It’s bad because most people found out about it via a YouTube recommendation

why do jazzfags hate jazz that actually conveys emotion instead of sounding like something that came out of a random note generator?

which album are you talking about user because Scenery doesn't convey anything except mediocrity

Has it ever occured to you that jazz that you consider wankery, I consider emotional.

I get same enjoyment from Pharao Sanders doing his best -dying cat- impression that you get from this boring pianist.

fpbp

I don’t think most people would even say Scenery is bad. It’s just not good either.

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Albums I like = emotional
Albums I don’t like = emotionless wank

it sounds good

this lol

No. It sounds bad. Now what?

it sounds good

Or maybe it’s just Scenery that’s emotionless wank.

maybe you just have no emotions feel offended by emotional music

Sure, inventing baseless defenses for your shitty album must be really fun.

if you quantify music by objective measures I can already see how you would hate emotional music

Emotional music not including Scenery?

This is the real answer. Nobody would give a single shit about this very mediocre album if he wasn’t Japanese.

not the same user, but what's there to like about scenery? one of the most boring and plain jazz records I've ever heard. It's not emotional at all.
It's got cool album art I guess?

I like it because it’s emotional. It’s emotional because I like it.

PS - everything you like is emotionless wank because I don’t like it.

It's a jazz piano album that's somehow not completely gay. Mystery solved.

BRAINLET CRINGE TIER
>critiquing music based on analysis, description, and comparisons with similar music

BIG BRAINED TIER
>all music I like is emotional. all music I dislike is emotionless. anyone who disagrees is obviously wrong and emotionless themselves

>MK ULTRACHAD ASCENDED TIER
>any music I don’t like is gay. anyone who disagrees is gay.

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My friend bought Scenery on vinyl for $30. He thought Ryo Fukui wrote Autumn Leaves. Anybody want to guess what the four other jazz albums he owns are?

Does he have anything by Vince Guaraldi?

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A Love Supreme, Kind of Blue, Bitches Brew and Black Saint?

Close. Just swap Giant Steps for Kind of Blue.

elitism is necessary on Yea Forums because of many newfag tourists that are fantano or scaruffi drones
besides this album is shit, if you think otherwise you clearly are an entry level faggot when it comes to jazz

Good on him for owning 4 great albums.

Too bad he lacks the knowledge to actually get them though.

B-but that’s not aesthetic...

But all Japanese albums have that

Doesn't require any knowledge mate, just ears. If you listen, and enjoy, you are getting it.

MKUltra Chad read a particular pdf and it turned him into a schizophrenic with a Christ complex.

But it does. Without the knowledge you won't be able to perceive what makes those albums great, and you will just hear "pleasant sounds", like when a baby listens to a Mozart compilation. Surely you might both "enjoy" it, but you aren't really getting it.

fpbp

m9 I have been listening to jazz non-stop for many many years and I have heard more albums than most musicians I know.

If you want to be a pretentious asshole and pretend that you are above me with your high intellect then please, but do know that I find it laughable more than anything else.

i mean it was what got me into jazz but looking back theres so many better albums and most of what's on it is kinda meh

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genre tourists on suicide watch

>it was what got me into jazz
Imagine admitting this

t. listened to the top 50 jazz albums on RYM
>do know that I find it laughable more than anything else.
literally seething

Imagine not admitting that at one point you were 14 and a retard. What got you into jazz? Kind of fucking Blue?

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name your most favourite album and explain why you think it's good

Not him but the patrician jazz starter album
youtube.com/watch?v=XgTd-oaUqsA

Reminds me of raiding the library for CD's by the tens with the jazz homies.

i am a famous jazz musician and what i can say about that album is that Early summer is a great song, the rest is boring

Not weebshit. This is on the tier of "getting into jazz" through Cowboy Bebop

it doesn't matter how you got into jazz. Imagine thinking music is a competetion like this retard right here.

Prove yourself in school ,or in sports or by having a rich social life. Not by being an elitist asshole about music. Nobody gives a shit.

