I just listened to this album (I've only heard 21st Century Schizoid Man before) and it's definitely overrated. Sure, it has pretty good melodies and the melodies are more focused than most other Progressive Rock bands from that time period (AKA not as much atonality crap), but the album as whole is softer than a Steely Dan record. I guess I understand why normies who usually don't listen to rock like it, I suppose.
The best songs are definitely ''The Court of the Crimson King'' and ''21st Century Schizoid Man'', even though TCotCK overstay its welcome and should've ended by the 7 minute mark. Moonchild is also too long by at least 9 minutes. I don't know who gave them the idea that it would be great to record some stupid free jazz jam. Those last 8 minutes of Moonchild is the worst on the album.
ITCOTCK is a classic tho. It will eventually click for you OP
Tyler Miller
Agree with everything. Why choose these wankers when you can listen to some real prog like mars volta
Mason Jones
Fuck off. I Talk To The Wind, Epitaph, and In The Court Of The Crimson King are all 10/10. 21st Century Schizoid Man is a 9/10.
Listen to Larks Tongues in Anus, SABB, and Red immediately. Not as good, but still all amazing.
Jace Smith
yeah they could have cut a few minutes of the same tapping and sporadic notes of "the illusion " but it wouldn't really improve anything. you're already there for a full album, what difference does a couple minutes of experimentation on an early prog album make?
Elijah Watson
>Now listen to Larks' Tongues and Discipline >Not as good, but still all amazing. >Their best album is Discipline by a mile. Are those ''rockier''? I'm an 80s hard rock and metal guy at my core. >but it wouldn't really improve anything I beg to differ. It would make the album more focused. >what difference does a couple minutes of experimentation on an early prog album make? Well, personally I have around 5 hours of work six nights a week which I listen to albums on. So for me it's time taken from another album I could listen to.
Angel Martin
>I'm an 80s hard rock and metal guy at my core. Just fucking listen to the Larks-Red period. Especially Red.
Thomas Lee
shit taste, listen to red
Christian Green
>the melodies are more focused than most other Progressive Rock bands from that time period (AKA not as much atonality crap) This is bait.
Benjamin Bennett
>I'm an 80s hard rock and metal guy at my core. Nigga, then King Crimson (at least their ood albums) should be easy to get into. My favorite album is Manilla Road - Crystal Logic and I think KC are great. Listen to Red, and then listen to ITT:COCK again
David Mitchell
i dont think you can go wrong with a king crimson album, unless its an album from the 90's or lizard
Jonathan Cooper
Epitaph is the greatest song of all time
Charles Wright
Thrak is a great album though
For real though OP, you should like Red at least. It's the most traditional 'rock' KC record.
Connor Diaz
You should play bass
Oliver Moore
>Especially Red I'm going through rock albums from 1968 and forward year by year and I'm at 1974 now so I better download Red and give it a listen then. I don't know how you think that is bait. Van Der Graaf Generator, Yes, Genesis and ELP has much of atonality shit and extremely unfocused songs where often it seems like they just put together a bunch of songs into one without any afterthought.
If I would do a comparison it would be Dream Theater anno 1989-1995 is like ''21st century...'' and ''in the court...'', where the song comes first and you can instantly sing the parts after hearing it them first time.
The other bands I mentioned above is more like Dream Theater from 1998-2019. The most important thing is the wanking and the song is second, with some exceptions here and there.
Liam Wood
>Yes and Genesis, two of the three Prog bands that broke through and had big hits on the radio, are more atonal than the band who's entire gimmick was atonal, free-jazz noodling Okay, I think you might actually be mentally retarded.
Dylan Long
Which radio hits did Yes and Genesis have during the early 70s?
Adam Howard
>Van Der Graaf Generator, Yes, Genesis and ELP has much of atonality shit Either this is bait or you have no idea what atonality is friend. Yes, Genesis and ELP are among the most classical-influenced prog bands and are extremely melodic in nature. Find me one piece of atonal music released in the prognaissance from any of those. Pro tip: you can't.
Matthew Johnson
I'm pretty sure Roundabout was a hit, but it doesn't matter. Yes and Genesis were much more accessible than King Crimson.
Angel Jones
>Yes and Genesis were much more accessible than King Crimson. King Crimson's debut is more accesible than anything either put out before the 80s.
Aiden Thomas
Discipline is way more accessible, and it's better.
If your album is less accessible than other doesn't make your album good, btw.
Grayson Clark
They all have long instrumental passages with atonality in them and strange chord progressions that aren't exactly easy on the ear. A better term is maybe altered chords, but they pretty much sound atonal to me.
I've just listened to H To He Who Am The Only One, Close to the Edge, Fragile and Trespass and many times the feeling I get is that they wrote the instrumentals first then added vocal melodies to that.
To my ears ''Siberian Khatru''sounds like a well written song. And then we have ''And You And I'' on the same album where it sounds like they put together a bunch of musical pieces, put some melodies over it and pressed record.
Jeremiah Baker
I said before the 80s you dumb nigger. I'd argue ITCOTCK and maybe Islands are more accessible, nonethelesss.
Michael Murphy
I've yet to hear a single song from early Yes (besides Siberian Khatru) or Genesis that you instantly can hum after hearing the first minute like you can when hearing 21st Century Schizoid Man and The Court Of The Crimson King.
If you can find some I'm more than willing to give it a listen, because at the moment I would much more rather listen to Turn It On Again or even Sledgehammer than anything in the Peter Gabriel-era Genesis.
Carter Sullivan
>He got filtered by Moonchild Please never stain this board again
Moonchild is good until the last 2 or 3 minutes where it becomes pretentious wank
Thomas Reyes
>We’d run out of material. And we didn’t want to put a cover tune on our first album. So we were left with gap; we needed another seven to nine minutes. So once we’d recorded the basic track [the front section, with the vocals], Mike, Robert and I went back into the studio, set the tape rolling and just improvised for about 10 minutes. >Ian McDonald
I'm sure it's fine if you're insane and tone deaf enough to enjoy free jazz. Improv is fine on the stage but if you want to put it on a album...Don't.
Colton Thomas
But Red is their best album
Brody Reyes
>1969 T.plebs
Sebastian Davis
>atonality crap >Steely Dan >stupid free jazz jam Solid bait, not even gonna lie
Aaron Myers
>I'm sure it's fine if you're insane and tone deaf enough to enjoy free jazz. holy based
Cooper Diaz
Lizard is good, Islands is the one you can go wrong with.
Hunter Wood
I know what I like in your wardrobe
The 80s was when Yes and Genesis got big in the mainstream. Look at their most played songs on Spotify, it's the 80s.
Oliver White
Oops I'm illiterate sorry.
Carson Ramirez
There's only one 90's KC album and it's great. They don't have a single bad album, though some are more extraordinary than others. I love all the 80's albums but Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair are clearly weaker than Discipline. Absent Lovers is the best live album of all time btw
Anthony Harris
>but the album as whole is softer than a Steely Dan record Is this supposed to be a criticism? Not every subgenre is trying to be hard rock. If you want hard rock inspired prog, listen to early and late Rush
