Do you agree that it’s impossible for very attractive musicians to be able to write and create emotionally deep music because they are basically living on easy mode?
TDLR: Ugly people/manlets/people who go through real hardships make better music than those who aren’t
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Absolutely. Attractive people have it good.
Not really. The human condition is such that anyone can find something to be unhappy about if that's how their brain is wired. We're all dealing with our own personal scale of highs to lows—we can't feel other people's because we can never directly experience someone else's life. Someone on the Forbes List could be going through just as much emotional distress as a homeless person because they only have their own lived experiences to measure against. Same goes for an attractive person and an ugly person. I'd say happiness has a lot more to do with underlying predisposition toward anxiety/depression than physical appearance or other kinds of privilege. "Life is what you make it" is a cliche but it's not totally false. People who know how to roll with the punches seem to be happiest overall.
it's all relative
imagine actually thinking this
nice rebuttal faggot
i dont know what girls rate morrissey but he had a pretty good chin
I don't spend time thinking about such things because I'm not an underaged b& high school cuckold who sits around worrying about how "hawt" other guys are like some closet homo
I do agree any level of adversity tends to produce better art because you will be more motivated and driven, however there are plenty of ugly people who make shit music and plenty of good looking people who have had their share of adversity. Attractive people exist in fucked up situations too, not sure if you realize that.
There have tons of very attractive musicians who have made incredible music, so no. I know that people on this board want some comeuppance for attractive people, but this ain’t it. The comeuppance could be that unattractive people often spending more time alone than attractive people, but the potential merit of that is only realized if you, the unattractive person, actually spend your alone time creating meaningful things and not just browsing the Chan and jerking off.
I’m someone who is not top-tier or anything but what a lot of people would consider somewhat attractive objectively and I can tell you that constantly seeing this opinion circulating here contributes to my feelings of isolation, because it’s implying that all my mood swings and constant feelings of depression and emptiness and alcoholism and ruined friendships and crying jags mean absolutely nothing just because my molecules are somewhat well-formed and I take care of my physical appearance. You will have some advantages like getting laid more and getting the odd job here and there that an ugly person won’t get, but that doesn’t mean that you’ll feel significantly more happy or fulfilled in life than unattractive people. Especially if the sex leads to no deeepr emotional connection (more depressing than if you hadn’t had it at all) or if you end up getting fired from the job because of your mental issues, which is what happens to me all the time.
>Nick Drake - 6'4, classically handsome. >Wrote 3 great melancholic albums.
>Overdosed at 26
>Do you agree that it’s impossible for very attractive musicians to be able to write and create emotionally deep music because they are basically living on easy mode?
Counter-argument: Tim Buckley, Jim Morrison, Peter Steele, Syd Barrett, Sakevi, Quorthon, Elias Bender Ronnenfelt
Thanks for contributing man. idk if I can really consider myself attractive but I recently set up a tinder account to see what girls thought of me (cause I'm borderline autistic and isolated to the point where I never really interact with girls irl so I have no irl experience to measure against) and matched with quite a few girls I would have once assumed were completely out of my league (who don't seem to be bots). So I used to think I was a 5.5/10 and now it seems like I'm more of a 7/10. But depressingly enough, it didn't really improve my self esteem cause I just found new things to obsess about. I'm realizing that my problem is more psychological than physical, but that realization hasn't really helped anything so far.
t. Sheltered idiot
he was a weird miserable gay volcel though
That’s the other thing, when you start to see yourself as possibly attractive you just start getting more obsessive about your appearance and comparing yourself to people, and getting insecure about your nose being too crooked or your body being a weird shape or whatever. At least when you’re ugly you can just say “fuck it, I’m ugly” and relax.
Emotionally dishonest garbage
Does tinder really work? I'm kind of in the same 'mental' situation and I believe i'm good looking (tall, white, good face, thin)
>Does tinder really work?
I mean yeah, but be prepared for your results to slow down after the first few weeks. Tinder really wants to get you to buy a gold account so they give you an advantage at first, only to filter your results later to fuck with you psychologically. Just ignore it.
Being ugly isn't all that bad. Sure you can't get any matches on tinder, but if you have enough game you can still pick up most girls face-to-face. Patrice O'neal was a fat ugly motherfucker but that didn't stop him from being a pimp (If you're curious on how he does it, listen to the black phillip show)
Sure, life's a bit harder in some aspects, but everyone has obstacles, you grow by finding ways to overcome them. Don't shun the world for not being born into easy-mode, instead, take it as a challenge, and overcoming these challenges will theoretically make you a stronger person than someone more attractive because you had to learn to deal with things they could never dream of.
