Most of Mozart's music is far too cutesy-wutesy to be taken as seriously as it is, and the fact is that even when he occasionally tried to inject some darker colors into his music, it somehow usually still ends up sounding all light and fluffy (with a few rare exceptions). Without any real contrast between the light and the dark, the music ends up just staying in the same place all the time, and it never actually takes the listener anywhere. This is a HUGE flaw. Look at Beethoven or Schubert or Tchaikovsky, on the other hand, and these guys understood how to use that light/dark e*motion*al contrast to a masterful degree (indeed they were some of the very best at this in all of classical music, even if they did each have their minor flaws). Compared to them, composers like Mozart and Haydn and Bach – as technically proficient as they were – are downright monotone. Even if I forced myself to listen to piece after piece by one of these composers for hours on end, the light/dark movement within their music could quite literally remain at zero the entire time. The fact is that technical skill alone doesn't accomplish anything unless it helps the music to actually go somewhere. Otherwise, it's just wankery.
Ryder Hernandez
>Scandinavian composers Not even once.
Elijah Lee
Pleb
Bentley Ortiz
petzold
Nicholas White
>Pfitzner's music—including pieces in all the major genres except the symphonic poem—was respected by contemporaries such as Gustav Mahler and Richard Strauss, although neither man cared much for Pfitzner's innately acerbic manner (and Alma Mahler repaid his adoration with contempt, despite her agreement with his intuitive musical idealism, a fact evident in her letters to the wife of Alban Berg). Although Pfitzner's music betrays Wagnerian influences, the composer was not attracted to Bayreuth, and was personally despised by Cosima Wagner, in part because Pfitzner sought notice and recognition from such "anti-Wagnerian" composers as Max Bruch and Johannes Brahms. oof
Ryan Gonzalez
If you can't hear the emotional contrast in Mozart there is something wrong with you, not his music
Aiden Russell
youtu.be/wLAXfkK-DPg Does anyone know where I can find some decent Indian classical music?
Jayden Anderson
Motzart is for feminine men Bach is for autistic men Beethoven is for regular men
Jaxson Lewis
My preferred recordings of Scriabin's sonatas so far: >2nd This one is nicely recorded by a lot of people because it's popular. I think Pogorelich is fine, but I haven't paid that much attention to it yet. >3rd Sofronitsky gets the magic and fire of the last two movements respectively just right for me and he doesn't lose control. >4th Pletnev gets the most out of the ecstatic ending in my opinion; it's barely passionate enough, but at least he doesn't go into a complete trainwreck like so many here which is the thing that bothers me the most; too many just seem to lose grip on the ending and it ends up sounding like a stampede of noise. >6th Horowitz (1982). Ashkenazy and Ogdon ain't too bad either I think. A shame this one is the least popular. >7th Volodos (In Vienna) is pure electrifying magic and I think it's a perfect rendition. >9th Ashkenazy and Sokolov. Anyone agree/disagree? I'm slowly going through several recordings of all the sonatas.
5th : Richter obvs 9th : Horowitz for the storm march at the end. Any recs for 8th or Vers la flamme ?
Adrian Taylor
You seem like a devoted Wagnerian, respect. Kubelik's Parsifal 1980 is a gift and one of my favourite recordings ever.
I tend to go to Solti by default. I know I'm going to get an A-list cast of singers, a great orchestra, excellent sound quality, and loads of passion. Even if he can be a bit bombastic and lacking nuance at times.
Recordings from the 50s and earlier are a bit too rough on my ears.
Its nice especially towards the middle but the final melody refrain is less powerful than Horowitz's for example. Also the issue with Sofronitsky is obviously the recording quality
Xavier Peterson
checked
Luke Gutierrez
>Tristan - Kleiber 1982 I like it and have no problem with recordings that utilize the studio techniques to help singers who could not otherwise sing Wagner onstange (obviously, seeing as I recommended a recording with Domingo as Tristan), but I can't stand this recording for its Tristan who CAN sing it live, Rene Kollo. I never warmed up to his voice and can't listen to it for long periods of time.
