Left wing

>left wing
>punk
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>OP
>Being hetero sexual

Pick one and only one

>you
>being mentally stable

Pick one and only one

cringe, everybody knows punk music was promoted by the Jews to create hate against the right wing governments

Punk is whatever pisses off the majority or what's considered normal

You never were punk and don't know punk if you think otherwise, punk is a counterculture based on being counter cultural and nothing more.

but right wing "punk" doesn't call itself punk

Haha gay OP.

Punk is trash, so I pick left wing

based and Skrewdriver confirmed for being the most punk band

I'm gonna pick Punk

i bet you think sex pistols were the pinnacle of punk

Punk was actually the beginning of the end for left wing radicalism in Europe. It dragged an alliance of political movements down into subcultural nonsense and hedonism.

Those two things should always be separated

Skrewdriver I don't think of as being very punk because they were politically motivated...you can't be punk and like politics or want to be in control of anything, that's what you're supposed to hate, if you're punk you hate totalitarian and authoritarian attitudes. Nazis use punk for their advantage but are not punk ultimately, unless being ironic about it.

Nah if we go down that old school path I'm much more of a Ramones guy.

>Nah if we go down that old school path I'm much more of a Ramones guy.
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>being punk
means fucking nothing. maybe it meant something in 1982, it means fuck all now. you should stop using terms like this. there's a lot of subgenres I love, especially Oi- and HC punk, but that's it.

>youtube.com/watch?v=Aev7m0rRRAY

What does it call itself

I've only learned about Punk being left leaning from reading stuff on this board recently. I never liked Punk but I think that's very interesting. I always just thought the genre was all about rebellion and not much else.

>counterculture
>still existing

Its all been subsumed

rock against communism or RAC for short

>right wing
>rock against communism
Pick one

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Sorry, Nazis aren't punk. They're the opposite of punk. Nazis are anal retentive school teachers with inferiority complexes. Nazis want you to make your bed.

I'm not the guy you originally responded to, I'm just some random dude saying that "being punk" means nothing. Nazis are nazis and nothing else, but that doesn't mean "being punk" is a thing now

arguing about what is and isn't punk is absolutely cringe. shit was so long ago, the punk scene was petering out by 1980. unless you're like 50 years old you probably weren't there to know.

This. Just enjoy the music. Or don't.

Also fuck nazis

But I don't want to

RAC is literal nazi music, idiot. It's just a name. The vast majority of lyrics is antisemitic or racist, anyways.

Punk was very much a thing when I was growing up, that was the 90s/00s though when there was a retro revival...but regardless, I agree it doesn't "mean" anything, but that doesn't change shit....punk is still an attitude above all else, even if the music is something that doesn't exist on any large scale anymore. And the definitive punk attitude is a very obvious one to me.

Ok, can someone explain to me why Punk is so beloved? I always disliked the genre. Do people love it simply for the style and political elements? Because I never understood the musical appeal.

>Do people love it simply for the style and political elements?
yes
>Because I never understood the musical appeal.
it's not supposed to be musically appealing. it's supposed to be simple, but energetic and angry.

Some people like it, that's pretty much it. I am a heavy metal person but like some select punk, my sister is the opposite....from what I can gather she thinks metal is cheesey and "heady" in lack of a better term, which is to say she finds it too intellectual or pretentious...which I think is how the original punk movement began in the first place, smaller minded folk didn't like things like guitar solos and epics and story telling, they just wanted basic as possible rock music with simple retarded lyrics that made them feel good or empowered or rebellious or whatever without having to think about anything or feeling stupid because the songwriters knew more than they did.

This post perfectly summarizes it. Punk in many forms was always my favorite genre, no contest.

Even though I developed a love for black metal in recent years, it's just as raw and energetic, but also more atmospheric, emotional and even more brutal.

it was the other way around for me. i grew up with BM but eventually i've gotten tired of the edginess and lack of connection to the actual world. after that i got into punk.

I could understand how the political side could appeal to some people, but doesn't anger and energy get boring when delivered through the genre's typical music? I find Punk to be pretty basic in terms of composition and overall tone. The genre failed to advance in any sort of way, and that contributed to why it died off (in my opinion).

I get what you mean with edginess, but isn't that more a scene thing? I despise that shit anyways, most people that make some of the bm i love the most I wouldn't want to talk to in real life. The music itself is just that, great music.
Lack of connection to the actual world in the music is something I very much like about it

I mean not everyone continually goes through phases their whole life, plenty of people found punk rock, were happy with it, and stuck with it.

