ANTI-"CRITIC ROCK" THREAD

christgau, fantano and many other critics do like it tho

ELO doesn’t sound good to me and most of those bands do so I’ll keep doing my thing

The modern ones do, I recommend listening to other No Wave, the nastier the better.

And fuck the McGarrigle Sisters.

>Cuckgau seriously thinks I'm going to not listen to Paranoid ever again because he wrote in CG to the '70s that he "made the case for the McGarrigle Sisters and against Black Sabbath."

You've been brainwashed, I really feel sad about shit.

amen and checked
We are like the 300 Spartans, we'll destroy these Rock and Soul killers.

Fuck critics and fuck OP.

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what the fuck is a McGarrigle Sister? I've never even heard of that.

That's critics projecting their constant love "underground" yet hyped artists that most are forgotten in a year or two.

cringe but redpilled

fuck off back to /pol/ OP

Canadian folk sister duo from the 70s. Cuckgau was a huge partisan of them but they really suck and after listening to their albums I can't understand how they could fit into his usual R&B=good, white folk=bad tastes.

They wrote a song for Linda Ronstadt that became a hit which led to their being signed by Warner, but after three albums that never achieved more than a tiny following among critics and a few hipsters, the label dropped them for lack of sales.

I can't think of many music acts that were really championed by critics in the 70s-80s that achieved more than a niche following except Bruce Springsteen.

what did he mean by this?

>ELO doesn’t sound good to me
You either haven't listened to Time or you're a zoomer

The McGarrigle Sisters seemed to me like an upmarket, folk-flavored version of Heart for hipsters who were too snobby to like Heart.

Or he has different taste than you.

Neil Young
Talking Heads
The Clash
Elvis Costello
Pretenders
Peter Gabriel

which still means he's a zoomie no taste sheep. ELO is objectively better than The Velvet Underground from a clear white academic standpoint which you Critic worshipers will never get and so y'all opinion is not valid.

do you want to explain what's objectively better about it or what

Note the review for the second album where he admits "Lyl guitar music is dum anyway." Having listened to the first two, I will attest that the first was tolerable if amazingly boring. The second was painful and a real slog to get through.

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>Neil Young
just like Bowie, critics like him for being a "songwriter" but he actually has chops and is an artist (check out Dead Man Score), he was talked about when he was all about politics and writing shit like "Southern Man" rather than "Rocking In The Freeworld". I'll give you that.

>Talking Heads
>Peter Gabriel
one/two-hit wonders in the normie world and Gabriel era Genesis records (which are superior to his solo) are shitted as the stuff Punk fought against. When Gabriel went all Modern Art on people, that's when became "Critic Rock"

>Pretenders
nobody remembers them besides big fans of 80's music.

>Elvis Costello
I stand with David Lee Roth on this one and not big.

>The Clash
Good band but they wouldn't succeed without the politics.

Christgau (sort of begrudgingly) liked Led Zeppelin. Are they "critic rock"?

>(which are superior to his solo)
Pleb.

To put it simply, the musicianship is more thought out and extravagant. Lots of symphonic elements put, band Pop is mixed and spiced Progressive features and Melodies follow a basic structure of build up-melody hook which it gives a bigger sense of progression than TVU loop like Rock for Junkies.

Most importantly, they could play their instruments

None of those artists have niche followings though, which is what we're talking about.

he didn't and no

they are and if you disagree you are tasteless sugarcoated zoomie who should back off to the nearest Danny Brown album.

MJ, Prince, U2 and REM were crtically acclaimed during the 80's.

>Neil Young
Can play guitar like a boss and come up with some amazing vocal melodies.
>Talking Heads
>Peter Gabriel
Like user said, TH had one big pop hit just like the Police and yes, critics didn't like early 70s Genesis at all, at least not American ones and the PG they like is the PG of songs like "Biko."
>Pretenders
I think they're mostly know because of Rush Limbaugh.
>Elvis Costello
I don't even know any songs of his offhand.
>The Clash
Had one pop hit normies know them for.

fuck christgau, kill yr idols

The 300 spartans fucking lost you fucking retard.

None of that is even close to being objective
>dude it has orchestral arrangements so it's objectively better
No, you just like it more.

besides prince, all overrated and still can't play their instruments they same way John or Wayne.

He thought Zeppelin were funny and kind of a joke band.

>pleb rage

we'll lose but we'll leave a mark against sheep like you unromantic pleb.

U2 and REM aren't overrated if you limit their output to the pre-1993 stuff.

> he didn’t

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see

you can only respond with a sent or a word. You lost, you're brainwashed but think highly of yourself. You're too much of an uneducated pleb and a pussy to just back or admit you said something stupid so you'll keep projecting unfactual nonsense. But to make your little brain understand this better here... cope buddy.

>one guy scared to give a bad mark
LZ were always hated by critics and music publications until Zeppelin didn't get a massive following, after which the critics jumped on like the hype sucking sheep they are.

you're using a lot of words but all you're really saying with them is "i'm mad."