Robert Long
Whatever the case he either thought too much or too little about it
Henry Cooper
Bach: Harpsichord Concerto No.1 in D Minor BWV 1052
redpilled not everybody knows his early organ works but when they do they become enlightened
Dylan Reed
Why were Baroque composers so high t? You had Bach and Handel alpha males with big swinging dicks and then you got romantic basedboys like Chopin and schubert
Noah Morales
you suck
Wyatt Kelly
I don't think you know what that word means user
Bentley Flores
Horowitz's recording of the 5th is so fucking weird.
Cameron Harris
The Keilberth '52 is really great, just a fantastic cast and Lorenz and Varnay are so wonderfully hammy with one another. I'm not really a fan of Aldenhoff, though, the '52 Siegfried has always been a pretty hard pass for me.
Pappano is actually a really good conductor for Tristan, but I just can't stand Domingo. He can't into German for shit.
For me, the Kleiber/Tristan to hear has always been the Wiener one that he conducted live. Singing isn't all that fantastic overall (Hopf as Tristan, no thanks) but his conducting is so on fire. I wish I still had the files for it, but I lost them years ago.
Brandon White
you guys swallowed the bait whole lmao
Jayden Allen
how the fuck did franz schubert make so music in such a short time. like this niggas repertoire is longer than his whole life
Levi Allen
im just pretending to be retarded LOL
Aaron Davis
cringe but based
John Watson
Why there isn't a youtube video of "best of schoenberg", why is that?
Josiah Evans
He doesn't appeal to the 'this is so relaxing' and 'I love to study to this' crowd
Alright Ghoul, I’m ready to move from ‘Le epic late-romantic music’ and take the Before-1750-pill. Where do I begin?
Caleb Wilson
Not Ghould but regardless Learn to listen to counterpoint by focusing on all the voices instead of a voice line accompanied by harmony. I recomment closing your eyes if needed. Then listen to Bach's organ preludes and fugues because they're still pretty "epic" sounding
Adam Morales
Start with the monks and minnesangers/troubadours/trouveres
Everyone knows the late-Baroque masters, Bach, Handel, Rameau etc. then you can go with The underrated ones, Zelenka and Biber
But I'm assuming you want the seconda practica pill (1600-1650) MONTEVERDI and Schütz MONTEVERDI Vespers (Giuseppe Maletto recording) MONTEVERDI Madrigals book 8 (La Venexiana Recording) Schütz Symphoniae Sacrae III (Cantus Colln Recording) All these recordings are on rutracker
If you want Renaissance polyphony(prima practica) Check MONTEVERDI Madrigals book 3 and 4
Jaxson Torres
What is the best part of Wagner’s Parsifal?
Oliver Martin
Anyone has any guitar youtube vids you'd like to share?
based. just stop posting every other era besides early music and youll be based glen
Justin Barnes
Damn he looks like Rilke
Juan Hall
thanks
Aaron Perry
was frederick the great a good composer?
Hudson Williams
>"Has Wagner ever written anything better?" - Nietzsche on Parsifal The same Nietzsche that took Parsifal as a sign that Wagner was becoming too Christian for his fedora's liking?
Thanks so much, this should be a great place to start
Ryan Johnson
Yes, he meant musically. He hated the meaning it carried, but loved the way it did so
Nolan James
the proms so far >female conductors meh >female composers meh >muh vlast, muh planets muh >youth orchestras meh >Messiaen FUCK YES, FINALLY SOMETHING GOOD bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00074y1
Bavarians coming next week for 2 concerts, thankfully Jansons is sick, so YNS is conducting, Rattle conducting some modern pieces, CBSO doing more Weinberg, Haitink's last concert with the VPO before he retires
Chase Lee
>You cannot find a single exception have to admit, it was hard, but no.
idk l like jansens for beethoven and id like to see him tackle shosty liking the look of prom 18 yes very nice and prom 21 theyve got a cracking willis over there
Asher Ross
>the best guitar composers weren't even guitar players
Why is is this?
