Metal God or hack fraud?

Ozzy Osborne

Distinctions Not Cost-Effective [1980s]: I have no interest in his albums, but I appreciate how he mooned the PMRC every chance he got. And his egg-frying scene in Penelope Spheeris's "The Decline of Western Civilization" is a classic.

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Where you been, man? All hipster critics didn't like him back in the day. It was all like oh no the 80s was a dark age where the only light was a couple of alternative bands and you had to be anti-Reagan, anti-apartheid, or be some junkie from Soho to be approved.

'Cause these guys really only treated music as a fashion or political accessory.

he had no idea it was a real bat and the controversy was based off an inside joke between his friends

>I have no interest in his albums
>puts him in the Distinctions Not Cost-Effective list which means there's a few good songs somewhere in there but it's not worth it to try and find them

He clearly said "albums", retard, meaning Ozzy had no good albums but there may be a song or three somewhere in his catalog he liked.

so?

>Distinctions Not Cost-Effective
he also has AC/DC in that. who is this wanker? opinion discarded.

The "few good songs" for AC/DC is probably the Let There Be Rock title track.

And Krokus I figured out in seconds was probably Eat The Rich.

yet he has "the donnas" as a band look out for in the 90s. yeah a bunch of chicks singing shit ramones rehash. what a faggot.

The only and true Metal God is Rob Halford you idiot

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The Donnas Turn 21 [Lookout, 2001]
skank hos get fucked ("Midnite Snack," "Police Blitz") *

Midnite Snack is an ok song but it's totally a blatant attempt at 70s punk "revivalism".

I was a teen in the early 00s and I sure never heard of the Donnas.

They weren't for teenagers, only adult hipsters who wanted to LARP as 70s punks.

it was the start of the current trend of "put girls in it" as a form of creativity. they were ok looking so there's that.

Man, I hate revivalism bands like that. Music should always be moving forward and reflecting the present, not 30 years ago.

I wonder when guys like Cuckgau will ever realize that punk just isn't interesting to listen to musically.

I mean, I agree Ozzy was pretty weak as a solo artist and propped up by his bands.

They aren't interested in music, only politics and having a cool enough fashion sense.

I was 12/13 and they were on MTV2 / Kerrang all the time in bongland

Brits always did go for the punk thing a lot more than Americans. The 77 punk movement was a major if short lived cultural movement in Britain. Here it just didn't matter except to hipsters and American kids were too busy listening to KISS and Ted Nugent.

I can't name a single "The Donnas" song but they're based in my book for this
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I miss rocker chicks being a thing, modern females are lame

>I mean, I agree Ozzy was pretty weak as a solo artist and propped up by his bands.
He never was a solo artist, it always was a band....just a band called "Ozzy Osbourne" because bitch Sharon made sure her bread had all the butter.

yeah a shitty coverband, but wow guys girls can play guitar too!!

tbf ozzy had all the money and fame already. it's a hard road making money from rocknroll, so getting a gig would've been pretty awesome for the people in his band.

I don't particularly rate him, but his voice worked well with Sabbath and he defined what a metal frontman should be.

Eh whatever bro, I like girls in jeans playing guitars more than I like whatever bullshit is going on these days....mutant CHUD society shit like Billy Eilashes and pretentious indie pop plants.

>I miss rocker chicks being a thing
There's still Paramore and Chvrches. :^)

Ozzy's solo career has always just been him backed by a group of young musicians playing whatever the fuck the current trend in heavy rock is at the moment.

Paramore haven't been rock since 2009.

It's the same thing as what happened with Van Halen - some fans just refuse, even to this day, to accept Sammy.

Dio era Sabbath was great, Mob Rules and Heaven and Hell are some of my all time favorites, but they can never touch the first four Sabbath albums. That's just fact. It's the right 4 people, playing the right music, at the right time.

LOL. Dude. Ozzy was in a fog for most of the 70's and 80's, and a solid chunk of the 90's. Any business relating to Ozzy is 100% Sharon, always was, always will be. Ozzy even admits that. He does what she tells him to.

It can't be worse than the RHCP fans who are really John Frusciante fans.

