how do i avoid my piano music sounding like anime music
Jackson Lee
Modulate a lot, vary your accompaniment, use skips and uneven rhythms in your melodies, delay or suppress your cadences
Jonathan Clark
webern easily
Connor Thomas
you're going to have to use a scale besides the penta tonic you weeb
Jonathan Stewart
Mendelssohn
Christian Turner
people keep posting composers anyone could easily enjoy in response to this. the best answer was mine, webern. if you are capable of appreciating his music (pretty much any of it) then you've comfortably ascended beyond the level of pleb. same cannot be said for the other composers, even scriabin. i'm also disappointed no one mentioned any medieval or renaissance music, which is probably the best you can do for a pre-20th c. pleb filter. anything from the 17th-19th c. (that's particularly well-known at any rate) = not a pleb filter
Kevin Ramirez
Alkan
Owen Young
Further proof Mozart is underrated. There is far more to it than mere enjoyment, any braindead can bang his head to shrill noise more so than the "pleasant" music you dismiss (case in point, the catalog), but that doesn't mean they will actually know it, be intimate with its every corner, texture and feeling and have a sense of its position and their position within it. You simply won't have any of that experience in your "deep" 20th century mishmash, they are nothing in themselves and only accumulations as befitting such a reign of quantity.
David Gray
these composers are great, but many of the things that are great about them can be grasped immediately and intuitively. that's one of the things that's great about them, in fact. but because of this, they cannot function as pleb filters. showing someone a mozart piece would never turn them away from classical music. that's my point.
David Flores
Plenty of people dislike classical because they think it's "boring" and they're thinking of Mozart when they say so
Elijah Brooks
If you think of someone going through music chronologically then it has to be Webern.
Charles Long
and yet they'd still be able to recognize immediately at least 5 different compositions of his upon hearing just the first few seconds, even if they couldn't name them. and they'd enjoy those pieces, whether they claim to or not. mozart totally resists contrarianism.
Oliver Myers
Exactly, they would know jack shit about them. They would grasp nothing in them intuitively, simply listening to them as study music. Yet to the one that listens secretly the works would paint entire worlds otherwise inaccessible to them.
Carter Martin
Speaking of Mozart I asked about a fugue for strings he wrote when young a couple of months ago I just recendly found it's the last movement of String Quartet No. 13 in D minor, so there you go
Ethan Wood
>le "deep" cacophony music Lmao
Asher Perez
wouldn't exactly call pointilist music cacophonous
>i'm also disappointed no one mentioned any medieval or renaissance music, which is probably the best you can do for a pre-20th c. pleb filter based. youtube.com/watch?v=f95URDw3pO
Holy shit Chad has got some pipes on him. Vivaldi is based by the way.
Matthew Diaz
Nielsen.
Michael Reed
>Jewish Folder Gross.
Charles Sanders
I am new to classical music and only listen to popular classical composers. How do i discover new classical music and new classical composers?
Josiah Jones
well if you listen on youtube, you could click on recommended videos. you could take the autism route and look at something like this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era and check out the big names in chronological order, listening to a variety of pieces from each. you could also do some research to found out who influenced the composers you like. as long as you keep listening, you will always find new stuff
Posting Lyathoshynsky becaused he is a based modernist that dabbed over Stalin with this work youtube.com/watch?v=ZrzhIp6CrD8
Elijah Rogers
2nd
James Bailey
I'm currently listening to his 3rd symphony right now. What a coincidence.
Aiden Jackson
Listen to 1, 9, 4 and 7. Best mahler
listened to this last night. was enjoyable but not successor to scriabin tier like I was promised. shall be listening to some of his piano works
Landon Perry
this, i always take the autism route. with philosophy, with music, and to a certain degree with film. chronological and thorough.
Jackson Ward
Pretty good too, it also has a recent recording by Chandos which is quite good >not successor to scriabin tier like I was promised. shall be listening to some of his piano works Yeah he's not really a successor of Scriabin but more in the path of Szymanowsky and early Myaskovsky
Connor Ross
>more in the path of Szymanowsky can you rec any of his work thats similar to szymanowskis violin concerti? those are some of my favourite all time pieces
I don't really know much about him, I recently started to listen to him. His string quartets are interesting too, especially the third, the most atonal one
I'm looking for a Bach piece, a fugue-like choral movement from one of his cantatas. The subject is in pic related - i remember hearing it in C minor if that helps, but with HIP recordings and such one cannot be sure of the notation involved.
why would you put yourself in this position? let /classical/ make some suggestions. post piece
Jeremiah Morales
For me are the second, fifth and sixth
Ryder Reed
how do I filter everything on this board but /classical/
Julian Nelson
But user why would you want to filter out fantano and hip hop threads
Jaxon Butler
At what age did you grow out of Beethoven?
