>Have listened to hundreds of Jazz albums
>Favorites are still the greats (John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Bill Evans, Charles Mingus)
Was scaruffi right in that the most popular of rock isn't the greatest of the genre, but the most popular of jazz is the greatest of the genre?
Look at the most popular jazz albums of all time, I mean these are all very innovative and excellent albums. Kind Of Blue essentially invented modal jazz, and is arguably the greatest of modal jazz. A Love Supreme is filled with polyrhythms, and a more free approach to lead playing. And so on.
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there are plenty of bad popular jazz albums
I feel like the difference is that jazz, to my knowledge, was never a hugely popular genre, even if it had big selling albums it seems to have always been something enjoyed mostly by musicians/people with a genuine love for music. Rock, however, was the most popular music for a long time. I feel like this has something to do with it. because all the bad popular jazz albums (as mentioned) like George Benson shit, isn't really remembered because jazz fans were always a pretty cult audience. Whereas we all remember shit rock music that was popular like ACDC or whatever because everyone heard that shit on the radio
There are obviously good obscure jazz albums, but as a rule it does generally hold true. The most popular jazz albums are masterpieces
This seems about right to me. What don't you like about George Benson btw? I will agree he is a pretty poppy player, but he is a pretty good player at very least.
Rock is four chords played for a thousand people
Jazz is a thousand chords played for four people.
Jazz is musician's music. It explores interesting musical ideas, aims to sound elegant and effortless, virtuosity is damn near required to perform it well and although improvisational chops doesn't really matter to most people it is, and has always been, a huge deal for musicians. Jazz musicians generally didn't (and still don't) resort to cheap gimmicks to try to sell their music either, it's all about the music for the jazz audience and the jazz players.
*Bladee is musician's music
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Those are the favorites of hardcore fans, but the majority of pop music of the time was in the "jazz" style. Frank Sinatra sold more records than a lot of those guys. The difference is that the jazz critics didn't automatically see the most popular jazz singers and players as the best while the rock critics did. (beatles for example)
These are not the most popular jazz-musicans. The most popular are Louise Armstrong, Duke Ellington probably David Brubeck.
I mean Miles might belong but Coltrane, Mingus and Evans surely doesn't.
George Benson is not shit!
On another note;
Dizzy and Parker were hugely popular at the time and are for sure the best bebop-musicians.
did 'Scruffy say this?
he sure likes a lot of relatively unpopular jazz for someone who would hold such an opinion
there's some truth to it, I think, but only up until the 70's
he just made a lot of shit albums from the mid-70's onwards
It's because you need academic credentials to be a jazz (or classical) critic, whereas the people gatekeeping the rock canon basically just need a hipster-gonzo style of writing and a blog
If by popular, you mean critically acclaimed then yes.
With the caveat that plenty of cream rises to the top but there's a lot to be said for music that isn't widely lauded but which still speaks to your sensibilities and personality.
Jazz fags are pseudo intelectuals. Always.
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I think a good portion of jazz listeners are listening for pretentious reasons, but the genre does have a lot of really great releases, such as Head Hunters.
Nice generalisation. Projecting much?
>but the most popular of jazz is the greatest of the genre?
No, because Andrew Hill, Sam Rivers, Dolphy, Tony Williams, McCoy Tyner, Archie Shepp, weren't the most popular jazz musicians.
There are plenty of underlistened jazz albums that are great. Xi by Bendik Hofseth comes to mind
This board never fails to make me cringe. Imagine unironically liking jazz. Lmao
quality post friend.