Why do /pol/acks make themselves so obvious? Do they think frog + something political doesn't stick out like a sore thumb on other boards?

I pick neither, they're both shit.

Yeah, I mean, say what you will about black metal, at least it managed to have variety. Punk just always felt kinda same old same old to me.

Punk arguably has as much if not more variety than black metal, depending on how far your definition of punk stretches. And honestly, more believable...the genre bending stuff in black metal is less "black metal" than the weirder punk stuff is "punk" in my opinion

This. Adicts, Ramones and Casualties are very, very different, but still all Punk.
To name very well known bands, I'm not saying I actually like them so hold the spaghetti

man you make a lot of rules about being punk

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>Hold the spaghetti

I've never heard that one before, but I like it an will be stealing it.

>but doesn't anger and energy get boring when delivered through the genre's typical music?
in large doses, sure. but i don't think anyone's listening to punk 24/7
>The genre failed to advance in any sort of way, and that contributed to why it died off
i mean, punk spawned some interesting subgenres and the whole scene is somewhat varied (for example, cali punk is nothing like NYHC) but generally speaking i'd say it's a good thing the genre died off instead of becoming a commercial shitshow aimed at the hipster crowd

>I get what you mean with edginess, but isn't that more a scene thing?
scene, lyrics, general image of the bands
>Lack of connection to the actual world in the music is something I very much like about it
i think i stopped listening to BM around the time i became less of a shut in, basement dwelling autist and more of an angry outcast of society, so naturally i started relating to lyrics about actual societal problems rather than lyrics about loneliness, desolation, sorrow, northern winds and whatnot.

>I've never heard that one before, but I like it an will be stealing it.
Newfag spotted.

I've been exposed. Time to go into hiding once again. Dammit.

please Yea Forums stop making me defend fascism

>in large doses, sure. but i don't think anyone's listening to punk 24/7
Trust me, people exist who do. Or at least like 90 percent of the time. I know these folks, punk rock is mostly their life even still in 2019, granted these people are what you'd all call "boomers" for being over 25, but regardless.
>i think i stopped listening to BM around the time i became less of a shut in, basement dwelling autist and more of an angry outcast of society, so naturally i started relating to lyrics about actual societal problems rather than lyrics about loneliness, desolation, sorrow, northern winds and whatnot.
^ and this is why pure heavy metal is superior to both punk rock and black metal.

>i think i stopped listening to BM around the time i became less of a shut in, basement dwelling autist and more of an angry outcast of society
Man this shit is ironic. I was an angry outcast of society who listened to Punk and Rap for most of my life, but a few years ago some shit went down that ended with me losing friends and father and becoming a "basement" dwelling semi-autist who rarely leaves his apartment. At the same time I started developing an interest for black metal.

I never listen to any lyrics though, and if I do I only do it to check if I'm listening to nazi stuff. I'm happy with the screaming.

Skrewdriver isnt really punk because there songs stop being punk and start being some kind of shitty british country

Op btfo

>big private corporations
>left wing
pick one

When the guys who made Romper Stomper tried to recreate the sound of Skrewdriver for the movie in 1992 it produced some damn fine oi punk though, so there must have been some artistic quality to the treehugger's band.. right?

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Check out MDC, Dead Kennedys, Dicks, Dils, Flux of Pink Indians, Crass, Zounds, Ruts, Fugazi, Bikini Kill, Redskins, Angelic Upstarts, The Ex, Refused, His Hero is Gone, Martyrdöd, Propagandhi, Anti-Flag, Gang of Four, The Pop Group, Manic Street Preachers, The Clash, Bad Religion, Earth Crisis, Manliftingbanner, Napalm Death...

>and this is why pure heavy metal is superior to both punk rock and black metal
heavy metal simply gives you different feels than punk and BM, i don't think it's better or worse than either of those genres

Vast majority of punk bands are left wing, yes. What's your point?

>heavy metal simply gives you different feels than punk and BM, i don't think it's better or worse than either of those genres
Sure but it is rebellious to society and indulges in things typical of adolescent male fantasy and angst like darkness and the occult whenever it feels, while not being autistic about either....while lots of punk tends to be over political and lots of black metal tends to be overly autistic, regular old traditional heavy metal fits the perfect balance.