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you've heard every japanese album out there? eat shit faggot

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I've found lots of hreat jazz albums through youtube recommendations.
it's bad because it's boring and unimaginative elevator jazz.
"jazzfags" don't like it because when you actually have a reference point and are actually listening to the music you can hear how incredibly unoriginal and bland it is. but people who are just looking for a jazz version of "chill classical music for studying to" love it because they're just use it as ambience and have never heard good jazz
absolutely btfo

Actually it's bad because it's a mediocre facsimile of Bill Evans with some hard bop cliches thrown in.
The people who laud it are bad because Youtube recommended them an album with a cool cover aesthetic and they put it on a pedestal because they haven't heard much jazz.

this is the mature approach to music and art, unlike the childish mathematic approach that most people have here

i actually had someone rec this to me on mu years ago before it became youtubecore. the only reason anyone here hates it now is because it's popular. it's not even his best album, i like the one with the seagull in it. been years since I listened to fukui though and i can't remember the title.

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the people like his friend They are the ones who won't be able to actually get jazz, because they lack the knowledge to do so.

You are still wrong.

Listening to music is not an activity that requires any thinking. You play an album and get a sensory response, or you don't. That's it.

There's good playing and there's bad playing, of course, but at the end of the day you listen to what you enjoy. If you're one of those assholes that play Fausts debut every day waiting for it to "click" then I don't know what to tell you except you're not doing it right.

stop gatekeeping you dumb cunt
every great musician in history started out life pig-ignorant. they were just lucky not to have some asshole in their life like you telling them everything they did was entry-level.

What people really hate is that youtube recommendations core is the fault of faggots from Yea Forums / last.fm / RYM and the fact that it got as big as it has is a more honest representation of the average internet music neckbeard than the one of them being retiring and elitist. You people can't keep your mouths shut, if you had any resilience at all you wouldn't be coming here for years on end talking meaningless shit. You can't expect someone like that to keep anything to themselves
If music isn't a competition then why are you here. Just admit it

I'm a student at university and I have too much free time during summer. That's why I'm here.
Just wasting time like everyone else.

When uni starts in the fall I won't visit this place anymore and I could care less if user thinks my taste is good or not. It's not something I'm gonna think about very often.

You still need to have a background in jazz to appreciate jazz. You don't get that from listening to just four jazz albums.

Gatekeeping is good, idiot. Gatekeeping is what allowed Miles Davis to become famous, for example.

wrong- i could put on some mingus to a pleb and they could appreciate it as much as I can without discussing the intricacies and all that minutia

They would "appreciate" it, but they wouldn't get it. A baby can enjoy Mozart too, but he wouldn't get it.

Please tell me why understanding WHY something sounds good is a meaningful requirement for anything related to just listening. It seems like you've really got things switched up in your head. The "this sounds good!" is the start. It's the important part. It's what everything you learn and study is trying to achieve.

you were the one who used the word appreciate. "getting it" as in understanding the theory behind the music is completely different than appreciating it.

Yea Forums is somehow more vapid and picky about their hobby than Yea Forums

youtube.com/watch?v=M4sEcIHG0Yc

Different user but for example
Because people assume Simple doesn't mean not complicated or good. The Beatles threads I see plagued with this. If you play a instrument or know theory, The Beatles are 1960's Modal Pop Gods but if you don't know anything you might just think Nothing, without realising the depth, innovations, and stylistic changes.

>You still need to have a background in jazz to appreciate jazz.

Says who?

Appreciating jazz is putting on a jazz record and getting enjoyment out of it. If you disagree then I'd really like to hear what your definition of the word "appreciate" is because it's the same asmine.

there's nothing to get, you like it or you don't.

If you play records you don't like in order to adhere to some arbitrary standards then I really do feel sorry for you because you are seriously wasting your time.

Literally the only good post in this thread. I bet jazz elitists love to shit on Bill Evans too. It has to be free jazz for the elitists to love it and even the elitists secretly hate free jazz.

Babies confirmed for having better taste in music than Yea Forums because they like Mozart.

It's pretty fine but Bill Evans is better for this kind of thing imo
t. jazzfag

It’s bad because it doesn’t stack up to the best the genre has to offer. At least listen to some other fucking jazz before raving about this album like a 15 year old who just discovered he likes something that isn’t rock/hip-hop.

the cowboy bebop soundtrack is pretty fine though

>>Listening to music is not an activity that requires any thinking.
What ?