The only thing about the Donnas worth paying attention to was their drummer, Torry.

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I could believe it.

Why does anyone care what so-called "critics" think? Just listen to what you want, yeesh.

It still goes through him though, he ultimately has to say "yeah I'm cool with that", he's not nearly as dumb as people think he is. He knew he was fucking over people he worked with, and trust me that's the only reason he married Sharon...her music industry finesse and experience, you really think a rock star who was known to be wild and party would marry her? Sharon looks better in 2019 than she did back in the day, I'd say Ozzy was more feminine looking than she was. Ozzy might have been a drug addict and a loon, but he was not dumb and he always knew how to chase dollar signs. And I love Ozzy so I'm not even trying to diss him but it is what it is.

Jew owned anglo slave, his wife is a kike.

>Sharon looks better in 2019 than she did back in the day

jesus

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>British genes

Black Sabbath went from untouchable pioneers of the entire genre to being hacks who got eaten and digested by the groups they themselves influenced

just listen to fucking Seventh Star with its hair metal power ballads and think that it was released under the same goddamn name as the band that made Black Sabbath, Sabotage, Master of Reality, Volume 4.

.And Dio in Sabbath was always Dio on a leash, he could only be himself creatively as a solo artist. I do really like The Devil You Know, but I think Mob Rules and Heaven And Hell do not remotely live up to the original 6 Sabbath albums.

Great vocalist, part of one of the world's greatest and most important bands, but also did do some shady shit with contracts in his solo project.

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Sabbath in the 70's were not viewed as the gods they are today, they were among the niche hardcore metalhead crowd, but overall they were not that revered, and even looked down upon just like most bands in the 70's labelled hard rock/metal

oh yeah, I checked out long ago, so I guess i'm with you. often i'm just picking up crumbs from forums nowadays, usually old shit I never explored before.

He's a legend and a god. A shady asshole who has done a lot of bad shit but nobody could deny his place in music history. Sabbath easily belongs in any top 5 list for most important bands in rock music.

yeah man I love the dio stuff (musically). but I do love ozzy being a bit nuts as well. he's actually a pretty crap musician, but he's just like watching trash tv sometimes you can't stop watching. there is also a lot of garbage like johnny blade from the ozzy era which i guess was for the charts or something... so we all tend to forget about those songs.

>but overall they were not that revered, and even looked down upon just like most bands in the 70's labelled hard rock/metal
And some sad aging clowns in Greenwich Village are still butthurt about them almost 50 years later.

don't be a dumbarse, they headlined with van halen, nugent and other huge acts. they sold out arenas. they were big man.

Albums 2-4 posted in the top 20 on the Billboard and MOR went to #8 so they weren't exactly an obscure or unknown band in the US.

For comparisons critical darlings the Ramones never posted higher than #44 on the Billboard although they did somewhat better in the UK.

They weren't obscure, but they weren't cool....ICP charted a lot, still considered white trash music for adolescent males by the critical elitists, that's how metal music was viewed back then and really always has been except for guys like Sabbath who've sort of forced their way into acceptance decades later.

>caring what some idiot at Rolling Stone Magazine thinks
Shiggidy...

Or during their early 70s heyday they toured with Grand Funk Railroad, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Alice Cooper. I don't think with Zeppelin because Zeppelin were so monolithic by 1971 that that they didn't even have opening acts.

>Sabbath were unprepared for the reception their debut album would receive in the rock press. "The coverage was near-universally negative. I was floored. I couldn't understand what we did wrong." recalled guitarist Tony Iommi. After the album started climbing up the charts, the band made a conscious decision to ignore critics and the music press, a policy they've adhered to ever since.

"cool"
go back to fappen ze bratwurst to einsturdzende neubauten or something. the adults are talking here.

Was it a shocker when the critics were all flower power hippies who had John Lennon's ballsack in their mouth and thought this new music was scary and disturbing?

