I want to listen to something sweet and beautiful right now. I'm having some trouble, most of my favorite composers are relatively abrasive, loud. I want something beautiful and common practice. Think Lohengrin Act I Overture. Any suggestions
Mathematically, Bach's music is perfectly sound. The problem is that he seemed to have little to no understanding whatsoever of the OTHER half of the musical equation: the emotional half.
Bach's music is perhaps the most monotonous and soulless music I have ever heard. He repeats the same patterns again and again, while the music itself rarely if ever actually goes anywhere. Honestly, a computer could have written that music. It's almost inhuman in its cold, rational sterility. Five minutes of it would put me to sleep, and any more than that and I would feel the need to jump out of a window to escape the hopeless monotony.
Even Mozart admitted that it was in fact Handel who was the only one of the great composers up to that point who truly understood affect. Bach seems to have understood this the least of them.
James Thomas
Go back to listening Tchaikovsky you dumb Hans
Brayden Parker
Based fake glen
Justin Morris
it's an abstract kind of feel
Tyler Rivera
That was some terrible music. Bach really is overrated.
Ryder Reed
Worst meme. The passions are more dramatically powerful than any of Handel's operas (as much as it pains me to say that), and that's saying nothing of the cantatas.
I hope you don't actually believe anything you just wrote.
Juan Evans
>Webern's death nearly a half year after the end of the war in Europe occurred in a freak incident in Mittersill (near Salzburg) when an American soldier mistakenly shot him while he was on an extended excursion to visit his daughter. ok, now THIS is epic
Bach's music is simply robotic in its bland emotional sterility – more like a series of purely academic exercises than actual emotionally-fluid music. I'll give Bach the credit he deserves for his intellectual contributions to the musical world, but there is a hell of a lot more to the art of music than just that. Bach’s musical works… I'm sorry, his exercises are so soulless and monotonous that if I were forced to listen to them indefinitely I'd probably jump out of a window just to escape the torture.
You sound like a teenage girl. Bach's music is full of >emotion. You just don't think it is because your tastes are too accustomed to such melodramatic music.
That's the link I had copied previously for last thread I meant to post Buxtehude's passacaglia youtube.com/watch?v=w2GoH4-Gm44 I think I did it again in my post below that one when I meant to post Bach's Passacaglia Apparently I've some specific mental deficiency when it comes to linking to Passacaglias
was gonna say oriental but the cucks at my uni have conditioned me against it
David Phillips
Thank you.
Grayson Parker
Thank you
John Green
That means your mom is a fucking bitch and you need to move out ASAP. How dare she insinuate that you're a pedophile? What a sick whore. Move out and cut contact with her. She doesnt deserve you
Can someone identify for me a music that goes kinda like this: num.to/1400-0388-0989 (the link is for my beepbox tone deaf recreation of the music)
Tyler Brooks
Air is such a beautiful song. It is so different from the rest of Bach's music (in that it's actually good) that I'm starting to wonder if he actually wrote it.
I gave up on modern Bayreuth years ago. I only slightly clocked into Petrenko's traversal and that was only out of curiosity for his interpretation. The whole place is a huge joke from the laughable productions to the awful singing.
Samuel Moore
>Bach's music is perhaps the most monotonous and soulless music b8
Kayden Collins
>Mathematically, Bach's music is perfectly sound Prove it.
Tyler Russell
I prefer his prelude and his fugue, trueley amazing genious songs.
I hate Gergiev, for me he's a big hack who just waves around his hands and overemphasizes as many parts of the score as possible. I'll listen to the overture and just hope that the Bayreuth pitch neutralizes everything. Lise Davidsen is a great singer, so I will just listen to dich du teure Halle if everything else sucks.
Isaiah Martin
yeah, I am not expecting it to be a 10/10 either but since it's Tannhäuser, I simply have to watch it. It's my favourite opera.
how can they do it. It completely changes the meaning of Tannhäuser.
Lucas Ramirez
why they put a midget on it?
Elijah Adams
he characterizes Oscar from Die Blechtrommel (The Tin Drum) movie adaptation. Staging concept relies on associations. Venus and her gang are supposed to be a free commune like in the 70s.
>At any rate, the whole music of romanticism [e.g. Schumann and Wagner] ... was second-rate music from the very start, and real musicians took little notice of it. Things were different with Felix Mendelssohn, that halcyon master who, thanks to his easier, purer, happier soul, was quickly honoured and just as quickly forgotten, as a lovely incident in German music.[186]
Thinking about it, the staging makes sense so far. The world of Venus is depicted with fast food, drag queen, degeneracy, crime, American trash culture on one side and the other side is symbolized with high German art in form of Bayreuth and Wagner that saves your soul.
it's a pretty fun set, though i feel like he's surprisingly uninteresting in the 3rd and 9th. rest are good though.
the Corolian is especially nice with how THICC the bassline is
Noah Morris
So what composers were directly influenced by Scriabin? There are some I know but for sure there must be more: Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Lyatoshynsky, Roslavets, Myaskovsky
Asher Wilson
Cringe fake glen you forgot the only good composer who was influenced by Scriabin, Medtner.