Justin Campbell
Music began in France, from the notre dame school, Franco-Flemish School, Baroque, and Late Romanticism, Impressionism and Modernism. German music is overrated besides the main canon. The Understated and underrated French composer is better than Germans like Bruckner, Reger or Italians like Puccini, Veracini or Verdi. Kudos to this post for mention Chabrier, as modern as the 20th century but with that colorful and romantic charm in the music
Sebastian Ortiz
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Blake Foster
I’m a pleb when it comes to classical, still mainly listening through the major symphonies, but I had a dream recently in which Anna Karenina (as I understood her to be, not super relevant) smoldered in an opera box to the sound of chaotically impassioned piano, more like sheets of piano rain than coherent melody. The color of the music, for any synaesthetes that might help, was cherry red, punctuated by chords of raw viscera. I hardly know piano music beyond Chopin’s Nocturnes and some Beethoven, so could anyone help me figure out if music like this exists? I assume it does and I just need to find the names.
Benjamin Torres
Thank you.
Jackson Phillips
Not like Mahler is obtuse, some of the first symphonies I listened to seriously were his 6th and 2nd and I was immediately and easily taken in by them.
Noah White
Lulu? It's a "post-tonal" opera, so maybe that fits the bill. It also mostly reminds me of the color red when I think of it
Christopher Edwards
Sounds interesting so I’ll listen to it anyway, but I more had in mind an exclusively piano work of super rapid fingering.
>and intended to be listened Mozart symphonies' movements weren't played in the order they are played today but rather they were constantly interrupted by arias and other pieces of music on concerts, maybe sometimes they even skipped movements.
Nathaniel Sullivan
is there any other music with the feel of this recording, because i haven't found any
That first movement is definitely not played "as fast as possible" there. Fantastic piece though
Charles Gomez
E flat minor prelude is kinda cringe but the fugue is patrician.Same thing goes for b flat minor. Book 2 , the G minor fugue is patrician as fuck but very hard to play. There's also the hellish B flat minor prelude and fugue. F sharp minor is a beautiful prelude and another difficult fugue.
Joshua Richardson
i like grainger's tempo more than argerich's
Dylan Torres
Early Romanticism is also an utter playground for the French, Cherubini, Leseuer, Mehul, all insanely great. The French only have a bit of a hole in terms of the classical period, and even then there's Gossec.
Aaron James
I don't know any of these composers. Where should I start? I'm about to listen to Mehul's first symphony but after that?
Just out of curiosity, how many of you still prefer physical media, specifically for classical music? What is your reasoning? Personally, I still prefer to buy sets with good liner notes and lots of info about the composer, performance, production, etc.
Caleb Lee
>buy heh, good one.
Jackson Robinson
>buy
Nathaniel Gutierrez
I went to listen to him some weeks ago, it was pretty disappointing, not him though he was rather great; it was only good with the zelanka aria, the rest didn't felt like sacred music and it lacked power so it really had nothing for itself. Also fuck the mayor and his coterie of dicksuckers for stealing all the front row seats, I probably would have enjoyed it more if I was closer
Nathan Perez
They're just categories m8, they're not related to anything like the date of your birth. When you say a line is either straight or curved, and after measuring its curvature from different points refer to it as a straight line or a curved line, does that make it astrology?
Ryder Diaz
they're scientifically proven to be fake, dude. they don't actually tell you anything about a person. you're better off just trusting your intuitive sense of what someone's like than you are using these categories invented from a perversion of carl jung's writings if you want to understand someone.
Mehul's first symphony is, by all means, the French version of Beethoven's Fifth, being written the same year, and by all means to general confusion of who wrote it first. All three of Early Romanticism are opera composers primarily and all amazing at it. Mehul also was one of the first and best Symphonists of the Early Romantic era; meanwhile Cherubini's chamber music, though not large, is considered amidst the masterpieces of the genre during the time period, and his Requiem in C minor is also stunning. Outside of opera, Lesuer's notability is mostly his oratorios, but his operas are monumental and he is the great pioneer of what Berlioz would later popularize
Gossec is a bit of an odd case here; he's got extremely short pieces (some of his symphonic works don't reach ten minutes), but he is the source of the great revival of instrumental music in the French community, and an amazing orchestrator.
Cherubini worked his entire life in France, by 30 he'd basically become like Lully - born in Italy, naturalized French, using the French version of his name for pretty much everything.
Isaac Watson
I've given up on physical media, digital is too convienient
Leo Perry
why boulez was so cringe?, he eved disliked brahms
Joshua Flores
A friend of mine has over 8.000 discs and LP's (which he has been collection from over 40 years) but I'm a hippie poorfag so I don't buy shit
Bentley Wilson
he decided that france needed a bad composer for a change
Joshua Moore
whos more cringe boulez or stockhausen?
Jackson Powell
stockhausen because he's g*rman
Bentley Martinez
Glen Ghoul
James Anderson
stockhausen is easily the bigger cringelord but he's still one of the most important composers of the 20th century
Stop impersonating me fake glen. I see you're trying to act like I'm the fake one now. Meticulously saving my reaction pics and studying my posting style wont convince /classical/ that you're me
is it just me, or is beethoven's second symphony shit?
