Idles is so fucking cringe. Punk rock is dead

Cringe. Disliking Idles doesn't make you pro-government ya pinhead.

One of these cunts is a trained dentist

Fuck, I hate dentists

>could not play their instruments
arguably that's all in the spirit of punk though. Also a couple of them went to music college so its not even accurate

I will absolutely not listen to a record that references harry potter.

based

>bands who capitalise on working-class rage criticising other bands for doing the exact same thing
I actually like both of those bands, but neither are truly "genuine" in a way that differentiates them from Idles, so they don't really have much of a leg to stand on. I do think FWF have the most interesting take however, if you watch interviews with them its pretty clear they see their music as an interrogation of the way rock music upholds
certain despicable and vile characters as admirable or legendary (like Mark E. Smith, for example). Also their live sets are FANTASTIC, I cannot stress that enough.

imagine being so daft that you think being pro-government is the only thing that makes somebody a bootlicker. and you also probably are pro-government anyway.

fucking hysterical if true

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the fact that a year after this has been released so many faggots make "Idles is soi" threads makes you think that they might be on to something.
At least they are polarizing which is kind of what punk is about.

This.
I don't agree with all of the band's views, but it's hilarious watching how triggered the alt-right neckbeard brigade get just from seeing this cover art.

Yeah I agree, there's something in their joyous and celebratory approach to punk music, which (love it or hate it) is kind of immune to criticism. How can you shit on a punk band for not knowing how to play their instruments? How can you shit on a punk band for making political/provocative statements? Even if I don't agree with some of their politics I respect them for pushing a more hopeful angle in punk music, you really don't see that very often.

>arguably that's all in the spirit of punk though

To certain degree. There's a big fucking difference in being the The Raincoats and making interesting and well crafted songs capable of pushing the aesthetics of a movement forward while still being limited at your instruments, and then, there's not knowing what the fuck you are doing and being derivative and incompetent which is what Idles are.
The main difference is that someone like the Raincoats might ''not have known'' how to play conventionally because they were: A) Not >80 IQ hacks; B) Had a clear and boundary pushing vision in a musical sense.

I will never shit on the Ramones for not 'knowing how to play'' (this is big lie btw) but I will always shit on hack bands for not knowing how to play.

>Also a couple of them went to music college so its not even accurate
LOL. I almost hold that against them! If you knew the amount of garbage that is molded and prepackaged there you would see how going to 'music school' has absolutely no correlation with writing a decent song if you don't have a wider understanding of the underlying aesthetics and emotional compartments of music. Something which you cannot acquire at babbys music school.

>because they were: A) Not >80 IQ hacks
So they were

>There's a big fucking difference in being the The Raincoats and making interesting and well crafted songs
I actually saw them play live a few years ago. Was a p good gig but not only do they still not know how to play their instruments, but they even had a song which was basically just a repeated refrain of "if you ask me why I'm a feminist". Almost every song they played that wasn't from their s/t sucked ass. So this idea that they had a "boundary pushing vision" is something of a rose-tinted revision that only exists because of Kurt Cobain, they really aren't as great as you're making them out to be, nor are they as detached from SJW politics as you'd like them to be.

>you would see how going to 'music school' has absolutely no correlation with writing a decent song if you don't have a wider understanding of the underlying aesthetics and emotional compartments of music
Depends on how you define "decent". music college doesn't actually teach you how to write a good song, its never made that claim (unless you actually studied a degree like songwriting). What it does do is give you a far bigger vocabulary or toolbox to play around with. Can't break the rules if you don't actually know the rules, etc..

Also, what would you consider to be a "decent" song? Because the phrase "babby's music school" sounds like someone seething in ressentiment that they weren't good enough to attend.

Way to miss the point. Listen to the cannon of records in loud rock and then come back to me in a few years. Once you you have discovered pre 2015 second wave indie landfill music, backed by the NME and constructed in soulless towns like Bristol and Brighton reeking of WKD and freshers you will understand that musically speaking, Idles are not a good representative of the genres they are LARPing.

You can criticise the lyrics for being pure adolescent shit with no artistic merit whatsoever and the frontman for being an utter self-righteous bell-end. Musically I actually quite like them funnily enough

The superior one

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You talking about Idles or FWF? Because I actually think the former have some pretty clever lyrics, politics notwithstanding. Mother and Great are really well-written, no matter how much you might hate the subject matter.

I'm sure that a Raincoats show now will not be as good as a show of theirs in the present day. After all, rock is a young man/woman's game.

I don't particularly think that the hype surrounding their first LP stems entirely from Kurt Cobain either. I'm not disagreeing that a lot of the bands which he namedrops benefited from that attention but we have to keep in mind that, by the time name dropped those acts, a lot of them were already considered cult classics that had stood the test of time. I still stand that the self titled Raincoats LP is 100% more aesthetically relevant to its time than anything IDLES will ever do in relative terms. I only used them as an example.