Jonathan Ortiz
The woodwind balance also, makes it sound so Mozartian
You only skip romantic after you listen to the 10 Wagner operas and read Schopenhauer for the full experience Then the rest doesn't matter
Isaiah Carter
Does it matter? I notice I do the left pic sometimes, especially when doing chromatic scales (but also a little when doing normal scales). I really have to put in effort to not do that
Beethoven certainly changed the way that people thought about music, but this was a change for the worse. From the speculations of Pythagoras about the "music of the spheres" in ancient Greece onwards, most Western musicians had agreed that musical beauty was based on a mysterious connection between sound and mathematics, and that this provided music with an objective goal, something that transcended the individual composer's idiosyncrasies and aspired to the universal. Beethoven managed to put an end to this noble tradition by inaugurating a barbaric U-turn away from an other-directed music to an inward-directed, narcissistic focus on the composer himself and his own tortured soul.
This was a ghastly inversion that led slowly but inevitably to the awful atonal music of Schönberg and Webern. In other words, almost everything that went wrong with music in the 19th and 20th centuries is ultimately Beethoven's fault. Schönberg was simply taking Beethoven's original mistake to its ultimate, monstrous, logical conclusion.
The song is strong, large,saturated in daunt lights, dying but not dead, huge. I now think of any large sounding song in any genre as Magnificent if it encompasses anything I just described. The closest I can think is Tchaikovsky's Winter, Edward Elgar's Cello Concerto 2nd movement or maybe some Dark Souls songs.
I have finally found the best recording of the Selva Morale e Spirituale I knew this was pure gold but most ensembles just couldn't get it right I'm going to post some selections tomorrow, now i have to sleep
>It is impossible to communicate with Schumann. The man is hopeless; he doesn't talk at all. - Wagner >Wagner is impossible... he talks without ever stopping. One can't just talk all the time. - Schumann
Henry Allen
I don't get what's with the hate for beethoven here. I think his quartets and sonatas (especially late ones) are really good. He does have lots of boring stuff. You just have to be selective with what you listen to. youtube.com/watch?v=7sDLvBbja6w
Kayden Ortiz
They're just salty. Beethoven is THE composer, along with Bach, and his sonatas, symphonies and quartets are each the canon of their genre.
>Mendelssohn-Schumann-Brahmsian >not romanticuck Mendelssohn is cool, but also i think you might be confused because the original insult was aimed at someone trashing bach, not you who "worships bach"
Benjamin Long
i really like reinbert de leeuw's renditions of satie
Benjamin Harris
What's some essential fatherland core? Currently listening to pic related.
>missing the point this hard I was saying not all Romantics were filthy Bach-underrating firetruckers, you drooling retard
Jordan Jenkins
Americans
Austin Walker
Weber
Brandon Bennett
But European composers were still there How?
Noah Perry
Marshall Plan
Camden Miller
>How? He ended the classical period and began the romantic period.
Nicholas Perry
Say it with me: capitalism
Landon Moore
Say it with me: collapse of aristocracy and patronage French music fell to shit right after the revolutions while German music subsisted until WWI
Jordan Johnson
>not even trolling not even trying, pathetic contratianlarp
Jeremiah Reyes
recording killed classical, it leveled the playing field between skilled and unskilled performers, composed and improvised music, high and low art. it devalued all of the things that made the classical traditon thrive
Jose Martinez
this is the correct answer, in addition to electronic >music
>printing killed poetry, it leveled the playing field between skilled and unskilled reciters, prepared and improvised speech, high and low art. it devalued all of the things that made the classical traditon thrive
Samuel Moore
i hope you know this actually proves his point rather than refutes it
Daniel Cruz
Bach's music has no emotion. I'm starting to think he was a robot.
Music is not there for the performer to merely piggyback on while showing off his own skills; it's the performer that must blend in, not the notes. I've almost come to detest going to concerts because the music loses all its intimacy, all its personal meaning for me once it's played out there on the stage, under blinding spotlights in front of everyone. Richter had it right in choosing to play in small venues with no light but a small lamp for the score.
>Beethoven is THE composer We both know that is Mozart
Brody Evans
"What is much weaker in Beethoven compared to Mozart, and especially compared to Sebastian Bach, is the use of dissonance. Dissonance, true dissonance as Mozart used it, is not to be found in Beethoven." --Brahms
A bunch of racists in this thread pretending old white men who don’t even get radio play are somehow more worth our time than the contemporary explosion of hip hop. Jay Z is ten times the genius of Mozart. Cancel these dog whistle threads.
