So I decided to listen to this and I didn't really think it was all that great...

So I decided to listen to this and I didn't really think it was all that great. Almost the entire first half sounds like filler to me, especially when you compare it to songs like Destination Moon. Does anyone have reasons why this album seems to be so revered in their discography?

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I'm in the same boat as you, this and Apollo18 dont do it for me.
Meanwhile, The Else should be consensus top-tier

meet james endsor is a 10/10 song

There are better TMBG albums

Why would you ever listen to this shit when you could instead listen to their first 4 albums, which are unquestionably some of the greatest pop-rock music ever created?

Exactly what I'm saying

Most of them are, this is bloated and amounts to only a handful of good tracks which isnt great for a double lp

It grew on me pretty fast, but I think it's a bit inconsistent from track to track. Dirt Bike, Subliminal, Self Called Nowhere, James Endsor, End of the Tour, and No One Knows My Plan are all top-tier TMBG though. The rest range from eh to pretty great.

I think the stylistic shift that's inherent with their shift to a full band took people by surprise. Not sure why if that's why it's revered though. I prefer The Else, Nanobots, and Join Us over it if we're talking about post-Apollo albums.

Glad to see more TMBG threads on Yea Forums though. Love these guys.

It's a grower.

John Henry [Elektra, 1994]
"I Should Be Allowed to Think"; "Meet James Ensor" *choice cuts*

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There was a weird 90s fad of having album covers with lolis, eg. that Jellyfish album and Blind Melon.

i would never have sex with the girls on the covers of blind melon and spilt milk but i would fuck the shit out of the john henry girl

All three of these had redheads too. Whether that means anything or not I can't say.

What does this even mean? Why are lots of his 90s reviews so incomprehensible?

It means the album is mostly crap but there's one or two good songs on it, which he's listed.

>i would never have sex with the girls on the covers of blind melon and spilt milk
Especially if you see what that Blind Melon girl grew into. Fucking disgusting, man.

it means the two songs he singled out are good but he thinks the rest of the album is bad
i don't like adult women very much to begin with so i'm sure i'd find her gross, whatever she looks like

the else and lincoln are their best albums
glean is up there

Can't say I agree, but I accept those as top tier picks

Like a lot of 80s underground acts (Sonic Youth, Butthole Surfers, etc) their jump to MTV and a major label in the 90s produced some questionable results.

without mtv and butthole surfers this masterpiece of a music video would never have been created
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Record labels were rushing to sign any alternative act they could back then, including many of the 80s forefathers of the grunge movement although these guys lost a lot of their context and their musical innovations weren't so fresh anymore now that everyone was doing them.

I thought it was a classical album.

You should probably start with this

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Here comes science was the best of the 3, but Why? is their best children's album with No! close behind

The children on the cover and inside of JH were "our friends' kids and some professional models we hired" according to John Flansberg. I don't think the girl has been IDed and we don't know what she looks like now.

S Tier: Apollo 18, Flood
A Tier: Join Us, John Henry, Lincoln
B Tier: The Else, Pink, I Like Fun, The Spine
C Tier: Factory Showroom, My Murdered Remains

where's the debut

That's Pink. Colloquially called The Pink Album

debut is definitely better than join us