Most people can do this retard

People lambast liking Yea Forumscore albums as genre tourism but Yea Forumscore albums are all great on their own merits and were critically acclaimed long before a taiwanese basket weaving bulletin board canonized them. It's YouTube rec core like this that's true genre tourism

it doesn't require thinking. you can still choose to think about music and the theory behind it but you don't have to (thank fucking god)

Shut the fuck up you elitist moron. Post your top 10 albums and see who has the shittiest taste.

finally a correct response

Let's say I listened to every cool jazz/hard pop/free jazz album, at least the major ones. Maybe I just really want more jazz in my life. Why does a work of art have to reinvent the wheel for you people to enjoy it? 90% of music is in 4/4 time and utilizes conventions that have already been done to death, does that mean I should only listen to really obscure shit like a hipster? Shut up and enjoy the music. If you don't enjoy the album, it's not because of your IQ, so don't think you know better.

If you listened to every cool jazz/hard pop/free jazz album, I don’t see why you’d find this nipjazz impressive in any way.

Your argument is based on whether or not I think this album is "impressive" not whether or not I find enjoyment from listening to it.

So you aren’t impressed by things you enjoy listening to?

Same thing.

jazz is terrible music so what's the point of listening to it if it's also normie as shit?

Holy shit they actually can't imagine appreciation apart from being impressed. Jesus Christ, are you real?

I can enjoy a pop song and realize that it's just a pop song. I realize that the song may not be amazing or even great, and yet I enjoy it. I realize that the song may not be groundbreaking in any way shape or form, and that it may even be bland and cliche. And yet it can still be enjoyable.

Good post. Is Yea Forums redeemable?

So how exactly would this not apply to something someone appreciates? Do me a favour and use your brain before making the decision to reply again.

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I swear you people are retarded on purpose

It doesn’t have to be groundbreaking to be impressive and there’s nothing wrong with pop music at all when it’s done right.

Bruh that's not even an argument, that's the typical Yea Forums shit of doing mental gymnastics to try to further the argument. That CAN apply to something you enjoy but clearly doesn't apply EVERY SINGLE TIME holy shit

>doesn’t actually have a rebuttal
>heh I’ll just call them retarded
Consider suicide.

why are you even still arguing with this idiot? i've been on Yea Forums since 2008 bro. you won't change anyone's mind. these people are stuck in their ways

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I can’t imagine enjoying something that didn’t leave at least some sort of an impression. I still can’t figure out what part of this is so hard for you idiots to understand.

Knowing how something theoretically sounds the way it does isn’t what “getting” music is.

it's crap liked for image purposes by weeaboos who think they're "not like the other weebs"

>i've been on Yea Forums since 2008 bro.

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If you really want to use that definition, then it's obvious...I don't admire or respect a lot of music or musicians who I like. Do you admire and respect everything you like? It's kinda self-evident why what you're saying doesn't make sense, just think of literally any time you appreciate a piece of music and don't admire or repect it. Also usually I'd associate being "impressed" with something with it being exceptional in some other way, like being boundary-pushing or extremely good.

Yea Forums - Semantics

No it doesn’t need to be exceptional or boundary pushing, and no I can’t relate to appreciating a piece of music without admiring or respecting it. That makes no fucking sense, I don’t like shit that I also think is bad.

Leaving an impression is literally not the same as being impressive. Is equitable and equating the same definition just because they have the same prefix?

I'm tryna talk about music, man

>I don’t like shit that I also think is bad
you've never ONCE in your life enjoyed a shitty movie or a shitty song? Really?

>Leaving an impression is literally not the same as being impressive. Is equitable and equating the same definition just because they have the same prefix?
Sorry, you’re right because it could be a negative impression that’s left. Anything leaving a positive impression certainly should be considered impressive.

>I don’t like shit that I also think is bad.
I don't either, but I don't admire or respect everything that is good.
That's just you thinking it's good and not wanting to admit it.

If I like it I don’t think it’s shitty. Perhaps there have been a few exceptions but not really any time lately.

