It is strange to think that Korn were the last new genre defining band

Do they define themselves in some way musically anyway?

check em out asap

Are you the same person? Are you having a stroke? Anyway,the genre of "nu-metal" can be directly attributed to Korn and anyone who was paying attention and listening to every release can easily see how they started a whole new style, even if subsequent bands doing their style put a little "twist" on it, as is usually the case for any genre, but Korn made a formula and it became a style, thus a genre.

This generation doesn't create new genres or subcultures, just more and more specific niches of existing genres.

(If Vaporwave is a "subculture" then so is my screensaver).

>garage rock revival
The Strokes, The White Stripes

>emo-pop
Jimmy Eat World

>emo rap
Lil Peep

>easycore
New Found Glory

>blackgaze
Alcest

>post-punk revival
Interpol

>trap rap
T.I.

>neocrust
His Hero is Gone

>djent
Meshuggah

>post-metal
Neurosis

>lo-fi goth
Blessure Grave

>deathcore
>dubstep
idk who, but it's somebody

Alternative Metal and millions of people ripping them off, Korn included.

I sorta think Pantera invented it since Korn ripped them off so hard. I don't know if it's really true but it makes some people REALLY mad so I keep saying it.

His Hero is Gone are older than you think, and those guys were all in other bands before that too, before Korn. Neurosis isn't post-metal, they were a punk band from the east bay, and if you mean the beginning of their experimental stuff, that predates Korn by about four years. Meshuggah go back quite a bit further than Korn as well, and so does trap rap except it wasn't popular until later on. "Revival" anything is disqualified.

You are wrong a lot.

Korn ripped off
>Faith No More
>Mr.Bungle
>Godflesh
Seriously, the low vocals are obviously attempting to sound like Mike Patton.

>Korn made a formula and it became a style, thus a genre.
Faith No More released Angel Dust two years before Korn's debut.

I'm a much bigger fan of Mike Patton and Godflesh than I am of Korn, but I don't think it's fair to accuse Korn of ripping those people off. Those bands obviously influenced Korn (except maybe for Godflesh, I never noticed that influence tbqh), but I don't think that takes anything away from Korn. They were a very unique-sounding band. And while I don't like nu metal, their impact hasn't been wholly negative - their style had a big impact on Max Cavalera, Serj Tankian, and Danny Brown.

FNM, I can see. They don't have any of the wild compositional style of Bungle though. Never thought of them in relation to Godflesh either but that would make sense.

>their impact hasn't been wholly negative
>their style had a big impact on Max Cavalera

This could be THE most negative thing that ever happened to heavy music.

was meant for; oops

>All just rehashing older genres with slight spins

Korn themselves admitted they listened to Mr.Bungle non-stop. Godflesh's frontman Justin Broadrick said they rippped him off. If you don't hear the influnece, I really wonder how not, Godflesh were one of the first band to meld Metal and Hip-Hop beats together

They would obviously inspired by them but would you really consider FNM to be nu-metal?

>If you don't hear the influnece
...might be because I haven't heard them since I was exactly half the age I am now, rather on purpose. I'm not really arguing with you.

A lot of FNM songs aren't metal of any kind, nu or otherwise. I'm not the user you're addressing though.

His Hero is Gone formed in 1995. Korn were older. The bands I'm aware of those guys being in were from later, AFAIK. Neurosis defined post-metal, the term was literally invented for them and they influenced literally every single band in the genre. They started out a crossover thrash band, but their post-metal sound started a little later, though it might've been around the same time as Korn, so Idk who was first. You're right about Meshuggah. But with both Meshuggah and Neurosis, I was justifying it since those genres didn't really get going until after '94.

If you want to prove me wrong about the other stuff, you're going to need to be more specific.

You could literally say that about any genre of music ever.

>implying this isn't nu metal
youtube.com/watch?v=th_KKvb9yO8

>would you really consider FNM to be nu-metal?
No, but they are an incredibly strong influence. They are Alternative Metal througn and through.

I predicted you might say that, but I disagree. I think Roots was a really good album, though I do strongly prefer Beneath the Remains. Soulfly actually did some good stuff, though.

It's not, it's Avant-Garde Metal.

Faith No More and Mr. Bungle influenced nu-metal, neither were nu-metal

Just like Zeppelin and Deep Purple weren't metal while Sabbath was, and Stooges and MC5 were not punk while Ramones were. What Korn did was melt all kinds of influences in a single pot, and make a style of songwriting that would be copied....you can point out the bands they took from all day, but no, RATM, Faith No More, Bungle, etc etc, are NOT "nu metal"

>What Korn did was melt all kinds of influences in a single pot
Exactly, well said.

>The bands I'm aware of those guys being in were from later
....and I stated previously, HHiG was not the first band for any of them.

> Neurosis ... started out a crossover thrash band
Absolutely wrong. The first album was fast hardcore punk, the next one a sort of slower form of hardcore. "Post-metal" was a term invented by historical revisionists on shitty web 2.0 platforms like last.fm. A lot of nonsense about music from the 90s is canonized on wikipedia and parroted by people who aren't old enough to remember.