I agree, still, plenty of metal acts of the time had only one big pop hit like You've Got Another Thing Coming (and that only made 62 on the Billboard), Jump, or You Shook Me All Night Long.

boy oh boy

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So which is it? Are they hipsters or sheeps mate

>xgau liked zeppelin
>"nuh uh"
>well here's the scores proving he liked them
>"durrrrrrrrr that doesn't matter"

I'm not mad, I'm sad that people are getting brainwashed and feel like they have the right to talk when they ain't got it.

>the guy saying there is only one correct way of thinking and that people must agree with him about everything
>sad that people are getting brainwashed

ok he did, so what? It was he liked jokingly which is not the same as putting them top on the lists and acknowledging their mastery. Even then, Deep Purple was always superior.

As I said, he kind of thought they were tongue-in-cheek and humorous. I suspect that was the big difference with Zeppelin and Sabbath for him, Sabbath were depressive and angry and he's never liked that vibe.

there are truths, there are opinions. You are wrong.

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Cuckgau only reviewed a couple of Purple's 45 or something albums. He seems to think there's a few gems in that huge catalog next to a lot of dreck.

that's the same thing.

all of their albums are gems. Especially Purple 69.

Two albums and a Greatest Hits, I checked.

Gee, even Sabbath got three album reviews along with WSOSFRAR. Though the review of The Very Best of Deep Purple was definitely more positive than the one for We Sold Our Souls.

Prove it then.

Purple were never that big in the US, they were always more of a European phenomenon. Americans by and large only know them for Smoke on The Water.

>not a single A
they have a shit taste.

what is it with that faggot and his obsession with Greatest Hits albums? everyone knows that only the biggest plebians listen to them. They're basically a sampler pack for the artist.

American Critics never promoted good foreign bands. They never promoted a band like PFM.

Some artists were capable of writing good songs but could never pull together a decent album.

amen

To be fair Christgau was reviewing Genesis in the early 70s when hardly anyone in the US knew about them.

Just about any 70s-80s European heavy rock act in interviews mentions DP as an influence but their US presence was pretty small.

But instead, he promoted shitty Folk-Rock

They are big in South America and Japan as well.

They're good for genres like pop which are based primarily on singles. Like why would you ever need a Katy Perry album?

...such as the McGarrigle Sisters?

Boomer dudes in their 40s and 50s who grew up with top 40 and buttrock and still use Yea Forums are telling us to abandon Yea Forumscore?
NO
FUCK YOU

SEEEEEEEEEETHE SEEEEEEEEETHE

>But instead he liked things I don't like >:(

How could someone defend these immoral beings who no self-respecting musician likes.

You can go and put on Dancer With Bruised Knees and tell me if there's any listenable music in there. Good luck. You're going to need it.

yes, he likes musically inferior music. You should always back the band and the listener, not the critic mate.

>said that Parquet Courts was the only white-guys-with-guitars band of the past decade he liked
But they suck.

I have listened to it already. It's alright, 6 or 7 /10 in my opinion.

About Christgau darlings the New York Dolls. They sound like a bad Stones cover band. Not terrible but they're just very...corny and have no moments of genuine power.

Kate & Anna McGarrigle is a C album by my book. DWBN is a D+/C- album.

dubs don't lie.

It's certainly listenable, but unremarkable. Joni Mitchell, Vashti Bunyan and Linda Perhacs were better female folk singers but you'll probably deride them as "critic music".

>musically inferior
In your opinion.

Quick question, how did Scaruffi get so big on Yea Forums what separates him from that Russian guy people were shilling a couple of days ago?

The Clash...they were loud but couldn't do anything but play three chord rock. Also their political themes are very dated.

Non-ironic question: what are some good white-guys-with-guitars bands from the last decade? I don't listen to a lot of recent music. One that I liked was Iceage.

objectively inferior.

Joni Mitchell is ok and maybe Christgau was even right with Heijira where he said she started to become less interesting as she became a wealthy rock tycoon.

Can studied under Stockhausen, and I refuse to listen to boomer kitsch like ECO just because of retarded culture wars going on in burgerstan.

>but couldn't do anything but play three chord rock
Are you deaf or stupid?

youtube.com/watch?v=KW5rMvHbFLU

That has yet to be proven.

projecting hard
>muh kitsch
using that word is a symbol of listening to Critic darlings. Seek help, listen to Radio Afrika and get better.

Just cause they have one good album and didn't suck as much as The Sex Pistols, doesn't make them Ennio Morricone mate.

youtube.com/watch?v=kyoW0tf6N-Q

I don't hear anything but basic chords in here, do you? And that's why punk never took off like critics hoped, it was too limiting musically.

>durr projection
Cool argument. The Clash were only a punk band for one album.

That word is far older than your retarded culture wars you disgusting mutt but I repeat myself.

God Save The Queen was still punchier and more in your face than anything the Clash did.

christgau likes skynyrd for some reason, which is like the epitome of "redneck" beer guzzling "toxic masculine" rock he normally hates

Once again, The Clash were only a punk band for one album (the one that song is from).
youtu.be/bJ9r8LMU9bQ

Oh, yeah that. He said they were a satirical deconstruction of macho redneck rock or something so they were ok.