Ryder Wilson
I never listened to his 1st, 2nd, 4th, or 8th. Am I missing anything?
Jason Baker
That's pretty much where I was, when I figured I should give his lesser known symphonies a try. The first is classical in style, and really tame compared to his later stuff. I did enjoy it a lot though. The second is pretty similar stylistically but the themes aren't as good. The first two movements are fine, but the scherzo and finale are pretty shit if you ask me. I'm working my way through the fourth right now, and as of right now I think it's his most underrated symphony.
Serious question, how do you guys listen to classical music? I want to start listening to it but as there are no albums I don't really see a way convenient way of doing so. Do you just compile whatever you like that a composer/artist made and create a pseudo-album or do you just listen to whatever you feel like on youtube?
it helps to know respected performers/conductors but its not essential. if you need to get into a composer and don't know about interpretation just ask here and most of the time the answers will be correct
Parker Jenkins
B R U C K N E R
Juan Roberts
After listening for a while you get to know the name of performers/conductors/orchestras and which oned you prefer. After studying a but in the composer's life and history you end up forming your own opinion on how works "should" be performed and you live the rest of your life trying to find the "perfect" recording
The 8th is sorely underrated. Listen attentively with a score, note the subtle asymmetries in form and instrumentation. I recommend Vanska: youtube.com/watch?v=y41DpxhzpNg
I came across this album some years ago and I’m pretty sure very few people have heard it, but I think it’s really interesting. Give it a listen and see what you think.
It's a golden age of used media, my dude, especially for classical records. All the classic rock and stuff is getting marked way up, but you can get classical records for dirt cheap because hardly anybody wants them.
Jack Smith
Can anyone redpill me on some late baroque/classic period stuff
polyphony. The minute you have an arpegiated left hand motif and a lyrical right hand, you are weeb.
You want 2 or more independent melodies simultaneously.
The option is to abandon tonality, or at least go beyond tonality - use harsh dissonance, bimodality, shit like that.
Colton Gonzalez
I call bullshit. No orchestra is going to debut a work without seeing the score first, unless you're a very well known or well established composer, which I highly doubt would be posting on Yea Forums.
Noah Morales
Air doesn't even register on the 'good Bach' scale
>friends with everyone, even the people that hated his guts >did not charge for lessons and berated those that did so, despite being filthy rich himself >received doctorate, never used his Dr. title >when the beethoven monument didn't collect enough money, returned to touring despite having retired to spend time with his family and donated all his fat earnings to the monument as well as financing the whole cost of the concert hall built nearby He was truly a marvelous person
>did not charge for lessons and berated those that did so, despite being filthy rich himself A rich person trying to stop people from making a living. How is that a good thing?
He sounds like an asshole. Deleting all his music from my library.
Brayden Ramirez
>A rich person trying to stop people from making a living Exactly the opposite
>He was troubled when German newspapers published details of pedagogue Theodor Kullak's will, revealing that Kullak had generated more than one million marks from teaching. "As an artist, you do not rake in a million marks without performing some sacrifice on the altar of Art," >He wrote to the Allgemeine musikalische Zeitung, urging Kullak's sons to create an endowment for needy musicians, as Liszt himself frequently did.
Alexander Lee
>listening to the faust symphony, the dante symphony and the sonata in b minor at the same time I hear........ the Lord..............
This is actually true despite being poorly worded. Webern was the last true heir to the Germanic classical tradition. His premature and tragic death in 1945 marked the end of an era that lasted 300 years. Since then, classical music has become a postmodern wasteland with very few relevant composers, pretty much all of them being heavily influenced by him.
Webern's music is also incredibly beautiful, and not just in theory either. Anyone who thinks he's just using dissonance for its own sake or 12 tone technique for the sake of emulating Schoenberg are extremely misguided. Webern would spend years composing a single 5-minute opus and agonized over every single note. As a result, his body of work was very small but his quality control was second to none. I bought a box set of his complete published works last year on a whim (Boulez recordings) and it turned out to be the best $15 I've ever spent on music.
Sorry for autistic rant. I get very defensive of my Webern. :(
Boulez's version is not ideal because he forgets Webern is supposed to be played like you were playing Mahler or Strauss, which implies being emotional to an excess. If played dry, most of it is lsot.
Logan Martinez
The Inner and Outer Complexity of Music by Barry Truax
poly is based though and has better taste than us. our only saving grace is that we like monteverdi
Jack Hughes
Based fake glen now we only 1 post to reach bump limit
Sebastian Bell
New
Elijah Martinez
New edition
Charles Gonzalez
I want to listen to something sweet and beautiful right now. I'm having some trouble, most of my favorite composers are relatively abrasive, loud. I want something beautiful and common practice. Think Lohengrin Act I Overture. Any suggestions