I wasn't talking about the other stuff because I don't know about the other stuff. When I don't know, I keep my mouth shut.

Why do people get so obsessed with what they see as a lack of new genres? What are you trying to prove?

Based

Well, OK then. Roots is the first of their albums I can't really listen to (I absolutely love Chaos AD and the Nailbomb album though).

>Stooges were not punk
They were
Proto-Punk is a retarded term, Stooges were far more Punk than Ramones.
I agree with the rest though.

Well it's clear you zoomers haven't GOT anything to prove.

The term simply wasn't in use until the Ramones.

I don't think they were "punk" at all, they were just down and dirty Detroit garage rock, they got appropriated as "punk" by people outside of the demographic of Detroit which was a real rock city who took a liking to them and wanted to change them into something else.

Oh my god holy shit its almost music isn't science and genre terms aren't 100% precise you fucking nerds

I don't think you read a single reply to this thread.

>HHiG was not the first band for any of them.
I wasn't talking about those other bands. I was talking about HHiG, which formed in '95, a year after the first Korn album.

>"Post-metal" was a term invented by historical revisionists on shitty web 2.0 platforms like last.fm
You're not even saying anything here. Lots of terms were created retrospectively. Black Sabbath didn't consider themselves metal when they started, and while Geezer Butler and Bill Ward have embraced the term, Iommi still doesn't. The Ramones were bothered by being labeled punk because they felt it limited them commercially. Rites of Spring and Embrace hated the term emo. It's irrelevant.

>When I don't know, I keep my mouth shut.
How virtuous of you.

This is the first Neurosis album:
youtube.com/watch?v=92BiJHcBGA8

Crossover thrash is a hardcore genre. It sounds very crossover to me, with crust influences. But compare it to the other crossover albums of the era
youtube.com/watch?v=-3Jhof6EI8g
youtube.com/watch?v=G8FlzGXEIVI
youtube.com/watch?v=vkITlCa-r6k

Very comparable IMO.

You're wrong about everything.

While Korn introduced nu-metal to the masses, Limp Bizkit made it for what it is known today far more, Korn didn't even rap at all, this is what most people imagine when they say nu-metal.

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I never made the seemingly obvious connection between mr. bungle and korn, makes sense they were listening to them a lot though. love both those bands

>This is the first Neurosis album:
OMG I might even have heard that! That's a punk album, stop trying so hard. Seriously, I've never heard anyone call it "crossover" in my life.

>You're wrong about everything.
You conveniently ignored most of my points anyway, I wonder why that is. It's been swell talking to you but the swelling's gone down.

I literally addressed every single point you made, you fucking retard. I'm sorry you've never heard that album called crossover, but it's a very common term. Also, I looked it up, and the only band the Burdette brothers were in before HHiG was a band called Face Down, which was around in '93, the same year Korn formed. You are incredibly full of shit.

One thing I should've mentioned is

>gothic country
16 Horsepower

You are incredibly angry :)

It bothers me when people are rude to me. You are wrong about everything, and I don't like how rude you are. I think you got rude because you're defensive about being wrong about everything. Don't be condescending when you're wrong about everything.

>It bothers me when people are rude to me. You are wrong about everything, and I don't like how rude you are
Kek, why is this so funny

These are not the two people who were arguing above but some trolly trolls trolling away.

Because you have the mind of a 13 year old, you probably dropped out of a shitty school, and you hate yourself, so you enjoy dragging people down to your level.

Assuming you really are the same kid as before, that's not me you're talking to now.

jimmy eat world and to a lesser extent sdre really are responsible for bringing the word "emo" into the mainstream huh

It's funny because this is fucking Yea Forums, where people call each other retards and faggots on a daily basis, to be offended because someone treats you "rudely" on here is asinine.

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> taking the time to paint out (You) on a screeny

I don't really know when it happened, but I was still young back then, and I don't think I actually heard the term emo until bands like Fall Out Boy and MCR were getting big in the mid 00s. But yeah, I think you're right, Jimmy Eat World seems to be the band that ended its time as an indie genre and took it to MTV. SDRE also seems like the band that took it out from the underground, though I think part of that might be SDRE's connection to the whole Seattle grunge thing. Now nobody thinks of SDRE as grunge, but apparently for a while there, when everybody was still trying to find the next big thing in Seattle, SDRE got a bunch of attention.

death grips-nu nu metal (jenny death)

That was Industrial Rock

more like shit lmao

yer mum was industrially rocked lol

lel that dude got pwnd

>it's also a combination of all our different influences--there's no big heads in our band. everybody's got their little bits that they put in. like fieldy with his hip-hop influences. me with my melodies and all my `80's drama that i love. i love that era. munky is always into john zorn and the (mr.) bungle stuff and so is head.

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I first heard it in Punk Rock 101 by Bowling For Soup

The term emo that is