What makes you think I care? I'm simply stating how things were...to say Sabbath went from being gods to hacks doesn't make sense, they were never held in such high esteem back in the day by the general public, and there were probably just as many people who liked the Dio stuff as liked the Ozzy stuff

Sabbath weren't unknowns but they also weren't regarded with the respect they are now overall, all I'm saying. Just to give you an example on how they were viewed, I talked to my friend's dad who was really cool and was a rock guy at the time but was more into Led Zeppelin and more hippie stuff, he said Sabbath were kind of viewed as like "caveman music" for "weirdos"

Unless you're just talking about your personal opinion of the music, in which case I give a stiff middle finger to you because the Dio albums have great stuff and honestly Heaven and Hell is my favorite Sabbath album overall.

Nobody could touch Zeppelin back then, they were in another league of superstardom altogether. As user said, they didn't even have opening acts. Pretty the Rolling Stones were the only other band that could command that big of an audience.

>he said Sabbath were kind of viewed as like "caveman music" for "weirdos"
so basically what metal is now?

My dad said at his high school, the big things were the Stones, Zeppelin, solo Beatles, Jethro Tull, Grand Funk Railroad, and Alice Cooper. He didn't actually know any Sabbath fans.

You have to applaud them for their integrity and never selling out--after Iron Man/Paranoid was an unexpected hit, they made sure to never release anything that could be that commercial again.

Nobody could touch Zeppelin back then, they were in another league of superstardom altogether. As user said, they didn't even have opening acts. Pretty much the Rolling Stones were the only other band that could command that big of an audience.

It's what hard rock and heavy metal has always been viewed as, it's never changed. The only thing that changes is a band critics like cites a metal band as an influence and suddenly that changed their minds, and then the lemming fans change their minds too. Now it's cool to like Sabbath, because now Sabbath is presented as "legends" rather than how they used to be presented as

KISS only got into the rock n roll hall of fame (not that I care or that it matters, once again just stating facts) because RATM Tom Morello convinced them because he was such a fan, and they apparently like him

Thing is, even in the 70s they were somewhat niche and most "normie" rock fans listened to Zeppelin, Stones, Grand Funk, and other more accessible bands.

Liken it to in the 80s when hair metal had a way bigger "normie" following than Metallica or Slayer.

Changes had potential to be a hit, many of their songs did.
Why is writing songs that people might like a bad thing? I wouldn't consider it a lack of integrity because people like your songs, nor do i consider writing songs that no one likes a sign of integrity
They sold millions of records, where do you draw the line? Might as well just listen to static.

ok i get what you're saying. i guess i really am into bone head music like sabbath and acdc. even led zep is a bit too much sophistication for me, I only like some off physical graffiti.

Yeah well there are multiple levels here to, what critics liked, what fans liked....critics were always uber snobs, fans less so but still snobby toward some things. Sabbath and KISS were definitely two bands it wasn't cool to like, not only within the realm of snooty critics, but with other rock fans themselves, it kind of made you an outsider from all accounts I've heard

KISS were a huge pop culture presence in the late 70s, they were far from a niche AOR band like Sabbath.

>he thinks Zeppelin isn't boneheaded as fuck

HEY, HEY, MOMMA SAID

And yes, my dad said even the Rolling Stones had a lot of haters back then, huge as they were. They said they sounded like a bar band and they couldn't play and that it was about money and celebrity for them not the music.

>Yeah well there are multiple levels here to, what critics liked, what fans liked....critics were always uber snobs
Yeah yeah you couldn't just sing about whatever you thought was cool, you had to be woke and have a political message critics agreed with.

It's funny how these same woke critics had no apparent problem with the dual dose of racism and misogyny in Brown Sugar.

they were GOAT and Ozzy was a perfectionist when he was performing.

There's a video of him playing Crazy Train with Rhoads and his voice breaks at a part and you can see the look of frustration on his face when he does.

He actually gave a shit about his performance, even if he was a mad cunt.

Also Sabbaths 2970 gig in france is legendary and fucking heavy as fuck.

They were a unit and were shit without eachother. Dio sabbath was ok but lacklustre compared to early sabbath

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Ozzy always seems kind of maudlin in interviews. Like he said it was very sad to lose Bowie and Lemmy, both good friends of his, in such a short time and it reminds him of his own mortality.

My dad had a leather jacket with BLACK SABBATH written on the back in a crucifix shape in metal studs that his mother made for him.