>That's just you thinking it's good and not wanting to admit it
I realize that some of the things I enjoy are garbage though. It may be "good" to me but I know that it might not be good in the grand scheme of things.

>elitists
Ah, there it is. The term thrown around by immature crybabies when someone says they don't like what you like.
>OMFG, DID YOU HEAR XXXXXXX YET!?!?!?!
I don't really care for XXXXXXX
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING ELITIST!

Grow up, not everyone likes what you like.

Except elitism is a very real thing in the jazz circle.

Quality doesn't exist outside of how you feel about it.

If you read the OP, they weren't complaining about people not liking it, but the reason.

Oy vey, you can objectively look at art (yes, art may be enjoyed subjectively but you can still study it objectively) and see that YES this song is complete and utter shit yet I enjoy it anyway. It's not a much more difficult concept than that.

>120 posts in and still not one person has tried to explain what makes Scenery as good or better than any random Bill Evans or McCoy Tyner trio album you’d care to name.

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elitism is a real thing everywhere
but it's one of those words that actually mean something but people throw it around for no reason

it makes me feel good and reminds me of my comfy anime school scene

I'm not implying that either.

I really just think you hate cool jazz. If you don't like this, then you wouldn't like Bill Evans anyway. Sometimes I do want ambient-esque piano in the background. The musician is competent, the songs sound gorgeous, and it brings me peace.
But again, this thread isn't necessarily about that. It's about the fact Yea Forumsfags are gatekeepers especially when it comes to jazz music.
Look at the post I'm replying to. This person isn't interested in actual musical discussion, they just wanna boast that they were right. I'll just use the term "gatekeeping" because that's literally what jazzfags do.

You can objectively look at art, but it won't tell you shit about how good it is. At best, you can see that it aligns with norms of what are typically received well. Any supposedly objective measure of art that is actually trying to be objective just prioritizes the normie pleb ear and the "best" music appeals to it the best. That's what all study of music being locked into a cultural domain means. It's how the average person in the domain you're looking at responds to it. I assure you, the Greeks want nothing to do with your jazz. More often, though, "objectively" looking at something just means downplaying your own feelings because you don't have the fucking spine to assert "this is good!" Instead you hide behind guilty pleasures or whatever other self-hating bullshit to avoid having to take a strong stance of your own, instead throwing it up and listening to what people smarter than you say.

>because you don't have the fucking spine to assert "this is good!" Instead you hide behind guilty pleasures or whatever other self-hating bullshit to avoid having to take a strong stance of your own, instead throwing it up and listening to what people smarter than you say.
I really don't wanna use the "projecting" word here because everybody and their grandma says that now, but lol. Do you need a hug or something, big guy?

i like the art tho

There are literally housewives out there hoovering to this shit, they are the ones who don't give a fuck about elitists not you arguing with teenagers on the internet

then do it

asking here because there is a lot of people
how do I get into Artie Shaw style jazz? I play the clarinet

The Japs can't play jazz. It's an OK album, not world class and not worthy of the praise and popularity it's been getting.

Maybe a bit harsh but on the right track.

Because it contains very high energy, clean and skilful renditions of some classic jazz songs. If you can’t distinguish that the timbre, timing and arrangement of these pieces are probably some of their best ever then you do not listen to enough jazz music. Unbelievably cringe post and extraordinarily cringe responses to it. Now someone tell me why this reasoning is invalid.

you can't

Did you reply to the wrong person?

Worst elitists? Ehh, idk.

I think metalhead elitists are the most close-minded and delusional. Even a jazz purist can admire hip hop music. Metal head elitists will listen to Anthrax w/ Public Enemy play one song and then claim that they "like all kinds of music". They are fuckin insane people.

And when it comes to jazz elitists, you have to understand these are the types of people who buy expensive pieces of art, just so they have something to talk about when they invite people over to their tiny overpriced apartment once a year. These people are too rare to be mentioned.

this is such an AVERAGE piano jazz record
it's literally the album cover that sells it
let's be honest guys

I can't roll my eyes harder at your gay post.

Why don't you go jerk off at a Bernie Sanders rally, while the grownups talk music.