Christian Gonzalez
youtu.be/Q5yr0mj6yaA Here's a better version of that Mangoré piece played by tiny gook hands
hot bait but this is a common criticism of all pre romantic music, and classical classical in general though id argue Mozart was the beethoven before beethoven and that beethoven was the first romantic compose thus Mozart is a romantic composer, albeit in an entirely classical style, anyways I digress
>don't blame the composer for the ignorance of the performer, the different character of our modern instruments, and our alternative tuning system I saw beethoven in sf recently God I almost left but I paid 60 for a ticket so I suffered if only to learn how not to play beethoven entire thing mf, only dissonance was accented, absolutely no rubato, overly dramatic slow tempo, and standing ovations given by beethoven pleb audiences
do I need to go to fucking Austria for good beethoven?
Angel Morris
DO NOT LISTEN TO MOZART
I made the same mistake and now I cant listen to anyone else they sound like uneducated pseudos next to him
Tyler White
Too late for that I'm already lost in the Mozart-Mozart-Mozart trinity (Haydn in the center)
>The Festpielhaus was originally planned to open in 1873, but by that time Wagner had barely raised enough money to put up the walls of his theatre. He began to raise money by traveling and putting on concerts in various cities and countries throughout Europe. There are, however, some documents concerning the donation and aid (900 thaler) to Wagner for that matter by the Sultan Abdülaziz of the Ottoman Empire.[4] Shame, he could have been a regular sandnigger and we wouldn't have to endure the abomination that is Bayreuth today.
Dominic Cook
not on the same level of shit as the guitar
Anthony Diaz
Comment on a YT vid I just watched: >Erkki Mela 4 months ago Unbelievable. Usually piano pieces on classical guitar sound pretty cringeworthy, but this is on a completely different level.
800 likes. Was he right? I'm honestly kind of triggered
Lied von der Erde makes me depressed, Mahler was the ultimate emo kid
Sebastian Johnson
No that was Zimmermann
Ayden Gomez
what is Musicology?
Adam Flores
Zimmermann's works don't really reflect his depression or I don't interpret Die Soldaten as depressing, but as mean and direct form of criticism against war. He had his funny side that you can hear in some of his works.
The Well Tempered Clavier is so fucking bad. Holy shit. It legitimately sounds like the same terrible song on loop for four hours. I'm going to try out Bach's Orchestral Suites next because if I listen to the Mass I'm pretty sure I'll go insane.
Elijah Nguyen
Wim is absolutely BASED
Jacob Parker
Jesus
Xavier Foster
Maybe Metallica is more you style.
Jordan Ross
I actually used to think the exactly the same thing, but then I forced myself to relisted to it hundreds of times and now I have the whole thing memorized.
I'll say the same thing I said to my Wigger 1/2 brother when he showed me an Orchestral treatment of Aesop Rock as if this were some sort of concession and a causeway between our music sensibilities.
Why should "polyphony" be the only metric of worth?
Colton Collins
It shouldn't, but motivic development should be the only other one and only European Classical has it.
Daniel Cruz
>the only other one Along with functional harmony, you mean.
Aiden Kelly
based
Jackson Cooper
>Well Tempered Clavier >Orchestral Suites
Bach is not a good composer. He doesn't know how to switch cadence and there's no emotional texture to any of his music. Every piece from the WTC and all his Orchestral Suites sounds the same with one exception. Listening to Air is so jarring after suffering through hours of Bach's music. All of a sudden there's beauty, grace, drama and interest! It doesn't sound like Bach wrote it. And once it ends, it's back to the same boring, happy-sounding monotonous droning. Next up, the Brandenburg Concertos.