Levi Baker
>Jay Z is ten times the genius of Mozart. At making money, maybe.
Anthony Cooper
Ew why is it so bright? The piano was never meant to be a happy instrument
I’m a huge fan of Mozart but Beethoven’s 9th is undoubtedly the greatest musical achievement of all time. And it’s not it’s his only masterpiece, either. If Mozart had lived longer probably he would have accomplished as much, but he didn’t and he didn’t.
Luis Thomas
>Beethoven’s 9th is undoubtedly the greatest musical achievement of all time Lmao
Lucas Perez
What would you rank over it smarmybro? Genuinely curious.
Benjamin Morris
Bach's B minor mass and his organ set of preludes and fugues Mozart's 41st, Figaro, and personally his 38th Beethoven's own 3rd symphony and 13th - 16th string quartets
Hm fair enough, I wouldn’t rank any of them as close except Mozart’s 41st, which is cleaner and more fun to listen to, but imo less impressive and more shallow. I won’t lie, I think classical is inherently inferior to romantic, and probably there is no clearer delineation between them than those two symphonies.
... Making money because he’s making music that people want to listen to more than Mozart. e.g., he’s better than Mozart. It’s not tumblr, it’s the contemporary sentiment that elitist racists here are just averse to.
Levi Martin
Indeed. Lil Nas X's music will outlive us all.
Nicholas Ramirez
my piano teacher don't let me learn this because it scares her youtu.be/NtvLI0IfGrE
what should I think
Adrian Baker
>post those Monteverdi tunes Next thread :3 this thread is already dying
Isaiah Martinez
Based fake glen
Nicholas Howard
learn obukhov instead so she dies of a heart attack
Zachary Thomas
>tfw can play the first and final movements of Mozart's 11th piano sonata now Feels good
I can't record shit right now as I only have a crappy laptop, but I do intend to get a better system and record it soon. Preferably after getting the second movement down as well. Then it is time to upload it to youtube with a generic anime image as background
Joshua Collins
How do I write classical music? I was thinking of composing a flute sonata, but I don't own a flute, or real piano.
I have a friend that only listens to romantic music. Even though I tried to show him Bach, he doesn't like it. But fuck it, why is Bach still so fucking forgotten by common classical listeners?
Dylan Mitchell
They can't into counterpoint because they've been conditioned by years of vertical single melody over harmony in music
Sebastian Nelson
there are some bach pieces that feel romantic like air on a g string, it could help him into bach
Jordan Hall
>who don’t even get radio play mentally ill you are
Oliver Mitchell
>why is Bach still so fucking forgotten by common classical listeners? Because Bach sounds terrible but has managed to fool a generation of autists into thinking he's good because of >muh modulation >muh mathematics.
>there are some bach pieces that feel romantic like air on a g string Incidentally Bach's only good song.
Noah Wilson
Bach is like an astronomer who, with the help of ciphers, finds the most wonderful stars. - Friederick Chopin
And if we look at the works of JS Bach - a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity - on each page we discover things which we thought were born only yesterday, from delightful arabesques to an overflowing of religious feeling greater than anything we have since discovered. And in his works we will search in vain for anything the least lacking in good taste. - Claude Debussy
I had no idea of the historical evolution of the civilized world's music and had not realized that all modern music owes everything to Bach. - Niccolai Rimsky-Korsakov
looks like someone hasn't listened to bach enough
Adrian Bennett
Modulation is rarely brought up as one of Bach's key qualities. Most half-decent composers can into good modulation. Counterpoint is the "muh" mostly brought up for Bach, and with good reason. He's the king at it.
Anthony Kelly
Hey classic anons, is there a name to the style of music at the intro? youtu.be/6B3YwcjQ_bU It reminds me of the intros for some 90s or anime movies. It's very sweet.
Brody Collins
And it came back viciously with Faure, Chabrier and Franck, and dominated the 20th century with Debussy Ravel and Messiaen
Samuel Cox
>while German music subsisted until WWI And all the while ignored Mozart, Schubert and many other geniuses, face it, only a few artists will appreciate the great geniuses, only someone like Louis XIV, can appreciate the great genius of artists. The Aristocracy is great, but don't think they don't divulge into mediocrity
Eli Richardson
I made this post some months ago and got ignored, again? Please anons, help me.
Watching this scene is the moment Bach clicked for me, years ago. The very essence of German interpretation of God flows through his powerful music... it's fantastic
Two things that define the classical tradition are: notated music, and virtuosity. Both have been almost completely devalued by recording. recording killed poetry too. Poetry is long dead, if you haven't noticed.
Jayden Cook
is a piece not a song, you should check then the rest of ma vlast, these are symphonic poems
