. I'd like an acoustic music revival
Lot of good mentions here just want to add some more novel sounds made by Odd Future, whose former members are now kind of merging hip hop and neo-soul. Also can't forget the Beast Coast psychadelic rap scene that took off surrounding Flatbush Zombies, The Underachievers, and Brainfeeder label stuff reviving trip-hop.
Rap isn't dead currently, but think how quickly rock sputtered out? You can get one record which "revolutionizes" everything but really makes everyone struggle and fail to imitate it until the end of time. It could happen to rap soon.
>People are still really angry and all this hidden anger will result in a Stooges type band from Europe or South America which will be really anti-journalism, anti-Corporation, Anti-Americana but with misogynistic attitudes and hype streetwear that the kids. The band will probably be of different ethnicites also. My predictions that's all.
But it'll be rock? Interesting...
I want to hear original World Hip Hop.
Unfortunetaly, thanks to the culture of Hip Hop, this is not going to happen, like it did with Jazz or Rock music.
my genre bitch boys
Playboi Carti is incredible don't @ me.
Guru is gonna safe hiphop
>innovation always comes from the youth
when HASNT this been the case?
Hip Hop is the newest and last genre that is possible to be created. Anything further can be classified as a subgenre. In modern culture we basically just have Rock, Pop and Hip Hop. (counting R&B as hip hop)
If hip hop dies off, which is possible, the culture will switch to something else that already exists. It's not possible to create any new genres as we've classified everything that is possible to create.
Also I'm not referring to subgenres, because by definition those can be classified under their respective "parent" genres.
nu swans
This. even boomer music was made when the artists were in their youth. Older artists currently living rarely make music that doesn't resemble what it sounded like 30+ years ago. There are exceptions of course but it's uncommon.
>counting R&B as hip hop
R&B is so separated from hiphop i would consider it its own separate genre
how is swans innovative, especially nowadays.
Eh, there's a thin line imo. It's so easy to combine them without it sounding like a genre mash. Anderson .Paak for example. You could call his music hip hop. You could also call it R&B. It doesn't sound like he's mashing genres or anything. Which is why many people just classify it all as "Hip-Hop/R&B" in a catchall. They are different but they're born out of the same culture and same influences.
>They are different but they're born out of the same culture and same influences.
i think you can easily distinguish what makes up a R&B album compared to a hip-hop album while also hearing characteristics that are unique to each genre, that to me makes me consider it a separate genre in its own right
Their larger than life explosions of guitar noise and bass driven grooves create a very unique atmosphere that sets them apart from and sounds more sophisticated than other “post rock” bands
To be completely honest i feel the next "wave" of a genre thatll overtake the mainstream may perhaps be video game like music inspired from 90s game and indie hits like undertale
hip hop is going to diversify in sound into so many subgenres so much that using the label hip hop will be useless. think how someone describing a song as rock is now. we're already seeing that with this decade hitting the near of its end
In a Cyberpunk future, Machine Girl will be playing everywhere alongside vaporwave music
I would love some kind of future where ambient/dark ambient or some music like Richard D. James Album is the norm
>Someone in that scene is going to blow up and have tragic downfall
CLOUT
MARTYR
It would be cool but normies need lyrics. Irl almost nobody listens to bleep.
profit doesn't equal quality nigger
shut the fuck up nigger...
yet your dumb brown ass is here on a weekend
shut the fuck up cracker...
Yep, this is going in my cringe folder
>improving on an already established genre is innovative
cmon son
In the 2000s, rock was the cool, hip, credible genre, with bands like The Strokes, Arctic Monkeys, The White Stripes, The Libertines, Kings of Leon, Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand, etc. Meanwhile hip hop was viewed as lame because most of the artists were "gangsta rap."
People eventually got sick of all the ten a penny rock bands that got shilled everywhere. At the minute rap is now the hip genre while rock is viewed as boring. Eventually people will get sick of the countless rap artists flooding everywhere.
The question is, what will be the next big thing? It'd be nice for metal or hard rock to take the reins.
As for hip hop, I'd love for there to be a retro sounding movement like there has been many of in rock. Turntables, samples of old 70s soul and funk songs. Much preferable to the processed synth shit you get today.
I don't see rock making any sort of comeback in a while desu electronic music will be the part of the mainstream for a loooooong time
Decade? It won’t last the decade
>begin embracing terrible songwriters and singers
>implying that hasn’t been for hip hop’s entire lifespan
Of course but niggers and zoomers don't feel the same way. That's why it will always be around
>no modern rock movement
based low IQ bugman that exclusively listens to popular music
maybe because he was a talentless hack that couldn’t actually sing. retarded zoomers
electronic music, rock music and hiphop music combined into one new genre, which obviously is just called pop music, is the future of music. you can try to deny it but you probably know this is where we are heading. combine as many things that worked before and try making it work again. kids are stupid and i doubt they will become any less stupid in the upcoming decades. enjoy your popmusic, user.
that’s right nigger ill crack that whip on your back and you’ll always be my bitchboy like you were for the past couple centuries
kill yourself illiterate nonwhite
how's the wife cleetus? is that baby going to end up retarded?
fucking retarded zoomer
Actually the early 10s in general was a strong period for all music genres other than perhaps metal which kind of faded out when Bush left office.
>Meanwhile hip hop was viewed as lame because most of the artists were "gangsta rap."
I agree the 2000s were a mostly dire, awful period of hip-hop when it devolved into inna club cheese.
they’ve been saying everything that’s possible to create has been created for centuries fag you saying it now and being unable to comprehend what’s to come won’t change the inevitable innovation
at least I’m white kek
I'm not even brown lmao. Good job at trying to knock me down at the level of a nigger, faggot.
>I-I’m not a nigger, fellow whites. What could possibly lead you to believe this?
why is it that only whites feel the need to be massive cuckold faggots? Die
>"at least im huwhite"
Says the pink skinnyfat beaknosed chinlet