>Also, what would you consider to be a "decent" song?
There's such a high degree of subjectivity of course, but simultaneously, a good song is still bound to certain objective parameters, just as any 'good' piece from any medium. We can be quite arbitrary and say, I don't know - A good song has to be aesthetically poignant to its wider world in which it exists; has to stand the test of time; has to be transcendental from the performer to the listener, whatever it's really arbitrary yet some criteria needs to be used.

Moreover, I really don't care what political message the Raincoats have, am sure in many ways it's a lot more authentic than IDLES's and I respect that. I don't really give a shit about politics. Even then my main problem with IDLES was never its pseud ideology but rather their music which is a constantly unaware and ugly pastiche of music that I love.

By the I did not go to music school and never have, and never aspired to. I just love music.

>theirs in the present day
*in the past

You're cringe. I remember seeing idles and they were fucking great

>from far lefty radicals to spineless liberals
brutalism was aoty for most of the anons. Yea Forums loved it.
what went wrong bros?

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Joy as an act of resistance had pretty terrible lyrics. I don’t mind Great, but songs like “Never Fight a Man with a Perm” and “I’m Scum” are almost unlistenable to me. It’s a shame cause I like their sound and I liked Brutalism a lot...not sure what they were thinking when writing this record though.

You're cringe for liking IDLES.

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what made brutalism far left? i don't remember any lyrics that really suggested that.

this
honestly what happened to punk?

it was much more about the class struggle and societal alienation. and being really fucking angry about it.

You realise that Britain has had a Conservative government for most of the decade? Even IDLES' Guardian-tier politics are absolutely not government policy

Conservative =/= conservative

They're still not left-wing by any stretch, just pluto- and aristocratic shills

My brain always automatically thinks it says "onions" on the original cover

THIS SNOWFLAKE'S AN AVAAAAAAAAAALANCHE

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All these lines are fucking amazing except for the harry potter one.

#triggered

at least listen to like city killer or something that actually upholds the pretense if you're going to cling to this shit in 2019

seething cope

Zoomers will never get rock music; way to drench everything with politics and forget what makes a riff or a verse any good !!!!

rock music has always been drenched with politics

>drenched
no

Fair point, they still suck though.

interesting politics
ydlez promotes gma talking points and it's kind of extremely embarrassing actually

maybe white privilege is a thing, they're an all white band and they've gotten quite a lot of fame recently, just saying?

i totally want my country to become 60% muslim because some nu-punks dance around their venues

i'd rather blast jazeera nights and sunni pussy than listen to some lame bald white faggot sing folk punk songs about the virtues of doing this ngl cuh

Birmingham is only 20% and it's beyond the point of saving. It's a complete hellhole. Living here you'd think you're in some city in Pakistan.

Mate, that's just Birmingham, it's always been like that.

People seem to be distressed by this album. That's ok. I'll still befriend you :)

word, folk punk is fucking gay

lmao this

SHAME will bring back UK punk tbqh

Its true. And its on the chorus ffs

This

>60% muslim
This will literally never happen.

>A good song has to be aesthetically poignant to its wider world in which it exists; has to stand the test of time; has to be transcendental from the performer to the listener
so what you're actually saying is that you only care about features of the music that aren't actually part of "the music" at all? You claim the importance of a vague set of "certain objective parameters", but then simultaneously discredit any attempts at reproducing the very objectivity you're talking about (IE. through educational institutions). You can't have it both ways– if there is something "objective" in music that makes it good, it should be experimentally reproducible. Questions of how "poignant" a song is, or whether or not it is "transcendental" are too ineffable to gesture towards anything meaningful, let alon objective. They're buzzwords for critics who don't know how to accurately communicate what makes certain songs so wonderfully composed. And critics rarely make good music.

I'm not saying the music schools make talented songwriters, rather that it gives them an understanding of the technicality underlying a great song, to "reproduce" it by playing it note for note. What they do with that information is up to them, but the idea that certain musics are somehow more "raw" and "authentic" for being outside of the ivory tower of education is laughably untrue. Everything is just a repacking of the same, but you shouldn't take this as pessimism. Music has always had a history of systematic thievery, it's only because of the immediacy of current commercial trends that you're more aware of it.

As someone who lives in the UK I can assure you that the Conservative Party definitely isn't conservative.

what is it then

>SHAME will bring back UK punk tbqh
Unless they're anti-PC or anti-government they're not bringing Punk back. Punk isn't dangerous or rebellious anymore, its only goal is to sell products. It's dead.

they're globohomo neoliberal soros shills a REAL conservative government would dedicate every penny of taxpayer income into triggering the soibois and making britain an empire again \m/

The Tories are center-right and Labour are center-left and driftifting further left because they've just discovered identity politics. Nobody represents the working class anymore.