If you enjoy what you posted you're more looking for indian classical fusion, people like Zakir Hussain or Rajesh Vaidhya could be an entry point for that. For classical indian in general just youtube Darbar festival. Lots of dope high quality recordings. Also lots of interviews to help you identify your favourite style / artists learn more about the research behind the music and instruments etc... If you like sitar i find this dude quite interesting youtube.com/watch?v=72MCEY57_Q4 also disregard plebs who are only interested in western classical
Parker Peterson
Gesang der Jünglinge
John Sullivan
you're probably the most annoying poster on /classical/ right now.
More than half of his entire output are Cantatas You're approaching Bach from the Romantic/instrumental/non-religious side You're never going to get it man
if zyzz made it out of that sauna he would have eventually taken the wagner pill
Tyler Kelly
I love bach and wan to know more about handel. Send me his best ma bois
Ryan Garcia
...
Carson Nguyen
His keyboard suites, Richter/Gavrilov recording, are terrific. And there are standards, Music for the Royal Fireworks, Messiah, Water Music. For the latter, I especially enjoy Harnoncourt's version.
Parker Stewart
>nothing from Pachelbel in the mega links why do you guys hate him
Mason Jones
>le canon boy
Carter Ross
it's actually a good piece though, it's a shame it's such a meme though
Mason James
But it's like his only thing What else did he even do
Evan Hughes
Hey guys lets do a complete a cappela cover of the Well Tempered Clavier book I what do you think?
No, but I'm not opposed to the idea of /classical/ collaborating on something
Evan Flores
Let's sing the entire Ring with kazoos
Josiah Taylor
Why don't we do something that will attract posters who aren't retarded?
Nicholas Jackson
Uh, the movement right before it?
Adrian Robinson
Oh I wouldn't know about that
James Reyes
Dont mind me bros i'm just gonna pray in latin before going to sleep
Credo in unum Deum, Patrem omnipoténtem, factórem caeli et terrae, visibílium óminum et invisíbilium. Et in unum Dóminum Iesum Chrustum Filium Dei unigénitum. Et ex Patre natum ante ómnia saécula. Deum de Deo, lumen de lúmine, Deum verum de Deo vero. Géntium, non factum, consubtantialem Patri: per quem ómnia facta sunt. Qui propter nos hómines et propter nostram salútem descéndit de caelis Et incarnatus est de Spíritu Sancto ex María Vírgine et homo factus est. Crucifixus étiam pro nobis: sub Póntio Piláto passus et sepúltus est. Et resurréxit tértia die, secúndum scripturas. Et ascédit in caelum: sedet ad déxtram Patris. Et íterum ventúrus est cum glória inducáre vivos et mortuos: cuius regni non erit finis. Et in Spíritum Sanctum, Dóminum et vivificántem: qui ex Patre et Filióque prócedit. Qui cum Patre et Filio simul adorátur et conglorificátur; qui locútus est per Prophétas. Et unam sanctam catholicam et apostólicam Ecclésiam. Confíteor unum baptisma in remissiónem peccatórum. Et exspécto resurrectiónem mortuórum. Et venturi saéculi. Amén
Guys, I'm thinking about deleting my 1.5TB of music and start downloading only classical music so I can finally explore it, should I do it chronologically? Starting with medieval music?
Jason Thompson
chronologically is fine, though it can feel a bit tedious if certain eras and genres don't click with you right away
I'm assuming you're suggesting to start with romantic music because it's most accessible? I agree it is, but that's because it doesn't require much concentrated listening to be appreciated. A lot of romantic pieces can be enjoyed by what it presents at the surface level. The problem with this is that when the time comes to listen to other eras you can't appreciate what's going on besides its mood or emotion. It's basically like that dumbass in /classical/ who doesn't like Bach because of >muh emotions. Starting chronologically forces you to start appreciating music beyond what its surface level.