This is coming from a VERY ugly 23 year old that has been with around 25 (attractive) women so far
>music has to be emotionally deep for him to enjoy it
What a fag haha
Where do you meet women
Instagram
I have no pictures of my face on my profile, only cat pictures and videos of me playing instruments
I only chat with girls who i can tell aren't superficial, most times when i send them a picture of me i already have them hooked so it's sorta too late
Most of the times they are cool with it tho, you know, women really aren't as visual as men are. They can look past your bad looks pretty easily if you have game
>Instagram
Doesn't work for me. Always get an introductory conversation but from then on I get ghosted. Irl everyone would rather chat up my friends.
No. No offense, but this is a shallow opinion that only looks at the surface, and is itself lacking of depth or complexity. The world goes far, far deeper than this obsession with physical attractiveness. Life can shit on anyone. Cancer comes to anyone, death comes to anyone.
Franz Liszt > any three chord strumming "im deep becoz muh feefees" buttface
I get ghosted plenty of times too, it's part of the game
Know how to pick your girls, and your words. Really hot girls have short attention spans and a constant stream of dicks going through their phone, you must always have engaging conversations or you will just get outclassed
Go for the lower-tier girls for a while, learn how to seduce them effectively, then apply it to hotter women.
There's always something you could have done better with every girl you chat up, think hard about what that is and do your best to improve.
Socializing is a skill, you get better at it with practice, putting yourself out of your comfort zone regularly will also do wonders for your personal growth, which will reflect on your ability to attract women
unattractive people are probably more likely to experience rejection and social hardships which leads to isolation. if this person is inclined to music they would probably spend more time honing their skills than an attractive person with an equal amount of talent might. the unattractive person will also be able to channel these feelings into that music.
however I think personality is far more important than looks when it comes to art. you can generally judge pretty easily by someone's personality if any artistic merit resides within.
Thanks for the advice. Good talk user
It was a pleasure user, keep your chin up.
I was an awkward, anti-social kid once, if i improved, so can you. Progress will come as long as you keep putting in the effort, i promise you
there are attractive short men you bigot
True, and that's why Elliott Smith was the most soulful lyricist ever. That poor dude was one ugly motherfucker
You don't have to be emotional to write emotional music. You have to be enough of a convincing and good craftsman = musician that you can efficiently code emotions into your music. Nobody cares about the truth, it's the image that is relevant.
What’s with the “Elliott Smith” was ugly circlejerk lately? He wasn’t handsome but he was not exceptionally bad-looking. Basically average.
t. retard without an argument and obvious incel
He was a solid 3/10
Kate Bush was beautiful and has a lot of great songs about happiness, the joy of being alive, familial and/or sexual love, some storytelling too.
I don't buy the whole thing about only dark shit being deep. My favorite song by Kate is about the will to survive and holding on to life as to not miss out on all the love and experience it has to offer. I don't think it's shallow or disingenuous at all.
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There are a few other Kate songs in the same vein as well.
>underlying predisposition toward anxiety/depression
By this do you mean the genetic and chemical factors that contribute to anxiety and depression?
I agree with you though. Unhappiness comes from expectations. And everyone has expectations, regardless of where you are in life.
wow good argument.. maybe you're reading a few too many mentally unstable, anxiety ridden incel posts? incels need philosophy.
I'm so out of the social loop, that I didnt even know you could chat on Instagram.
Men are so obsessed with the physical and sex sex sex jesus fucking christ is there no other way than getting laid to validate your self worth or what? Do yourself some good and take pride in something you can actually control and stop punishing yourself for shit that you can't. Stop only comparing your hardships to people in a better place than you and compare them to everyone in the world. Get some fucking perspective.
Also SEX ISN'T LOVE YOU AREN'T LOVED JUST BECAUSE YOU GET SOME PUSSY.
BLEACHED
most male musicians that are successful are very attractive, the only ones that create "emotionally deep" music are the soi'd indie fags
not sure if that user is gay, trans or female
>t. INCELS
I'm sure you have it so much harder than Syd Barrett, who was extremely good looking, but deeply mentally ill, and wound up living in his sister's basement, just gardening because schizophrenia only gets worse. And I'm sure you had it so much worse than Paul Westerberg, who was good-looking but deeply depressed, alcoholic, and broke/borderline homeless. But he was good-looking, so he got laid more than you, and that's what counts, right you stupid faggots?! And I'm sure you make way better music than Pink Floyd or The Replacements ever did.
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