(and then many years later when they endorsed Bush he was very sad and comforted himself by saying Ronnie Van Zandt wouldn't have done that if he were still around)

Talking Heads had numerous hits in the late 70s/80s you moron. They weren't exactly obscure.

That song was their token appearance on the pop charts ala Every Breath You Take and Burning Down The House.

Name 5 of these so-called hits

Their French record was okay, though. Mainly because they didn't sing in English for once.

>Had one pop hit normies know them for
Which one? London Calling? Rock the Casbah? Should I stay or Should I Go?

I mean, don't get me wrong. I love a lot of classic Motown and 70s funk but I'd rather listen to Hollywood Swinging ten times in a row than this folk hipster bullshit.

Psycho Killer was not a hit btw
Nobody knows that song and it only charted at #92

I wish people would stop using "hipster" as a synonym for "person/thing I don't like".

None of those were Billboard Top 20 hits except Rock the Casbah so no normies would ever know the others

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_Heads_discography#Singles

They cracked the Top 40 three times, the last as late as 1986.

Take Me to the River
Burning Down the House
Once in a Lifetime
Wild Life
And She Was

Also huge MTV play which could make songs hits that weren't even in the Top 40 desu

Normies know Should I Stay or Should I Go.

Poor Heart. Too girly for the guys, not enough sex appeal either, too buttrocky for critics.

False

None of these were actual hits except for Burning

>MTV
Totally irrevelant. Nobody watched it. If it wasn't on the Billboard Top 20 at least, it wasn't a real hit. No normies ever heard music that charted at #53.

>They wrote a song for Linda Ronstadt that became a hit which led to their being signed by Warner, but after three albums that never achieved more than a tiny following among critics and a few hipsters, the label dropped them for lack of sales.
Warner in the 70s was like the best label in the world. They could do no wrong back then. You could pick a Warner act in just about any genre of music and knew it was going to be good.

Fuck the Grateful Dead

It's in tons of commercials. I know normies, more of them know it than they do Rock the Casbah.

>pleb rage part 2

This guy has his pseud boomer schtick nailed down even to the melodramatic ellipses, lol.

revisionist history
today's normies have a false sense of the 80s from nostalgia driven media

Christgau wrote an obit for Kate McGarrigle when she died in 2010 and it was one of the most incomprehensible things I ever read. I couldn't figure out a thing except one of them had a gay son and they were one-time hippies.

dumb faggot. nirvana was liked by the critics. scaruffi even gave nevermind an 8 but dropped teh score later because he's a faggot

If classic rock stations play it to death it's a retroactive hit for normies. Get your head out of your ass.

It's not a punk song, now is it?
Tell me how many punk tracks you find on Sandinista.

So? They know the song.

Hits on rock stations =/= mainstream pop hits

normies know the song, just move on.

The premise for this thread is so arbitrary and pointless it’s almost funny. You can tell it was made because the guy who made the Doors thread earlier got mad that people were saying that TVU were better.

Reminder that Christgau is a faggot and Thurston Moore made him his bitch

cope

>And sure, I'd prefer tempos that deviated more than five degrees from dead ahead and tasty licks that didn't whisper monosodium glutamate
Say what?

seethe

>SY fan almost sets him on fire so he gets scared and gives them As for the rest of eternity
Anyone wonder if Black Sabbath should have done this instead of being so pure and just not caring what critics think?

He wishes they had more tempo shifts and sounded a bit less wooden and the guitar licks were a bit cheesier than he prefers.

Sabbath and Grand Funk both made it a point that they just ignored critics completely.

>don't mindlessly like things that critics tell you to like!
>mindlessly like the things i tell you to like!

cope

Anything you should use your own judgement on and realize that most professional critics are soi hipsters so it's usually very easy to figure out ahead of time what artists they'll like and not like.

have sex

Lou Reed also fought back.

dilate

Wait you said critics prefer lyrics over music but you added in CAN to the avoid list?

>Sex Pistols
Are they really critical darling. It seems like in a modern critical lens there really more known fro there influence than there actual music

I don’t care what critics think about anything. but I also like several of the bands listed.
what do?

But their music is simple.

You are a faggot if you will abstain from listening to these bands after reading OP's post. Who fucking cares if a critic likes a band that you also like? I'd easily dismiss this as bait if it weren't for all the other anons agreeing with this insane opinion.
In short, listen what you want to and you can stop listening to these bands forever, but you will forever be a massive, angry, butt-fucking faggot
I give your post a strong 0 to a light 1

Critics love bands who have the balls they do not have.

You didn't take OP seriously, did you? Jesus.

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ok this is simply... epic

It's gonna get better kid don't worry. We'll win the custody battle and have a good ol' BBQ. I got us the tickets to the upcoming Kiss show. I know you love them, me and your mother did *burp. I invited all our cousins, batshit crazy Bill, cowboy Marlboro, and Johnny. I decided not to call your friend Tyrone though, cause he's a bad influence on you ya know? He always comes here calls me a nigger and plays this weird rap music but ya know me kid, I like that ol' time Rock N' Roll. Come sit on my lap kid, we're waiting for you sister to come out the showers *brap.

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Rolling Stone gave 4 stars to Kurt Cobain's fart noises