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only 60% bonehead, not bonehead enough!

He must have had the coolest mom on the planet, because people's parents in the early 70s did not accept rock at all unless it was Bread or select McCartney tunes. That was the generation who thought Dinah Shore was the summit of musical achievement.

>KISS were a huge pop culture presence in the late 70s, they were far from a niche AOR band like Sabbath.
Key word, late 70's
When KISS first came out they were considered a very edgy band and also similarly to Sabbath, labelled bone headed music for misfit teen boys and nothing more

They became a huge phenomenon near the tail end of the decade, but that didn't help anything but their pocket books because the fact that they suddenly had a far younger and more diverse audience and tons of pop culture fame than they used to only turned off the hard rockers and metalheads who were their original and core fans, which proved a huge problem for them as they fell into irrelevancy and failure for a few years....taking the makeup off and adopting more of a generic heavy metal sound in the early 80's gave them a second wind and let their career keep going among the Motley Crues and whatnot. At the end of the day, pop culture fame is short and fleeting, it's better to have a strong core fanbase than to become a pop culture punchline. KISS somehow survived the latter and kept the former, but it was pretty grim for KISS in the late 70's/early 80's no matter what they did before they took the makeup off.

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And he said Pink Floyd were super niche and only a few eccentrics listened to them until suddenly (by the time he was in college) Dark Side blew them up to the biggest band on the planet.

If you look at the charts, Sabbath were fairly big in the US in the 70s but a lot bigger in the UK. The first seven albums all made the top 10 on the UK charts and Paranoid/Iron Man charted a lot higher as a single there than here where the two songs barely got radio play.

As history shows though, popularity doesn't always equal coolness or social acceptability...metal, and pure metal, not hard rock or cock rock or whatever else that was big in America, was bigger in the UK....but it still seemed to be viewed as like a scumbag thing

Today is the same thing, lots of music has a giant following, but if that following isn't considered hip or cool by the media, it doesn't count

>they were GOAT and Ozzy was a perfectionist when he was performing.
>There's a video of him playing Crazy Train with Rhoads and his voice breaks at a part and you can see the look of frustration on his face when he does.
Ozzy has been known to have people sing his parts off stage
>They were a unit and were shit without eachother. Dio sabbath was ok but lacklustre compared to early sabbath
Disagree, it's a matter of preference and style cause both Dio Sabbath and "solo" Ozzy were totally different kinds of metal to the original Sabbath....but if you like those styles, it's all top tier stuff in my opinion

FIRE IN THE SKY, CAN'T YOU SEE THAT ALL MY CASTLES ARE BURNING

Looks like my Grandma if her hair was grey . . .ozzy had a thing for gifs?

He had a thing for born into the music industry broads who had the snake like business mindset and connections to keep him rolling in the dough

Dehumanizer > any Ozzy-era album

Wouldn't say that myself but it is a badass album for sure

Judas Priest really left Americans scratching their heads during those early tours in the late 70s.

Seventh Star is their best album together with Headless Cross though.

70s Black Sabbath is a fucking jazz fusion band as much as a metal band.

Total hack and conman who made his name off the backs off of far superior musicians. Seriously read about how many people he has fucked over and not given credit for, its ridiculous

Jewish*

Never Say Die is underrated and it sold pretty well in the UK during the punk era. Too bad none of the band members other than Bill Ward like it.

>Metal God or hack fraud?
Why not both?

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Ozzy was totally fucked from drugs plus his dad died so you can understand why he wouldn't like the album. They opened for Van Halen and didn't look too good, they looked washed up and drugged out and Van Halen generally blew them off the stage.

Never been a huge Ozzy fan but I feel kind of sad knowing hes doing his last tour, I'm sure hes already undergone the first stages of dementia.

Gene and Ozzy are almost polar opposites...Ozzy was talented as a singer but overrated because of his antics and off wild personality and casual belief that he was responsible for the music he sang, Gene is talented as a musician but underrated because of his antics and pseudo intellectual off stage personality that makes casuals believe he never did anything but stick out his tongue and sell dolls

>I feel kind of sad knowing hes doing his last tour
He's been doing his last tour since 1992.

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