Ever since my teen years I've been very involved in the hardcore scene, which is probably the most politically driven scene of music, and unfortunately its known to be extremely left wing and a lot of the times even flirts with socialism. I tend to lean to the right side of the political spectrum but accept anyone's views as long as they accept mine (which they don't). This always sucked for me and I was wondering if any other hardcore/metal kids feel me on this.
Do politics belong in music?
Isaiah Reed
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Jaxson Collins
political music exist since the early 60s
The only difference is that since the Bush days it was so direct that aged like milk, same is gonna happen with anti-Trump music
Adam Rogers
it can't age like milk when it's rotten right out the gate
Matthew Green
So you believe the free market produces the most prosperous society and charity can handle problems of poverty, even when no charity at any point in the past has ever solved any problem of poverty and they basically become perpetual entities that never accomplish anything and ultimately serve as a way for rich people to feel good about themselves?
Colton Morgan
Music is about communication and self-expression. Part of the reason it's emotionally affecting is that the melodic sounds resemble patterns of speech, which convey emotion (hence why minor chords sound sad - they transfer the same emotions as a sad voice does).
Because of music's communicative quality, it can be used to convey any message. Those messages can be personal or universal, but they can also be political (though note that the political can be personal). It's reasonable that a person dealing with police brutality would sing about it, the same way someone dealing with a break up, or an exciting adventure, would want to sing about those things.
Further, protest music like folk and punk are perfectly set up for political messages because of their structure, with vocals over the instruments. They also hype people up, which could get people to rally around a message, influencing them.
The drawback is that one of music's most important roles is social cohesion/unity, and bringing people together. Politics are inherently divisive, because they're about social change that some people will inevitably be against.
Wyatt Allen
The only thing that belongs in music is instrumentals or songs about getting high and beating women.
Lincoln Hill
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Dylan Reyes
>political music exist since the early 60s
What the fuck are you on? Political music has existed for most of human history.
Jack White
what happens after poverty is solved? no more hardcore music?
Nathan Price
i don't give a fuck as long as it's not tactless and shitty
Brody James
Yes maybe one day the world will become fair and no one will suffer. Maybe one day you’ll come back to reality but this will never happen in human society and we are doomed to extinction. Now how about you just go to your hardcore shows and enjoy the music
Kayden Roberts
>poverty solved
nice pipe dream lad.
Elijah Morales
That’s the joke
Joshua Perry
A reminder that the biggest face of unity between crackers and niggers was a conservative.
Isaac Myers
everything is political.
Julian Morales
basically a fascist here and i love hardcore music. Sectioned, Vein and Knocked Loose have been my jams for a while
James Reyes
No joke, governments have literally solved poverty and homelessness in Europe. If you're an American you need to actually put effort into developing an international consciousness because this whole continent from coast to coast is controlled by a state that attempts to homogenize a vast array of different groups of people in a federalist fashion rather than a democratic fashion and convince them all that America is the greatest. If you're a moron, you'll actually believe it too. The state federalist system is totally inefficient, and in many areas, it is a centurty behind the rest of the world in terms of freedom and prosperity. Look at the infrastructure of rural towns. Even some towns in California don't even have potable water lines.
Lincoln Cox
>fascist
unironically kill yourself in the most painful way readily available to you
Juan Martinez
Funnily enough political groups diverse enough would sign under that statement.
Lincoln Edwards
I think asking whether or not politics belong in music at all is the wrong question. politics will rear it's head in music no matter what, so rather we should analyze the way in which the politics is incorporated in the music and whether it's sloppy and shallow or if it adds a deeper layer to the music.
example of quality political music: youtube.com
example of shallow political music: youtube.com
Angel Myers
actually based as fuck
John Green
Politics does belong in music as art can be political and always has been political.
It's impossible for art to, on some level, not to be political.
Leo Flores
I like hardcore/metal and don't care about trendy politics. The sick riffs are all that matter.
Jace Hernandez
Fair enough. tbqh most of my favorite heavy music straddles the line between metal and punk - the really apocalyptic-sounding crust bands, the snottiest, most vicious black metal bands, the most frantic death metal bands, the most intense, blood-curdling hardcore bands, the harshest sludge metal bands... and the most conscious/political grindcore bands (sorry about that one)
Justin Perez
Imagine believing that anything can actually be politically neutral or that "neutrality" a la Cartesian rationalism even exists
Adam Bennett
Europe is more than half of Germany and a part of France. Can you claim that Portugal, Belgium, Greece, Bulgaria, and if we're talking about non-EU Europe, Albania, Romania, Serbia, North Macedonia, Ukraine, or even England ;) have solved poverty and homelessness?
They haven't. Socialism is a reasonable system to take aim at those problems, EU's hip liberalism did a half assed job.
Mason Barnes
Ah, the sleep of babes. Not even aware that what he just said is directly shaped by his socioeconomic and sociopolitical status.
Logan Rodriguez
That's right. But Portugal and Belgium are actually in quite good condition regarding poverty and homelessness. The EU's globalist liberalism did work while people were willing to accept completely phony Great Society plastic politics though. It was a beautiful dream.
Ryder Robinson
People will always write music about politics. Nothing you can do about that. Personally I try to ignore the politics and enjoy the music for what it is. But of course there's only so far you can go with that. I find it hard to enjoy bands like Propagandhi or IDLES for that reason because of how blatant their messages are and how much I disagree with them. But I still like me some 80's anarcho-punk from time to time.
Angel Gomez
only in soyy infused genres like punk. Otherwise, only small amounts of politics are acceptable.