ITT: PEOPLE WHO HAVENT HEARD A SINGLE ACTUAL HARDCORE PUNK BAND FROM THE LAST 10 YEARS

IT'S A BUNCH OF TROLLS TROLLING POSERS

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF Yea Forums

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idles is not anti-establishment

Because we're not 12 and no one cares about whatever loud gay shit you get up in your mom's garage

>ITT: PEOPLE WHO HAVENT HEARD A SINGLE ACTUAL HARDCORE PUNK BAND FROM THE LAST 10 YEARS
Name one that isn't shilling gay leftist bullshit

punk from the last 10 years is less punk than soundcloud rap

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are you saying "real conservatives" would represent the working class? lmao

I never said that. I was referring to Labour.

>gay leftist bullshit
That's literally what punk is and has pretty much always been you tard.

>thread is just Yea Forums on autopilot
that's why I got bored of this board lmfao

then i dunno what point you are trying to make. i asked some guy what the tories are if not conservative.

imagine being this pleb and still thinking your opinion matters

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weak bait

imagine thinking a genre that has been long past it's sell-by date is still good, even after the whole shitshow that was "pop-punk". Time to grow up and learn how to play your instrument properly, because lazy, rudimentary songwriting and the "punk" aesthetic is just as commercialised as anything else, and your lack of talent won't cut it anymore.

imagine trying to discuss a genre you've never heard only to end up repeating the same old tired talking points that haven't been relevant since 1982

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>implying centre-right parties can't be conservative
Literally what

>the punks in the 70's wearing swastikas were leftists

>he thinks syd vicious and siouxsie sioux were epic maga fascists

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Based Sleaford Mods

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>Auto
>being useful idiots for the neo-liberal establishment is punk now
lmao

Haven't heard any British punk since sex pistols-core

Subhumans > Sex Pistols

>what is shock humor

>agreeing with some of the same things that the establishment agrees with makes you pro-establishment
Basically no establishment in the time/places punk rock has existed has been pro-fascist.

they were shitposters

hip-hop has replaced punk, you cannot refute this

>pop-punk hasn't been relevant since 1982
yes, and in 1950 music was born. But I don't really see how your anachronisms are anymore valuable than dumb youtube comments. When a genre has more subgenres than actually talented bands, that's the point where I tune out

Modern Punks can be simultaniously anti-establishment and anti-PC but they won't because they need to appease cunts on social media and sell merchandise.

I prefer stuff like Squid or Hotel Lux. Seem to have a real Pub-rock organic feel. Like if Squeeze was back today

perm is great, really noisy, clever and catchy lyrics
nedelko is a lot of fun
im scum and television have above average lyrics and music relative to the rest of the album
everything else on the album...isnt really bad. its just boring. i found out about these guys from their tinydesk and i expected all of their music to be as good as perm but perm is actually an outlier in how good it is

the united states is fascist
dsa tweens are fascists
ydl's is ramones for guys who own fixed gear bicycles
idals is pro-establishment and by extension pro-donald
yuge revelation, very cool

>IMPLYING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POP-PUNK
>REACHING LIKE A FUCKING GIRAFFE
11/10 GOOD POSTING user

>hardcore punk: a genre that is anti-commercial by design has been replaced by the single-most commercial genre of this decade
c'mon son get educated

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Colossus is the only good song on the album

underrated post

my punk band is pro-fascist

being smug is not an argument
hip-hop fulfills the same role punk used to and has supplanted it

>ALL CAPS POSTING
pls stop seething boomer

At least they aren't Fontaines DC.

Agreed. Garbage shit.

I love the shit out of this album, and will continue loving it to trigger Yea Forums

no one is upset by you liking lame music

based lyrics

>t.triggered cause i like idles
yep, gonna still do it

Love it because you like it

I made the white person face while reading this

>You Kids are in a Prison,one that you created and you maintain.One that you build onto year by year and yet never see. It maintains itself through the characters you represent, both the guards and the snitches,monitoring and judging every detail of your fellow inmates,telling tales and spreading gossip. i cannot be a part of that. No walls,no guard,no wire no yard,we are the perfect Prisoner.
>You have created a hierarchy of victimhood, desperately scrambling for status on a ladder of the imaginary oppressed, nice kids from nice homes still trying to fight against evil mummy and daddy, the people who gave you everything, and who you turned your backs on. You live vicariously through a compromised media,themselves terrified of uttering an inappropriate phrase or idea, furiously signalling their own virtues through self censorship and speech regulation.
>Your movies sell you the same stories, with an increasingly complex mixing of archetypes,until there are no real stories of any value left, and still you consume.
>The worst thing is that you see yourselves as rebels of some kind,anti system warriors against the vague “Patriarchy”. You ARE the system,you are the useful idiots that keep the cogs turning,you are the Prison guards, glued to your screens on the Worldwide Panopticon. You are the Beast i despise, and the whole reason i have spent my life seeking answers, immersing myself in the forbidden,the occult,the Taboo, the places where there are still clues to how we got here,and how we can get back out.
>You People set the dogs on me,you threw me under that bus without a moments hesitation,and that shows your true nature, the imaginary friends of the Internet,the curtain twitchers and tittle tattlers,the town hall gossips and Intenational knitting circle. You are not people i would want on my side in any kind of struggle.

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Checked.