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>punk rock
>left wing
pick two

>Sure but it is rebellious to society
Maybe the society of the 1950s. Heavy Metal is 110% mainstream today, unlike Punk and especially Black Metal, whcih are (still) a loooot less compatible with mainstream today. Take a look at spotify statistics, Heavy Metal is one of the most popular genres

>Maybe the society of the 1950s. Heavy Metal is 110% mainstream today, unlike Punk and especially Black Metal, whcih are (still) a loooot less compatible with mainstream today. Take a look at spotify statistics, Heavy Metal is one of the most popular genres
Hmmm....
Not really, but clearly you haven't listened to much of it? I mean what is "heavy metal" to you, Five Finger Death Punch? I'm talking about "trad metal" if I have to resort to fucking cringe zoomer terms.

>while lots of punk tends to be over political and lots of black metal tends to be overly autistic
but that's just the convention of those genres. punk is supposed to be political and BM is supposed to be "autistic". they're not supposed to be balanced. also traditional heavy metal is rebellious in leather clad biker bad boy kinda way which has nothing to do with actual political issues.

Yes, me too. I bet you there's a lot of investment bankers and lawyers at concerts of traditional metal bands. Bands like Five Finger Death Punch are probably, or likely, less compatible with mainstream than Iron Maiden or Metallica

Dilate

>but that's just the convention of those genres. punk is supposed to be political
I'll direct you to an earlier post of mine, because I feel it's correct Politics being the basis of punk is the lamest most unpunk thing, because involving yourself in poltics means you surrender to the system presented to you, what's punk is calling the entire system bullshit
> also traditional heavy metal is rebellious in leather clad biker bad boy kinda way which has nothing to do with actual political issues.
I mean it touched on it enough, obviously it's not a genre you're familiar with so I'll point you to one of the most famous songs, it's called "War Pigs" but Black Sabbath.

>Yes, me too. I bet you there's a lot of investment bankers and lawyers at concerts of traditional metal bands. Bands like Five Finger Death Punch are probably, or likely, less compatible with mainstream than Iron Maiden or Metallica
Because people get old? That doesn't change anything about the music...I've never been the kind of pleb to only listen to new music to rebel against older people who might like the same music, because that's just really cringey and disingenuous to do, but especially when we're talking about punk and black metal, genres that peaked and died in terms of groundbreaking in the 80's and 90's.....yet people pretend it's not "old man music", funny....not.

>Politics being the basis of punk is the lamest most unpunk thing, because involving yourself in poltics means you surrender to the system presented to you
the fight against system is political, being apolitical would mean accepting the status quo. being an anarchist, socialist, environmentalist, vegan etc. is a political position and most of the punk scene adopts one or more of these positions. if you think having a stance on politics is "the lamest most unpunk thing" then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. this is also apparent from the fact that you mention ramones as a punk band.

> I'll point you to one of the most famous songs, it's called "War Pigs" but Black Sabbath.
war pigs is a generic anti war song, it hardly says anything but WAR BAD. fuckin lennon's imagine is more political than that lmao.

also you sound like a boomer, in a proper sense of the word.

>the fight against system is political, being apolitical would mean accepting the status quo. being an anarchist, socialist, environmentalist, vegan etc. is a political position and most of the punk scene adopts one or more of these positions. if you think having a stance on politics is "the lamest most unpunk thing" then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Pic related, your rebellion is false and you're a puppet, fuck that you're a fuppet, a fuck puppet.
>this is also apparent from the fact that you mention ramones as a punk band.
>doesn't respect Ramones
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Faggot.

>war pigs is a generic anti war song, it hardly says anything but WAR BAD. fuckin lennon's imagine is more political than that lmao.
War Pigs says all that needs to be said about war, fuck the politicians, fuck the rich, fuck everybody who benefits from the suffering of others....that is all that needs to be said, and it's never been said better.
>also you sound like a boomer, in a proper sense of the word.
I'm 29, and I've listened to more music than you and know more about music than you. I've also been on this board far longer, little newfag.

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imagine thinking that the only way to engage in the political process is to vote democrat or republican

>Pic related, your rebellion is false
>posts a picture criticising the illusion of choice in modern democracy, a major talking point of anarchism, reiterated in countless punk songs

you're either baiting or the dumbest motherfucker on the planet, either way i'm done talking to you

>punk
>not cringe
Pick one

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Nice bait. They're pretty much the same fucking thing tho lol. Or do you really think Anarchy In The UK, Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue, and I Fought The Law are indicative of conservative values somehow? LOL